
Catalytic Conversations
By Wendy Dickinson Ascend
Catalytic Conversation offers you, the listener, the opportunity to gain insight from the experiences of others. Each guest shares with you key pivot points, “failures”, and how each navigated the many transitions of ownership.

Catalytic ConversationsApr 07, 2021

Consciously Profitable: Psychological Safety is a MUST
Recently I was a guest on Lauren LeMunyan's Spitfire Podcast. Lauren and I are both coaches who work with executives to become consciously profitable. The question is, how?
Leaders who are executives and business owners have to keep up with legislation, maintain profitability to retain value within the company, and rely on people to make those things happen. As if that isn't tricky enough, those leaders have to lead people who, in 2021, are dealing with the pandemic - working remotely and isolated, while dealing with the social reckonings of the lack of equity, inclusion and diversity.
No one wants to be part of the problem. Everyone wants to offer a solution. What is a leader today to do?
In this interview we talk about legislation that is in the Senate for committee review that will impact M&A activity for startups. We also tie it to the questions that Victoria M. Grady poses in a recent article for leaders who want to be value added to their teams in transition. Finally, we discuss our upcoming webinar, "How To Create A Psychologically Safe Team" on Monday, April 12th, 2021. In this webinar we will discuss:
- What’s Working and What's Not in DEI Strategies
- The 4 Stages of Psychological Safety and What You Really Need to Pay Attention To
- The Next Steps to Building Your Inclusive Leadership Strategy
Registration is free and available at consciouslyprofitable.com

Goldilocks & The 3 Buyers: Interview with Dan Scherotter, Filament Business Advisors
Picture this - you’ve worked for years to build your business. You hope to retire in the next five or six years. You will use the money from that sale to buy the family a relaxing cruise, invest some for retirement and finally, do what you want to do with your time.
Sounds lovely, doesn’t it? Unfortunately, for many who hold that dream dear, it doesn’t work out that way. It happens for a lot of reasons. Sometimes, the market conditions aren’t right. At other times, owners get in their own way.
Today you have the chance to get the insider view of the transaction at the point of choosing the best fit buyer. Dan Scherotter, a broker and strategy consultant with Filament Business Advisors, has a background in the restaurant industry.
Dan is a former chef and restaurant owner. Dan has a finger on the pulse of the restaurant industry. As a consultant and broker for Filament, Dan is going to discuss with me the unique aspects of selling a restaurant, asymmetrical buyers and how the past year has “laid the industry bare” structurally.
First, you need to sit down and define your priorities. What do I mean?
- Do you know what your financial outlook is?
- Can you afford to take an earn out or reinvest part of the proceeds of a sale?
- What are the tax implications of the sale for you personally?
Many owners don’t know what they actually need to realize from the sale of their business. Sounds crazy, doesn’t it? But, it’s true. I recently heard of an owner who thought (no data, just thought it) that he/she needed to walk away with $3M to be comfortable in retirement. As it turns out, $2M was the magic number and that business sold and the owner was able to take an earn out for a larger purchase price based on forecasted earnings.
Think about your other priorities:
- You want the company to stay in your town.
- You want the new owner to keep all of the employees for at least a year.
- You want to continue acting as part of the business development team.
- You want a seat on the Board.
These requests are reasonable if they are presented in a professional manner and the owner has created a strong position as a valuable company. The likelihood of those priorities being accepted depend on the value of the company, and the timing of the ask. This is another incident where the right advisor is critical.
Let us know what you think: Wendy Dickinson, Ascend Coaching Solutions, 804-372-7575, wendy@ascendcoachingsolutions.com; Dan Scherotter, Filament Business Advisors, 804-728-1553 dan@filamentbusinessadvisors.com

