Dancing Around Elephants Podcast

𝘿𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝘼𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙀𝙡𝙚𝙥𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙨: 𝘾𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙫𝙖𝙧 𝙈𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙞𝙧𝙤 𝙋𝙩 3 𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙢𝙪𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧 We’re back with the the last of 3 parts with this incredible artiste. We talk about issues with job scarcity during the pandemic, learning to pivot with creativity and being open to learn in a noisy dance world. Chalvar talks nourishing your inner child and also the important role that leadership in dance , and wraps up his convo with his favorite things. 𝙄𝙂: @𝙘𝙝𝙡𝙫𝙧𝙢𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙤 #dancerselfadvocacy #danceradvocacy #dancermentorship #danceinjuries #Classicaldance #blackboysdancetoo #blackballerina

𝘿𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝘼𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙙 𝙀𝙡𝙚𝙥𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙨: 𝘾𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙫𝙖𝙧 𝙈𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙚𝙧𝙤 𝙋𝙩 2 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙫𝙤𝙞𝙘𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙨, 𝙨𝙖𝙮 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜! We are back with artist, teacher, dancer Chalvar Montiero. We talk about his emotions around another major injury and the necessity of listening to your physical and emotional body. We talk about how his work ethic has allowed him to show up with full confidence in challenging situations, his talents in education, and thoughts on leadership, and innovation and mental health.  𝙄𝙂: @𝙘𝙝𝙡𝙫𝙧𝙢𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙤 #dancerselfadvocacy #danceradvocacy #dancermentorship #danceinjuries #Classicaldance #blackboysdancetoo #blackballerina

𝙄𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙜𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙞𝙣 𝘿𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙚 Chalvar does not hold back- you want to listen to this one! We talk about his origins and jump right into conversations around the influence of race in classical dance roles. We chat about his joy in joining the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, the experience of fatigue and injury as he navigated his performances, and also the lessons of embracing the your unique qualities as a dancer. Lastly, we chat about value of mentorship and self -advocacy in the dance world.  𝙄𝙂: @𝙘𝙝𝙡𝙫𝙧𝙢𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙤

𝘽𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙡𝙞𝙛𝙚 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙤 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠 𝙫𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙡𝙞𝙫𝙚 We continue our conversation with therapist John Sovec. We talk about more viable tools to check in with where you are mentally , Nutrition and its connection to mental health and busting the myth that dancers feel alone in struggling in mental health issues. John gives us his go to resources for mental health management and touches on how to bring richness and depth to your career as a dancer. https://johnsovec.com/ IG: @johnsovectherapy

𝗠𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗹 𝗜𝗻𝗷𝘂𝗿𝘆 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘄𝗲𝗮𝗸𝗻𝗲𝘀𝘀, 𝗶𝘁’𝘀 𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 This is such a timely conversation as we witness the 2021 Olympics in Japan and the conversations around mental health. I talk with Therapist and Coach John Sovec, who talks about how his career in theater fueled his passion to pursue his second career: therapy and coaching. He talks about the controversial but common place practice of dancing through injuries against your better judgement, rediscovering your power as a performer to shape the accepted narratives in your career and gives us amazing tools to reframe the power dynamic in the dance world to put you- the dancer - first. https://johnsovec.com/ IG: @johnsovectherapy

Redefining the Standard of Dance I continue Part #2 of our conversation with Tamisha Guy. We chat about her thoughts on the thing essential for dancer's success including the use of cross training. We also chat about changes that are necessary in the dance world regarding pay equity, opportunity and racial equity, and the economic realities of being a dancer and how it affects our choices. Instagram: @tamishaguy www.tamishaguy.com Tamishaguy@yahoo.com

Claiming Dance as a part of my life In this Episode, we get an introduction to Dance Magazine’s 25 Top Dancers to Watch List in 2016 dancer Tamisha Guy. A native of Trinidad and Tobago, she also won the 2016 Princess Grace Award, and in 2017, she was named one of the Best Dancer's of the Year by Dance Europe. Tamisha talks about her entry into dance world, her experience with injuries and her unusual form of cross training: boxing! Instagram: @tamishaguy

Dancing Outside of the Box We continue our conversation with Kel as she talks more about her work with Freed of London . We chat about her entry into the company, her work with producing the 1st line of pointe shoes for dancer of color from a 90 year old company, and her role in creating a movement where dancers of colors can perform in the skin they live in. We also touch on the reluctance of industry leaders and dancers to embrace this product, and her vision for creating spaces for people that don’t have access to dance in her hometown of Guyana, a place close to her heart and her heritage @kjonesdance @ms_k.jones

