Fear Me Out :: A Psychology Podcast
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Fear Me Out :: A Psychology PodcastMar 06, 2022
EP 103 | Dr. Dana & Special Guest, Doyle Hollister | A New Phase of Life
"I'm not retiring, I'm transitioning to a new life phase."
Dr. Dana and Doyle Hollister have been friends and colleagues for almost forty years. Doyle has decided to transition from his clinical practice to writing poetry. He is excited to shift from working with clients to spending time in nature and becoming a proficient poet.
EP 102 | Dr. Dana w/special Guest Rob Permut, MD. | Anti-Semitism
Dr. Dana interviews his friend and colleague, Dr. Rob Permut. Coming back from summer camp as a ten year old changed Rob's life. From that day forward he learned how to defend himself after experiencing anti-semitic comments directed towards him.
EP 101 | Dr. Dana, Justine Hamilton, Or Kahlon & Ben Ana | Anti-Semitism
"ANTI-SEMITISM IS RAMPANT AND DESTRUCTIVE. THE WAR IN ISRAEL IS SAD AND FRIGHTENING"
Dr. Dana & Justine interview Ben & Or. They openly discuss their experiences with anti-semitism in this revealing and passionate conversation.
EP 100 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton | Narcissism
"MALIGNANT NARCISSISTS ARE INHERENTLY EVIL. THEY ENJOY HURTING OTHER PEOPLE IN ORDER TO FEEL POWER"
Join us in this conversation to learn about the 5 types of Narcissism and how they might be showing up in your life: overt, covert, communal, antagonistic, and malignant narcissism.
EP 99 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest Peter Michael Dedes | Inner & Outer Balance
"I LOVE HELPING PEOPLE CHANGE. MY MISSION IS TO WALK WITH PEOPLE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. MY WORK AS I SEE IT IS NOT ONLY ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE TO SIMPLY FEEL BETTER, BUT TO HELP PEOPLE TO GET BETTER AT FEELING."
Peter Michael Dedes is the Founder of Conscious 7 Retreats. He and Dana discuss his journey to becoming a psychotherapist and retreat leader in the United Kingdom.
EP 98 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton | The Role of Fear in our Lives
"TRUSTING YOUR INTUITION IS THE KEY TO HEALTHY FEAR MANAGEMENT"
Justine Hamilton and Dr. Dana provide a blueprint to managing fear with grace. Trying to avoid turning fear into aggression is key to meeting fear with love.
EP 97 | Dr. Dana & Dr. Samantha Morse & Timo Brind'amor | Plant Medicine
"OUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE WITH PLANT MEDICINE CAN HELP MANY PEOPLE HEAL THEIR TRAUMA AND OTHER PSYCHOLOGICAL SYMPTOMS."
Samantha and Tímo together bring 47 years of experience working with sacred medicines. They believe that all people are called to live a meaningful life illuminated by connection, purpose, and joy.
EP 96 | Dr. Dana & Petra Beumer | Mindful Eating
"I AM A COUNSELOR WHO FACILITATES LONG TERM WEIGHT MANAGEMENT FOR ANXIOUS EATORS"
Dr. Dana and Petra Beumer discuss Petra's approach to helping adults that struggle with anxious eating. Petra has designed a comprehensive treatment model that is rooted in positive psychology. Her model helps with food addiction and anxious eating that leads to weight gain.
EP 95 | Dr. Dana & Eric Recker | WINtheNOW
"LIFE IS ABOUT IMPACT, AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO MAKE YOURS!"
Dr. Recker is a dentist, world traveler , triathlete, inspirational coach and mentor. He is passionate about helping people #WinTheNOW and believes good days are ahead!
EP 94 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest Michele Parad | Helping People Rise to Their Greatness
QUOTE: "INVEST IN WELLBEING TO TRANSFORM YOUR SUCCESS"
Special guest Michele Parad discusses her approach to helping people achieve their potential. Her approach involves helping people rewire their subconscious thought patterns to help gain mastery over emotions to gain higher perspectives on the challenges of life. Her belief is that our inner voice is our most profound teacher.
