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Dancing Around Elephants Podcast

Dancing Around Elephants Podcast

By Danelle DIckson

Dancing Around Elephants , the DARE project, with host Dr. Danelle Dickson - dancer turned physical therapist- features intimate conversations with dancers talking about the elephant in the room - Dance Injuries. We break down important information that dancers should know about injuries and how to manage them. These dancers discuss their experiences, struggles and triumphs in navigating some of the most difficult times in their career, with the hope of inspiring other dancers to be healthy, injury free and have successful dance careers.
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants PodcastJun 11, 2021

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Aug 27, 202123:41
๐˜พ๐™๐™–๐™ก๐™ซ๐™–๐™ง ๐™ˆ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™š๐™ง๐™ค ๐™‹๐™ฉ 2: ๐™€๐™ซ๐™š๐™ฃ ๐™ž๐™› ๐™ฎ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ง ๐™ซ๐™ค๐™ž๐™˜๐™š๐™จ ๐™จ๐™๐™–๐™ ๐™š๐™จ, ๐™จ๐™–๐™ฎ ๐™จ๐™ค๐™ข๐™š๐™ฉ๐™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ!

๐˜พ๐™๐™–๐™ก๐™ซ๐™–๐™ง ๐™ˆ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™š๐™ง๐™ค ๐™‹๐™ฉ 2: ๐™€๐™ซ๐™š๐™ฃ ๐™ž๐™› ๐™ฎ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ง ๐™ซ๐™ค๐™ž๐™˜๐™š๐™จ ๐™จ๐™๐™–๐™ ๐™š๐™จ, ๐™จ๐™–๐™ฎ ๐™จ๐™ค๐™ข๐™š๐™ฉ๐™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ!

Aug 20, 202143:40
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Chalvar Monteiro Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Chalvar Monteiro Part 1

๐™„๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™š๐™œ๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™ฎ ๐™ž๐™ฃ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™š

Chalvar does not hold back- you want to listen to this one! We talk about his origins and jump right into conversations around the influence of race in classical dance roles. We chat about his joy in joining the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, the experience of fatigue and injury as he navigated his performances, and also the lessons of embracing the your unique qualities as a dancer. Lastly, we chat about value of mentorship and self -advocacy in the dance world.ย 

๐™„๐™‚: @๐™˜๐™๐™ก๐™ซ๐™ง๐™ข๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ง๐™ค

Aug 13, 202150:05
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 2

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 2

๐˜ฝ๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™ก๐™ž๐™›๐™š ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™ฎ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ง ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™  ๐™ซ๐™จ ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™ก๐™ž๐™ซ๐™š

We continue our conversation with therapist John Sovec. We talk about more viable tools to check in with where you are mentally , Nutrition and its connection to mental health and busting the myth that dancers feel alone in struggling in mental health issues. John gives us his go to resources for mental health management and touches on how to bring richness and depth to your career as a dancer.

https://johnsovec.com/

IG: @johnsovectherapy

Aug 06, 202133:12
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 1

๐— ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—œ๐—ป๐—ท๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐˜† ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ป๐—ผ๐˜ ๐˜„๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ธ๐—ป๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜€, ๐—ถ๐˜โ€™๐˜€ ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป

This is such a timely conversation as we witness the 2021 Olympics in Japan and the conversations around mental health. I talk with Therapist and Coach John Sovec, who talks about how his career in theater fueled his passion to pursue his second career: therapy and coaching. He talks about the controversial but common place practice of dancing through injuries against your better judgement, rediscovering your power as a performer to shape the accepted narratives in your career and gives us amazing tools to reframe the power dynamic in the dance world to put you- the dancer - first.

https://johnsovec.com/

IG: @johnsovectherapy

Jul 30, 202132:52
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Tamisha Guy Part 2
Jul 23, 202125:47
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Tamisha Guy Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Tamisha Guy Part 1

Claiming Dance as a part of my life

In this Episode, we get an introduction to Dance Magazineโ€™s 25 Top Dancers to Watch List in 2016 dancer Tamisha Guy. A native of Trinidad and Tobago, she also won the 2016 Princess Grace Award, and in 2017, she was named one of the Best Dancer's of the Year by Dance Europe. Tamisha talks about her entry into dance world, her experience with injuries and her unusual form of cross training: boxing!

