Adventure Therapy Collective Podcast
By Daniel L Cavanaugh & Will Dobud
Adventure Therapy Collective PodcastNov 08, 2023
Episode 26 - Social Work Outside with Zoe Jack
Zoe Jack, LCSW-C is the Director of the Center for Nature Informed Therapy in Baltimore, Maryland. She is the author of the new book Social Work Outside: Evidence Based, Micro and Macro Perspectives. This year, Zoe has been on a "tour" travelling to social work conferences advocating for bringing nature into social work practice. We hope you enjoy the fun episode!
For those interested in painting there office like Zoe's, here you go: Laurel Tree Behr Paint
Episode 25 - Musing on Adventure Therapy with Gary Stauffer
Gary describes himself as "happily retired," so we knew it was time to rope him in for a fun discussion about his productive and meaningful career as both a social worker and leading contributor to adventure therapy knowledge. Gary is the co-author of many impactful adventure therapy articles and numerous books, including the recent Adventure Group Psychotherapy.
In this episode, the team discuss Gary's backyard conversations with Tony Alvarez, his writing, prevention, the experiential wave model, and his mindset: It never rains on adventure. We hope you enjoy!
Welcome to Season 2!
Episode 24 - Linking Up & Linking In with Maximiliano Prieto Monson
Before we begin, everyone should head to this link and get professionally connected with Max!
Max joins the podcast to share how his international experience in the United States, Scotland, and Spain - as well as many other adventures - informs his work with adolescents in the outdoors. The group talks about field siestas, Camino de Santiago routes, and running individualized expeditions. Max is a representative for Adventure Therapy Europe and brings experience from outdoor education, wilderness therapy in the United States, and residential care to his current practice. Together with Daniel and Will, Max discusses how every day with clients is an adventure.
Episode 23 - Scott Miller is an Adventure Therapist?
Today we talk with Dr Scott D Miller, the co-founder of the International Center for Clinical Excellence and a leading voice in understanding what works in therapy and how practitioners can get better at doing it. As a practicing psychologist, Scott often provides pro bono services to the financially underprivileged. In this podcast, we discuss Will's average outcomes, how psychotherapy lost its magic, and the role of deliberate practice in highly effective practitioners. Scott provides his views on psychotherapy evidence and why practice-based evidence will always trump evidence-based practice. We will provide links and announcements shortly for the free training in March with Scott Miller (and Will and Dan just kind of hanging out in the background).
Scott's Amazon Books Page
How Psychotherapy Lost Its Magick
International Center for Clinical Excellence
Scott's Keynote at the Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference
Saving Psychotherapy by Ben Caldwell
Daryl Chow's Doctoral Research
Information on the Gloria Films
K Anders Ericsson Wikpedia Page
Episode 22 - Chicago Voyagers with Bernie Rupe
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Welcome Bernie Rupe from Chicago Voyagers to the podcast. This is such a unique program working with youth in the greater Chicago Area. With over 25 years of experience working with at-risk teens, Bernie remains the guiding star of Chicago Voyagers and he joins Daniel and Will to discuss how Bernie has used research to seek funding and grow and evolve this innovative program.
Thanks for a great year everyone. We hope you have a happy and healthy new year.
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Episode 21 - Deconstructing Adventure Therapy with Tanya Ginwala
We have started a GoFundMe so you can all chip in and send us to the Himalayas where we can hang out and learn from Tanya. You'll understand why we must go watch Tanya in action after listening to this episode. Tanya Ginwala is a clinical psychologist and experiential educator from India, and the country's representative on the Adventure Therapy International Committee (ATIC). Tanya has trained in narrative therapy, somatic therapies, and buddhist psychology. Before starting her own practice, Qualia Mental Health, Tanya worked for the Adventures Beyond Barriers Foundation, an Indian non-profit that aims to use adventure sports to promote social inclusion for people with and without disabilities. There she managed daily operations of an organization with a footprint of over 5,000 individuals with and without disabilities during its founding years, from 2016-2019.
Tanya is a trailblazer for adventure therapy in India. She established an Adventure and Nature Based Therapy - India Study Group which has grown over the years and has included international presentations, workshops, and training opportunities. In her free time, Tanya enjoys spending time in the pine forests by her home in Dharamshala with her wonderful dog Ziggy, reading, napping in the sun and discovering new music.
Adventures Beyond Barriers
India's International Adventure Therapy Representative
Tanya's Psychology India Page
Episode 20 - Natural Good, Unnatural Bad with Dr Alan Levinovitz
To stir the pot, Will's mother sent him Alan's book, Natural: How Faith in Nature's Goodness Leads to Harmful Fads, Unjust Laws, and Flawed Science, last year. Alan's book examines the meaning of "natural" and argues that modern Western culture has divinized nature. That seemed like a worthy conversation to unpack. Alan is an associate professor of religion at James Madison University. His work focuses primarily on the relationship between religion, literature, and science, with particular attention to classical Chinese thought and comparative ethics. In this episode, we talk a lot about psychotherapy, religion, cults, pseudoscience, wellbeing, and ritual.