𝙇𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙥𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙞𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙗𝙤𝙙𝙮. We continue our conversation with Rachel Fine. Rachel talks talk about issues that the pandemic has brought with disordered eating, Her ideas on intuitive eating, and the intersectionality between body type, structure and nutrition in the dance world. She also reveals The Healthy Dancer Summer Intensive - a special intensive aimed at creating healthy, well rounded performers. https://www.instagram.com/tothepointenutrition/ https://dancenutrition.com https://dancenutrition.com/healthy-summer-intensives-2021/

Success is where opportunity meets preparation I talk with Kel Jones, The Head of Marketing of Freed of London, USA, and first woman of color to hold a major position at the 90 year old pointe shoe company. I talk to Kel about her introduction to dance, her first injury, and how an injury changed her approach to using her voice in the dance world to create positive change. @kjonesdance @ms_k.jones

𝙉𝙪𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙖𝙡 𝘾𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝘿𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙚𝙧𝙨 This is the first convo with Rachel Fine, registered dietician nutritionist and creator of To The Pointe Nutrition. We talk about Rachel’s experience in the dance world with injuries and the lessons she learned. We also talk how she started her journey into nutrition, and the creation of her practice born out of the experiences she had as young dancer. We also touch on how the expectations in Dance can lead to body dsymorphias, and systemic issues with food availability and oppression. Website: https://pointenutrition.com/ Instagram: @tothepointenutrition

This Artform is mine I continue my conversation with Cassa Pancho, Founder and Artistic Director of Ballet Black. We talk about the role Ballet Black’s dancers played in creating the Bronze line for Freed of London, the first line of pointe shoes for dancers of color with this 90 year old company. We also chat about the importance of representation in the need for ballet to evolve, and the need to change performative activism in the dance world. Website: https://balletblack.co.uk/ Instagram: @originalballetblack

Creating space for Black Dancers in Ballet In the first episode of Season 3, I talk with Founder and Artistic Director of Ballet Black, Cassa Pancho. Cassa talks about her introduction to the dance world, and launches into an intellectually inquisitive examination of the British Ballet world through the lens of race. Cassa talks about her process of creating a space for black dancers in Britain, highlighting the struggles and the successes. We also talk about her thoughts of breaking the stereotypes of black bodies in dance thru her work with the company. Website: https://balletblack.co.uk/ Instagram: @originalballetblack

Here's the intro to Season 3.  New times, new conversations to be had. I'm talking about all the Elephants in the room this season. Tune in!

We have our last convo with Terry Hyde, Pyschotherapist for dancers based in London. We talk about approaches to handling the stresses of dance, changes due to Covid-19, and tools for dancers to combat their issues, and how he is helping the dance world cope and move forward during this difficult time.  www.counsellingfordancers.com Instagram:@counsellingfordancers Link for the SF-36 - https://www.rand.org/health-care/surveys_tools/mos/36-item-short-form/survey-instrument.html

On this podcast, we talk a lot about physical injuries, but what about our thoughts, and how we feel? In this episode, I talk with Psychotherapist Terry Hyde, about how he has created a niche practice offering mental health services for dancers . Terry talks about his dancer journey and how he has created a practice that helps dancers with their mental health.  www.counsellingfordancers.com Instagram:@counsellingfordancers

We continue our conversation with Dr. Amanda Olson, a pelvic floor physical therapist. We talk about her thoughts on the relationship of the medical world and patients regarding pelvic floor issues, how dancers can look for a pelvic floor physical therapist,  and things dancers should be aware of regarding pelvic floor injuries and issues.  Instagram: @intimaterose Website: www.intimaterose.com

In this episode I chat with Dr. Amanda Olson, a pelvic floor physical therapist that has found her calling  and passion through her own personal experience. We chat about the challenging events that lead her to explore pelvic floor physical therapy, and how this applies to dancers. Instagram: @intimaterose Website: www.intimaterose.com

Felicia Avalos joins us for Part 2. We talk about the necessary evolution that dancers go through to evolve. We talk about her honest take on skin color in dance and her acceptance of that with race relations. We also chat about the the intersection of self acceptance, using our unique voice and stepping into the world as an artist. We end with Felicia’s sage advice on being true to yourself in your dance journey. Instagram: @chicana.artista www.feliciabavalos.wordpress.com

