
Australian Design Radio
By Australian Design Radio

Australian Design RadioJan 16, 2022

Ep139 Ve Dewey (Adobe MAX21)
Our last episode on positivity (as part of Adobe MAX 2021) has Sumita and Matt talking with Ve Dewey in London about how she’s remained positive in her squiggly-line career.
Ve has worked for Adobe, Mattel, ReDesign Business and most recently as co-creator for Never Not Creative. In this discussion we look at how she ended up in London, being a ‘servant-leader’ and how the design industry still needs to grow up.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always finding ways to give back to the Australian design industry. Please give them a try at streamtime.net
Links
Ve's website: https://www.vedewey.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vandewcandew/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/vandewcandew
Articles and podcasts by Ve: https://nevernotcreative.org/posts/tag/Ve+Dewey
Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhartha_(novel)

Ep138 Kris Andrew Small (Adobe MAX21)
Our Adobe MAX21 mini-series rolls on with co-host, Sumita Maharaj interviewing Kris Andrew Small on his backstory, how his process is changing and what it means to be a role model for younger creatives.
Having worked for many large clients like Nike, Apple, Adidas, Channel 4, WeTransfer, Reebok and more, he’s also exhibited internationally at institutions like V&A and The Louvre. Yes, that’s right folks, The Louvre.
Make you check out his talks at Adobe MAX, where he’s doing a number of different sessions. Details in the show links below.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always giving moments of joy to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net
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Links
Kris’s website: https://krisandrewsmall.com/home
Adobe MAX 2021: https://max.adobe.com/speakers/
MTS9 - Meet the MAX Speaker: Kris Andrew Small: https://portal.adobe.com/widget/adobe/am21/sessions?search=MTS9
MB111 - CJ Hendry: Creative Inspiration (with Kris): https://portal.adobe.com/widget/adobe/am21/sessions?search=MB111
Kris Insta: https://www.instagram.com/krisandrewsmall/?hl=en
The Bloom by TDC. Ep 01: Jo Hook and Kris Andrew Small: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMp4DG1rzSQ
Ocean Bottle: https://oceanbottle.co/pages/earth-day
Kris Interview on The design Kids: https://thedesignkids.org/interviews/kris-andrew-small/
Streamtime: https://streamtime.net/adr2020

Ep137 Josie Young (Adobe MAX21)
1st episode in a new mini-series based on Adobe MAX and their 2021 theme of positivity. Co-host Sumita Maharaj interviews Josie Young about her work, living with chronic illness and stepping away from Christopher Doyle & Co. to start her own thing.
Go here to listen.
Make sure you tune into her presentation at Adobe MAX, aptly titled, ‘Notes on Invisible Illness and Making Work Work for You’ available live Thursday, Oct 283:30 PM - 4:00 PM AEDT and check out Josie’s new site to see her amazing work.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always trying to give back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net
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Links
Design Atlas 012: Josie Young: Staying positive in difficult times
Adobe LIVE: Branding: The Exploration Before the Presentation with Josie Young
Adobe LIVE: Branding: The Presentation After the Exploration with Josie Young
Sydney Design Festival — International Women’s Day “Gentlemen Welcome” — Josie Young

Ep136 REISSUE Jo & Jason (For The People)
I really love doing ReIssue episodes. Pulling old soundbites and getting original guests to comment on them — it’s like digging up a time capsule.
This episode we have Jo Roca and Jason Little from For The People looking at our 5th episode. Jo was just ‘the girlfriend’ and Jason had just opened a studio with two mates. In the time between, FTP has gone on to become one of Australia's most awarded agencies, recently named 4th in D&AD design studio polls.
It hasn’t all been smooth sailing though. Jo and Jas are the first to admit their mistakes and the roads they wished they’d not taken. In this very frank and honest episode, we look back at the ups and downs of running a business and why they never stop learning and trying to improve.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner. Give them a try at streamtime.net

Ep135 Olivia & Sam (Studio ChenChen)
This is our final episode in the mini series on ‘how design can help combat stigma’ with co-host, Myla Yeomans. This time we have the pleasure of talking with Olivia Chen and Sam Wearne about the work they do with Studio ChenChen.
We spend a bit of time talking about Chattii, a dating app that prioritises humanity and safety in rejecting the stigma of disability and letting all people find love. This project really sums up Studio ChenChen nicely, where they really immerse themselves in understanding the client and what their needs are. It’s rare that you meet a design team that integrates themselves so completely in their clients. As Olivia says, they effectively become in-house designers.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, a constant rock to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net
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Links
Studio ChenChen https://studiochenchen.com/
Chattii website https://www.chattii.com/
Studio ChenChen Instagram https://www.instagram.com/studiochenchen/
The Design Kids interview with Olivia: https://vimeo.com/582332826
Streamtime: https://streamtime.net/

Ep134 Peter Brennan (Electric & Analog/Heaps Normal)
This is our 2nd episode in a mini-series that looks at how design can help combat stigma.
For this episode we are again at the Design Conference in Brisbane, sitting on the turbine hall stage chatting with Peter Brennan, Founder & Creative Director of Electric & Analog and co-founder and head of brand for non-alcoholic beer Heaps Normal.
Pete has had an amazing career, right across the globe, from art directing for Quicksilver in South Africa, directing innovation at ATOMIC 212° in Australia and working at top agencies in the UK, he has had a wide range of experience across all parts of the industry.
It was through a few discussions that we thought Pete would be perfect for this mini-series, specifically around the role that Heaps Normal is taking in the alcohol category, where they are promoting mindful drinking, being conscious about what’s normal for you and trying to promote a sustainable change to Australia’s drinking habits. Their ad this July really caught a lot of attention where they suggested doing your best, cutting back, rather than complete abstinence — acknowledging that different things work for different people.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always finding ways to lift up the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net