The Wolf On Main Street: Interview with Michael Mitchell
Today we look at the process of selling your business. You may hear of this process referred to as The Deal or the Transaction. Your deal, or transaction, is the culmination of your years of hard work, blood, sweat and tears. The amount of money you walk away with is dependent on a number of variables. I hope that your biggest takeaway for my shows this month is that preparation is your key to successfully selling your business.
Selling your business is a process. Today, I want my guest to give you a peek at what happens behind the curtain of the deal. I want you to be ready for the business colonoscopy. I want you to be so prepared, so ready, that you don’t feel a thing!
We’re going to talk about the things owners do that get in their own way, that they do wrong, or how they subconsciously sabotage the entire deal! This happens all too often.
KEY ISSUES: Problems You May Encounter:
In my experience, these are the obstacles that owners don’t prepare for, lead through, or navigate successfully, during the transaction.
1. Owners don’t really know what their priorities are before they begin the transaction process. It is too late to think about the well-being of your employees once the purchase agreement is signed.
2. Owners don’t think about who their ideal buyer is or what their attributes should be.
3. Owners don’t really know how much their business is worth. Michael recommended the Goldilocks method - ideal price, acceptable price, minimally acceptable pricing. It is very important to get the pricing right, to attract the interest that you want.
4. Owners have built the entire business around the owner.
What You Need To Know - THE WHAT:
Folks, you need to know what other companies in your industry and in your geographic area are selling for – I encourage you to do some market research.
If you belong to an association, ask for the names of other owners who have successfully sold their company. Get in touch with them and find out what their experience was like and what they would do differently if they could have a redo. I also recommend that you listen as closely to what isn’t said as to what is said in those conversations.
Next, make sure you build relationships with advisors who have had experience as part of a deal team. That experience will be a huge source of strength during the transaction process.
Almost every deal has moments where the door opens to renegotiate the purchase price, or an accounting practice is questioned, etc. you want your advisors to be calm, professional, and to add value to your position, not detract from the value of your company.
Here are the steps that Michael outlined for your transaction:
- Get your business appraised.
- Talk to your accountant.
- Determine the kind of sale you will execute.
- The book of information is written.
- Advertising.
- Attracting and educating the buyers about your company. NOTE: This is the time to get those prospective buyers to submit their personal finance documents and to sign an NDA.
- Letters of Intent are submitted and the top prospects are chosen.
- Due diligence begins.
- Purchase and sale agreements with terms and conditions are signed. Transaction closes.
Michael Mitchell, Business Research Group, Michael@brgbrokers.com, or 1-804-381-6667. Visit Michael’s website here.

Prepping your Business To Sell: Interview with Mike Metzger, Murphy Business Sales
A lot of you plan to sell your business one day. However, the odds of successfully selling your business are against you.
Did you know that there are ways to stack the odds of selling successfully in your favor? Today Mike Metzger of Murphy Business Sales and I discuss the steps that you can take to prepare your business to go on the market.
We look at the things that you can do to build value in your business. We discuss the most common mistakes that business owners make when putting their business on the market. Mike and I want you to know what you don’t know. What you don’t know can definitely hurt your business. Finally, Mike and I share our recommendations for steps that you can take to prepare your business to sell, and then integrate successfully once it’s sold.
I think you’re going to want to take notes!
SHOW OBJECTIVES: THE WHY
- 4 out of 5 businesses that go up for sale, don’t successfully sell.
- Of the businesses that close the deal, 80% fail to integrate successfully.
- 73% of business owners are unhappy with the results of the sale of their businesses 1 year out from the close.
- Over 60% of business owners are planning to use the proceeds from the sale of their business to fund their retirements.
KEY ISSUES: Problems You May Encounter:
- Owners don’t really know how much their business is worth.
- Owners have built the entire business around the owner.
- Owners have failed to build value within their business - value to a prospective buyer, that is.
- Owners fail to run the business successfully once the transaction occurs.
- Owners don’t get the timing right.
- Owners don’t have the right advisors.
- Owners don’t have a communication plan for their team and word leaks.
What You Need To Do - THE HOW
- Get a valuation by an independent source.
- Consult your financial planner to determine the amount you need to live comfortably in retirement. Could you manage an earn out, or reinvest as minority owner? If so, for how much?
- Develop relationships with a broker, attorney and accountant who have this kind of expertise.
- Take a 2 week vacation and don’t contact the shop. Use this as a stress test. Anything that “broke” while you were gone was a weak point that needs shoring up.
- Find out what the steps are and what the process looks like for your business.
- Conduct an inventory, a cash flow analysis, account receivables over 90 days are considered a lost cause. Collect on those ahead of time.
- Consider the “curb appeal”. Clean and spruce up ahead of time.
- Prepare your team, and your customers, for transition. It will cost you if your key performers/customers up and leave once the deal is closed.
Resources:
- Mike Metzger, Murphy Business Sales, m.metzger@murphybusiness.com, or 1-804-617-6328. Connect with Mike on LinkedIn here.
- Visit my website, to get your free downloads here

