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Decouple

By Dr. Chris Keefer

There are technologies that decouple human well-being from its ecological impacts. There are politics that enable these technologies. Join me as I interview world experts to uncover hope in this time of planetary crisis.
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Ecomodernism's Arch Pragmatist feat. Ted Nordhaus

DecoupleNov 16, 2020

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Just how cheap are wind & solar?
Sep 29, 202301:21:11
How Ontario Decarbonized

How Ontario Decarbonized

Dr. Keefer’s speech at Minerals Week in Australia sharing the story of Ontario’s coal phaseout & the decarbonization of its electricity grid.


Sep 15, 202341:03
The Geothermal Masterclass

The Geothermal Masterclass

Enhanced geothermal has been a scientific white whale since the 1970’s but a recent breakthrough announcement is causing waves. Is Baseload cool again? Will enhanced geothermal eat nuclear’s lunch or for that matter renewable’s lunch?
The potential to unlock the energy potential of hot dry rocks by leveraging hydraulic fracturing opens up a vast geography for exploitation as 98% of worlds geothermal resources are made up of these geologic formations.
Sep 06, 202349:48
Quebec reconsiders Nuclear. Waters up with that?

Quebec reconsiders Nuclear. Waters up with that?

As electricity demands increase Quebec is looking into refurbishing its lone mothballed CANDU reactor Gentilly-2. Mark Nelson joins us to discuss.
Aug 25, 202309:47
Jigar Shah: Breaking the Nuclear Stalemate

Jigar Shah: Breaking the Nuclear Stalemate

Today I am joined by Jigar Shah, the director of the US Department of Energy Loan Programs Office to discuss the future of nuclear, and nuclear finance in the USA.
Aug 18, 202356:01
An Oppenheimer on Oppenheimer

An Oppenheimer on Oppenheimer

Charles Oppenheimer, a serial entrepreneur in the software business and the grandson of J Robert Oppenheimer joins me to discuss the Christopher Nolan film, his Grandfather’s legacy and the organization he recently co-founded, the Oppenheimer project.
Aug 11, 202359:26
American Nuclear: The Next Chapter

American Nuclear: The Next Chapter

Physicist James Krellenstein returns for a part two to talk about America’s nuclear future.
Aug 05, 202351:22
American Nuclear: Failure to Learn, Destined to Repeat?

American Nuclear: Failure to Learn, Destined to Repeat?

“Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.” Physicist James Krellenstein joins me to deep dive the history of America’s great nuclear build out, its stalling and the age of the operator which saw capacity factors at US plants leap from 60% to 90%. How should this history inform future policy? What's the bull’s case for US nuclear going forward?
Jul 31, 202301:07:07
Gone With the Wind: Denmark’s Stalled Energy Transition
Jul 17, 202301:02:43
Embrace the Waste

Embrace the Waste

In this “Decouple Short” Madi Hilly shares the experience of her maternity photo shoot at Idaho National Laboratories and the responses so far.
Jul 10, 202313:53
The Case for CANDU
Jul 04, 202301:23:10
Bridging the Metabolic Rift

Bridging the Metabolic Rift

Inspired by the recent Breakthrough Dialogues theme of the “Metabolic Rift,”Leigh Phillips joins me for a far ranging discussion about the challenges and consequences of humanity’s decoupling from natural ecological flows. We navigate perspectives from deep geologic time on mass extinction or so called “biological revolutions,” the likelihood of modern humanity’s disentanglement from fossil fuels and the optimal mix of markets and planning required to best navigate emerging ecological threats.
Jun 29, 202301:06:08
Stormy Waters Ahead for Offshore Wind

Stormy Waters Ahead for Offshore Wind

Decouple correspondent Angelica Oung joins me to discuss the challenges facing the offshore wind industry as commodity prices rise, turbines scale ever larger and countries struggle with supply chain localization.
Jun 19, 202301:00:22
Can the Left be Saved From Itself?

