
Archives & Things
By Melissa J. Nelson

Archives & ThingsNov 02, 2022

19 | BONUS: Elaine Young & Cody Groat, CCUNESCO
Summary:
It's the last episode of the year. In this bonus episode, I welcome Elaine Young, Program Officer, Communication and Information at the Canadian Commission for UNESCO (CCUNESCO) and Cody Groat, Chair of the Canada Advisory Committee of CCUNESCO. Elaine and Cody join us to speak about the Canada Memory of the World Register.
Episode Resources:
Canada Memory of the World Register. https://en.ccunesco.ca/our-priorities/memory-of-the-world
Cody Groat. (May 24, 2023). Guardians of our Knowledge. CCUNESCO. https://en.ccunesco.ca/idealab/guardians-of-our-knowledge-memory-of-the-world
Dorothy Berry. (2023). The Dorothy Berry Collection of What Are Black Archives, 2023. https://syllabusproject.org/what-are-black-archives/
Sheryl Assam. (September 22, 2023). Quilting exhibition celebrates Nova Scotia’s Black communities. Broadview. https://broadview.org/secret-codes-quilts-nova-scotia/
Alison Duke & Ngardy Conteh. (2018). Archiving Winston LaRose. CBC. https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/archiving-winston-larose
Sean Smith. (July 12, 2023). Collective Healing in our Black Archives. InsideOPS. https://drive.google.com/file/d/17ajJfo5jFsS1eXtquzWFMlIsn8iuNX4j/view?usp=sharing
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18 | Désirée Rochat, COHDS
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Désirée Rochat, a Black memory worker and postdoctoral fellow with the Centre for Oral History and Digital Storytelling (COHDS) and the Department of History at Concordia University. Désirée joins us to speak about her initiatives to preserve and promote Black community archives in Quebec.
Episode Resources:
Désirée Rochat. (2022). Cultivating Black diasporic memories and communities through community archiving. In Cindy Maguire and Ann Holt (eds.), Arts and Culture in Global Development Practice. Routledge. https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003148203-8/cultivating-black-diasporic-memories-communities-community-archiving-d%C3%A9sir%C3%A9e-rochat
Jeannette Allis Bastian. (2003). Owning Memory: How a Caribbean Community Lost Its Archives and Found Its History. Libraries Unlimited.https://www.amazon.ca/Owning-Memory-Caribbean-Community-Archives/dp/031332008X
Kimberly Christen & Jane Anderson. (2019). Toward slow archives. Archival Science, 19(2). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10502-019-09307-x
Zakiya Collier and Tonia Sutherland. (2021). Black Archival Practice. The Black Scholar. https://www.theblackscholar.org/call-for-papers/black-archival-practice/
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17 | Nana aba Duncan, Carleton University
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Nana aba Duncan, Associate Professor and Carty Chair in Journalism, Diversity and Inclusion Studies at Carleton University. Nana aba joins us to speak about her plans to launch the Mary Ann Shadd Cary Centre for Journalism and Belonging.
Episode Resources:
Mary Ann Shadd Cary Centre for Journalism and Belonging. https://view.genial.ly/61e58f69c08f6f0ceda67f2a
Diversity Survey. The Canadian Association of Journalists. https://caj.ca/programs/diversity-survey/
Sam Winn. (April 24, 2017). The Hubris of Neutrality in Archives. https://medium.com/on-archivy/the-hubris-of-neutrality-in-archives-8df6b523fe9f
Elvia Arroyo-Ramírez, Jasmine Jones, Shannon O'Neill, Holly A. Smith. (2021). An Introduction to Radical Empathy in Archival Practice. In Elvia Arroyo-Ramírez, Jasmine Jones, Shannon O’Neill, and Holly Smith (eds.), Radical Empathy in Archival Practice. Special issue, Journal of Critical Library and Information Studies 3, no. 2. https://journals.litwinbooks.com/index.php/jclis/article/view/171
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16 | Dr. Funké Aladejebi, University of Toronto
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Dr. Funké Aladejebi, Assistant Professor in the Department of History at the University of Toronto. Funké joins us to speak about her work conducting oral histories with Black women educators.