EP 93 | Dr. Dana w/special guest: Linda Rossetti | Dancing with Disruption
OUR INNER VOICE IS OUR MOST PROFOUND TEACHER.
Dr. Dana speaks with Linda Rossetti, a business leader, Harvard MBA, and pioneering researcher who has dedicated her career to advancing our understanding of personal and organizational transformation.
Her methods for personal and career transformation are rooted in science and based on extensive research. They empower individuals to turn a period of uncertainty and instability into a positive inflection point in their life.
EP 92 | Dr. Dana & Catherine Weissenberg | Healing Trauma with Love
"LOVE IS THE MAGIC INGREDIENT AND THE HEALING ALCHEMY."
Dr. Dana welcomes back his sister-in-law, Catherine Weissenberg. Cathering wrote from source about healing trauma with love. This interview is both inspiring and pertinent to Dr. Dana's clinical practice and to trauma survivors.
EP 91 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest: Nancy Gunzberg
"I ALWAYS FELT A NEED TO BE OF SERVICE. I LOVE BEING A THERAPIST"
Dr. Dana interviews his long time friend and colleague, Nancy Gunzberg. Nancy is a gentle, capable therapist practicing in Santa Barbara, CA. She describes her childhood of loneliness and neglect leading her to want to be of service to others.
EP 90 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest : Larry Thornton | Why Not Win?
Larry Thornton is an artist, entrepreneur, and servant leader. Growing up in segregated Montgomery, Alabama, he worked his way from sign painter to advertising manager at Coca-Cola Birmingham, and became the first African American to open a McDonald’s franchise in Birmingham, Alabama.
Larry made up his mind that he would spend each day on a mission to show his unbending gratitude for his life and its benefits by fostering a supreme attitude and maintaining consistency in vision, purpose, and an unwavering commitment to principles.
Purchase Why Not Win!
Visit his website: https://www.larrythornton.com/
EP 89 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest Susan Sheehan | Motivational Speaker & Trauma Survivor
"MY FAITH SURLY HELPED ME SURVIVE THE LOSS OF MY FIRST CHILD"
Susan is an International Speaker, Wellness and Executive Coach. Susan's story is a testament to her courage and commitment to be the best. She says that the one message she wants to share is, success is the process of continually growing and improving oneself and it starts with overcoming doubts, fears, anxiety, procrastination, and as a result of quality thinking and intended action and, it can all be learned.
Visit her website: https://www.meetsusansheehan.com/
EP 88 | Dr. Dana w/ Special Guest Roger Reynolds | Healing No Contact Physical Abuse
Dr. Dana is joined by Special Guest, Roger Reynolds in this empowering episode. Roger describes his journey through childhood neglect, abuse, trauma and shame. He was finally freed from his daily suicidal thoughts when his mother passed away. The fact that she removed him from her will just ten days before she died, confirmed for Roger that he was never truly loved.
Roger describes his journey in his upcoming book "The Scapegoat Escapes" which will be available winter of 2023. He also has a YouTube channel: No Bruises on the Outside
EP 87 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest, Jeremy Luberts | Murder on Elm Street
"Little did they know, the retired homeowner had set a sinister trap to catch whoever was burgling his home".
Jeremy Luberts was born and raised in Little Falls, MN. A second generation deputy sheriff of 28 years of service. He lived through his career as both a hero and victim. He paid a huge cost to. stay in his integrity as a person, and solve two grisly murders in his hometown. As a law enforcement officer, he felt a strong duty to go against many of his neighbors to fight for justice for the murder victims.
Jeremy wrote a book releasing in September 2023 called: Murder on Elm Street : A True Life Crime Story. You can also find him on Facebook: Murder on Elm Street : A True Life Story
EP 86 | Dr. Dana, Justine Hamilton & Special Guest: Belle Hahn | A Beautiful Awakening, Part 2
Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton complete part 2 of Belle Hahn's journey to healing her trauma.