Profitability: Savings on Fixed Costs with Mick Wienholt
COVID19, racial reckoning, economic uncertainty, the upcoming election….
Each is a complex, impactful occurrence. Together - the challenges keep every business owner ready to take up the fight, flight or freeze reaction in our reptilian brains.
McKinsey recently reported that some industries will take up to five years to recover. Others were able to pivot and navigate the new government recommendations with some success. In the messy middle are those businesses that are working through the complexity one step at a time. The small businesses have sustained most of the economic punches of this crisis.
Each owner’s experience is different. So, take what we talk about today with the knowledge that there is no silver bullet, or one size fits all or a magic pill.
Key Issues - Owner Perspective:
- Impactful steps to improve the balance sheet, prune away the dead costs, and overall profitability. This is beneficial to both selling and reinventing.
- Improve the company's retained earnings and position those earnings for potential ability to self finance.
- Prioritize and then execute fixed cost operations that can be achieved with a minimal amount of disruption, and maximum savings.
- Visit my website at www.ascendcoachingsolutions.com and DL my free PDF on Four Steps to Pandemic Survival.
- Visit Mick Wienholt of Schooley Mitchell, at www.schooleymitchell.com/mwienholt, or email Mick at mick.wienholt@schooleymitchell.com.
What You Need to Do
- The Predictive Index reported recently that 39% of CEO’s have placed strategy development as their #1 priority. The 2nd? Talent Strategy. And, the 2 are intertwined.
- Consider a change to the method of Depreciation - is there short term gain, or not? (Selling the Business - NO) Does this option offer long-term gain? (Reinventing the Business - Maybe).
- Could a change in the method of Amortization offer a reduction in fixed costs, and an increase in profit? (1) Full amortization - loan to zero at the last payment date, (2) Partial amortization - paying less over time with a closing payment of the final date, (3) Interest only amortization - at the end of term principal is due,(4) Negative amortization - less than interest only with a large payoff.
- Look at your company’s Insurance policies: what would a short-term shop with the lowest cost provider and reduce benefits to minimal levels offer for Selling the Business, and for Reinventing the Business.
- Collect data on compensation throughout the company. Look at Salaries: how would choosing to top grade all positions. Segregate and identify candidates in the bottom 10%. Designate those positions for separation or part-time and devise a plan to execute on that decision. This would be a benefit for those of you who want to sell the business. If you plan to reinvent the business, it may also be a benefit - weigh the implications.
- For your equipment rentals & leases: if you have multiple leases from different manufactures (1) consolidate leases with one financing agency. This would be a benefit for both selling and reinventing the company.
- Consider reducing all back end expenses by 10% - run a cost/benefit analysis, then decide.

Franchising: An Expert's View with Gus Iurillo
Any business owner will tell you that owning your own business is a lot of work. If you listen to stories of the how and why of different businesses, it will amaze you to hear the twists and turns that a lot of people have gone through to get to that place.
Business owners are as varied as the different types of businesses. They have different reasons for getting into business - some are moving away from a career they didn’t like, or are moving toward the start of a great idea. They have different experiences with work, consuming products and financial resources. They also have different levels of tolerance for risk.
But, how can you mitigate your exposure to risk? Many believe that franchises are the way to go.
Today we look at franchises with one the most successful franchise experts in the country, Gus Iurillo of The Entrepreneur's Source. Gus will give us tips for choosing a franchise, and what to watch out for.
Failure is possible. Franchisees do fail. You have the opportunity to determine what those possible failure patterns are and take steps to guard against them. Here are just a few:
- Inept franchisees.
- Franchisee reluctance to follow the formula.
- Misalignment between the franchisee and franchisor.
- Lack of funds.
- Poor people skills.
Gus has developed a process for his clients to follow. He guides them through the decision making process. Gus and his clients look for fit, adequate resources, support offered from corporate, etc.
What You Need To Do - THE HOW
- Do your research.
- Know your numbers. Determine the amount you are comfortable with risking.
- Look at the market, industry, and franchise ups and downs.
- Learn the lingo.
- Research the different franchises. Determine which are the recession proof.
- Begin the application process.
- Set up your discovery day meeting. Bring your questions along with your growth mindset.
- Apply for financing.
- Hire a reputable business attorney (I recommend Scott Simmons.) to review the contracts.
- Get the training and support you need to succeed.
At this point, I have to recommend Gus Iurillo of The Entrepreneur’s Source. Connect with Gus on LinkedIn here. You deserve to succeed. Set yourself up for success.
Resources:
- “Why Opening a Franchise Business Is Better Than Starting Your Own”, Harsh Pancholia, March 26, 2017, entrepreneur.com.
- “Why Franchises Fail”, Richard Gibson, April 30, 2007, WSJ.
- “The Pros and Cons Of Buying A Franchise”, Jared Hecht, February 27, 2019, Forbes.com.
- “Guide To Buying A Franchise” by Marisa Sanfilippo, August 27, 2020, businessnewsdaily.com.
- Work The Bugs Out: Practices To Work In, & On, Your Business, by Wendy Dickinson, Publish: TBD. Excerpt: Free Downloadable PDFs to work through.