Can the Left be Saved From Itself?

Ruy Texeira, an American political scientist and commentator, joins me to discuss the “5 deadly sins” of the modern left and its growing self imposed exile from the working class and production itself. These “sins” coupled with an increasing intolerance for open debate and a reflex towards de-platforming and cancel culture are crippling the Left’s ability to self analyze and correct course. What is to be done?
Jun 12, 202301:02:57
Peak Oil and the End of Globalization

Peak Oil and the End of Globalization

Systems engineer, James Fleay, joins me to discuss the unique relationship between liquid hydrocarbons and our six continent supply chains. Oil is the enabler of low cost transportation of people and goods. What does an inevitable decline in oil production, whenever it comes, mean for globalization and our future economies. What forms of economical and industrial complexity should be prioritized? All this and more in this thought provoking episode.


Jun 06, 202354:23
What About the Waste?

What About the Waste?

Madi Hilly, author of nuclear advocacy’s most viral tweet, joins me to discuss the ultimate bogeyman and best practices when it comes to talking about nuclear waste.

https://twitter.com/madihilly/status/1550148385931513856?s=46&t=N4_61zANEvl1W3Q_ehy1nw


May 28, 202301:19:34
Non-Proliferation & the Antinuclear Mind
May 22, 202301:03:56
The Uranium Masterclass

The Uranium Masterclass

Mark Nelson returns for an “Insanium Uranium Explanium!”
May 16, 202301:00:26
What’s Nu-clear in Japan

What’s Nu-clear in Japan

Robert Bryce joins me to discuss his recent trip to Japan where climate concern is at the bottom of the list of grid planning priorities in favour of energy security imperatives. We discuss the Japanese U-turn on nuclear and the prospects of nuclear restarts and new build.
May 08, 202345:18
How to Blow Up a Pipeline

How to Blow Up a Pipeline

Emmet Penney returns to offer a review of the film “How to Blow Up a Pipeline,” which is based on the work of radical Swedish geographer Andreas Malm. Read About the Movie here: https://compactmag.com/article/a-hollywood-ode-to-eco-terrorism


May 01, 202355:23
The Great Canadian Nuclear Debate

The Great Canadian Nuclear Debate

Decouple host Dr. Keefer faces off against Canada’s most prolific antinuclear activist Dr. Gordon Edwards, president of the Canadian coalition for Nuclear Responsibility, in a cordial but passionate debate on the question “Do We Need to Scale Up Nuclear Power to Combat Climate Change?”


This public debate took place at the University of Ottawa on April 25th and was hosted by Canada’s former ambassador of Climate Change and former ambassador to Chile Patricia Fuller.

Apr 27, 202301:47:59
A Eulogy for the German Atom

A Eulogy for the German Atom

Decouple’s Germany correspondent Noah Rettberg returns for a sombre discussion about the conclusion of Germany’s “Atom Exit” and its consequences.
Apr 24, 202357:54
Peak Shale: Not so fast!

Peak Shale: Not so fast!

Mark Hinaman, Director of Engineering and Innovation at Franklin Mountain Energy, joins me to give us a pad side view on Fracking and a response to claims of “Peak Shale” Mark is also the Principal and Founder of the nuclear energy think-tank, Fire2Fission and although he believes that there’s oil everywhere and natural gas is even more abundant, he explains why he thinks that nuclear is the ultimate energy source.
Apr 17, 202358:13
Barakah - A Nuclear Success Story

Barakah - A Nuclear Success Story

In an era in which the nuclear industry has struggled to deliver new nuclear power plants on time and on budget, the example of Barakah, a four APR-1400 reactor nuclear station located in the United Arab Emirates is an important success story and case study.

His Excellency Mohammed Al Hammadi, the CEO of the Emirates Nuclear Energy Corporation, has been front and center throughout the planning, construction and operation of Barakah. In this podcast he shares the vital lessons, careful planning and culture of excellence that has led to the swift and successful deployment of the Arab world's largest clean energy project.