EP 85 | Dr. Dana, Justine Hamilton & Special Guest: Belle Hahn | A Beautiful Awakening
"For much of my life, I lived in a victim state of mind, processing what happened to me. I now see, through my healing, that what happened to me was for me.”
Dr. Dana and Justine Hamilton interview Belle Hahn. She openly shares her journey with trauma, abuse, ptsd and the profound feeling of healing she gets when she is in nature. Her story is both empowering and inspirational, in particular, when Dr. Saperstein touches on freeing ourselves from labels that might imprison us.
EP 84 | Dr. Dana & Special Guest Barry Schoer | CEO of Sanctuary Centers, Santa Barbara
"I HAVE DEDICATED MY LIFE TO CARING FOR THE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL. PEOPLE THAT SUFFER FROM SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS DESERVE PROPER CARE AND RESPECT".
Dr. Dana interviews his friend and colleague Barry Schoer. Barry and Dana met in 1979 working in an in-patient psychiatric ward. They became fast friends, sharing humor and compassion working in this challenging environment. Barry has spent the last 40 years dedicating his life to the care of severely mentally ill adolescents & children in our community.
Barry Schoer: (805)680-6067
EP 83 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton w/Special guest Seth Epstein | Relationship with Kids
"I'M VERY SAD WHEN I LOOK BACK AT HOW MUCH I LET MY BUSINESS PREOCCUPY ME"
Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton interview Seth Epstein regarding his remorse and sadness about not being as involved in his kids early years. Seth allowed his work to consume him at the expense of his time with his boys. Many children suffer from their father's absence. Seth would like to inspire dads to correct this imbalance.
EP 82 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest, Dr. Michael Mantz | Ketamine Therapy
I SEE KETAMINE THERAPY AS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE MODALITIES AVAILABLE - Dr. Mantz
Dr. Michael Mantz is a psychiatrist in private practice in Santa Barbara, CA. Using Ketamine Therapy, he helps many people struggling with depression, pain and other psychological madadies. Dr. Mantz is an expert in the use of Ketamine and describes its effectiveness in great details.
Follow him on Twitter: @michaelmantzmd
Visit his website: drmantz.com
EP 81 | Dr. Dana w/Special Guest Hugh Cook | Surviving a Suicide Attempt
"IT'S A MIRACLE THAT I SURVIVED MY SUICIDE ATTEMPT"
Hugh Cook survived an intense suicide attempt at a young age. He overcame addiction and continues to learn about himself through identification as an empath. His journey is miraculous and inspiring. Today, he is studying to become a LMFT through Antioch University. He is devoting the next step in his life to helping others.
EP 80 | Dr. Dana & Justine with Special Guest Lizzie | Childhood Trauma & PTSD
Dr. Dana & Justine interview Lizzie regarding her heroic struggle overcoming severe emotional neglect and abuse. Her older brother raised her while her mom was nowhere to be found days on end. She is strong, inspirational and constantly on the pursuit to make herself a better person for her daughter.
EP 79 | Dr. Dana & Special Guest: Derin Stockton | Psychological Approach to Optimal Physical Health
"PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH ARE LINKED IN VERY IMPORTANT WAYS"
Dr. Dana is joined by his friend and colleague Derin Stockton. Derin and Dr. Dana have worked with many clients in common over the years. We discuss Derin's unique approach to helping his clients achieve optimal physical and emotional health.
EP 78 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton | Belief Systems & Confirmation Bias
CONFIRMATION BIASES IMPACT HOW WE GATHER INFORMATION BUT ALSO INFLUENCE HOW WE INTERPRET AND RECALL INFORMATION
In this episode, Dr. Dana & Justine explore their personal belief systems and the effect that these biases have on their lives. They also explore the danger of confirmation biases and how you can identify some of them in your own life.
EP 77 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton | Spirituality & its Relation to Intuition
INTUITION IS GOD'S VOICE SPEAKING TO US. IT IS A SCARED PART OF OUR LIVES.
Dr. Dana us joined by Justine Hamilton to discuss the topic of Spirituality. This conversation ranges from understanding the similarities and differences between religion and spirituality. Intuition being the cornerstone of spirituality.