Next Gen Prep: Curriculum for Family Businesses
This episode is from the Catalytic Conversations aired on IBGR.Network every Friday at 2 pm Eastern. This was the Season 4 opener. Let me know if you liked it, have questions, or suggestions for other topics you'd like to hear more about. Thanks for listening!
Creating a family legacy is hard work. Fewer than 20% of businesses make it to the fourth generation. Why is that? What contributes to the failures from one generation to the next.
A favorite resource is the PWC Family Business Survey series. Today was take a look at the challenges for those in power to prepare the next generation for leadership. Using the PWC Global Next Generation Survey from 2019, we will start off with a few discussion points:
- Gaining top level experience is the #1 priority for NextGens in increasing their skills. 48% would like to do more shadowing/mentoring, 43% feels the need to network more with peers, 42% would like to gain experience outside of the family biz, 41% would like to gain international exposure.
- The “incumbent” generation is not answering the call by and large. 2018’s Survey found that only 15% have succession plans and 44% had none.
- Here are the skill Next Gens say are most important for the business and they need the space to make mistakes and gain experience in these areas:
- Problem solving and strategic thinking 72%
- Leadership 71%
- Financial Management 57%
You, and your family, have dedicated significant resources to building the minds and confidence of your Next Gens. But, are you willing to take this a step further – actually several steps further? By designing a succession plan? By creating a list of company needs that you present to the Next Gen to explore fit?
It takes courage and patience to hold the space for the growth and development of the Next Gen. Identify learning and experience goals that yourNext Gen leaders can use to fill their knowledge and experience gaps.
- Begin by setting next gen up to be the best version of themselves. The relationships between family members as well as with the business itself is explored, developed, and nurtured with the idea that the business will continue into perpetuity.
- Next, consider how far each person could go in leadership development, and in what areas (be specific!).
- Create a family employment policy - explore the roles waiting to be filled by the next generation. Identify who might fill what roles, and how well the person fits the role.
- Organize regular family meetings.
- Develop a continuity plan for the family and for the business in the face of transitions of leadership, ownership, governance, and the family assets.
You can connect with Wendy Dickinson on FB, LinkedIn, and Instagram. Visit IBGR.Network to download the full set of show notes.

The Entrepreneurial Mindset: Mavis Tang, Co-Founder of Soundé
Have you forgotten what it felt like to start your business? I’ve lost count of the number of business owners who have said, “If I had had any idea how hard it would be to get this business where it is today, I’m not sure I would’ve done it.”
Business owners usually nod their heads at this. Yes, it was hard. But, you learned a lot. Many of the lessons learned at that point in the business get lost or forgotten as the company grows.
We’ve talked about innovation and disruption as well as pivots this year. The pandemic emphasized the importance of scenario planning and contingency plans. A number of businesses have gotten really creative and changed the way they do business.
How do mature businesses reconnect with that entrepreneurial spirit to reinvent the product, product delivery or the business model to compete in this marketplace?
My guest today is Mavis Tang of Soundé. Mavis and her co-founders have brought a new product to an old market. I believe in their mission, vision and value proposition. I invite you to listen to the path Soundé took, and let the possibilities for the future wash over you as you reimagine the business you lead.
This episode is from my weekly radio show on IBGR.Network. I hope you enjoy it!
What the (O) needs to Know - Pay Attention to Alignment- The key Need To Know for an Innovator.
- The things that surprised Mavis.
- The steps Mavis took to prepare for ownership.
- The people Mavis and her co-founders go to when they have questions.
- Mavis’s strategy for dealing with conflicting priorities. It’s all about communication.
- The strategies Mavis and her co-founders have for dealing with conflicting opinions. They respect and honor the vision first and foremost - agreement flows from there.
- The advice Mavis offers to others out there who have an idea for a business.
- Check out Sounde here. Soundeapp is coming. Sign up for the newsletter so that you and your family know when Sounde will be ready to beta test. Can’t beat the price!
- “5 Obvious Mistakes First-Time Founders Make That Sink Their Startups” by Megan Holstein, entrepreneurshandbook.com, Medium, Dec. 2020.
- “Decoding Quantum Thinking: What It Feels Like To Think Free”, by Kashyap Vyas, July 20, 2019.
- “Disaster Preparation and Recovery For Any Size Business”, by Wendy Dickinson, Ascend Coaching Solutions, 2020.
- “Why Design Thinking Works”, by Jeanne Liedtka, HBR, October 2018.

Vince Burruano: Thinking Outside of the Box
This was a special episode from my weekly radio show, Catalytic Conversations, on IBGR.Network radio on Fridays at 2 pm Eastern. Vince Burruano, VP of Sales for the Commercial Division of JK Moving, is a leader to learn from - you can download the full show notes at IBGR.Network.
I’m currently working with several companies dealing with sales team crises. One company has had three hires for the sales team without any success. Another has had a sales manager who was successful pre-COVID and finds the current business landscape so difficult, he’s no longer able to lead.
I invited Vince to give us a snapshot of his innovative approaches to building a successful sales team. Vince is a lifelong learner who is a student of leadership. This was a valuable hour for picking up new ideas.
You are all here to learn. A lot of you, like my clients, learn best by first hand experience. Is it really necessary? Vince is here to help you learn about the importance of sales leadership in growing your business.
Today you have the chance to learn through another leader’s experiences – saving you time, money, and energy. I’m always happy to learn from someone else’s examples, aren’t you?
Vince outlined a number of steps to consider taking when evaluating your business talent needs:
- Perform an honest assessment of your business. Ask a trusted associate to help ensure you are seeing the world as it really is, and not how you think it is or should be.
- Business culture and performance overall. How is the customer experience? Are you able to differentiate your offering from other competitors? Do you create a positive memorable experience for those clients that engage your business?
- Your sales organization. Is it an asset or a liability?
- Skills. How good are they at the basics? Are they growing professionally? Can they develop organic business, or do they rely on leads from the firm?
- Is there a defined and written sales process that incorporates best practices? Is it continuously evaluated and tweaked for maximum impact and results?
- Accountability. Are goals clearly defined, measured, and areas needing improvement addressed? Does everyone understand their mission and how it fits into the overall business?
- Leadership. Would a dedicated sales manager add value? Could they drive your business to the next level while you focus on the big picture?
- Development and Continuous Improvement. Is everyone getting better each day?
- Results. Is your sales team creating profitable revenue? Could they do even better with the right focus and support?
- Are you the leader you need to be?
- Manager vs. Leader – Managers do things right while leaders focus on doing the right things well.
- Are you inspiring others to be their best? Is your why believable?
- Are you developing new leaders in your company? Leaders are always in short supply and they are the cornerstone of all future growth.