Ep133 Keisha Leon (Leon Design)
The start of a new mini-series, where co-host, Myla Yeomans, asks the question, ‘how can design help combat stigma?’
In this first episode, we speak to Keisha Leon, Founder and Director at Leon Design. Keisha cut her teeth in magazine design before taking up a senior position at Lorna Jane. In 2018 she moved to Carbon Creative before deciding it was time to do her own thing.
Being a Waanyi and Kalkadoon woman, Leon Design is a First Nations owned and operated creative consultancy, specialising in conceptual design. We get into the what, why and how in the interview.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, consistently giving back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at www.streamtime.net
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Links
Leon: www.leondesign.co
Keisha LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keisha-leon/
Cancer Australia: https://leondesign.co/projects/cancer-australia/
Family Planning: https://leondesign.co/projects/family-planning-nsw/
Streamtime: https://streamtime.net/

Ep132 REISSUE Christopher Doyle (Christopher Doyle & Co.)
This time we’re doing something a little different, with our first ReIssue. This means rewinding to an old episode, pulling out a few soundbites, and getting the original guest to comment on them.
The original guest in question is Christopher Doyle who joined us way back at the start, on our 2nd show. Chris has been an ADR guest a few times so it was a real pleasure to talk with him and explore what’s changed in the 130 episodes since we first recorded.
We cover the growth and success, but also how he’s needed to scale back to find his happiness again. Chris is, as always, extremely honest and open and it’s a fascinating look into what’s next for him and the studio he’s spent so long building.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner. Give them a try at streamtime.net

Ep131 Nicki Wragg (Swinburne)
In our last episode with Co-host, Stephanie Foti, and her mini-series on ‘what makes a great designer teacher,’ Steph and Matt talk to Nicki Wragg, the Chair of Communication Design at Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne.
If you work in design education in Australia, there is a good chance you’ve come across Nicki. She is a leader in the field of teaching design and, as you’ll hear, has been doing it for more than two decades. One of the things she’s best known for is leading the team that managed to get Swinburne's Design course online. A momentous task that allowed people all over the world to experience that renowned course. She inspires both her students and her colleagues. And, has been a huge advocate for increasing the public's awareness of the value of design.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner—always giving back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net At the beginning of the episode Andy Wright mentions an article where he spoke to Blair Enns, find it here.

Ep130 Felix Oppen (Tiliqua Press & Ligature Journal)
Part two in ‘what makes a great design teacher’ and this time, Matt and co-host, Stephanie Foti, are talking to Felix Oppen from Tiliqua Press and Tiliqua Studio, makers of the award-winning Ligature Journal.
Felix has taught in Universities for over 10 years and has a passion for teaching traditional techniques, specifically where type is involved. He’s concerned with making sure students understand the knowledge, but more importantly, are able to use it. And this is why he’s gravitated to teaching people in his studio, on the letterpresses, so they can get their hands dirty and smell the ink.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always finding ways to give back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try with a 20% discount, you won't be sorry you did.

Ep129 Frankie Ratford (Designer Bootcamps)
And we’re back! We’ve had a bit of a break while we started new full-time work, parented, and thought about what the future of ADR might look like. One of the big changes we’ve made is a new format that explores one topic over three episodes with three different guests.
On this episode, Matt is joined by Stephanie Foti to interview our favourite creative nomad, Frankie Ratford. We explore the question, ‘what makes a great design teacher,’ a perfect question for Frankie who has been holding Designers Bootcamps all around the world, allowing people to question what it is they want from their career and hit the reset button if they need to.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always finding ways to give back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try with a 20% discount, you won't be sorry you did.
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Frankie’s website / Frankie’s Insta / Designer’s Bootcamp / The Design Kids / The Aframe

Ep128 with Joyce N Ho
If you had to describe what Joyce does, which is incredibly diverse, you’d probably settle on creative direction and motion design, but we’d suggest going and checking out her personal website, joycenho.com — just to see the range of stuff she’s been involved in.
Many people in Australia will know her from her time at JosephMark and Breeder in Brisbane, where she started as a junior designer working her way up to creative lead before leaving for New York. Joyce’s position at Buck is pretty new when we recorded this interview, so we chat a little about how different it is from her freelancing gigs, of which she is best known for and has been doing in the States for nearly five years. We also have a chance to delve into some of her projects for Riot Games, Patriot Act and Semi Permanent.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, not just for the support they give us but for the support they give the whole Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net/adr2020 and get a 20% discount just for being an ADR listener.
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Links
Joyce Web: www.joycenho.com/
Insta: www.instagram.com/joyce.n.ho/
Vimeo: vimeo.com/joycenho
Joyce’s artwork: vsual.co/shop/joycenho
Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/joycenho/
Buck: buck.co/
SP Workshop: www.schoolofmotion.com/workshops/abstraction-meets-radical-collaboration
Breeder: breederstudio.com/
JosephMark: www.josephmark.com.au/
Streamtime: streamtime.net/adr2020

Ep127 with James (Gilmore) Duru
This episode we focused on James, how he and DesignStudio ended up in Australia, his thoughts on leadership in design, what he thinks about the Australian design scene and why he’s passionate about teaching the next generation of designers.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, always trying to give back to the Australian design industry. Give them a try at streamtime.net
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Links
DesignStudio: design.studio/
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/james-duru-559a9912/
Semi-P: semipermanent.com/profiles/james-gilmore-semi-permanent-design-festival-2018
5 Things I wasn’t Taught at Uni: www.shillingtoneducation.com/blog/5-things-wasnt-taught-uni-james-gilmore/
Streamtime: streamtime.net/