EP 76 | Aaron Kamps is interviewed by Justine & Dr. Dana about his Relationship to Social Media
I DON'T THINK ADDICTION IS A FAIR WORD TO DESCRIBE MY RELATIONSHIP TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
This episode continues the series of Fear Me Out interviews on the relationship that teens have with Social Media. Aaron Kamps is a 14 year old young man that eloquently describes his relationship to Social Media. He recognizes both the positive and negatice aspects on his daily experiences wtih TikTok and Snapchat.
EP 75 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton w/Special Guest Chloe Brown | Social Media with Teens
Fifteen year old Chloe Brown discusses the positive and negative effects that social media has on her life. She candidly admits that social media is entertaining and also instills anxiety about the way she looks in comparison to the profiles she sees.
EP 74 | Dr. Dana w/ 97 year old special guest: Bernice Smith | Mother's Day Edition
"I'M NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING, I LOVE MY LIFE."
Bernice Smith and two of her children, Brian & Sheri, celebrate her life on this Mother's Day episode. Bernice's story is both a fascinating and inspirational century long tale of the love of life and having a positive attitude.
EP 73 | Dr. Dana w/ Special Guest Grace | A Journey Overcoming Extreme Trauma & Accepting Being a Highly Sensitive Person
MY LIFE AS A CHILD WAS PHYSICAL, AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE AND STARVATION
In this episode, Dr. Dana is joined in studio by Grace. She describes extreme violence and emotional abuse accompanied by starvation. Her journey toward healing is heroic and intense.
EP 72 | Dr Dana & Justine Hamilton Complete their Interview with Pixie Saavedra
Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton conclude their interview with Pixie. The second half of the interview continues her compelling story of recovery and redemption.
EP 71 | Dr. Dana and Justine Hamilton with Special Guest Pixie Saavedra
Don't let your past define you, let it drive you. Be honest, and be consistent. Find ways to improve yourself and your communication with others daily. This is where I've found my personal peace, and my joy.
Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton are joined in studio by Pixie Saavedra for a two part episode. In the first half of this interview, Pixie describes a very dramatic, chaotic childhood and adolescence that led her to become addicted to drugs and alcohol. She spent time in prison and struggled to survive. Her story is riveting but has a positive outcome. Please join us!
EP 70 | Dr. Dana & Justine Hamilton | Shame
"SHAME IS THE UNCOMFORTABLE SENSATION WE FEEL IN THE PIT OF OUR STOMACH WHEN WE HAVE NO SAFE HAVEN FROM THE JUDGING GAZE OF OTHERS"
In this episode, Justine Hamilton interviews Dr. Dana regarding the concept of Shame. Shame differs from guilt in that guilt is about behavior where as shame is about our value. Shame is one of the main sources of self loathing and low self worth. We discuss the origins of shame and how to overcome its negative impact in our lives.
EP 69 | DR. DANA INTERVIEWS HIS FAVORITE PSYCHIATRIST. DR ZEV NATHAN
I love people’s stories. I know that there is nothing in the world I would rather do than spend my work life listening to people. I particularly like challenging stories and cases that really exercise my spirit and mind. I am lucky to be able to have the the privilege of watching people get better. In addition my work allows me the opportunity to learn new things every single day.
DR DANA INTERVIEWS HIS FAVORITE PSYCHIATRIST DR ZEV NATHAN. DANA AND ZEV HAVER WORKED TOGETHER WITH MANY PEOPLE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS. .WE SHARE A COMMON PHILOSOPHY OF NOT PATHOLOGIZING OUR CLIENTS. ZEV STARTED HIS CAREER AS A PEDIATRICIAN AND THEN MOVED ON TO SPECIALIZE IN PSYCHIATRY.. DUE TO A CANCER DIAGNOSIS ZEV HAS TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED HIS PRACTICE, BUT PLANS TO RETURN WHEN FEELING BETTER.