Michelle Seiler Tucker: Selling The Business Guide
Many family businesses come to a place and time where the decision is made to sell the family business. While many families would prefer to pass the business on for generations to come, sometimes that isn’t possible for unforeseen reasons.
I recommend to all business owners that they actively plan for the sale of their business - regardless of their ideal exit. Why? Because it is always great and empowering to have options when you are ready to exit.
For some owners, taking this seriously will allow them to reverse engineer a viable asset instead of merely a job from the business they’ve worked so hard to create. My guest today, Michelle Seiler Tucker of Seiler Tucker Inc. and author of Exit Rich, has had 20 years of experience buying, selling and growing viable businesses.
Michelle has designed a process with tools to equip business owners to build value within their businesses. Today, she shares the ST GPS, and the 6 Ps of value that every listener can integrate into their exit preparation.
KEY ISSUES: Problems You May Encounter:
- Business that is built around the OWNER, not with systems and processes that allow the business to function separately from the owner.
- Business owners who do not know the actual value of the business based on cash flow, profitability, and the documentation to prove it.
- Owners who don’t have a vision for their next chapter in life.
What You Need To Know - THE WHAT:
- Have to know your numbers - what you need to bring that vision for a next chapter to life, an independent valuation, and a clear view of the profitability of the business.
- The opportunities that exist in your industry. IF your business is in a dying industry, selling becomes more difficult.
- Michelle Seiler Tucker outlines the many missed opportunities she has witnessed over her career in Exit Rich.
What You Need To Do - THE HOW:
- Check out the ST GPS.
- Determine your destination (sales price).
- Know your current location (the value of your company).
- Identify who your buyers will be.
- Know your time frame.
- Determine your WHY.
- Determine your destination (sales price).
- The 6 Ps:
- People - right team?
- Product - niche or intellectual property
- Process - Is your process efficient and/or proprietary?
- Proprietary - IP, brand, patents, trademarks, etc.
- Patrons - customer concentration, etc.
- Profits - Are you operating at the highest profit margins for your industry?
- People - right team?
Resources:
- Exit Rich, by Michelle Seiler Tucker, available NOW on her website. Check out the resources Michelle offers those who dive into Exit Rich.
- Work The Bugs Out: Practices To Work In, & On, Your Business, by Wendy Dickinson, Publish: TBD. Excerpt: Free Downloadable PDFs to work through.
You can connect with Wendy Dickinson on FB, LinkedIn, and Instagram.

Culture Essentials: The WHY Institute with Guest Dan Dominguez
This is interview was a part of my weekly radio show at IBGR.Network. Catch Catalytic Conversations every Friday at 2 pm EST.
Building Culture and Teams
Culture in any organization can be difficult to define, as well as communicate. The issue of defining and explaining culture in a family business is even more complex. At the same time, leaders in a family business have a responsibility to not only define and explain culture, but to also equip themselves and the next generation to lead through culture changes. It’s complicated for the family and for those in the organization outside of the family, isn’t it?
At the same time, the WHY Institute believes that knowing the WHY of the company, it’s leaders and those who make up the organization is an important part of sustaining a family business for future generations. The WHY Institute founder, Gary Sanchez, was inspired to reach out to Simon Sinek after his famous TED Talk to ask how a person goes about discovering the WHY. Simon didn’t know, but supported Gary in his efforts to devise a scientifically sound way of discovering your WHY.
Today I have a conversation with Dan Dominguez of the WHY Institute. Dan shares his experiences in working with family businesses, and the individuals within those organizations, on discovering their WHY, their how and their what. Each leads to greater clarity and ability to communicate the mission and vision to employees as well as ideal clients/customers.
Strong Culture is linked to:
- Happier Employees
- Greater Productivity
- Higher Employee Engagement
- Higher Profits
Knowing the Why, the How, and the What of the company AND the people in an organization helps build a strong company culture.
According to the PwC, 2019 Family Business Survey, over 50% of family businesses did NOT plan to pass the business on to the next generation. One of the reasons was a lack of interest on the parts of the younger generation. Dan and I wonder if a lack of clarity around Why - for the company and for the next generation, contributes to that statistic.
Companies and individuals can investigate the process of Why discovery by exploring The WHY Institute’s website: www.whyinstitute.com.
Resources:
- Dan Dominguez, The WHY Institute, contact Dan at dan@whyinstitute.com.
- Work The Bugs Out: Practices To Work In, & On, Your Business, by Wendy Dickinson, Publish: TBD. Excerpt: Free Downloadable PDFs to work through.
- 2019 US Family Business Survey, PWC, January 2019.
- 8 Reasons Why Organizational Culture is Important, indeed.com.
- The Statistical Case for Company Culture, levelingup.com.
You can connect with Wendy Dickinson on FB, LinkedIn, and Instagram.