Ep126 with Sam Bucolo
Sam is based in Brisbane and it was during a lockdown so apologies in advance for the bad audio quality. What we spoke about was amazing though, everything from what Sam’s PhD was all about, to his book about design leading the way and of course The Australian Design Council, why it’s been reformed and what they are planning to do with it.
Sam has an absolute wealth of knowledge in design and where it fits in within Australia. So, expect a number of tangents that focus on how we can help raise the value of design in the eyes of the public and decision makers.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, helping keep the lights on in these strange times. Give them a try at streamtime.net
Links
Streamtime: streamtime.net/
Australian Design Council: australiandesigncouncil.org/
Are we there yet book: www.bispublishers.com/are-we-there-yet.html
Good Design Australia: good-design.org/about/design-council/

EP125 with Dan Agostino
Hailing from Perth, Dan joined The Brand Agency in 2007 and over the years his role has grown to Head of Design. The 150+ people agency has offices in Perth, Melbourne and Auckland and covers project management, creative and design, content and production, brand activation, PR and social, technology, media, search and analytics, strategy, UX and CX.
We spoke with Dan about the design scene in Perth and dove into some of the stand out projects they have launched including Active Armidale and the brilliant Hungry Puffs campaign for Foodbank. Dan speaks candidly about the purpose of the projects and also how and why they help deliver economic growth, opportunity, health and stability to society.
We hope you enjoy this first episode of ADR in 2021 brought to you by our friends at Streamtime. Support the podcast by supporting our one and only partner. If you haven’t tried it before, see how Streamtime can help you run things more efficiently. streamtime.net
Links:
Dan Agostino
www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-agostino
www.brandagency.com.au
Mentions:
Hungry puffs www.brandagency.com.au/perth/work/2020/hungry-puffs-foodbank
www.brandagency.com.au
www.brandagency.com.au/Perth/work/2019/the-city-of-armadale-active-armdale
www.brandagency.com.au/perth/brand-xp
streamtime.net/blog/10-tips-and-tricks-in-streamtime
www.adobe.com/max/2020/sessions/why-your-workplace-culture-is-probably-killing-you-od5132.html
ADR
www.facebook.com/ausdesignradio
bit.ly/youtubeadr
soundcloud.com/ausdesignradio
open.spotify.com/show/3lmn16MGbEdG31jbpYmebY
ausdesignradio.com

EP124 with Ros Moriarty
Their work includes everything from branding and digital products to curating public art and cultural design principles. They believe in location-specific relationships and outcomes, leading them to work with and engage Aboriginal stakeholders across the nation. This puts them in a very authentic position, being able to communicate legacy of place — something that has been ignored for too long in modern Australian society.
In this discussion, we dig into Ros’ background and how she moved from journalism to design, the meeting of John and being accepted into his family. We look in-depth at the studios offerings and consider how much has changed, but also, how much further we have to go in increasing Australia’s understanding of its First People.
As always, a big thank you to Streamtime, our supporting partner, helping keep the lights on in these strange times. Give them a try at streamtime.net
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Links
Balarinji: www.balarinji.com.au
Ros’ website: www.rosmoriarty.com.au
Ros’ publishers site: allenandunwin.com/authors/m/ros-moriarty
Ros Twitter: twitter.com/RosMoriarty
Ros LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/rosmoriarty
Moriarty Foundation: www.moriartyfoundation.org.au
Balarinji art and design collection: www.nma.gov.au/explore/collection/highlights/balarinji
Streamtime: streamtime.net
SBS Inclusion Program: inclusion-program.com.au

EP123 with Monique Kneepkens
We speak all about what it means to ‘do good’ and how they work with their clients. We look at shining a spotlight on indigenous artists and designers and how Australians can get more in touch with the real history of this beautiful island.
So prepare yourself from some slightly delayed laughter (as the stream catches up) and a difference in the microphone sound — thank you to Monique for being so patient.
Big thanks as always to our amazing partner Streamtime for keeping us going through tough times. Try Streamtime: streamtime.net
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Links
Carbon Creative web: www.carbon-creative.com.au
Carbon Creative FaceBook: www.facebook.com/carboncreativeau
Carbon Creative Instagram: instagram.com/carboncreativeau/
Monique LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/monique-kneepkens-90b09920/
Fries Need Mayonaise: friesneedmayonnaise.com
SBS Inclusion Program: inclusion-program.com.au/
AGDA QLD Design That Gives a F*ck!: www.agda.com.au/news/design-that-gives-a-f-ck-speaker-monique-kneepkens
Mirella at Vertigo: studiovertigo.com.au/
Mirella at Womentor: womentor.com.au/
Matt at Foundry LIVE: vimeo.com/myfoundry

EP122 with Michael Wong
We also delve into Michael's past and look at the experiences that formed Mizko. Growing up, somewhat of an outsider, we were keen to understand where his incredible energy and motivation came from. It’s a great story of never-ending optimism and seeing the opportunity in everything.
As always, much love to Streamtime — we love you guys. If you haven’t tried them out, do it now. Unsurprisingly, they were shortlisted for this year's Webbys. We have our fingers and toes crossed. ADR listeners get a special discount by following this link: streamtime.net/adr2020
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Links
Raw Studio: raw.studio
Raw on Dribble: dribbble.com/rawstudio
Raw on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/rawstudioco
Raw on Twitter: twitter.com/rawstudioco
Mizko: www.mizko.net
Mizko on Insta: www.instagram.com/mizko
Mizko on Twitter: twitter.com/mizko
Streamtime: streamtime.net/
Streamtime Webby: streamtime.net/vote-for-streamtime-at-the-webbys