Felicia Avalos joins us for part 1. We talk about her first injury with heel pain, and the importance of changing your training and self care as your body ages. We chat about her use of MuayTai and Brazilian Jujitsu to complement her dance and artistry. Unafraid to embrace the unconventional, Felicia talks about using her father’s Mexican heritage to shine light on difficult issues on immigration to the US, and other social justice issues. Instagram: @chicana.artista www.feliciabavalos.wordpress.co

Get your pens and pencils out!! We continue Onieka’s refreshing take on dance injuries in Part 3 We talk about the resources she used surrounding her spinal injuries she gives her sage advice of finding the right medical provider that understands dancers. We also talk about her sage advice about taking care of your product - make sure you catch the quick fire round! IG: @dragonpassionfruit

Becoming an intellectual dance asset In part 2 we talk about how Onieka’s thoughts on how we can show up as your authentic self to become an intellectual asset and self-advocate to your product - your body. We also chat about the innovation and detriments that have come to the dance world because of COVID -19. IG: @dragonpassionfruit

The 1st Grenadian woman on Broadway We talked about her dance experience coming to the US , standing out as a black, Caribbean woman in dance. We chatted about her first injury and how it connects with the business of the arts . We touch on the culture of hiding injuries and the detriments to dancers and their careers.We also touch about unionization that affords dancers protection in the case of injury. IG: @dragonpassionfruit

Bill continues his story about his path in teaching, that came from a job that he didn’t get. He talks about his thoughts on making great teachers, and the importance of experience and expertise in creating great teachers. Bill offers his sage advice on changing the culture of hiding injuries and allowing dancer to feel safe about talking with their injuries. Facebook: William Waldinger Blog: https://classicalballetandallthatjazz.com/blog/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamwaldinger411/

Bill starts his episode describing a very unique regarding his dance debut and taking care of his injuries, but not seeking medical help. His unusual experience rests on the Luigi Technique, created by Eugene Louis Faccuito, creator of the 1st standard technique for Jazz and musical theater dance. We also touch on changes in the dance world with Covid-19 Facebook: William Waldinger Blog: https://classicalballetandallthatjazz.com/blog/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamwaldinger411/

Making the investment in yourself, will cause other people to invest in you later Akua Noni Parker continues her conversation about the things we rarely talk about as dancers - cross training, sleep, rest, and nutrition.   She talks about how nutrition has affected her career and her love for it has evolved into @cookingwithku.

I had the honor of interviewing Ms Parker on the first stop on her last tour with the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater.. In the beginning of this interview, she goes over her beginnings of her 20 year dance career. She talks about one of her first injuries , where she had to miss a performance. Akua talks about the need for teaching anatomy, getting accurate pointe shoe fittings, and the way forward to advocate for dancer safety

How do you deal with pain when no-one believes you? How do you deal with having a bad teacher ? Jennifer finishes off this episode talking about her back injury and her difficult journey to healing, without her support system believing that she was in pain. Jennifer expands on her thoughts of more education for dancers and dance educators, injury prevention for dancers and the psychology behind working through an injury!

Jennifer DePaola, Founder of DoctorsforDancers.com, joins us for Part 1 of her interview. She talks about her experience as a young dancer,  and the care she received for an ankle sprain. She also talks about how teachers and choreographers can be held to better standards in teaching dance that is health conscious,  and the need for different tools for parents to judge if a dance school is best for their child. Website: Doctorsfordancers.com Email : contact@doctorsfordancers.com IG: @doctorsfordancer

To kick off Season 2 of Dancing Around Elephants, I reflect a bit  on where we are today - in the midsts of a pandemic - and how it has ushered a season of change. I discuss the revolution  of thought that dancers should be going through regarding their injuries, and I extend a personal invite to dancers to start a revolution of their own.

What things do Charlotte Lanning, Zara Bartels, Katherine Horrigan and Maleek Washington have in common? They all had an incredible team to see them thru their injury period. In this last episode, I wrap things up in discussing all the stories you've heard for the past couple of weeks. I also go thru the top 3 persons you need on your dance team as a professional dancer to make sure you are successful in coming out on the other sides of injuries, and the importance of mental health in getting to the end.

If you know all the rules, then you know how to bend them! Maleek rounds up this last episode talking about the economics of dance. We talk about how dancers can make sure they are compensated for their time and talent, and discuss what is needed for the longevity as a dancer, choreographer, and as an artist.

