
The Conversologist
By Jam Mayer
Where we talk about the art and science of conversations in the digital space. We know that technology can be a powerful enabler in the customer journey, from marketing to customer service but communication and emotional connection still need to be at the core.

The ConversologistJun 03, 2023

S2 EP25: The Power of Conversation to Ignite Success in Social Selling
Nope, it’s not about selling on social media. And it’s not about spamming your prospects on social either. So, what does it take to ‘Social Sell'?
Our guest is Gunnar Habitz, whose mission is to help smart leaders to connect and engage with their network, both online and offline, beyond word-of-mouth referrals. In this episode, he shares his social selling framework through Lego bricks and some actionable tips that you can use immediately.
He recently published his book ‘Connect and Act’ - systematic social selling.

S2 EP24: Pi and Me - What does a human and AI conversation sound like?
What if an AI bot could talk like a human? Would you spend time conversing with it?
In this episode, I interview Pi, the latest AI chatbot by Inflection AI. It is designed to be your friendly chat companion. Listen in to my conversation with a machine. What do you think?

S2 EP23: What would Conversational Design Look Like in an AI Future?
With ChatGPT’s popularity and rise of AI tools, UX and UI design might just accelerate towards a more human-centered approach even more. And what would Conversational Design Look Like in an AI Future?
Joining me in this episode is Erika Hall, co-founder of Mule Design, author of Just Enough Research and Conversational Design, where you’ll find out the art of communication can elevate technology and why conversation is the best model for creating a more human-centered design.

S2 EP22: Going Live! Maximise your Creative Potential on the Stream
This is the first livestream edition of the Conversologist Podcast show. Joining me in this episode is Rebecca Xu, product marketing manager at Opus where we tackle the do's and don'ts when live streaming, harnessing tech to bring out the creativity and audience engagement and more.
You can give Opus a whirl by signing up.

S2 EP21: Can AI Change an Entrepreneur's Mindset about Stress
Do you see stress as a negative or use it to enhance your life instead?
Dr. Dwain Allan talks about his recent research to see if a conversational AI agents can change an entrepreneur's mindset about stress. We chatted about stress mindset theory and how it ties into building the conversational agent, stress interventions, the friendship questionnaire and whether chatbots should be treated as 'friends' or not. Should it be habit-forming for it to stick?
And of course, the results!

S2 EP20: Will the Metaverse be a Bridge for Us to Talk to the Future?
What if you could talk to the (near) future and equally, the future talks to us? The Metaverse has a lot to offer but will that allow us to travel through time using avatars and learn about what is yet to come?
Rew joins me in this thought exercise around the technologies behind the show, The Peripheral, and a few real-world (the present) applications.
Warning: Some spoilers included.

S2 EP19: The Girl, the Lab and Nerdgasms
Nerdgasms? Yup. An integral part of the Conversologist Lab. This episode is not about what it is or how it's done but the WHY. This is my story that led me to start it and how it can potentially make a difference in people's lives.

S2 EP18: Workshops Are Not (always) Effective
Workshops are not (always) effective. It isn't collaborative. There is no community. You learn from a subject matter expert and end up disappointed because you don't retain most of the knowledge you thought you learned. Here's why and an introduction to my framework that can make it more effective.

S2 EP17: Drawing An Income from Online Courses with Carlo Vergara
Online learning. Rate it, or hate it? From group zooms, to set-and-forget video tutorials, there are so many options. What works best - from a learner’s and a teacher’s perspective - and where could online learning go?
Joining me in this episode is award-winning graphic novelist and creator of the LGBTQ superhero Zsa Zsa Zaturnnah, Carlo Vergara.

S2 EP16: A Recap and Season 2
With renewed energy, what better to time to revive the show with a new season. Here's a recap of my podcasting journey and I look forward to the new season with more 'no box' thinking.