EP121 with Andrew Hochradel
Andrew is a brand identity designer from Los Angeles, CA, who creates visual systems that are sustainable, innovative, and engaging. He's often found speaking, teaching and entertaining at physical and online events like Adobe Live, CreativeMornings, Creative South and Circles.
Andrew's ability to entertain and teach is what got us talking in the first place, and this episode is no departure, we spoke about teaching online vs the classroom, stirring up creativity in others, semiotics, emu's and more.
Thanks to Streamtime for keeping ADR going especially during these unprecedented times! ADR listeners get a special discount if you use the following link streamtime.net/adr2020
andrewhochradel.com
dribbble.com/HochDotCo
www.behance.net/hochdotco
hoch.co/canceledcon
www.nevernotcreative.org/posts/research-covid-effects-study

EP120 with Nick Moir
Known as the ‘fire guy’, Nick has built a reputation on capturing award-winning imagery and being in the right place, at the right time. He passes it off as being lucky, but the passion of his descriptions and depth of his research suggests it's more about his genuine commitment and love of the profession.
Beginning at SMH at the tender age of 17, Nick co-founded the Oculi collective with other well-known documentary photographers. We look at why a group like this was needed and how it has evolved through the evolution of the web and social media. We touch on storm chasing and end up discussing the fires that dominated headlines at the end of 2019. Hearing Nick relate the experience gives you an insight into an event we shouldn’t soon forget. If you haven’t seen his work we’d suggest you check it out while you are listening to get the full experience.
Thank you to Streamtime for making ADR episodes happen, try it out and get a discount at streamtime.net/adr2020
Links:
Nick’s website: www.nickmoirphoto.com/
Nick Insta: www.instagram.com/nampix/
Oculi website: www.oculi.com.au/
SMH stories and features: www.smh.com.au/by/nick-moir-h10ewz
TAKE Magazine: www.instagram.com/take_magazine/
Great video of Nick talking through his shots: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUFvFtNRMzY

EP119 with Alex Skougarevskaya
Alex has had just about every job title designer can have, from her start as a 'graphics monkey' to a 'speck' in the big world of Advertising before the Global Financial Crisis. She's been a web, visual, graphic and interactive designer before moving her way over to Atlassian.
We spoke to Alex in the lead up to her talk at NoBs conference where she'll be talking about the Atlassian Design System, so we spoke a bit about working with teams around the world to her new adventure moving to San Francisco.
We spoke about getting things done, which is what Streamtime does for us! If you don't already use Streamtime give it a go for free over at streamtime.net/adr2020
Heading to the NoBS conference? Use the link below for a special ADR discount at checkout events.humanitix.com/no-bs-conference?discountcode=ADR
twitter.com/skougs
www.linkedin.com/in/alexskougarevskaya
www.atlassian.com/team-playbook

EP118 with Tegan Wotton
Tegan has an interesting career path which we get stuck into straight away, growing up in the bush has given her a strong connection to her home and what the idea of home can be. Unsurprisingly she has found herself working with a band of likeminded designers at Space Between Melbourne, where is the design director.
Outside of her design role, she also co-hosts the Melbourne chapter of Ladies Wine Design, we touch on the importance of networks and space like this for women and non-binary people and spent some time talking about Eat Town, another side project of hers. Eat town is dedicated to cataloguing the best places in China town to eat. She even has a ramen tattoo.
Hosting this episode was Matt Leach and Flyn Tracy.
Support is thanks to our friends at Streamtime. Try it for free and if you like it use this link to get a discount: streamtime.net/adr2020
Links
www.instagram.com/eat_town
ladieswinedesign.com
spacebetween.com.au
www.carolynfraser.com/about
thedesignkids.org/interviews/space-between
Australian Charities for Bush Fire Appeal
www.redcross.org.au
www.wildlifevictoria.org.au
www.wilderness.org.au
www.wires.org.au
www.gofundme.com/f/fire-relief-fund-for-first-nations-communities

EP117 with Johanna Matt and Flyn
It’s that time of the year when everyone is winding down for Christmas… who are we kidding, everyone is frantically trying to get things finished before the enforced shut down. Either way, the ADR crew decided to sit down and chew the fat (as a vegetarian, Matt finds that somewhat offensive), review the year, pinpoint highlights and favourite interviews, before looking forward to what 2020 might bring. Can you believe it’s nearly 2020?!
We also just wanted to say thank you, to the listeners, for all the great support you’ve given us throughout this year. 2019 was a big period of growth for ADR with new presenters coming onboard, Johanna fixing our social and generally just getting better at running a podcast. All the feedback and suggestions we’ve received have been amazing. Keep it coming.
A massive thank you to Streamtime as well. Longtime supporters and friends of ADR, it’s been wonderful to have them involved for so long. If you’re new to Streamtime use this link to get an ADR discount: streamtime.net/adr2020
Links:
www.instagram.com/johanna_aneman
www.instagram.com/matt_leach
www.instagram.com/flyntracy
www.streamtime.net/adr2020
www.interbrand.com/au/work/g-ay-mate

EP116 with Craig Black
In this episode, we spoke with Craig Black a graphic designer, lettering artist and typographer.
Craig is Scottish born and after spending some time in London, he currently runs his own design studio in Gourock, Scotland. He has a diverse style and doesn’t seem to be tied down to any single medium or aesthetic. This has led to an impressive list of clients from all over the globe and a growing list of speaking gigs. Also, he’s just a great guy.
Quite early on Craig talks about how he feels it’s his responsibility to be helping others achieve their goals and encourages people to be proud of their achievements whatever they are. The culture of overtime, his approach to work-life balance and switching off. A big believer in positive affirmations, Craig talks about the value in congratulating yourself more in your work and for personal and professional achievements.
We spoke about how much people connect with artists and designers who put themselves within their work and the value of community including Craig’s initiative in Scotland called Creative Inverclyde, working with prisoners and the value of creativity.
Hosting this episode was Prue Jones and Flyn Tracy. Thank you AGDA for hooking us up with Craig Black during his speaking tour.
Support is thanks to our friends at Streamtime. Try it for free and if you like it use this link to get a discount: streamtime.net/adr2020
Links
craigblackdesign.com
www.linkedin.com/in/craig-black-28a89968
www.instagram.com/_craigblack
www.creativeinverclyde.com/team
www.instagram.com/prudencemjones
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourock

EP115 with Andrew Ashton
When it comes to the Australian design industry, there are few as supportive and as accomplished as Andrew Ashton. Across his 30+ professional years, he has consistently advocated on behalf of Aussie creatives and built an international reputation that has seen him awarded many times over. At 34, Andrew was made one of the youngest members of the prestigious Alliance Graphique Internationale, at that time, only the 8th Australian to be invited.
Andrew is great to talk to. Conversations with him tend to roam all over the creative landscape. His experience and thoughtful insight give a unique perspective on what is occurring in the industry. In this episode we dig into his past, look at design in the internet age and talk about what it means to be an Australian creative.
As a testament to his practice, Andrew raised the bar for our guests by turning up with a song playlist, an original poster and three poems that covered the main chapters of the episode. We got him to read the poems on air and they are definitely worth digging into to discover their meanings.
It was a real honour to sit and chat with Andrew, we hope you enjoy it as much as we did. As always, we’d love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks again to Streamtime, longtime supporters of ADR. If you’re new to Streamtime use this link to get an ADR discount: streamtime.net/adr2020
Links:
Work Art Life: www.workartlife.com
Power House Project: www.workartlife.com/project/powerhouse
Nite Art: www.niteart.com.au
Andrew on AGI: a-g-i.org/user/Andrew/view/projects
Work Art Life Insta: www.instagram.com/workartlife
Behance: www.behance.net/byworkartlife
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/thinkingbyandrewashton
People Things Blog: peoplethings.com
Future underground people: peoplethings.com/andblog
Neo Koala: neokoala.com
Paper Tiger Exhibition: nas.edu.au/events/exhibition-paper-tigers

EP114 with Nick Gower and Saakshi Muralidhar
Mentally friendly is a group in Sydney that works with health, education, finance, and government to deliver wellbeing at scale. Nick is one of the founders of the business and an advisor to senior product leaders and clients, Saakshi is a senior organisational designer who started her career in product design, you’ll hear some of her journey in the episode.
Both Flyn and Matt have a long history with Mentally Friendly, Matt has known the founders, Nick and Jon longer from time spent at Billy Blue College of Design back in the day and Flyn worked with them on Tractor Design School. Don’t bother googling it, it doesn’t exist more. Wah.
We spoke about design and innovation, operational design, moving from task-based design to more team-based missions and ‘making good intentions real’ as Nick put it so well. We heard about Mentally Friendly’s hiring process where they look for softer skills rather than hard skills and often find applicants are better suited to roles they haven’t even thought of, which was backed up nicely by Saakshi’s story.
We hope you like the episode, let us know what you think!
Big thanks to Streamtime for their support. If you’re new to Streamtime use this link to get an ADR discount streamtime.net/adr2020
Links
mentallyfriendly.com
www.linkedin.com/in/nickgowermf
www.linkedin.com/in/saakshi
Nick Gower in episode 12 soundcloud.com/ausdesignradio/ep12-nick-gower-on-finding-opportunity-in-the-midst-of-chaos
www.mentally-healthy.org
The Paul Rand quote is “Don’t try to be original, just try to be good.” Flyn 0 – Paul Rand 1 www.logodesignlove.com/paul-rand-video

EP113 with Joe Macleod
With a 20+ year career in product design, both digital and tangible, Joe has a wealth of experience in UX and HCD. During his time at Nokia and as Head of Design at UsTwo, Joe became concerned about the end of the customer journey and started a campaign to make off-boarding as important as on-boarding. This ultimately led him to write a book called ‘Ends.’ and launch the World's first customer ending consulting business: ‘andEnd.’
In Joe’s own words, focusing on the end may seem counterintuitive and a hard sell to a client that is all about shipping product. So, throughout this episode, we unpack why ‘clean and considered endings’ should be seen as a competitive advantage, not as a barrier to sale. Joe has spent over 15 years thinking about this and has case studies galore but we also find time to relive the early days of UsTwo, when Nokia was the king of phones and how a “profoundly” dyslexic person went about writing a book.
Special thanks to our friends Streamtime for their ongoing support. Check them out at www.streamtime.net/adr2020 to get an exclusive 20% listener discount!
Links:
andEnd. www.andend.co
Twitter: twitter.com/mrmacleod
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/josephmacleod
Ends. in print: www.amazon.com.au/Ends-Overlook-Products-Services-Shouldnt/dp/9163936445
Ends. in Audible: www.audible.com.au/pd/Ends-Why-We-Overlook-Endings-for-Humans-Products-Services-and-Digital-and-Why-We-Shouldnt-Audiobook/B07NJD1TCB
Include Design Twitter: twitter.com/IncludeDesign
UsTwo: www.ustwo.com
UX Australia: www.uxaustralia.com.au/conferences/ux-australia-2019/speaker/joe-macleod-2019/