Episode 19 - Road Tripping with Denise Mitten
We caught up with an icon of our field Denise Mitten as she was driving with her daughter across the US to Will’s homeland of Washington DC! Denise is a widely experienced outdoor adventure guide, leading SCUBA and mountaineering trips in numerous countries. Denise started with the Girl Scouts in the 1960s and brought her passion for sharing the outdoors and adventure with people from all backgrounds, including women survivors of abuse, homeless populations, and maximum-security men’s prisons. Denise’s academic work spans ethics, justice, diversity, and equity in adventure therapy and outdoor education. Her writing speaks for itself and we encourage our listening to take a look at her amazing contributions to the literature.
Episode 18 - Adventure therapy on my phone?! Kikori App w/ Kendra Bostick and Brynn Lottig
Join us to talk to electronic social emotional entrepreneurs Kendra Bostick, LCSW, PhD candidate, and Bryn Lottig, M.S. They visited Will and Daniel to teach us why we should all immediately download Kikori, the app they have developed that is a digital encyclopedia of experiential activities. This episode goes far beyond adventure therapy because Kikori is a tool that is useful for social emotional learning, experiential education, outdoor education, and any form of experiential learning. Come learn about Kendra and Bryn and the award-winning app that they have developed that can help expand your bag of facilitation tools and techniques!
Episode 17 - Therapy Shouldn't Bore You with Russell Chamberlain
Russell Chamberlain, LCSW, CADCIII brings over 30 years of lived experience to this episode. Russell is a licensed clinical social worker and certified alcohol and drug counselor. He is also a board member of the Parker Bounds Johnson Foundation and a former chair of the Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group. In this episode, he shares his knowledge and experience in working experientially in the outdoors with a diverse range of populations. Russell's career working therapeutically outdoors began in the early 1980s, despite previous outdoor recreation experiences beginning in the previous decade. He has worked for Outward Bound, NOLS, and many other programs. Russell was born and raised in Kentucky, he is now based out of Portland, Oregon. Russell established LifeSTREAM Therapy LLC to deliver services for youth and families, and provide consultation for many adventure outdoor therapy organizations. His organization's mission focuses on how relationships can be central to adventure and outdoor therapy practice. Russell has been training in trauma informed therapy, attachment, collaborative problem solving, polyvagal theory, and equine assisted psychotherapy.
Episode 16 - Two Mad Scientists Research Adventure Therapy
All good research requires a good acronym. Welcome to the ATOM...the Adventure Therapy Outcome Monitoring study. In this episode, we invite you to join a community of practitioners to build more evidence and knowledge about adventure therapy practice and, hopefully, help each other get better at doing it. If you're interested in getting involved...and yes, you are the perfect person to get involved, flick us an email and we can get started!
“Feedback is the breakfast of champions.” –Ken Blanchard
Adventure Therapy and Routine Outcome Minitoring of Treament Article
Feedback Informed Treament: Explained in 5 Minutes
The First ATOM Training Video: Password is ATOM
Towards an evidence-informed adventure therapy: Implementing feedback-informed treatment in the field
Beyond measures and monitoring: Realizing the potential of feedback-informed treatment.
Feedback informed treatment: Evidence‐based practice meets social construction
Feedback-informed treatment (FIT): Improving the outcome of psychotherapy one person at a time
Episode 15 - Backcountry Cooking with Stephen Javorski
Like camping? Like food? The two join forces in today's podcast with backcountry food guru Stephen Javorski. Stephen brings over 20 years of experience working with youth and young adults to the ATC podcast. He currently teaches Child and Youth Care at Vancouver Island University. Stephen has worked in a range of settings including schools to challenge courses to multi-week canoe expeditions in Canada’s North. The nearly Doctor Javorski is wrapping up a PhD in Outdoor Experiential Education with a focus on Outdoor Behavioural Healthcare (OBH) with the team at the University of New Hampshire.
Will and Daniel have a big project coming up. It's been in development for nearly two years and we want adventure therapy enthusiasts from all backgrounds to join. One way we will contact people is through the ATC's member directory which you can join for free.
Episode 14 - The Adventure Therapy Non-Profit Prophet, Dr. Terry Williams
Did you know our guest, Dr. Terry Williams, has traveled over 15,000 miles by bicycle, 8,000 miles running cross-country, and has earned the ear of U.S. presidents, politicians, and community leaders? The foundation she founded has helped numerous non-profit's build sustainable adventure-based practices across the United States. Terry joins Daniel and Will to discuss her passion for leadership, thoughts on collaborations and important milestones across her amazing journey. If you want to start a non-profit or adventure therapy business, don't miss this episode!