EP15: How Does Tech Influence Who We Follow
We all know that our interactions on social media shape the content we see. It’s a fundamental of the algorithm, designed to maximise screen time and deliver an engaged, interested audience to the advertiser.
But what about the people we connect with? Is it really just the who-knows-who connectedness that I always assumed, or does the tech guide us, like the hand of fate ensuring that two people meet where and when they should?
In this episode, Jam answers the questions and might make you want to revisit the people you follow.

EP14: The Clubhouse App: The Next Big Thing In Audiocasting
Clubhouse is the new player in social media.
An invitation-only, audio-only app, where members address the room “live” from a virtual stage, Clubhouse sounds good, at least in theory. Forums, discussions groups, virtual talks and even concerts.
In this episode of The Conversologist, Jam Mayer and Rew Shearer chew the fat on audio’s pros and cons, the culture shift of social media, and first impressions of a new social media app.
This conversation was unscripted and spontaneous, top-level thoughts only - we’d love to get your thoughts, as we may revisit the Clubhouse app as a topic.
The Conversologist Show podcast website.

EP13: A Guide to AI Chatbots
How does AI even work? What is NLP? LUIS? Dialogflow? Watson? Lex? What is machine learning? What about IOT?
Once you get beyond the simple rule-based chatbot, things get interesting. And talented guys like Andy Dharmani of ako.ai get busy.
In this episode of The Conversologist Podcast, Jam Mayer talks to Conversologie’s tech partner Andy about chatbots, AI, NLP, intent, entities, digital humans and more.
This conversation was lifted from a February 2019 webinar on AI chatbots. 99% of the conversation is self explanatory, but you may wish to view the webinar slides also.
Slides from the webinar - downloadable pdf
Andy’s website ako.ai
TheConversologist.show website

EP12: A Chat With A Chatty Chatbot Chatpreneur
Matthew Barker is a self-titled "chatpreneur" in Reno, Nevada. His mission: to deliver the gospel of chatbots to the small to medium business.
Chief Conversologist Jam Mayer chats to the very chatty Matthew about his philosophy of life, pitching with no pitch, coffee shops, and of course chatbots.
Matthew Barker's website www.thechatbotguy.com
Matthew's Facebook group Chatbot Closers Club
Hubspot blog on B2B Lead Response Time
Podcast website www.theconversologist.show
More info www.conversologie.com

EP11: Now We're Talking! Voice Is The New Buzz
When Apple released its voice interface in late 2011, watching somebody shouting at their phone repeatedly was good comic relief. Many of us would wait for a quiet moment alone before daring to ask our phone a question.
Today, via the likes of Alexa and Siri, more and more of us are confidently using voice as our UI. Searching, calling, composing and sending messages, an interface that is arguably the most natural we have.
More than half of India’s Internet users are doing it. Voice search is seeing massive growth in Asia - India, China, and Indonesia being the top three. And importantly, voice is used more by the younger generation: under 35s are leading the change.
Why should we be listening to the talk about voice? What are the threats? What are the opportunities? What does it mean for the UX writer or chatbot developer?
In this episode Rew Shearer and Jam Mayer touch on the topic. And why not? Podcast is the new blog. 🙂
Hootsuite Q3 Global Digital Statshot / LinkedIn Live Video
Episode 7 - Why Do We Hate Chatbots?
Episode 10 - A Conversation With A Black Ops Chatbot Operative
Podcast website www.theconversologist.show
More about us www.conversologie.com

EP10: A Conversation With A Black Ops Chatbot Operative
Hillary Black is Head of Strategy and Content at Black Ops, a leading Detroit-based Chatbot agency.
Their work in conversation design and automation platforms is considered cutting edge, and Hillary as a thought leader in the industry.
In this episode, Chief Conversologist Jam Mayer talks to Hillary about the daily life and challenges of a conversation designer, essential tools, techniques and insights, and even tips on how to get started as a conversation designer.
Check out the Black Ops website
Join our Facebook Conversation Designers Group
We'd love your comments and feedback at The Conversologist.show