EP112 with Chi Ryan
Chi Ryan makes meaningful products, services and experiences for humans, and humanity — and she’s passionate about empowering others to do the same. She has worked with many of the big names in service design including Fjord, Isobar and Idean and she is now the experience strategy lead at PwC.
We talked about Ancient Egypt and Graham Hancock, using video and motion to communicate, teaching and learning, the circular economy and how we can wake people up to think differently. Chi also shared The Circular Design Program and highlighted the responsibility designers have towards fighting to eradicate industrial waste and pollution.
Special thanks to our friends Streamtime for their ongoing support. Check them out at streamtime.net. Get a free account. Try them out. It'll be time well spent.
Links:
grahamhancock.com
Do What You Can’t
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7dSXcfVqE
Jodorowsky’s Dune Trailer www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4OCeSTL08
Jodorowsky meets Kanye West www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Qdc2ggPHc
The Circular Design Program
www.dezeen.com/2019/06/11/ellen-macarthur-circular-economy-designers/
Kaching Film
kachingfilm.com

EP111 with Steve Baty
Let’s just get this out of the way, Steve is a mad cyclist, so we begin there before he expertly links it back to service design, user experience and how to solve ‘dumb shit’ quickly. Steve has an uncanny ability to see the core of the problem and we talk through a range of case studies that explain Melds approach.
The team at Meld is incredibly diverse, with a wide range of experience and skills, not normally seen in a studio. We discuss this and also look at the importance of community and Steve’s role in UX Book Club, the Good Design Council of Australia, IxDA and the UX Australia conferences. At some point Matt manages to steer the conversation towards education (surprise surprise) and Steve’s multiple academic qualifications.
Special thanks to our friends Streamtime for their ongoing support. Check them out at streamtime.net. Get a free account. Try them out. It’’ll be time well spent.
Thank you also to Adobe for lending us their Adobe LIVE sound room to record in. Go to adobeapaclive.com to see their library of video tutorials.
Photo credit: Emma Nevison www.emmanevison.com
Links:
Meld Studios: www.meldstudios.com.au
Meld Studios Instagram: www.instagram.com/meldstudios
Steve Instagram: www.instagram.com/docbaty
Steve LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty
UX Australia: www.uxaustralia.com.au
UX Book Club SYD: www.uxbookclubsydney.com/home
Good Design Council of Australia: good-design.org
IxDA: ixda.org
Streamtime: streamtime.net
Adobe LIVE: www.adobeapaclive.com

EP110 with Benni Weller and Mikey Hart
Benni and Mikey are both Creative Directors at Hulsbosch based in Sydney. Hulsboch is known for creating iconic brands and working with big-name clients throughout Australia and Mikey and Benni find themselves today as creative leaders.
We spoke about their different paths to where they are today, the pros and cons of specialising vs generalising as a designer, collaboration and the value of diversity in creative teams.
ADR episodes stay on time and on track thanks to our partners at Streamtime! It's creative project management software that works. Try it streamtime.net.
Links:
benniweller.de
linkedin.com/in/mikeyhart
hulsbosch.com.au

EP109 with Kenjiro Kirton

EP108 with Ben Johnston and Alex Naghavi
We began by talking about working and living in LA and projects with famous people, we spent some time at Adam Sandler’s Christmas Party and the gushed about the Hemsworth's.
We later got deep into the future of sex, getting old, sexual compatibility scores and our cognitive load, venturing and investing in people (rather than an idea).
ADR episodes stay on time and on track thanks to our partners at Streamtime! It's creative project management software that works. Try it streamtime.net.
Big thanks to guest host Prue Jones and The Design Conference for having us.
Links:
www.josephmark.com.au
www.alexnaghavi.com
www.instagram.com/thebrokecollector_
www.thefallsfarm.com

EP107 with Amanda Munilla
Amanda, not a designer by trade has had a non-linear path into managing at one of the biggest creative firms in the World. Deciding not to be a lawyer was only the beginning and she has since gone on to build a strong career in strategy. With that in mind, we get into what strategy means, how it’s changed and how Amanda explains it to clients.
Amanda is also a big supporter of Womentor. So we get into what it is, why she got involved and why it’s needed in the industry — now more than ever. We touch on the fact that Wolff Olin's office heads, around the World, are all female. Amanda has a lot to say on this and is passionate that diversity isn’t a token action.
Huge thanks to Prue Jones and Andy Wright who co-hosted, our mates at Streamtime and The Design Conference. You guys rock!
Check out streamtime.net. Project management software for creative agencies.
Links:
Wolff Olins website: www.wolffolins.com
Wolff Olins Insta: www.instagram.com/wolffolins
Amanda Insta: www.instagram.com/pilar24
Amanda LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/amandamunilla
TDCB recap: www.wolffolins.com/the-design-conference-2019-recap
Womentor website: www.womentor.com.au
Prue Insta: www.instagram.com/prudencemjones
Andy Insta: www.instagram.com/adwrighty
Never Not Creative website: www.nevernotcreative.org
NNC Insta: www.instagram.com/nvrnotcreative

EP106 with Tea Uglow
Tea Uglow is one of those very few people who genuinely make you rethink everything you thought you knew. This episode is full of interesting insights into how we can think about technology, inclusiveness, design, and accommodation.
We talk very briefly about her early days at Google in 2006 and how she didn’t particularly see herself working there for long, fast forwarding to today where she works in the idea of information, space and how digital works with humans, technology and culture. We covered how experimentation can be part success and part disaster, our relationship with truth in communication, ethics, inclusiveness and framing problems.
Big thank you to special guest host Prue Jones, our friends at Streamtime and The Design Conference Brisbane.
Check out streamtime.net to keep on top your projects. Admin without feeling like admin.
Links
teau.me
research.ambientlit.com
JFK Unsilenced campaign: www.thedrum.com/news/2018/06/22/cannes-lions-the-day-jfk-unsilenced-wins-creative-data-grand-prix-cannes