Instagram: @tamishaguy

Jul 16, 202127:26
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 2

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 2

Dancing Outside of the Box

We continue our conversation with Kel as she talks more about her work with Freed of London . We chat about her entry into the company, her work with producing the 1st line of pointe shoes for dancer of color from a 90 year old company, and her role in creating a movement where dancers of colors can perform in the skin they live in. We also touch on the reluctance of industry leaders and dancers to embrace this product, and her vision for creating spaces for people that donโ€™t have access to dance in her hometown of Guyana, a place close to her heart and her heritage


@kjonesdance

@ms_k.jones

Jul 02, 202122:43
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 2
Jun 25, 202130:21
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 1

Success is where opportunity meets preparation


I talk with Kel Jones, The Head of Marketing of Freed of London, USA, and first woman of color to hold a major position at the 90 year old pointe shoe company. I talk to Kel about her introduction to dance, her first injury, and how an injury changed her approach to using her voice in the dance world to create positive change.


@kjonesdance

@ms_k.jones

Jun 25, 202122:36
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 1

๐™‰๐™ช๐™ฉ๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™–๐™ก ๐˜พ๐™–๐™ง๐™š ๐™›๐™ค๐™ง ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™š๐™ง๐™จ

This is the first convo with Rachel Fine, registered dietician nutritionist and creator of To The Pointe Nutrition. We talk about Rachelโ€™s experience in the dance world with injuries and the lessons she learned. We also talk how she started her journey into nutrition, and the creation of her practice born out of the experiences she had as young dancer. We also touch on how the expectations in Dance can lead to body dsymorphias, and systemic issues with food availability and oppression.


Website: https://pointenutrition.com/

Instagram: @tothepointenutrition

Jun 11, 202143:44
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Cassa Pancho of Ballet Black, Part 2
Jun 04, 202127:23
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Cassa Pancho of Ballet Black , Part 1
May 28, 202134:15
Dancing Around Elephants Season 3 - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS

Dancing Around Elephants Season 3 - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS

Here's the intro to Season 3.ย 

New times, new conversations to be had. I'm talking about all the Elephants in the room this season. Tune in!

May 09, 202105:59
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Terry Hyde Part 2
Nov 13, 202022:39
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Terry Hyde Part 1
Nov 03, 202038:07
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 2
Oct 26, 202025:05
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 1
Oct 18, 202028:41
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Felicia Avalos Part 2
Oct 11, 202027:18
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Felicia Avalos Part 1
Oct 04, 202032:59
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 3

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 3

Get your pens and pencils out!! We continue Oniekaโ€™s refreshing take on dance injuries in Part 3 We talk about the resources she used surrounding her spinal injuries she gives her sage advice of finding the right medical provider that understands dancers. We also talk about her sage advice about taking care of your product - make sure you catch the quick fire round!

IG: @dragonpassionfruit
Sep 27, 202043:11
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 2

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 2

Becoming an intellectual dance asset

In part 2 we talk about how Oniekaโ€™s thoughts on how we can show up as your authentic self to become an intellectual asset and self-advocate to your product - your body. We also chat about the innovation and detriments that have come to the dance world because of COVID -19.

IG: @dragonpassionfruit
Sep 20, 202029:14
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2  - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 1

The 1st Grenadian woman on Broadway

We talked about her dance experience coming to the US , standing out as a black, Caribbean woman in dance. We chatted about her first injury and how it connects with the business of the arts . We touch on the culture of hiding injuries and the detriments to dancers and their careers.We also touch about unionization that affords dancers protection in the case of injury.