Episode Resources:
Dr. Funké Aladejebi (November 4, 2020). Seeing Themselves: Race, Education and Black Life in Canada. McMaster Humanities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdTUFIRaIDw
Dr. Funké Aladejebi. (January 19, 2021). Liberatory Pedagogies: Black Women Teachers in Ontario. Amherstburg Freedom Museum. https://youtu.be/VKB6u-Wl4g4
Funké Aladejebi. (2021). Schooling the System: A History of Black Women Teachers. McGill-Queen’s University Press. https://www.mqup.ca/schooling-the-system-products-9780228005391.php
Funké Aladejebi. (2022). “I don’t know if I should say this”: Black Women, Oral History, and contesting the Great White North. In Michele A. Johnson and Funké Aladejebi. (Eds.), Unsettling the Great White North: Black Canadian History. University of Toronto Press. https://utorontopress.com/9781487529178/unsettling-the-great-white-north/
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15 | Martina Douglas, University of Toronto, Faculty of Information
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Martina Douglas from the University of Toronto Faculty of Information. Martina joins us to speak about her work as Director of the Equity, Diversity and Inclusion Unit.
Episode Resources:
Anima Leadership. (n.d.) Home. Retrieved June 14, 2023. https://animaleadership.com/
Oy Lein Jace Harrison, Lo Humeniuk & Dominica Tang. (2020). A Report on Diversity and Inclusion Experiences at the Faculty of Information. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hXWHfO65Gk7ilyGKCpz95pk38H1Vdkbn/view?usp=drivesdk
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14 | Dr. Mark V. Campbell, Northside Hip Hop Archive
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Dr. Mark V. Campbell, founding director and curator of Northside Hip Hop Archive. Mark joins us to speak about this digital collection of Canadian hip-hop history and culture.
Episode Resources:
About. (n.d.). Northside Hip Hop. Retrieved May 20, 2023, from https://www.nshharchive.ca
Mark V. Campbell. (February 2022). Still Tho: Aesthetic Survival in Hip-Hop’s Visual Art. Canadian Council for the Arts. https://canadacouncil.ca/about/ajagemo/still-tho
Statistics Canada. (May 10, 2023). Visible minority by occupation, highest level of education and generation status: Canada, provinces and territories. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=9810033001&selectedNodeIds=6D1,7D370,8D5&checkedLevels=0D1,1D1,2D1,3D1,4D1&refPeriods=20210101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout2,layout2,layout2,layout2,layout2,layout2,layout3,layout2,layout2&vectorDisplay=false
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13 | Olivia Wong, Toronto Metropolitan University Libraries
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Olivia Wong, Special Collections Curatorial Specialist at Toronto Metropolitan University Libraries. Olivia joins us to speak about her anti-racist description work.
Episode Resources:
Alison Skyrme, Cheryl Thompson, Emilie Jabouin, and Olivia Wong. (April 10, 2022). Canadian Blackface Culture: Confronting Racist Materials in Canadian Archives. Toronto Metropolitan University. https://rshare.library.ryerson.ca/articles/presentation/Canadian_Blackface_Culture_Confronting_Racist_Materials_in_Canadian_Archives/15137016
Archives for Black Lives in Philadelphia’s Anti-Racist Description Working Group (October 2019). Archives for Black Lives in Philadelphia: Anti-Racist Description Resources https://archivesforblacklives.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/ardr_final.pdf
Cheryl Thompson & Emilie Jabouin. (February 3, 2021). Blackface in the Kodak Archive, Ryerson’s Special Collections: Context for Reading ‘Racist’ Images, Toronto Metropolitan University Archives & Special Collections. https://library.torontomu.ca/asc/2021/02/blackface-in-the-kodak-archive-ryersons-special-collections-context-for-reading-racist-images/
Melissa J. Nelson. Description and Access for Anti-Black Archival Materials. Archives Association of Ontario. https://aao-archivists.ca/event-5228234
Jessica Tai. (2021). Cultural Humility as a Framework for Anti-Oppressive Archival Description, in “Radical Empathy in Archival Practice,” eds. Elvia Arroyo-Ramírez, Jasmine Jones, Shannon O’Neill, and Holly Smith. Special issue, Journal of Critical Library and Information Studies 3, no. 2. https://journals.litwinbooks.com/index.php/jclis/article/view/120
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12 | Tonya Sutherland-Stewart, Jackson Park Project
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Tonya Sutherland-Stewart, head of archive development and researcher for the Jackson Park Project. Tonya joins us to speak about the development of this archive.
Episode Resources:
Audra Gray (Producer) & Katarzyna Kochany (Director). (2019). Journey Back to Jackson Park. CBC Gem. https://cbcgem.app/hZ36RNiJek1emeL19
Jackson Park Project. (Sep 21, 2022). Culture Days 2022: Savouring Food & Freedom Extended Version. YoutTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHCoVxNWZQ&t=7s
The Jackson Park Project [@jacksonparkproject]. (n.d.). Instagram profile. Retrieved from, https://instagram.com/jacksonparkproject?igshid=MDE2OWE1N2Q=
Royal Ontario Museum. (Jul 27, 2020). Emancipation Day: Canada’s Past, Present & Future. YoutTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA4f-lmpm9w&t=1s
Royal Ontario Museum. (Aug 10, 2020). Emancipation Day: The Greatest Freedom Show on Earth. YoutTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKslDG-ujk&t=17s
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11 | Dr. Kristin Moriah, Queen’s University
Summary:
Welcome to the opener for season 2! In this episode, I welcome Dr. Kristin Moriah, Assistant Professor of African American Literature and Culture in the English Department at Queen’s University. Kristin joins us to speak about her work expanding research on Black political organizing in Canada and the United States.
