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A guest of the EEC at this year’s National Energy Efficiency Conference, Dr Jessica Granderson directs the Building Technology and Urban Systems Division at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and is one of the world’s foremost experts on building efficiency and energy management.

In this episode, Luke and Jessica explore the ins and outs of smart buildings, discussing how software can be used as an overlay to traditional building technology; how governments can advance policies that incentivise the market; how building users interact with flexible loads; and most importantly, how all this smart building potential can be turned into reality.

What’s apparent is just how much can be achieved using existing technology and systems, which will be able to interact with future technology. But as exciting as coming innovations may be: we don't need to wait.

Of the many positives to come from this year's National Energy Efficiency Conference, one of the biggest was the opportunity to bring Jan Rosenow to Australia for the first time.

In the world of energy efficiency, Dr Rosenow needs little introduction. With his day job leading European Programs at the Regulatory Assistance Project, Jan also serves on the Executive Committee of the International Energy Agency’s demand-side management program, and sits on the board of the European Council for an Energy Efficient Economy (he also makes time to maintain an excellent social media presence).

After delivering his keynote at the conference, Dr Rosenow sat down with EEC CEO Luke Menzel to reflect on how Australia can effectively prioritise our raft of energy challenges. The pair also discuss their confidence in electrification as the way forward in the building sector, the role of electrification relative to hydrogen in other sectors, and why it’s useful to retain a little scepticism around net zero targets if they’re not immediately paired with plans to hit them.

As always, this episode of First Fuel is a freewheeling ride that goes deep with some of the best minds in the energy efficiency business.

Last month's National Efficiency Schemes Summit was the first of its kind: a national event bringing together participants in all Australia's state efficiency schemes – a remarkable fact by Energy Savings Industry Association President Rod Woolley.

That industry and government, NGOs and consumer groups from right around Australia had never gathered in one room before before to discuss the schemes was, as Luke says, “kind of bananas.” So with the stage lights still warm, we sat down with three key participants to discuss what the day meant and will continue to mean as Australia's schemes mature and diversify to keep pace with our changing energy systems.

Along with ambitious commitments to renewable energy, the Albanese Government has set its sights on decarbonisation and energy efficiency, putting the nation's energy policy wonks to work over the summer.

In Episode 85 of First Fuel, EEC CEO Luke Menzel and EEC Acting Head of Policy Alex St John (a man who in his own words, “skews wonk”) discuss the “Summer of Submissions”.

If they don’t already have one, developing a net zero plan is high on the priority list for all Australian businesses. But as most now know, the real job isn’t developing a plan, but putting that plan to work.

In Episode 84 of First Fuel, EEC CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Kate Levick, co-head of the UK Transition Planning Taskforce Secretariat.

The Transition Plan Taskforce was formed when, in a speech at Glasgow’s COP26, Britain’s then-Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak announced that listed companies in the UK would be asked to disclose their transition plans by 2023.

Speaking one year on at COP27 in Egypt, Luke and Kate discuss the Taskforce’s role in defining what best practice business transitions look like; how companies across sectors can ensure the best chance of a successful transition; and what Australian government and businesses can learn from the UK experience so far.

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Episode 83: Heavy industry, lighter loads: competitiveness through efficiency panel from 2022 Energy Efficiency Summit

This week’s episode of First Fuel is a recording of our panel titled ‘Heavy industry, lighter loads: competitiveness through efficiency’ from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit.

In this panel, speakers Holly Taylor (Chair), Head of Projects, Energy Efficiency Council was joined by Jon Jutsen, CEO, RACE for 2030; Sharon Champness, Manager HR Safety and Environment, Molycop; andAlison Reeve, Energy and Climate Deputy Program Director, Grattan Institute.

The panel discusses the big energy productivity opportunities available in Australia’s industrial sector and the support, skills and policy settings we will need to unlock it.

This week’s episode of First Fuel is a recording of our panel titled ‘Batteries of the nation: zero emissions commercial buildings’ from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit.

In this panel, Francesca Muskovic, National Policy Director of Property Council of Australia, was joined by: Davina Rooney, CEO, Green Building Council of Australia; Carlos Flores, Director, NABERs; and David Palin, Sustainability Manager, Mirvac.

This expert panel considers what has been achieved on energy efficiency in Australia’s commercial building sector and how much more there is to do: driving decarbonisation outside the office sector, helping commercial buildings transition from gas to heat pumps, and making sure that commercial buildings are playing there part in a high penetration renewable grid.