IG: @dragonpassionfruit
Sep 13, 202042:38
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - William Waldinger Part 2
Sep 06, 202034:16
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - William Waldinger Part 1
Aug 31, 202040:37
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 2

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 2

Making the investment in yourself, will cause other people to invest in you later

Akua Noni Parker continues her conversation about the things we rarely talk about as dancers - cross training, sleep, rest, and nutrition. She talks about how nutrition has affected her career and her love for it has evolved into @cookingwithku.
Aug 23, 202024:20
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 1

I had the honor of interviewing Ms Parker on the first stop on her last tour with the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater.. In the beginning of this interview, she goes over her beginnings of her 20 year dance career. She talks about one of her first injuries , where she had to miss a performance. Akua talks about the need for teaching anatomy, getting accurate pointe shoe fittings, and the way forward to advocate for dancer safety
Aug 16, 202031:14
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Jennifer DePaola, Doctors for Dancers

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Jennifer DePaola, Doctors for Dancers

How do you deal with pain when no-one believes you? How do you deal with having a bad teacher ? Jennifer finishes off this episode talking about her back injury and her difficult journey to healing, without her support system believing that she was in pain. Jennifer expands on her thoughts of more education for dancers and dance educators, injury prevention for dancers and the psychology behind working through an injury!
Aug 11, 202024:00
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 Jennifer DePaola - Doctors for Dancers
Aug 04, 202033:26
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 Intro- Danelle Dickson PT, DPT,OCS

Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 Intro- Danelle Dickson PT, DPT,OCS

To kick off Season 2 of Dancing Around Elephants, I reflect a bit on where we are today - in the midsts of a pandemic - and how it has ushered a season of change. I discuss the revolution of thought that dancers should be going through regarding their injuries, and I extend a personal invite to dancers to start a revolution of their own.
Jul 28, 202019:54
Dancing Around Elephants: Season Finale - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, COS

Dancing Around Elephants: Season Finale - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, COS

What things do Charlotte Lanning, Zara Bartels, Katherine Horrigan and Maleek Washington have in common? They all had an incredible team to see them thru their injury period. In this last episode, I wrap things up in discussing all the stories you've heard for the past couple of weeks. I also go thru the top 3 persons you need on your dance team as a professional dancer to make sure you are successful in coming out on the other sides of injuries, and the importance of mental health in getting to the end.
Nov 29, 201915:03
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #14 Maleek Washington

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #14 Maleek Washington

If you know all the rules, then you know how to bend them! Maleek rounds up this last episode talking about the economics of dance. We talk about how dancers can make sure they are compensated for their time and talent, and discuss what is needed for the longevity as a dancer, choreographer, and as an artist.
Nov 22, 201939:09
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #13 Maleek Washington

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #13 Maleek Washington

Dancers take commands - jump, kick, leap. Artists ask questions - who? What? Why?

Maleek continues his story of overcoming a staph infection that threatened his dance career and life. Then he travels thru time to take us through his amazing comeback and his journey into becoming an artiste. He talks about his experience with Camille A. Brown Dance Company, their unique culture of support, and the importance of women leaders in the dance world.
Nov 15, 201920:31
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #12 Maleek Washington

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #12 Maleek Washington

What happens when you fall into grey area of injury over and over again? You figure out new ways to move and become a master of your craft! Maleek Washington's story highlights a series of unique and terrifying injuries as a young dancer - all while making history! He talks about his unusual approach to overcoming a toe stress fracture that traditional methods failed to heal, and begins his narrative into a staph infection that completely sidelined him and threatened not only his dance career, but his life
Nov 08, 201939:40
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #11:  Katherine Horrigan
Nov 01, 201934:09
Dancing Around Elephants - Episode #10: Katherine Horrigan

Dancing Around Elephants - Episode #10: Katherine Horrigan

In this episode we get introduced to Katherine Horrigan, dancer, teacher, choreographer.. She walked us through the start of her professional career, and gives her sage advice on getting your foot in the door for professional dance companies. She talks about the resilience, mental toughness and strategy necessary to succeed, and touches on her memories of her major knee meniscus injury that required a temporary departure from dance.
Oct 25, 201933:08
Dancing Around Elephants:  Episode #9: Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #9: Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS

What happens when you have a fear based culture that promotes staying silent? Thatโ€™s what we have in both the dance and medicine worlds, and dancers are usually stuck in the middle, feeling isolated and trying to figure out things on their own. In this episode I talk about why dancers need o speak up and foster better relationships with their medical providers and teachers. Placing these professionals on your team will only help to give you a career that has longevity and success!
Oct 18, 201913:33
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #8

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #8

When we talk about life after dance, the world is your oyster!