Handley Watches: Innovation & Durability
This show gives you, the Owner/Founder Executive the chance to see how somebody else did it - innovate within an established market. Jay Carpenter and his co-founder, Alexis Carpenter, had a need, which led to an idea that took them to starting Handley Watches.
Jay shares the journey. He gives us his “WHY”. He told us what he didn’t know and had to find out. Jay will let us in on how they did it - from day one.
Handley Watches gives us a blend of the old and the new, so that we can move, work and play without the weight of connection dragging us down and back.
This interview took place as part of my weekly radio show, Catalytic Conversations, with IBGR.Network every Friday at 2 pm EST. Drop by any time. Join the IBGR.community or download the IBGR app to get the full show notes.
Resources:- Handley Watches, Visit the Handley Watches website to sign up for their updates and receive 10% off your purchase! Handley Watches FB Page, “Richmond Couple Finds Time To Launch Wristwatch Brand”, Richmond BizSense, August 27, 2020.
- “5 Obvious Mistakes First-Time Founders Make That Sink Their Startups” by Megan Holstein, entrepreneurshandbook.com, Medium, Dec. 2020.
- “Decoding Quantum Thinking: What It Feels Like To Think Free”, by Kashyap Vyas, July 20, 2019.
- “Disaster Preparation and Recovery For Any Size Business”, by Wendy Dickinson, Ascend Coaching Solutions, 2020.
- “Why Design Thinking Works”, by Jeanne Liedtka, HBR, October 2018.

The Right Wire For Hire – Seven Hills On How To Stay Current
Seven Hills Electric has seen a few economic meltdowns. This is a family owned business with master networkers. In this episode, Greg and Kyle Harvey connect the dots for us – we can see how networking in the right way led to their most recent successes.
Debra Willis of PPG Solutions, and Karen Larsen of HR TABS, and I have the chance to see this crazy world through the eyes of a third generation family business that survives every jolt the economy delivers.
Takeaways:
1. Seven Hills knows how to pivot. After ’08 downturn:
a. Went from a commercial firm to residential and light industrial.
b. Refocused on new territory from Charlottesville to Richmond area in Virginia.
2. This family business makes decisions as a group and goes with consensus.
3. The Harveys put high value on relationships:
a. They work at building strategic partnerships.
b. Every customer request is handled by the owners, then on the day of service, the owners start deliver instructions to the service teams onsite.
Visit the Seven Hills website here. Catch up with Debra Willis and find out how you can save on employee benefits. Email her at dwillis@ppgsolutions.com. Karen offers a monthly subscription service for those of you who want an HR expert in your pocket. Email her at KLarsen@hrtabs.com. Need a business coach? Call me at 804-372-7575. I’d love to hear from you!
Best,
Wendy

Capabilities + Capacity = Strategic Responses Worth Doing
This episode of Catalytic Conversations gives you a chance to weigh the value of a strategic response versus a knee jerk reaction.
No judgment here. This group of people have a wealth of experience, with the curated wisdom to make those words go down easier.
Jeff Miller and Randy Asbell are sales gurus. They are business owners who help build out sales teams (Jeff) and processes (Randy). The two also model collaborative relationships at their best!
Here’s what Debra, Karen and I took away from this conversation:
- Panicky, knee jerk reactions are common.
- COVID19 was an opportunity for many to build operational excellence. In sales, this looks like a team with a high EQ.
- Operational excellence leads to an increase in capacity, & capability which results in valuable strategic responses.
- Resources that we all love:
- Grant, a documentary on Ulysses S. Grant
- Simon Sinek’s latest, The Infinite Game
- Bob Johansen’s Full Spectrum Thinking: How to Escape Boxes in a Post Categorical Future
- Grant, a documentary on Ulysses S. Grant
Next month Greg and Kyle Harvey of Seven Hills Electric will be our guests. Seven Hills is a resilient family business with the ability to pivot in response to the market on any given day. Tune in to learn how they do it each and every time!
Reach out to Jeff Miller of Sales Recruiters of Virginia by visiting www.salesrecruitersofva.com or by calling 804.263.5961. Catch Randy Asbell of Selling Forensics at www.sellingforensics.com or by calling 937.831.6090. Debra Willis, of PPG Solutions, and Karen Larsen, of HR TABS are my co-hosts. Contact them for a benefits review, or your HR needs.
If you need a coach visit my site: www.ascendcoachingsolutions.com.
Wishing you all health & well-being,Wendy Dickinson