You can watch a video version of this panel and all our panels from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit at eec.org.au/summit22

Key topics:

State of play for commercial building efficiency in Australia

The challenge of residual gas use in commercial buildings

Smart integration of all electric buildings into a renewable grid

The case for a national energy saving target

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This week’s episode of First Fuel is a recording of our panel titled ‘Efficient, Electric and affordable: Creating better homes,’ from the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit.

In this panel, Program Director of Climate and Energy at ACOSS, Kellie Caught, was joined by: Vanessa Davis, Researcher, Tagentyere Council; Margot Delafoulhouze, Systems Lead - Cities, Climateworks Centre; and Ben Milsom, co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer, Plenti.

In a wide-ranging session, this expert panel discuss the huge positive impacts of energy efficiency and standardisation on residential homes, particularly on social and low income housing, and those in remote parts of Australia, where energy poverty can create literally life threatening circumstances.

This episode of First Fuel is a recording of the Leaders Panel at the 2022 National Energy Efficiency Summit. Delivered in person from Sydney, and streamed to  a national online audience, the Summit brought together government, global experts, prominent consumer advocates and our largest industry associations for a unique, economy-wide discussion on the role of energy efficiency in this moment and beyond. 

In this panel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel was joined by: Edwina MacDonald, Acting CEO, ACOSS; Innes Willox, Chief Executive, Ai Group; Ken Morrison, Chief Executive, Property Council of Australia, Senator the Hon Jenny McAllister; and California Energy Commissioner Andrew McAllister.

Recorded in front of an intimate live audience in Melbourne on the eve of the 2022 Energy Efficiency Summit, episode 79 features Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel in conversation with California Energy Commissioner Andrew McAllister.

This was Commissioner McAllister’s first visit to Australia in five years, and this fascinating and wide-ranging discussion range from what compelled Ronald Reagan to make energy efficiency central to California’s policy in the 1970s, through to why “the matching of supply and demand is the concept of our time.”

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In Episode 78 of First Fuel we bring you a panel discussion from the launch of the Energy Efficiency Council’s sector spotlight on energy management opportunities for Australian farms, released in partnership with the National Farmers Federation in late 2021.

Luke Menzel, CEO of the EEC is joined by Ash Salardini, Chief Economist at NFF, Edwina Beveridge, Blantyre Farms; Dean Cayley, Cayley Farms; and Karin Stark, the founder of the National Renewables in Agriculture Conference. This fantastic panel digs into how the leaders in the Aussie farm sector are approaching smart energy management.

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In Episode 77 of First Fuel, EEC’s CEO Luke Menzel is joined by the Secretary General of the European Heat Pump Association, Thomas Nowak.

Even prior to the war in Ukraine, Europe was already warming up to heat pumps, but the need to get away from Russian gas has supercharged that effort. Today, the European Commission has a plan to double the rate of heat pump deployment, with Germany announcing a ‘heat pump offensive’, to take the annual install rate to half a million per year. As another example, the Netherlands - one of the most gas-reliant countries in the world - will ban fossil fuel heating from 2026, making heat pumps mandatory.

Needless to say, Thomas is at the forefront of this movement. In this episode, he and Luke discuss the pace of change in Europe, the opportunity to leverage this technology in Australian homes, commercial buildings and industry, and the need to educate the public about the transformative benefits of heat pumps for climate, health and hip-pocket.

In Episode 76 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by New Zealand’s Minister of Energy and Resources, Dr Megan Woods.

Luke and Minister Woods discuss New Zealand’s legislated climate targets, New Zealand’s proud history of action on energy efficiency, and two of the nation's flagship energy efficiency programs, the Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry Fund (GIDI) and the Warmer Kiwi Homes program.

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In Episode 74 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Brian Motherway, Head of Energy Efficiency at International Energy Agency.

Recorded on 4 July 2022 at the International Energy Agency headquarters in Paris, Luke and Brian take stock of the current state of energy efficiency efforts around the globe. They consider the impact of the current global energy crisis, unpack the outcomes IEA’s 2022 Energy Efficiency Conference, and look at emerging trends in electrification, flexibility and industry.

Video updates:

This is the fourth in a series of episodes recorded during Luke’s recent trip to Europe.

To see the video updates produced during the trip visit

In Episode 73 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is again joined by Francesca Muskovic, Director – National Policy at the Property Council of Australia, and Carlos Flores, Director of the National Australian Built Environment Rating System (NABERS).