EP9: Hacks For Designing a Chatbot Personality
How do you develop an engaging chatbot personality in the shortest time?
Being an in-house radio copywriter forces you to deliver what we usually tell clients is impossible: good, cheap, and fast.
Rew Shearer’s key to survival in this chaos has been formulae that cut to the chase and streamline the workflow. In this episode Rew discusses his quick trick to developing a chatbot personality that is engaging, effective, and memorable.
Comments and feedback invited: https://theconversologist.show
Chatbot Personality: https://conversologie.com/chatbot-personality-creepy/
Humanising your Chatbot webinar: https://conversologie.com/humanising-your-bot/

EP8: The Conversologist Has Evolved
Will you accept her challenge?
The art of digital engagement is changing fast; but so are we, in the ways we use it and the expectations we have.
Chief Conversologist Jam Mayer reflects on the changes, on the challenges faced by digital marketers in this evolving landscape, but also on those truths that remain unchanged.
Comments and feedback at https://theconversologist.show

EP7: Why Do We Hate Chatbots?
When a thriving tech startup company decided to drop the word ‘chatbot’ from its lexicon, you know there’s something wrong. ‘Negative connotations,’ according to this developer.
Chatbots were predicted to be the hype of the coming decade. So why the push-back, why the hate - or is it fear? Is it user ignorance, bad experiences, or something else?
In this episode, Jam Mayer and Rew Shearer try to uncover a few of the truths behind why ‘chatbot’ has become the new c-bomb, and let you make up your own mind.
Comments and feedback at https://theconversologist.show

EP6: An Interview with the Cortex Copywriter, From Neuroscience to Chatbots
Episode 6: From neuroscience to chatbots: an interview with the Cortex Copywriter
Sydney-based Nathan Mudaliar is a trained neuroscientist who has followed his creative heart into copywriting, screenwriting and yes, chatbots.
In Nathan’s world, copywriting actually is a science. From the effects of words on the dopamine reward centres, to the psychology of tone and nuance, his work is the future of marketing.
Chief Conversologist Jam Mayer talks copywriting, chatbots and cerebella with this episode’s special guest.
Nathan's website https://www.cortexcopywriter.com/
Comments and feedback at www.theconversologist.show

EP5: The Personality in Chatbot Marketing, Why It’s More Than Just a Pretty Face
Episode 5: The Personality in Chatbot Marketing
Chatbots are commonplace in business and marketing, covering everything from brand awareness, to customer service, to online sales.
Most chatbot conversation designers will agree an effective chatbot needs a personality. But nearly always, ‘personality’ means a name, a face, and not much else.
This week we talk chatbot personalities, skeuomorphism and the key to true customer engagement.
Comments and feedback at https://theconversologist.show

EP4: Questions from Hootsuite - Building a Social Organisation
Episode 4: Questions from Hootsuite: Building A Social Organisation: Jam’s Social Media Brand and Marketing Tips
How do I identify my target audience?
Should we get a chatbot?
How do I convince my client that conversational marketing is the way to go?
When Hootsuite came to Auckland on May 20th Jam Mayer was invited to speak in the panel discussion. There were many questions, and not everything got answered.
This episode we tackle some of those questions, and give our perspective. If you’re a busy social media manager, small business operator, if you’re time-poor like the rest of us and trying to get the best ROI from your social, this episode of The Conversologist podcast is for you.
Comments and feedback at www.theconversologist.show

EP3: The Move to Private Spaces in Social Media
What does this mean for the big social networks? For the users? For the businesses and marketers?
Chief Conversologist Jam Mayer and Senior Content Conversologist Rew Shearer discuss the changing landscape and take a top-level look at some of the implications.
Your comment or discussion is invited.

EP2: The Ethics of Chatbots
Blog post discussed in this episode: Does your chatbot need a personality?