Protocols & Perceptions: Norman Company Inc. Delivers Best Practices
Norman Company Inc is an amazing commercial construction company in central Virginia…. the model for family business at its best!
This family-owned commercial construction company provides clients in Greater Richmond and surrounding areas with general contracting: project management, pre-construction planning, estimating and scheduling; and negotiated Design/Build services. The Normans built their business on shared values, delivery of quality products, and integrity.
In the interview, Rob (VP of Business Development) and Will (VP of Construction) Norman discuss the protocols put in place to protect employees, clients, and subcontractors from COVID19 infection. What we didn’t expect was the level of commitment this family business brings to the job. Listen in for a glimpse at family biz best practices at work - on the jobsite and in real time.
Two things that didn’t come out during the interview:
- The Normans had a policy to take everyone’s temperature when they arrived at the jobsite - and, yes, that included the President!
- Rob modeled one of the 3-D masks after we stopped recording. You have got to see this!
Norman Company Inc. | Building Quality, Value and Lasting Relationships.
Reach out to Will or Rob Norman by visiting their website. Debra Willis, of PPG Solutions, and Karen Larsen, of HR TABS are my co-hosts. Contact them for a benefits review, or your HR needs. If you need a coach visit my site: www.ascendcoachingsolutions.com.
Wishing you all health & well-being,Wendy Dickinson

People & Profits Suffer in Pandemics
Catalytic Conversations is back! Wendy Dickinson, Founder of Ascend Coaching Solutions is a business coach who works with owners at the intersection of life and business.
Today she talks with Debra Willis of PPG Solutions and Karen Larsen of HR TABS about the struggles of business owners coping with COVID-19. We’ve entered the second quarter in 2020 - and it’s all about survival.
We discuss:
- The impacts of COVID-19 that we see in the world of business today.
- The question of whether or not businesses should lay off employees or keep them on.
- Key takeaways for business owners in this moment of disruption for every type of business.
My guests are Debra Willis of PPG Solutions and Karen Larsen of HR TABS -
Debra is a 40 year healthcare veteran. President of partners in healthcare and currently a business manager at PPG Solutions/Benefit Hackers. She now works with small businesses to reduce insurance costs and improve employee benefits. Specializing in cost analysis and device at no cost!
You can contact Debra Willis at dwillis@ppgsolutions.com or at 804-909-5414.
Karen Larsen is the CEO and Founder of HR-TABS LLC Consulting. She is a certified Fractional HR Executive with over 30 years of practice expertise as a leader in HR and organizational development in multiple industries and Fortune organizations. As a chief HR strategist, Karen’s passion is to help small businesses become “Employers of Choice”.
You can contact Karen Larsen of HR TABS at klarsen@hrtabs.com or 804-405-5003.
Listeners, you can contact Wendy at www.ascendcoachingsolutions.com, or at 804-372-7575. Let us know what you think!

“Third Generation Hire to Wire”
Seven Hills Electric is a third generation electrical services company. Seven Hills has evolved from a 4 partner business started in the 70’s, to a family owned company with three generations currently at the helm. The Harvey Family had to pivot due to the recession of ‘08. Kyle discusses the ups and downs of their decisions. He is open about his choices - going to college, joining the business, and the preparations for the next recession. Join us for a frank discussion of what has worked for Seven Hills Electric and the Harvey Family.
After our conversation, I suggested that Seven Hills design a special disaster package for their service customers. SHE could take a look at the damage done in the past from hurricanes, flooding, snow/ice events, as well as wind damage. That information could provide the outlines of the most valuable features and benefits that would give their service customers an advantage in getting back up and running after a climate event. Kyle was open to the idea. My question to you listeners, what can you do to turn a climate event into an opportunity to generate revenue?
If you’d like to dive into more about Seven Hills Electric, visit their website here. To contact Kyle Harvey email him at Kyle@SevenHillsElectric.com or call him at 804-397-7999. If you need a business coach, contact me at www.ascendcoachingsolutions.com or call me at 804-372-7575.

All In: Family In Business, Part Two
If you thought family business was all unicorns and rainbows, think again. The family business is a source of income, professional growth, AND a major source of identity. This is part two of an in depth interview about a family business that weathered Hurricane Katrina with mixed results.
Michele Wink, CEO of UP Professional Solutions, is one of five children. Her father founded an engineering firm. In this interview, recorded on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, Michele tells us about the lessons her family learned about succession, contingencies, and how to build a family identity that can withstand any trial.
Here are Michele’s key takeaways:
- Have a succession plan from Day 1. Outline terms and conditions. Document and communicate the plan.
- Hire outside advisors for the hard, and the soft, sides of the business.
- Require each member of the next generation to work outside of the family business to experience success that belongs to each as individuals - independent of the family enterprise.
- The decisions made in the business has had a lasting impact on the entire family- all 3 generations.
If you would like to learn more about UP Professional Solutions, go to their website here. Michele invites you to contact her at MicheleW@uppros.com, or call her directly at 504.561.1652.