Al Hammadi also discusses COP 28 which the UAE will host in Dubai later this year and where nuclear energy is likely to have a prominent role.
Apr 10, 202356:45
Limits to Growth for Precision Fermentation

Limits to Growth for Precision Fermentation

With concerns mounting about the biodiversity crisis, precision fermentation and cultured meats offer an enticing solution.
Proponents argue that culturing mammalian cells and fermenting macronutrients with gene edited yeast can decrease the land footprint of agriculture by 1000 times all while eliminating animal cruelty.
Skeptics like Dr. Paul Wood question whether the Moore’s law style expectations of cost reductions apply to biological systems and the scalability of these technologies.
Will precision fermentation feed billions of new hungry mouths in Africa and Asia or remain a niche product for eco-conscious wealthy elites?
Apr 03, 202301:03:17
Ontario’s Nuclear Advantage

Ontario’s Nuclear Advantage

Gary Rose, VP of New Nuclear Growth at Ontario Power Generation, builds our understand of the CANDU refurbishment program, whose successes have laid the foundation for deployment of the West’s 1st grid scale SMR, the GE Hitachi BWRX-300.

Gary and I explore the thesis that Ontario is the best equipped jurisdiction in the west to deploy new nuclear, which now extends beyond SMRs to a serious consideration of “Large Modular Reactors.”

Stay tuned for a masterclass on project management from a master of project management.

Apologies to our non-Canadian listeners for some inside baseball in terms of acronyms and Canadianism.
Mar 27, 202301:13:08
The State of the Atom

The State of the Atom

Mark Nelson delivers his annual “State of the Atom” address, taking a global look at the rapidly unfolding changes to the prospects of nuclear energy.
Mar 20, 202301:01:53
Peak Shale

Peak Shale

Today we deep dive fracking and shale, the energy source that put Peak Oil concerns on the back burner for a decade and a half. According to recent analysis by Goehring and Rozencwajg Shale field production is showing signs of sliding down the backside of Hubbert’s curve. What are the geopolitical and economic ramifications? Are there more shale booms on the horizon overseas? What are the implications for nuclear which has been sidelined in deregulated markets by cheap abundant gas? Leigh Goehring joins me for a detailed discussion. For a deeper dive check out Goehring and Rozencwajg latest quarterly analysis. http://info.gorozen.com/2022-q4-commentary-peak-oil

Mar 13, 202301:02:26
Much Ado About Tritium

Much Ado About Tritium

The topic of tritium continues to be a focal point for nuclear opponents, who use anti-science claims to stoke fear among a public they know does not, by and large, understand complex topics of radiation biology. Thus, to the victims of anti-nuclear ideology, the "science" behind tritium offers little comfort. Still, we try to do our best this week with radiation expert Dr. Geraldine Thomas.

Dr. Geraldine Thomas is a senior academic and Chair in Molecular Pathology at the Faculty of Medicine of Imperial College London. She is an active researcher in fields of tissue banking and molecular pathology of thyroid and breast cancer, and the Director of the Chernobyl Tissue bank.

Note: This episode is a rerun from April 2021.

Original shownotes:

The decision by the Japanese government to begin releasing 1.25 million tonnes of treated water from the Fukushima nuclear plant site over a 10 year period has caused a major stir not only amongst environmental NGO's but also regional countries with historic emnity to Japan.

Greenpeace alleges that radionuclides released into the sea "may damage DNA of humans and other organisms." China states that "the release is extremely irresponsible and will pose serious harm to the health and sagety of people in neighbouring countries and the international community."

So what are the politics and science behind the controversy?

The Fukushima water has been treated and the almost all radio-isotopes have been removed except for tritium. Just how dangerous is it? Tritium is a weak beta emitter with 70x less energy then the the naturally occuring and ubiquitous intracellular radioisotope Potassium 40 which undergoes 4600 radioactive decays per second in our bodies.