The last of this series, Zara expands on what her life looks life with a Pulmonary Sarcoidosis diagnosis and how her talents as a dancer has transferred to her life in the med tech world and startup world and served her well. We cover contract negotiations, job opportunities and the hidden talents that dancers have that makes them a key asset to others.
Oct 11, 201930:24
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #7 Zara Bartels

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #7 Zara Bartels

Zara Bartels retired from professional dancing with the Lion King in 2013. Just when she thought that well deserved relaxation from the onslaught of stress on her body was done, she had a new battle to face: being diagnosed with Pulmonary Sarcoidosis. In this episode, we talk bout her gems about retirement and quality of life, and the way she has dealt with her new diagnosis.
Oct 04, 201935:48
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #6  Zara Bartels Part 4

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #6 Zara Bartels Part 4

Like most high level athletes , dancers devote extraordinary amounts of time perfecting their art. But what happens when your career ends? Zara talks about coping with difficult times, and trying to catch up with life as it moves while youโ€™re on stage. She reflects on key dance resources for broadway dancers , and the importance of the role of a dance captain or company manager in the health of dancers
Sep 27, 201936:25
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #5 : Zara Bartels Part 3

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #5 : Zara Bartels Part 3

In this episode, we talk about some key differences between contemporary dance and Broadway that makes Broadway an animal of its own. Zara talks about her experience as the dance captain on the West End in London for The Lion King, and talks about things dancers should know about their bodies, what success on broadway looks like and audition secrets for broadway dancers.
Sep 20, 201934:59
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #4: Zara Bartels Part 2

Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #4: Zara Bartels Part 2

In this episode, Zara talks about a persistent injury that resulted in Joint Rejuvenation Surgery. She talks about her experience with surgery, and how she mentally dealt with having to stop dancing for 4 months. She also gives us her views on the importance of being mentally grounded to deal with the challenges that injuries bring for professional dancers.
Sep 13, 201921:57
Dancing Around Elephants Episode #3: Zara Bartels  Part 1

Dancing Around Elephants Episode #3: Zara Bartels Part 1

In this episode, we get introduced to Zara Bartels, a dance prodigy that travelled from her small island of Trinidad and Tobago, to touch and master dance in 3 major continents, including the US. The longest serving Dance Captain of the Lion King on the West End in London, Zara not only excelled as a dancer, but dominated her career, regardless of injuries on her terms. We learn more about her beginnings and her philosophy on dance.
Aug 30, 201937:54
Dancing Around Elephants Episode #2 - Charlotte Lanning

Dancing Around Elephants Episode #2 - Charlotte Lanning

ACL and meniscus tear- one of the most difficult injuries any athlete can have-Charlotte had both! A rare injury for dancers, she recovered, danced in the US and successfully auditioned & joined Teatrul de Balet Sibiu in Romania. She talks about her experience, things she learned, her US based teachers words of wisdomย  and the advice she has for dancers going through this type of injury Check out our IG page @3ptdc to see Charlotte in action! Guest: Charlotte Lanning Instagram:ย @charlottelanning
Aug 23, 201928:24
Dancing Around Elephants Episode #1- Intro to Danelle Dickson PT, DPT,OCS

Dancing Around Elephants Episode #1- Intro to Danelle Dickson PT, DPT,OCS

Learn about how Dancing Around Elephants came about and what to look forward to. Also learn a bit about your host Dr. Danelle Dickson, her background in dance and why dancers should be called performing athletes instead of performing artists.
Aug 14, 201924:07