Join us in wishing Terry and the Children Are Our Future Foundation a wondrous birthday!
Children Are Our Future Foundation
Whitney Houston - Greatest Love of All
Life Adventures Counseling & Life Adventures for All Consulting
New Adventures Counseling
Information about the 9IATC
9th International Adventure Therapy Conference Website
Co-Adventuring for Change w/ Will & Stephan
Co-Adventure for Change w/ Will & Stephan (Webinars Only)
Adventure Therapy & Complex Trauma w/ Graham & Will
Episode 13 - Risk Management in the Outdoors: Environmental Exposures and Toileting with Margaret Kelso
Happy new year everyone...wait it's already February?! We hope you enjoy the podcast - full of belly laughs - with our great friend Margaret Kelso.
Margaret began in wilderness therapy in 2011 as a field guide at a program in southeast Alaska. After receiving her W-EMT in 2013, she continued her wilderness therapy journey holding roles in the medical, case management, program management, and beyond. She has particularly loved the work of developing judgment and decision-making skills with field staff and working with programs to increase mitigation of risk to allow for the primary focus of therapy to thrive as a freelance risk management assessor/auditor. She now holds the title of Director of Operations within one of the leading wilderness therapy programs in the country and while Will and Daniel have many more letters behind their names, Margaret makes up for it in exclamation points with the enthusiasm and energy she brings to each facet of her life including being a mother to her two fantastically wild and curious children with whom she now has the opportunity to continue her love of guiding in a whole new context.
There is so much more to discuss with Margaret, such as the best-thrown party in Alaskan history and Will's competitive dodge ball streak, against 10-year-olds.
Episode 12 – Private Practice and Resilient Communities with Doug Moczynski
“Therapy was a dirty word” for Doug until an external evaluation of his wilderness therapy program found he was delivering a service that was, in fact, therapeutic. Doug joins Will and Daniel to discuss his private practice, Gippsland Adventure Therapy, and how extensive engagement in his community has helped the practice thrive in such a short period of time.
Gippsland Adventure Therapy
Adventure Works (Australia)
Graham Pringle’s Training
Australian Association for Bush Adventure Therapy
Blue Knot Foundation Guidelines for Treatment of Complex Trauma
Episode 11 - Indigenous Adventure Therapy Surf Cops with Mark Cartner
Senior Constable Mark Cartner is a police officer of more than 20 years. Most of that experience was dedicated as a child abuse detective of a major investigations unit before transitioning to school-based policing. Upon doing so, Mark put in the grassroots efforts to develop a highly recognized adventure therapy program for disengaged, traumatized youth. Daniel and Will talk with Mark about connection to country, how trauma impacts the brain, the metaphors he brings to his adventure therapy work from his many years as a detective, the importance of collaboration, and his Walk of Life program’s recent trip to an Indigenous dance festival in Cape York. Throughout the episode, Mark breaks many stereotypes about safe and effective policing, making many inferences on how adventure therapy practitioners can base their practice on the best available evidence. Mark is current the co-deputy chair of the Australian Association for Bush Adventure Therapy.
Interview on ABC Radio about Mark’s work
Police Blog about Mark’s Trip to Cape York
Meet Aunty Judy Atkinson
Recognition of the Walk of Life Program
Videos of the Walk of Life Program
Mark’s Drone Skills
Episode 10 - Evidence-Informed Adventure Therapy
What if we told you adventure therapy, despite being more experiential or maybe outdoors, has more in common with every other therapy than you think? Join Daniel and Will for an overview of research, the best available evidence, and the debunking of some common myths around psychotherapy research. Make sure to let us know on social media what you think! What challenged you? What seems common sense and not that revolutionary? Let's engage!
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Episode 9 - Adventure Therapy Training and Education with Dr Maurie Lung
In today's episode, Daniel sits down with adventure therapy field expert, Dr Maurie Lung. Dr. Lung wears many hats; educator, clinician, supervisor, consultant, mom, author, and program developer. She is the founder and CEO of Life Adventures Counseling, a community organization that provides adventure-based mental health therapy and consulting. Dr. Lung is also Associate Faculty at Prescott College teaching graduate courses in mental health counseling and overseeing the Adventure-based Psychotherapy and Nature-based psychotherapy programs. Dr. Lung recently co-authored Adventure Group Psychotherapy: An Experiential Approach to Treatment.
Daniel was recently at the Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group's Best Practices (TAPG) conference in Park City, Utah. Daniel and Will spoke in the entry way of the conference hall to record the intro to this episode. If you still aren't involved with TAPG, follow the link and connect with this brilliant group of practitioners!
Social Sciences WeekSocial Sciences Week is a grassroots movement occurring annually in Australia. Will and Daniel are providing free presentation on the work from Daniel's PhD. There is a series of great adventure therapy related workshops to attend! We would love to see you there! Register here!