In this, the second part of a bumper double episode of First Fuel, Luke, Frankie, and Carlos go deep on electrification of buildings, which emerged as a major theme of their recent delegation to Germany. They discuss the ways in which the war in Ukraine is driving a major policy push to get off Russian gas, the incentives, skills and supply chains that will help Germany meet its electrification targets, and what lessons Australia can learn as we seek to decarbonise our own building stock.

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In Episode 72 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by two guests: Francesca Muskovic, Director – National Policy at the Property Council of Australia, and Carlos Flores, Director of the National Australian Built Environment Rating System (NABERS).

This episode was recorded at the conclusion of a week long delegation to Germany on energy efficiency in buildings. Luke, Frankie, and Carlos discuss Germany’s granular climate targets, the role of the KfW Bank in financing energy efficiency, what Australia can learn from Europe when it comes to disclosure of building energy performance, and what we have to share.

Video updates:

This is the second in a series of episodes recorded during Luke’s recent European trip.

In Episode 71 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Dr Nicholas Matten, Managing Director of EEC industry Member Stiebel Eltron.

During this episode – recorded at the Stiebel Eltron Energy Campus in Holzminden, Germany – Luke and Nicholas discuss the history of Germany’s heat pump market, the drivers for increasing heat pump demand, and what government and industry will need to do to unlock the full potential of electrification in Germany and around the world.

Video updates:

This is the first in a series of episodes recorded during Luke’s recent trip to Europe.

In Episode 70 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by two guests, EEC Head of Projects Holly Taylor and Program Director of the Net Zero Initiative at Monash University, Scott Ferraro.

In this episode, Luke, Holly and Scott discuss the launch of the EEC Professional Certifications Framework. They look back on the EEC’s engagement with training and certification over the last decade, the motivation for establishing the Framework, and how the EEC is partnering with government, industry and education providers to build professional pathways for energy management experts.

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In Episode 69 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined live and in person at the National Energy Efficiency Conference 2022 by Adrian Joyce, Director of Renovate Europe.

Luke and Adrian unpack the goals, approach and achievements of Renovate Europe, a political communications campaign focused on raising the profile of building upgrades in the broader energy transition.

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In Episode 68 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined live at the National Energy Efficiency Conference 2022 with two guests: Francesca Muskovic, National Policy Manager for Sustainability and Regulatory Affairs at the Property Council of Australia, and Tennant Reed, Head of Climate, Energy and Environment Policy at Australian Industry Group.

Luke, Frankie and Tennant chat about – what else – the results of the 2022 Federal election.

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In Episode 67 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined Lynne Gallagher, CEO of Energy Consumers Australia (ECA).

Luke and Lynne discuss the importance of centring consumer perspectives in the energy transition, how supporting consumers behind the meter can have big benefits on the supply side, and why ECA has stopped talking about DER.

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In Episode 66 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Sagarika Subramanian, Senior Research Analyst for the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy (ACEEE) to discuss the 2022 International Energy Efficiency Scorecard.

Luke and Sagarika discuss the countries that topped this year’s rankings and what set them apart, Australia’s performance across buildings, industry and transport, and what the scorecard tells us about the untapped opportunity for energy efficiency around the world.

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In Episode 65 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Jorge Chapa, Head of Market Transformation, and Taryn Cornell, Senior Manager, Green Star Strategy & Development from the Green Building Council of Australia (GBCA).

Luke, Jorge and Taryn discuss the GBCA’s new guide on constructing new all-electric buildings, the challenges associated with electrifying existing buildings and how they can be overcome, and role of electrification, hydrogen and offsets in decarbonising Australia’s built environment.

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In Episode 64 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Jarrod Leak, CEO at the Australian Alliance for Energy Productivity (A2EP).

In Episode 63 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Zali Steggall MP, the Federal Member for Warringah and a prominent advocate for climate action. Luke and Zali discuss the importance of proactive effort on climate adaptation, how she would approach negotiations in a hung parliament, and her policies for transitioning buildings and industry to a net zero economy.

This is the fourth and final episode in a series of special episodes featuring key players from across the political spectrum ahead of the election expected in May 2022.

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In Episode 62 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Adam Bandt MP, Leader of The Greens in the Federal Parliament and spokesperson on the Climate Emergency, Energy, Employment and Workplace Relations.