The health impacts of a radioisotope are multifactorial. The type of radiation emitted, the energy of that decay, the physical and biologic halflife of the isotope. The amount of tritium that one would need to drink to match a dose from something like a CT scan is simply impossible to ingest.

In response to the Fukushima accident in an effort to gain the trust of the population Japan has already reset its regulatory limits for radiation in drinking water at 1/100th that of the EU. Are these efforts actually counter productive?

Mar 08, 202347:51
How Big Things Get Done
Feb 27, 202342:40
Energy Modeling: the Good, the Bad, and the Misleading

Energy Modeling: the Good, the Bad, and the Misleading

Mark Nelson, managing director of the Radiant Energy Group, joins me for a deep dive of the uses and abuses of energy modelling. 

Intro and outro music: Malagueña by Ernesto Lecuona performed by Mark Nelson immediately prior to the interview.

Feb 21, 202301:06:03
The Climate Aristocracy
Feb 13, 202347:03
It's Not Impossible, We Just Need a Better Plan

It's Not Impossible, We Just Need a Better Plan

Dr. Simon Michaux, Associate Professor at Geometallurgy at Geological Survey of Finland, discusses the minimum requirements for a net zero future, as well as the restraints on our renewables going forward.

Read academic works by Dr. Michaux: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Simon-Michaux-2

Feb 06, 202301:07:18
Wizards and Prophets, Ecomodernists and Environmentalists w/ Charles C. Mann

Wizards and Prophets, Ecomodernists and Environmentalists w/ Charles C. Mann

Just as the political spectrum is divided between left and right, thinking on environmental problem solving is similarly split into two rival camps exemplified by the archetypes of the Wizard and the Prophet. Award winning science writer Charles Mann explores these archetypes as personified by the father of the Green Revolution, Norman Borlaug and the intellectual godfather of the environmental movement, William Vogt.

Crudely put wizards are foremost humanists who eschew limits believing that our growing population and appetites can be accommodated by the wise application of decoupling technology. Prophets are foremost environmentalists who believe that carrying capacity is limited and that humans must remain within natural energy flows or risk ecosystem and civilizational collapse.

Understanding the origins of one's opponents ideological beliefs and values goes a long way to depersonalizing a sometimes ugly debate and perhaps finding a small patch of common ground.

Prophets who have contributed some impressive advances in natural resource stewardship such as water conservation must wrestle with an ugly history of Malthusian ideas which at their worst have justified horrific campaigns of coercive population control. Despite the success of technofixes that fed billions and averted famines wizards must temper their scientific rationalism with a sociologic understanding of the dark sides of modernization such as enclosures of the commons.

Jan 30, 202301:18:32
Lignite Coal: A German Love Story

Lignite Coal: A German Love Story

Noah Rettberg, physics lab technician in training and popular Decouple guest, sheds some light on the protests regarding the expansion of the Garzweiler mine into Lützerath and unearths the deeps roots that Germany and lignite share.

Germany, with limited bituminous coal and no petroleum to speak of, has always been able to lean on its sizable lignite coal reserves. It has been transformed into anything from synthetic fuels to margarine to autobody.

Jan 23, 202344:58
Peak Oil & the End of Growth
Jan 16, 202357:20
Natrium, Coal Gasification, and Synfuels, Oh My!

Natrium, Coal Gasification, and Synfuels, Oh My!

Cal Abel, CTO of Signal Power and Light, discusses the engineering behind the sodium-cooled fast reactor Natrium, and argues for their centrality in the U.S. coal to nuclear transition, as their high temperatures could be used for the dual production of electricity and synthetic fuels from the gasification of coal.
Jan 09, 202301:05:17
What’s All the Fuss About Fusion?

What’s All the Fuss About Fusion?

Gerrit Bruhaug, based out of the Laboratory for Laser Energetics at Rochester University, joins Decouple to talk about the significance of the recent ignition event at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.