EP105 with Mills and Sinx

EP104 with Andrea Lau
We also spend some time on what it’s like to run a niche studio in an emerging area and why data specialists are becoming such hot property. Towards the end, we discuss the crossover point between data visualisation and art and look at how, as a studio, Small Multiples is trying to present data in non-typical ways — in boutique chocolates for example.
As always special thanks to Streamtime for their steadfast support and motivation. If you haven’t tried their software yet, well, you’re wasting time, literally.
Special thanks to John Allsopp from web directions for connecting us with Andrea.
Links:
Streamtime streamtime.net
Small Multiples: www.smallmultiples.com.au
Visualise Today: www.blog.smallmultiples.com.au
Bakedown Cakery: www.bakedowncakery.com
Hello Sun: www.hellosunapp.com
Not A single Origin: notasingleorigin.com
Immigrant maps: smallmultiples.com.au/projects/mapping-immigrants-birth-places
Framework for designing amazing maps: smallmultiples.com.au/articles/what-to-think-about-when-designing-maps
School planning: smallmultiples.com.au/projects/school-planning-assistance-tool
Tim Berners-Lee and data: 5stardata.info/en/ and solid.inrupt.com
We Feel Fine: wefeelfine.org/ and number27.org/wefeelfine

EP103 with Pip Jamieson
Many in Australia will know Pip as the co-founder of The Loop before she moved back to the UK in 2014 to begin the Dots. She’s incredibly curious, constantly learning new things and with a signature infectious laugh — it’s impossible not to be inspired by her. Especially when you consider she is dyslexic, which she considers her ‘superpower’. The Dots is fast positioning itself as the main alternative to LinkedIn so we also manage to get into the details of what makes them different and what’s next.
As always special thanks to Streamtime for their steadfast support and motivation. If you haven’t tried their software yet, well, you’re wasting time, literally.
Links:
Streamtime streamtime.net
The Dots: the-dots.com
Pip’s Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pip_Jamieson
Pip in Marie Claire: www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/pip-jamieson-578139
Creative Review Top 50 Leaders: the-dots.com/projects/pip-jamieson-named-one-of-creative-review-s-creative-leaders-50-of-2017-176795
Pip on Monocle: monocle.com/radio/shows/the-entrepreneurs/216

EP102 with Mark Stott

EP101 with Ben Miles
Ben has been with Interbrand for over a decade and during that time has seen it evolve and change — this is what Ben terms the ‘three horizons of Interbrand Australia’. We spend some time unpacking these periods, why people made the culture and how the studio has tried to ‘stand apart’ from what is expected of them. We also discuss the new ownership and how big data will further evolve the studio.
Matt often refers to Ben as the most optimistic designer he knows, thus the idea of optimism, blind or realistic, is discussed and how Ben’s view on it has changed. Throughout this episode we dig into specific projects (Telstra, G’ AY MATE and The Prince Akatoki), exploring the concepts and how the ideas developed. Ben is a big believer of ideas, but he always wants to know what happens next, how does it grow and get people behind it.
Special thanks to Streamtime for their steadfast support and motivation. If you haven’t tried their software yet, well, you’re wasting time, literally.
Links:
Streamtime streamtime.net
Ben Miles Instagram www.instagram.com/benmilesaway
Interbrand Australia www.interbrand.com/au
G’ AY MATE vimeo.com/266815002
Telstra Case Study vimeo.com/51031917
FITCH www.fitch.com/home
AGDA NEW vimeo.com/89462677

EP100 Katja Forbes on Strength and Gumption

EP99 with Zoë and Tash on Directing and Direction
Specialising in fashion, retail, luxury property and consumer goods eskimo design has been a colourful part of the Australian design tapestry for twenty years. Recently, Zoë and Tash have both taken a sabbatical, we unpack what that means, what’s next amid our jealousy.
We spoke about the years working together before eskimo at Vogue Australia, founding an agency 20 years ago and managing a business in a constantly changing and adapting environment.
We spoke about juggling mentorship and business growth, family and life before diving into women in leadership, support, change and photographing Kate Blanchett.
Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime. Without their support, we couldn’t do half of what we have. streamtime.net
Links:
eskimodesign.com.au
instagram.com/snowyzoeeskimo

EP98 with Rob Self-Pierson on Words and Verbs

EP97 with Carlo Giannasca on Limelight and Curtains
Carlo Giannasca is a multi-award-winning graphic and three-dimensional environmental designer. He is the Head of Urbanite, Design Director and one of the founder/owners of Frost*collective. On top of that, he is the joint chair of Sydney's SEGD chapter (The Society for Experiential Graphic Design).
In this episode, we chart Carlo’s introduction to design, from drawing on his bedroom walls to hassling Garry Emery into giving him his first job. With over 30 years of experience, Carlo has seen the industry dramatically change in Australia, we look at this but also explore why he made the move from traditional graphic design to environments.
We also delve into the idea of self-promotion. With all the success Carlo has had, he’s always preferred to stay out of the spotlight, preferring to keep on the tools as much as possible, taking an active part in building and shaping teams, rather than a profile.
Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime. Without their support, we couldn’t do half of what we have, or what we have planned for the next 97 episodes. streamtime.net
Also thanks to Kevin Finn (The Sum Of) who jumped in to co-host on this episode. thesumof.com.au
Links:
Frost*collective: frostcollective.com.au
Urbanite: frostcollective.com.au/urbanite
SEGD: segd.org
InDesign Live article w/ Nick Bannikoff discussing the state of XGD in Australia: indesignlive.com/the-peeps/state-ux-design-australia-nick-bannikoff-carlo-giannasca-convo
Foundry Live presentation: foundry.com.au/education/foundry-live/carlo-giannasca