Luke and Adam discuss the crucial role of energy efficiency and demand management in the climate transition, moving to an energy system that matches demand and supply, building the ecosystem of trades and professionals that can fix Aussie homes, and supporting manufacturers on the journey to net zero.

This is the third in a series of special episodes with key players from across the political spectrum leading up to the election expected in May 2022.

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In Episode 61 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by the Assistant Minister to the Minister for Industry, Energy and Emissions Reduction, Tim Wilson MP. They discuss Tim's postgraduate study in energy and carbon management, how he thinks about climate and energy policy, and how to unlock the energy efficiency opportunities that exist in commercial buildings, homes and industry.

This is the second in a series of special episodes with key players from across the political spectrum in the lead up to the election expected in May 2022.

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In Episode 60 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by the Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy, Chris Bowen MP. Luke and Chris discuss the climate and energy policies the Australian Labor Party is taking to this year’s Federal election.

This is the first in a series of special episodes with key players from across the political spectrum in the lead up to the election expected in May 2022.

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In Episode 59 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Dr Mary Stewart, CEO of energy and climate advisory firm Energetics and President of the Energy Efficiency Council.

Luke and Mary discuss the key take outs from the Conference of Parties in Glasgow, the drivers for the avalanche of net zero commitments from Australian corporates, and the crucial role of energy management in the transition.

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In Episode 58 of First Fuel, we bring you a panel discussion from the launch of the fourth edition of the Energy Efficiency Council’s annual energy briefing for Australian businesses, Navigating a dynamic energy landscape.

Luke is joined by Wei Sue, System Lead for Sustainable Corporates at ClimateWorks Australia, Sally Townsend, Head of Sustainability at Blackmores Group and Holly Taylor, Head of Projects at the Energy Efficiency Council. They talk about how concerns around cost and carbon are driving business decision making around energy strategy, and how leading companies are translating net zero ambitions into action.

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In Episode 57 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Tim Goodson, an Energy Analyst at the International Energy Agency.

Luke and Tim discuss the IEA’s Net Zero by 2050 report, the importance of front-loading action on the pathway to net zero, and the role of renewables, electrification, energy efficiency and demand management in the transition.

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In Episode 56 of First Fuel, we bring you a panel discussion from the joint opening plenary of Energy Efficiency Expo and All-Energy Australia, which took place just twelve days before the twenty-sixth Conference of Parties in Glasgow.

Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by John Connor, CEO of the Carbon Market Institute, Zoe Whitton, Executive Director at Pollination, Gretta Stephens, Chief Executive for Climate Change at Bluescope, Anna Malos, Country lead for Australia at ClimateWorks Australia, and Darren Miller, CEO of the Australian Renewable Energy Agency.

This stellar panel digs into the topic of the moment – Australia’s pathway to net zero.

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In Episode 55 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Mark Lister, Chair of the Efficiency Valuation Organisation, the global body that drives best practice in the measurement and verification of energy savings.

In anticipation of the first World M&V Week, Luke and Mark discuss the history of measurement and verification, it’s crucial role in building confidence in the energy efficiency market, and how M&V practice is evolving over time.

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In Episode 54 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by two guests. Jenny Edwards is a Director of Light House Architecture and Science and one of Australia’s leading experts in building envelope testing. John Konstantakopoulos is Managing Director of Efficiency Matrix and a YouTuber specialising in educational videos focused on building performance.

Luke, Jenny and John interrogate common misconceptions around airtightness, insulation and ventilation, and discuss how we can optimise all these variables to deliver efficient, comfortable, healthy homes to Aussie families.

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In Episode 53 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Ruud Kempener from the European Commission's Directorate-General for Energy.

Luke and Ruud discuss the European Union’s ambition to cut its emissions by at least 55% by 2030, the Commission’s suite of ambitious new policy proposals known as 'Fit for 55', and the central role of energy efficiency and energy management in the bloc's climate plans.

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In Episode 52 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Alison Reeve, Deputy Program Director of the Energy and Climate Program at Grattan Institute to unpack their new report Towards net zero: Practical policies to reduce industrial emissions.

Luke and Alison discuss the distinct challenges of unlocking emissions reductions in small and large facilities, the opportunity to reform the safeguard mechanism to lower the carbon footprint of big emitters, and how we can leverage state-based energy efficiency schemes to support small and medium manufacturers on their emissions reduction journey.