Jan 03, 202301:01:25
From Sierra Leone to Sweden: A Panel Discussion on Nuclear at COP27

From Sierra Leone to Sweden: A Panel Discussion on Nuclear at COP27

An IAEA panel discussion at COP27 on how nuclear energy intersects with the lives of individuals and a diverse array of nations including Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Egypt, South Africa, the USA and Sweden. 

Moderated by: Mark Nelson, Managing Director, Radiant Energy Group  Panelists:

  • Seth Grae - American Nuclear Society - CEO, Lightbridge Corporation
    Heba Elkomey - International Youth Nuclear Congress - PhD Candidate at Claremit, Egyptian Atomic Energy Authority
  • Amanda Mbhele - Women in Nuclear Young Generation - Nuclear Waste Projects Lead, Nuclear Energy Company of South Africa
  • Alfred Mbayoh - International Youth Nuclear Congress - CEO and Founder LEOTech Sierra Leone
  • Ia Aanstoot - Generation Atomic - Berzelius School, Linkoping, Sweden
  • Abubakar Sadiq Aliyu -International Youth Nuclear Congress - PhD Candidate in Nuclear Physics, Ahmadu Bello University
Dec 30, 202256:18
Human Factors and Nuclear Reactors

Human Factors and Nuclear Reactors

Noah Rettberg, physics lab technician in training and popular Decouple guest, updates us on Germany's return to fossil fuels and discusses a salient topic in the energy transition debate: that of human factors.
Dec 20, 202201:11:08
Mining Our Way to Net Zero

Mining Our Way to Net Zero

Dr. Simon Michaux, Associate Professor at Geometallurgy at Geological Survey of Finland, uncovers the truth about the vast mining requirements behind any proposed transition to a "clean" energy future.

Watch the Decouple Studios episode on Dr. Michaux's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19-gqgugKOc

Read academic works by Dr. Michaux: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Simon-Michaux-2

Dec 12, 202201:33:31
Mark Nelson on Pyramids & COP27 Panels

Mark Nelson on Pyramids & COP27 Panels

Mark Nelson, managing director of the Radiant Energy Group, digests COP27, whose location in Egypt leads him to reflect on the incredible structure and longevity of the pyramids and what lessons on energy they harbor for the modern observer.
Intro and outro music: Overture (Lawrence of Arabia) by Maurice Jarre, performed by Mark Nelson immediately prior to the interview.
Dec 06, 202201:08:24
Nuclear Energy at COP27

Nuclear Energy at COP27

Seth Grae, CEO of Lightbridge Corporation, reflects on the 2022 UN Climate Chance Conference, or COP27, held this year in Egypt. We discuss perceived attitudes between the global wealthy and underdeveloped nations, how nuclear was nearly left out of the language in the final negotiated statement, and how the UAE can make the most of hosting COP28 next year in Dubai.

Nov 29, 202257:09
Nuclear Energy: Climate Friend or Foe?

Nuclear Energy: Climate Friend or Foe?

Mark Nelson, managing director of the Radiant Energy Group, debates Tobias Holle, an activist with Fridays for Future Germany, at the pavilion of the International Atomic Energy Agency at COP27 in Egypt. The question at hand: is nuclear power a climate friend or foe?

This event was streamlined live on IAEA social media channels on November 15, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdAV0kVJFWk