For Social Sciences Week, Will and Professor Nevin Harper's Outdoor Therapies book is available for 30% off and with free shipping. Use the code ADC21 at checkout from the Routledge website here!
Episode 8 - Adventure Therapy Training with Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek
This week's episode is a conversation with adventure therapy training experts Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek. Kim and Nick are the co-owners and founders of www.adventure-therapist.com which is an organization that offers online and in-person adventure therapy training, consultation, and supervision. In addition to their work at adventure-therapist.com, Sacksteder and Magle-Haberek both work as clinicians and administration in adventure therapy programs. They have also both been involved in the leadership council of the Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group. In this episode, we discuss mentorship, training, certification, group juggle, and of course; the importance of the rubber chicken in adventure therapy work. Settle down next to the campfire and join us while we learn from Kim and Nick.
Episode 7 - Terapia Aventura with Alexander Rose
Today's guest is psychologist Alexander Rose. Alexander is a trailblazer for adventure therapy in Spain, recently publishing the first adventure therapy book to be written in Spanish! The book is titled: Terapia a través de la aventura: Cuando la montaña nos hizo grandes. He is one of two representatives for Spain in the Adventure Therapy Europe network. Along with Will and Dan, Alexander shares his passion for adventure therapy and how he implements Gestalt and Experiential therapies into his work. This episode shows how cultural context truly informs adventure therapy from all around the world!
Episode 6 - On Research and Group Work with Dr Lee Gillis
Dr Lee Gillis, co-author of Adventure Therapy: Theory, Research, and Practice (2nd Ed.; 2020) and whose research has contributed to the foundation of outdoor, wilderness, and adventure therapy research, joined Daniel and Will for an awesome discussion. Take a listen to hear about the promise of future adventure therapy research, Lee's experience with adventure-based group work, and more!
Huge thanks to Adventure Therapist LLC for sponsoring this episode! Check them out at https://www.adventure-therapist.com/
Episode 5 - Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group with Tuesdey Spangler (LICSW)
This episode is an interview with Tuesdey Spangler who is the chair of the Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group (TAPG). Tuesdey is a clinical social worker with many years of experience using adventure therapy techniques. She has worked at Camp Mary Orton in Columbus, in private practice, and in other settings. Tuesdey came on the ATC podcast to tell us about TAPG, the TAPG preconference at AEE, and her experiences working in adventure therapy. If you don't know about TAPG, you definitely want to check this episode out to learn about one of the most important groups in adventure therapy in the U.S.
Episode 4 - Collegiate Adventure Therapy with Jessa Lytle and Kallie England
In this episode, Daniel sits with Jessa Lytle and Kallie England from the University of Michigan's Adventure Leadership/Social Work program to discuss university education in adventure therapy techniques. Together they explore their use of high and low ropes course initiatives, how to conduct adventure-based field supervision for social work students, and their unique model for training practitioners to work in the outdoors. This episode offers a glimpse of one of the few graduate-level adventure therapy training programs in the United States.
Episode 3 - Tony Alvarez (Part 2)
In this episode, Daniel and Will begin by discussing Tony's new co-authored book, Adventure Group Psychotherapy (available in the link below) and Will's experience being interviewed by Dr Will White on the Stories From The Field podcast. What follows is an additional 30 more minutes of Daniel and Tony where they talk about professional pathways into adventure therapy and Tony's experience in working with young people with Autism.
Episode 2 - Tony Alvarez (Part 1)
This two part episode is with adventure therapy field guru, Tony Alvarez, LMSW. Tony is an educator, therapist, mentor, consultant, and expert in adventure therapy. Tony has been practicing in this field longer than many practitioners have been alive. We we're lucky to sit down with him in his kitchen on a cold winter afternoon to pick his brain and absorb his wisdom.
This episode comes from our archives, it was recorded a year and a half ago when this podcast was still in its early brainstorming stage.
After the episode, check out the links below and pre-order the new book on Group Psychotherapy that Tony and his colleagues have just finished.
Use the links below to learn more about Tony's work and his books:
Tony's page at the University of Michigan
Alvarez Consulting, LLC
Tony Alvarez's 2017 AEE Kurt Hahn Address
Power of One: Using Adventure and Experiential Activities Within One on One Counseling Sessions
Power of Family: An Experiential Approach to Family Treatment
Adventure Group Psychotherapy: An Experiential Approach to Treatment
Episode 1 - Nevin J Harper, PhD
Today's interview is with Associate Professor Nevin Harper from the School of Child and Youth Care at the University of Victoria. Nevin shares his journey to the adventure and outdoor therapies, which includes loads of adventure travel and years of experience working in residential care.
The Outdoor Therapies Book
Nature-Based Therapy Book