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In Episode 51 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Tennant Reed, Head of Climate, Energy and Environment Policy at Australian Industry Group to discuss their recent paper on the EU’s proposed Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM).

Luke and Tennant unpack what this and other potential future CBAMs will mean for the Australian economy, and the role a CBAM could play in Australia's own climate policy architecture.

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Swings and Roundabouts: The unexpected effects of Carbon Border Adjustments on Australia

In Episode 50 of First Fuel, Efficiency Canada’s Executive Director, Corey Diamond, is joined by Luke Menzel, CEO of the Energy Efficiency Council, Australia’s peak body for energy efficiency, energy management and demand response.

Luke and Corey discuss the origins of the Energy Efficiency Council, the challenges facing advocates trying to build an enduring consensus for change, and the areas in which Australia is leading the world on energy efficiency policy.

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The Green State

In Episode 49 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by John Connor, CEO of the Carbon Market Institute.

Luke and John unpack this week’s blockbuster report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the big topics on the agenda for the upcoming UNFCCC Conference of Parties in Glasgow, and what Australia needs to do to step up to the climate challenge.

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Carbon Market Institute

In Episode 48 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Frankie Muskovic, National Policy Manager for Sustainability and Regulatory Affairs at the Property Council of Australia.

Luke and Frankie discuss corporate net zero commitments, the challenge of decarbonising residual emissions in commercial buildings, and two policy processes that have the potential to drive a big uptick in the energy efficiency of Aussie homes.

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National Australian Built Environment Rating System

In Episode 47 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Heidi Lee, CEO of Beyond Zero Emissions, an independent think tank focused on creating solutions for a prosperous net zero Australia.

Luke and Heidi discuss BZE’s history, the huge energy efficiency jobs opportunity highlighted by The Million Jobs Plan, and their latest research on Renewable Energy Industrial Precincts.

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The Million Jobs Plan

In Episode 45 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Lauren Solomon, CEO of the Consumer Policy Research Centre, an independent think-tank focused on how markets can be designed to deliver better outcomes for consumers.

Luke and Lauren discuss whether the ‘consumer-centric’ energy transition is rhetoric or reality, how to build the trust that will underpin new energy service business models, and emerging challenges for consumers in the energy space, and how they can be addressed.

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Consumer Policy Research Centre

In Episode 44 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Corey Diamond, Executive Director at Efficiency Canada, Canada's national voice for an energy efficient economy.

Luke and Corey discuss the drivers for energy efficiency policy in Canada, the Canadian Government's recent, multi-billion dollar investments in energy efficiency across buildings and industry, and how Australia and Canada can work together to unlock their 'common wealth': the untapped energy efficiency resource that exists in both nations.

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Efficiency Canada

In Episode 43 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Jarrod Leak, CEO of the Australian Alliance for Energy Productivity.

Luke and Jarrod begin by discussing his transition from an executive role in the private sector to leading a not-for-profit. Then they dig into some of the big energy productivity and emissions reduction opportunities in the industrial sector: metering, process heat and compressed air.

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Australian Alliance for Energy Productivity

In Episode 42 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Alyssa Fischer, an energy policy analyst specialising in energy efficiency at the International Energy Agency. 

Luke and Alyssa discuss her recent op-ed on the role of energy efficiency in achieving net zero, why the transition to renewables doesn’t mean we can disregard energy efficiency and the role energy efficiency in the economic recovery plans rolling out around the world.

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How Energy Efficiency Will Power Net-Zero Climate Goals (Alyssa’s op-ed)

In Episode 41 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Dian Grueneich, Precourt Energy Scholar with Stanford University’s Precourt Institute for Energy. Luke and Dian discuss the detail of the Biden Administration's climate policies, the likelihood of proposed measures passing through Congress, what the US expects from allies like Australia in the lead up to the next big global climate summit in Glasgow.

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‘My Shot’, from Hamilton: An American Musical

In Episode 40 of First Fuel, Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel is joined by Katie McKenzie. Katie is President of the Australian Institute of Energy, Managing Director of Macht Consulting and has just concluded four years as Principal Policy Advisor to two successive energy ministers in the McGowan Government in Western Australia.

Luke and Katie discuss the particular opportunities and challenges facing Western Australia on energy and climate, Katie’s work as a member of Western Australia’s Energy Transformation Task Force, and what she learnt in her four years as a ministerial advisor.

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Western Australia’s Energy Transformation Strategy