Nov 21, 202245:03
An American Doctor’s Experience of the Chernobyl Accident

An American Doctor’s Experience of the Chernobyl Accident

A very special guest, Dr. Robert Gale, a physician and medical researcher who pioneered knowledge on bone marrow transplantation and the molecular biology and immunology of leukemia, shares his first-hand perspective on the radiation impacts of nuclear accidents, LNT, and other radiation-related topics. As a world expert in his field, Dr. Gale was asked in 1986 by Soviet Union president Mikhail Gorbachev to coordinate medical relief efforts for victims immediately after the Chernobyl accident. He has since coordinated medical responses to nuclear accidents in Brazil and Japan. Dr. Gale has published over 1000 scientific articles and more than 20 books, mostly on leukemia (biology and treatment), transplantation (biology, immunology and treatment), cancer immunology and radiation (biological effects and accident response). He has written on medical topics, nuclear energy and weapons and politics of US-Soviet relations in articles for The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, USA Today and Wall Street Journal. He has received many awards for his scientific achievements and contributions including the Presidential Award, New York Academy of Science, Scientist of Distinction Award Weizmann Institute of Science, Distinguished Alumni Award from Hobart College and Intra-Science Research Foundation Award. He holds honorary degrees including D.Sc. from Albany Medical College, L.H.D. from Hobart College and D.P.S from MacMurray College.
Nov 15, 202239:59
What is the nuclear secret sauce?

What is the nuclear secret sauce?

Kalev Kallemets, CEO of Fermi Energia, joins us once again to discuss the "secret sauce" of successful nuclear construction, and how his company is working to get new reactors built in his homeland of Estonia.
Nov 07, 202201:02:36
Diesel Powered Decoupling?

Diesel Powered Decoupling?

Nov 01, 202201:28:03
A Canada-Germany Hydrogen Scandal?

A Canada-Germany Hydrogen Scandal?

James Fleay, an Australian engineer and project manager in the energy sector, joins Dr. Keefer to discuss the "Hydrogen Alliance" proposed between Canada and Germany.  

This Hydrogen Alliance is coming under increasing scrutiny due to allegations of a conflict of interest arising out of the Premier of Newfoundland, Andrew Furey's luxury trip to a lodge owned by Canadian billionaire John Risley this summer. 

Risley happens to be one of the principal investors in a project called Nujio’qonik, one of three projects competing to be part of the Canada German Hydrogen Alliance alongside EverWind Fuels in Nova Scotia and the Port of Belledune project in New Brunswick.

Beyond a potential political scandal lies a very real energy scandal. 

Fleay describes the chemistry, thermodynamics, and economics required to turn electrons generated by wind turbines in Canada into ammonia to be shipped across the Atlantic to be burned in German Power plants, a process which he describes as being "The least efficient way to get electrons on the German grid imaginable." Decouple takes a look at who will foot the bill and who will profit. 

The total output of the Canada German Hydrogen Alliance which requires a near doubling of Canada's total national wind fleet, expensive electrolysis equipment, ammonia production through the energy intensive Haber Bosch process, large scale shipping and potential energy hungry reconversion to hydrogen for burning as fuel in German thermal plants is almost equal to the output of a single German nuclear station, ISAR 2, one of the three remaining nuclear plants still under threat of closure in Germany. 

With the myth of cheap Canadian exportable hydrogen as a tool to replace Russian natural gas busted we examine Canada's only truly green and ultra low carbon energy export: its nuclear technology and uranium which is already used in near carbon free power plants domestically and around the world offsetting a full 1/3 of Canada's total all sector emissions. 

Hang onto your hats. This is an interesting one. 

Oct 21, 202201:26:40
Nuclear Advocacy and Labour

Nuclear Advocacy and Labour

Listen to a panel discussion hosted in-person in Ontario by the Canadian Nuclear Workers Council, featuring:

Ross Galbraith, International Representative of the labour union IBEW
Dr. Keefer, host of Decouple and President of Canadians for Nuclear Energy
Madi Hilly, Founder of Campaign for a Green Nuclear Deal
Moderated by Mike Belmore, External Relations for the Society of United Professionals.

They discuss their entry into nuclear advocacy, their involvement with labour, and how nuclear advocates can create effective alliances with workers and unions in the sector -- a constituency often ignored by environmental and energy transition advocacy.

Note: Since this was recorded outside the studio, we apologize for the sub-optimal audio quality.
Oct 19, 202258:24
A Physician's Perspective on Nuclear Waste
Oct 10, 202201:20:08