Dancers take commands - jump, kick, leap. Artists ask questions - who? What? Why? Maleek continues his story of overcoming a staph infection that threatened his dance career and life. Then he travels thru time to take us through his amazing comeback and his journey into becoming an artiste. He talks about his experience with Camille A. Brown Dance Company, their unique culture of support, and the importance of women leaders in the dance world.

What happens when you fall into grey area of injury over and over again? You figure out new ways to move and become a master of your craft! Maleek Washington's story highlights a series of unique and terrifying injuries as a young dancer - all while making history! He talks about his unusual approach to overcoming a toe stress fracture that traditional methods failed to heal, and begins his narrative into a staph infection that completely sidelined him and threatened not only his dance career, but his life

We go into the 2nd episode where Katherine talked about her knee surgeries and important nuggets to pass that time, and keep you mentally engaged. She also goes thru dance essentials for success, and why a ballet dancer needs more skills than just ballet to present a relatable conversation to the audience. She gives some valuable info for dance teachers and students in recognizing injury and how to put together a successful career! https://www.companydanzante.org Instagram: @danzante

In this episode we get introduced to Katherine Horrigan, dancer, teacher, choreographer.. She walked us through the start of her professional career, and gives her sage advice on getting your foot in the door for professional dance companies. She talks about the resilience, mental toughness and strategy necessary to succeed, and touches on her memories of her major knee meniscus injury that required a temporary departure from dance.

What happens when you have a fear based culture that promotes staying silent? That’s what we have in both the dance and medicine worlds, and dancers are usually stuck in the middle, feeling isolated and trying to figure out things on their own. In this episode I talk about why dancers need o speak up and foster better relationships with their medical providers and teachers. Placing these professionals on your team will only help to give you a career that has longevity and success!

When we talk about life after dance, the world is your oyster! The last of this series, Zara expands on what her life looks life with a Pulmonary Sarcoidosis diagnosis and how her talents as a dancer has transferred to her life in the med tech world and startup world and served her well. We cover contract negotiations, job opportunities and the hidden talents that dancers have that makes them a key asset to others.

Zara Bartels retired from professional dancing with the Lion King in 2013. Just when she thought that well deserved relaxation from the onslaught of stress on her body was done, she had a new battle to face: being diagnosed with Pulmonary Sarcoidosis. In this episode, we talk bout her gems about retirement and quality of life, and the way she has dealt with her new diagnosis.

Like most high level athletes , dancers devote extraordinary amounts of time perfecting their art. But what happens when your career ends? Zara talks about coping with difficult times, and trying to catch up with life as it moves while you’re on stage. She reflects on key dance resources for broadway dancers , and the importance of the role of a dance captain or company manager in the health of dancers

In this episode, we talk about some key differences between contemporary dance and Broadway that makes Broadway an animal of its own.  Zara talks about her experience as the dance captain on the West End in London for The Lion King, and talks about things dancers should know about their bodies, what success on broadway looks like and audition secrets for broadway dancers.

In this episode, Zara talks about a persistent injury that resulted in Joint Rejuvenation Surgery. She talks about her experience with surgery, and how she mentally dealt with having to stop dancing for 4 months. She also gives us her views on the importance of being mentally grounded to deal with the challenges that injuries bring for professional dancers.

In this episode, we get introduced to Zara Bartels, a dance prodigy that travelled from her small island of Trinidad and Tobago, to touch and master dance in 3 major continents, including the US. The longest serving Dance Captain of the Lion King on the West End in London, Zara not only excelled as a dancer, but dominated her career, regardless of injuries on her terms. We learn more about her beginnings and her philosophy on dance.

ACL and meniscus tear- one of the most difficult injuries any athlete can have-Charlotte had both! A rare injury for dancers, she recovered, danced in the US and successfully auditioned & joined Teatrul de Balet Sibiu in Romania. She talks about her experience, things she learned, her US based teachers words of wisdom  and the advice she has for dancers going through this type of injury Check out our IG page @3ptdc to see Charlotte in action! Guest: Charlotte Lanning Instagram: @charlottelanning

Learn about how Dancing Around Elephants came about and what to look forward to. Also learn a bit about your host Dr. Danelle Dickson, her background in dance and why dancers should be called performing athletes instead of performing artists.