Episode Resources:
Colored Conventions Project. (n.d.). University of Delaware. https://coloredconventions.org/
Douglass Day 2023 featuring the Papers of Mary Ann Shadd Cary. February 14, 2023. https://douglassday.org/
Melissa J. Nelson, Lopez Matthews and Sean Smith. Roundtable: Activating Archives and Anniversaries. Mary Ann Shadd Cary in the Here and Now Symposium. Penn State’s Center for Black Digital Research. Virtual. October 2, 2021. https://bwoaproject.org/events/shadd-cary/shadd-cary-symposium/
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10 | BONUS: Your Questions Answered
Summary:
It's the last episode of the year. In this bonus episode, I answer questions from you, the listener. The following are the submitted questions:
Q1: Can you talk a little bit about why it's important to document and preserve racist history & archival records?
Q2: Is there an extent to which archive-holding institutions need to do a better job of supporting archivists (e.g., mental health supports), and particularly BIPOC archivists, who may be working with these materials?
Q3: In your own training, were there courses that dealt with the topic of racist materials that helped to prepare you for the possibility of working with them?
Q4: Do these same principles apply to museum collections? I once worked at a museum that had a machine intended to do a job typically done by Chinese workers. The machine was called "The Iron Chink." Displaying it was obviously controversial. The museum took the stance that "We are not condoning this by exhibiting it. This is history."
Q5: Do you have colleagues at other archives in Canada who are also taking an anti-racist approach to the collections they work with? Do many archives have specific policies around working with explicitly racist materials?
Q6: As a Black researcher and academic, how do you explain the difficulty of searching for Black life in colonial archives to white archivists who don’t have that understanding?
Q7 How do you negotiate the place of Black researchers and Black Canadian history when the gatekeepers to memory are white settlers?
Episode Resources:
Archives for Black Lives in Philadelphia Anti-Racist Description Working Group. (2019). Anti-Racist Description Resources. https://archivesforblacklives.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/ardr_final.pdf
Archives of Ontario. Statement on Language and Description. http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/en/access/statement_language_description.aspx
Bashir Mohamed. (September 7, 2018).Calgary’s Unknown Civil Rights Champion. The Sprawl. https://www.sprawlcalgary.com/calgarys-unknown-civil-rights-hero
David Pilgrim (2005). Why I collect racist objects. Jim Crow Museum, Ferris State University. https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/collect.htm
Katie Sloan, Jennifer Vanderfluit and Jennifer Douglas. (2019). Not ‘Just My Problem to Handle’: Emerging Themes on Secondary Trauma and Archivists. Journal of Contemporary Archival Studies. 6 (20). https://elischolar.library.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1090&context=jcas
Melissa J. Nelson. Work with me. https://melissajnelson.com/contact/
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09 | Aaron T. Francis, Vintage Black Canada
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Aaron T. Francis, multidisciplinary artist and curator of Vintage Black Canada. Aaron joins us to speak about this multidisciplinary and collaborative initiative.
Episode Resources:
Vintage Black Canada [@vintageblackcanada]. (n.d.). Instagram profile. Retrieved from, https://instagram.com/vintageblackcanada?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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08 | Alexandra Mills, Concordia University Library
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Alexandra Mills, the Special Collections Archivist at Concordia University Library. Alexandra joins us to speak about her work activating Black archives.
Episode Resources:
Patrick Lejtenyi (August 31, 2021). Montreal’s Black history archives continue to grow at Concordia’s Vanier Library. Concordia University. https://www.concordia.ca/news/stories/2021/08/31/montreals-black-history-archives-continue-to-grow-at-concordia.html
Dana Isaac. (Curator). (July 5, 2022) Black women in Canada - Filling a role, finding a role (Exhibit). Concordia University. https://library.concordia.ca/about/news/#guid=https://library.concordia.ca/about/news/#i5_Jul_2022_10:06:00_EDT
Desirée Rochat and Alexandra Mills. (Curators). (October 26, 2022). 100 Years of Black Community Activism: The Intersecting Histories of the NCC and La Maison d’Haïti. Concordia University. https://library.concordia.ca/about/news/#guid=https://library.concordia.ca/about/news/#i26_Oct_2022_14:45:00_EST
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07 | Stanley H. Griffin, University of the West Indies, Mona Campus
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Stanley H. Griffin, former Archivist-in-Charge of the University of the West Indies (UWI) Archives. Stanley joins us to speak about Caribbean archives and his work as a Senior Lecturer in Archival and Information Studies in the Department of Library and Information Studies, UWI Mona Campus, Jamaica.