EP96 with Mike Rigby on Disruption and Design
This episode could’ve gone in many different directions because when you talk Mike, you quickly realise he has a vast depth of knowledge when it comes to not only design but explaining and thinking about design. A master communicator, Mike can make the complex simple and the impossible seem possible.
We spoke about his time at University which Mike credits to teaching him how to think and The Chase where he learned how to design. How mike fell in love with design and what it can do, his time in the UK, Australia and a few selected projects happening at R/GA.
Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime who help make our episodes possible. streamtime.net 🤘
This is the last episode in a series recorded at #AdobeMAX co-supported by Adobe and HP, big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner! 🙌
Mike
twitter.com/mikerigby
mike-rigby.com/About-Mike-Rigby
instagram.com/mikerigby
Connected brands | TNW Conference 2018
youtube.com/watch?v=X_KOIt3TbPs
Mike speaking to the legendary Debbie Millman
soundcloud.com/designmatters/design-matters-with-debbie-millman-mike-rigby

EP95 with Jessica Hische on Encouragement and Bravery
Jessica hardly needs an introduction, she is a creative icon and well known for her illustration work, side projects and phenomenal client work. But for those out there who may not know her, she is described on her website as a lettering artist and author with a tendency to overshare and a penchant for procrastiworking.
We spoke about design and life, having children, coming up with ideas and her new amazing book Tomorrow I’ll be Brave. Where her thinking starts when creating a book and how it’s different than creating other design project work.
It truly was a pleasure to spend some time talking with Jess, the audio has a bit of background noise as it was recorded in the media room at Adobe MAX.
Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime who help make our episode possible. streamtime.net 🤘
Our Adobe MAX series is co-supported by Adobe and HP. Big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner! 🙌
Jessica Hische
jessicahische.is
instagram.com/jessicahische
tomorrowillbebrave.com

EP94 with Mark Heaps on Life and Fulfilment
In this episode, we spoke with Mark Heaps, designer and synergist.
Mark is an American designer from Austin Texas who studied art and design in the UK. With his wife, he runs a service group with a small team of designers and production experts. This episode was recorded in Los Angeles as part of our Adobe Max series.
We spoke about the beginning of his career and how when his friends were drawn to sketching transformers, he was recreating logos and type from he-man and music albums, his love for ketchup, growing up fascinated in technology, skateboarding, the DIY movement, music and being productive and never wanting to be bored.
Big thanks as always to our friends at Streamtime who help make our episode possible. streamtime.net 🤘
Our Adobe MAX series is co-supported by Adobe and HP big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner! 🙌
Mark Heaps
markheaps.com
instagram.com/lifebypixels
twitter.com/lifebypixels
Links mentioned
heshootshedrawspodcast.simplecast.fm/5f795982
voicesofimpact.com/mark-heaps

EP93 with Birgit Palma on Imagination and Impossibility

EP92 with Adam JK on We're Going to Die
In this episode, we spoke with Adam J Kurtz a designer, artists, author and more from Brooklyn. He is best known for the honesty and humour in his work and his books. True to his online presence, Adam was open, honest, funny and personal when we caught up for a sneaky chat in a press room at Adobe MAX.
We spoke about Adam’s history moving to New York, that time he built a fan site for The Veronica’s, the internet, design, depression, taking ourselves too seriously and the fun fact that we’re all going to die.
Thanks to our mates at Streamtime – it’s project management software we couldn’t live without. They’re also behind Never Not Creative who have a great podcast we think ADR listeners will enjoy.
Our Adobe MAX series is co-supported by Adobe and HP Australia – big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner! 🙌
Links
adamjkurtz.com
instagram.com/adamjk
twitter.com/adamjk
shop.adamjk.com/book
twitter.com/nvrnotcreative

EP91 with Lauren Hom on Juice and Squeeze
In this episode, we spoke with Lauren Hom a designer and letterer based in Detroit, schooled in New York, and raised in Los Angeles. Lauren is well known for her bright colour palettes, playful letterforms, and quirky copywriting. Lauren is highly intelligent, funny, passionate about what she does and has an infectious laugh that made this episode incredibly fun.
We spoke about her original plans to be a Creative Director and studied at The School of Visual Arts and how lettering was a ’thing on the side’ we spoke about some of her lettering projects, freelancing, picking up book deals, marketing and building a body of work.
Thanks, as always, to our good friends at Streamtime – It’s project management software we couldn’t live without. They’re also behind Never Not Creative who have a great podcast we think ADR listeners will enjoy. anchor.fm/nevernotcreative
Our Adobe MAX series is co-supported by Adobe and HP Australia big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner
Links
homsweethom.com
instagram.com/homsweethom
behance.net/homsweethom
streamtime.net

EP90 with Mark Conlan on Discovery and Refinement
Mark is a multi disciplined Illustrator from Dublin working and living in Melbourne Australia, Marks work is a combination of emotion, fantastic worlds, playful characters and a beautiful colour palate. Mark creates conceptual based illustration for products, editorial, publishing, advertising campaigns and one-off commissions for clients all around the world.
We spoke about his journey to where he is today, from always being curious and a ‘doodler’ growing up, his animation course in Ireland to graduating during the recession and working for a few years before moving to Melbourne with his partner. It was in Australia that Mark discovered and refined his style by working on one piece of work every day.
Thanks, as always, to our good friends at Streamtime. It’s with their support we’ve been able to get s**t done. It’s project management software we couldn’t live without. They’re also behind Never Not Creative who have a great podcast, take a look! anchor.fm/nevernotcreative
Our Adobe MAX series is co-supported by @adobe and @hpaustralia big thanks to them for getting us to LA as an #adobepartner! 🙌
Mark
instagram.com/markconlan
markconlan.com
Links Mentioned
madebyfern.co
vimeo.com/243244233