All In: Family In Business, Part One
If you thought family business was all unicorns and rainbows, think again. The family business is a source of income, professional growth, AND a major source of identity.
Michele Wink, CEO of UP Professional Solutions, is one of five children. Her father founded an engineering firm. In this interview, recorded on the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, Michele tells us about the lessons her family learned about succession, contingencies, and how to build a family identity that can withstand any trial. This is part one. You won't want to miss part two!
Surprise Best Practice: Michele’s parents staged a summer camp at their home for the entire 3rd generation, and started a 3rd Gen Club. Every grandchild was eligible for the club once he/she could read. Then, the company was open to those children to learn about the business. Each member of that generation is close to one another as a result of those practices. Definitely a win for the Winks!
If you would like to learn more about UP Professional Solutions, go to their website here. Michele invites you to contact her at MicheleW@uppros.com, or call her directly at 504.561.1652.

No Love is Greater Than That of a Father For His Son...
You’ve been told to take the emotion out of your business decisions. It makes sense. If only it actually worked. We know that making a decision in the midst of extreme emotion is a really bad idea. But, what happens if the President of the family business feels really strongly about a person (his son, for ex.), or a plan, and can’t separate the emotion from reason?
My guest today is Jay Cowan, a “recovering insurance guy” (his words- not mine). Jay shares a family business story that is heartbreakingly tragic. This story is the WHY of Jay’s business, Business Owner Exit Strategies.
In this story, Jay’s stepfather, Glenn, chooses his successor based on his love for his son. It went terribly wrong. Glenn needed a coach. He needed someone to talk through his options, develop a plan to prepare his son for leadership and offer support as he navigated the relationship with his son.
The first time I heard this story, I couldn’t believe it. If you work in a family business, take the relationship aspect of the business seriously. It matters.
If you’d like to talk with Jay, call him at 804.726.6011 or check out his website at BOESVA.com. If you are in a family business and want a coach to support your efforts to succeed, call me at 804.372.7575 or email me at wendy@wendybdickinson.com.

SBA Tools for Family Businesses
Listen to Dennis Wagner, SBA Lender for Atlantic Capital Bank, to discover financial tools for family businesses.
We know that many family businesses run short on cash. We don’t know how much more it costs family businesses when they don’t include the SBA as an option. There are reasons to take a look at the SBA. They have 3 tools to offer that may prove to be handy for your family:
- Loan to acquire a business that has a lack of collateral ( a service firm, etc.)
- If there is a real estate transaction on the table- buying another building, building a new building, then explore the Rent Replacement Program.
- Total partner buyout assistance - this can be a huge help to family businesses in which the next generation needs to buy out family members, but don’t have the capital to do so.
Something that may surprise you, Dennis isn’t limited to doing business in Virginia. He can become part of your team of outside advisors. This is especially valuable if you include him prior to signing a letter of intent (LOI) to purchase a business.
So, if you’d like to learn more about those 3 tools, give Dennis a call. Research tells us that having 3 options can increase our chances of making a good decision by 80%. To contact Dennis, email him at Dennis.Wagner@atlcapbank.com, or give him a call at 540-850-7799 ©.

BB Hamilton- An Extraordinary Leader of Men
This interview took place at BB’s place of business, The Executive Grooming Lounge. That night was rainy, cold and yet- the shop was packed, the only space for us to have this conversation was the back room- music, members of the community and the fruits of BB’s leadership evident everywhere we looked. Mr. BB Hamilton discusses the return on investments like leadership, mentoring, and modeling. BB has an established apprenticeship program where aspiring barbers learn how to be ambassadors of the Executive Grooming Lounge, and the men they were created to become. BB discusses the myth of work/life balance, personal development and building successful, profitable teams. He recommends books that he uses with his team: Who Moved My Cheese and The Four Agreements. There is a lot to aspire to here!

Big Business in a Small Town
Tommy had 3 priorities in the sale: legacy, the well-being of Sqwincher employees AND purchase price. In our offline conversation Tommy said that “this is a small town, it’s not like those people can just go out and get another job”. He went on to say that he feels really good about the outcome and continues to see Sqwincher grow while making a positive impact on the Columbus community.

Transparency In Action - Leadership at It's Best

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Wall Street Exit Led to Grand Cayman's Beaches
Jim and Rhonda are the founders of Grand Cayman Villas and Condos. Natural disasters, along with the issue of distance, are factors both Rhonda and Jim navigate in running the business and their household.
Check out the company on their website: www.grandcaymanvillas.net. Listeners, if you’d like to learn more about working with me as your coach, feel free to call me at 804-372-7575 or go to my website, Ascend To Sell.com. I would love it if you would leave a review on iTunes and share this podcast with your contacts.

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