Episode Resources:
Stanley Griffin (2021). “Where Records Dance, Song, and Talk: Exploring Caribbean Record Forms and Archival Studies.” The Archival Education and Research Initiative (AERI). https://youtu.be/-jHZEIFr_9A
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06 | Dr. Charmaine A. Nelson, NSCAD University
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Professor Dr. Charmaine A. Nelson from NSCAD University (Nova Scotia College of Art and Design) in Halifax. Charmaine joins us to speak about her work as Founding Director of the Institute for the Study of Canadian Slavery.
*Please excuse the audio quality*
Episode Resources:
NSCAD University. (n.d.). Institute for the Study of Canadian Slavery. NSCAD University. Retrieved June 20, 2022, from https://nscad.ca/research/institute-for-the-study-of-canadian-slavery/
University of Massachusetts. (August 16, 2022). Prominent Scholar and Art Historian Charmaine A. Nelson joins UMass Amherst History of Art and Architecture Department. https://www.umass.edu/news/article/prominent-scholar-and-art-historian-charmaine-nelson-joins-umass-amherst-history-art#:~:text=Prominent%20scholar%2C%20art%20historian%2C%20educator,Visual%20Culture%20in%20fall%202022
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05 | Natasha Henry-Dixon, Ontario Black History Society
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Natasha Henry-Dixon, historian and president of the Ontario Black History Society. Natasha joins us to speak about the Ontario Black History Society's campaign to build their own archives.
Episode Resources:
Ontario Black History Society. Donate to our museum fund. https://blackhistorysociety.ca/museum-cultural-centre/
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04 | Dr. Mary Louise McCarthy-Brandt, REACH NB
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome historian Dr. Mary Louise McCarthy-Brandt from Remembering Each African Cemeteries History in New Brunswick (REACH NB). Mary joins us to speak about her research locating and documenting forgotten and abandoned Black burial grounds. She also shares her experience collaborating with the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick.
Episode Resources:
Lauren Bird (Nov 30, 2021). New nonprofit seeks to locate and record gravesites of Black people in New Brunswick. CBC News. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/black-history-new-brunswick-1.6267214
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03 | Rebecca Hankins, Texas A&M University Libraries
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome archivist/librarian Rebecca Hankins from Texas A&M University Libraries. Rebecca joins us to speak about her experience working with racist archival materials as a Black woman.
Episode Resources:
Rebecca Hankins. Capturing Controversy and Digitizing Racism: Yearbooks at Texas A&M University. July 15, 2020. https://tamu.libcal.com/event/6860107
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02 | Sean Smith, Archives of Ontario
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome Sean Smith, Senior Archivist at the Archives of Ontario. Sean joins us to speak about his experience building relationships with Black communities in Ontario.
Episode Resources:
Melissa J. Nelson, Lopez Matthews and Sean Smith. Roundtable: Activating Archives and Anniversaries. Mary Ann Shadd Cary in the Here and Now Symposium. Penn State’s Center for Black Digital Research. Virtual. October 2, 2021. https://bwoaproject.org/events/shadd-cary/shadd-cary-symposium/
Alvin D. McCurdy Fonds. Archives of Ontario GLAM Wiki. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Archives_of_Ontario_-_F_2076_Alvin_D._McCurdy_fonds
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01 | Welcome to the Gate
Summary:
In this episode, I welcome listeners to Archives & Things and explain the concept behind the creation of this podcast.
Episode Resources:
The podcast logo features the photograph, "Street View from Family Home," which was captured in October 1974. This has been made accessible courtesy of Catherine Nelson, owner of The Mattis Family Fonds. A selection of digitized access copies of the records can be viewed here.
Land Acknowledgement:
As you listen in, this podcast was recorded on the traditional territories of many Indigenous nations including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee and the Wendat peoples. The land I am on is covered by the Toronto Purchase Treaty 13, which was signed with the Mississaugas of the Credit. This place is now home to many diverse Indigenous peoples from across Turtle Island. As a Black woman, I know that Black and Indigenous struggles and oppressions are deeply linked. The displacement and enslavement that came from settler colonialism were integrative processes. I also acknowledge that settler colonialism is a current and ongoing process in this land. As I stand in solidarity with Indigenous peoples, I am also grateful for the opportunity to live, create, and work on this land.
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