EP 68 | Dr. Dana with Special Guest Jennifer Vogel, MA, LMFT | Respected Mental Health Professional
MY FRIST SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE OCCURRED LISTENING TO A CHURCH CHOIR REHEARSE UNDER MY GRANDMA'S DIRECTION
In this episode, Dr. Dana interviews Jennifer Vogel, MA, LMFT, a mental health professional he trusts and admires. Jennifer has always felt a calling to be of service, so becoming a successful psychotherapist was a natural progression. Her approach to her practice is both unique and inspiring. https://www.januscounseling.com/
EP 67 | Dr. Dana Saperstein w/ Special Guest: Anthony Kar L.Ac | Practicing Oriental Medicine with Heart & Soul
TO SOLVE A PROBLEM, YOU NEED TO GET TO THE CAUSE, NOT JUST DEAL WITH THE SYMPTOMS.
Dr. Dana Saperstein is joined in studio with his dear friend and trusted colleague, Anthony Kar. Anthony is a licensed acupuncturist and doctor of oriental medicine, practicing in Santa Barbara, CA for almost 30 years. Dr. Dana & Anthony share the same philosophy of not pathologizing their patients based on their presenting symptoms, but rather supporting them holistically on their journey to healing.
Anthony Kar, L.Ac, Acupuncturist
EP 66 | Dr. Dana Saperstein w/Special Guest, Dr. Michael Vogel | Mental Health Professional
"ONE OF MY MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES IS TO BE OPEN TO NEW EXPERIENCES"
In this episode, Dr. Dana interviews his trusted and admired friend and colleague, Dr. Michael Vogel. Dr. Vogel describes his life journey from a difficult childhood to a respected therapist and business owner. He also shares his experience as a career naval aviator landing jets on aircraft carriers before becoming a successful psychotherapist.
Website: Janus Counseling Center
EP 65 | Dr. Dana & Co-Host Susan Saperstein | Characteristics of an Effective Therapist
What makes a good psychotherapist and how can I find one?
In this episode, Dr. Dana discusses how a therapist’s own self-awareness, intuition, sensitivity, cultural awareness and medical knowledge contribute to the success of the client-therapist relationship. With Dana's wife Susan asking the questions this time, potential clients will learn to trust their own instincts in choosing the best therapist for themselves.
EP 64 | Dana & Justine | The New Fear Me Out Podcast
"I'M SAD TO SEE KIM GO, BUT VERY EXCITED TO CONTINUE THE PODCAST"
Dr. Dana is joined by visiting co-host, Justine Hamilton. In keeping with the focus of the podcast, Dr. Dana describes his feelings regarding Kim Fauskee leaving the show. He describes his feelings of moving from shock and sadness, to fear and finally to feelings of excitement. We also discuss his goals for the podcast moving forward.
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EP 63 | Dana, Kim & Justine with Special Guest, Jenny Schatzle | Breaking the Cycle
"FREE YOURSELF FROM THE STORY THAT IS HOLDING YOU BACK"
Dana, Kim & Justine are joined in their Santa Barbara studio by Jenny Schatzle: imperfect motivational speaker, author, mother and conversation changer. She discusses her intense journey toward healing by changing the conversation on body image, becoming sober and breaking the cycle of insecurity & negative self worth. In 2020 she published her first book titled: Breaking the Cycle. The premise of her book is to help women stop giving up their lives to look a certain way and step into their personal power and confidence. Get your copy HERE.
EP62 | Dana and Kim with Special Guest, Kenny Loggins | Transitions
“WE CANNOT BECOME WHAT WE WANT BY REMAINING WHAT WE ARE”
Dana and Kim are joined in-studio by music icon, Kenny Loggins. Kenny not only discusses his musical career, but how 2023 will be his final year of touring and his thoughts on what life looks like coming off the road after more than five decades of playing to sold out venues across the globe. Kenny also discusses his daughter’s transition to becoming a man and how that had a profound effect on him by creating a deeper love and closer relationship he thought he might never have.
EP61 | Dana and Kim with Special Guest; Author / Journalist, Paul Kix | Stoicism et al.
Dana and Kim are joined in this conversation by Author / Journalist, Paul Kix. Paul is the author of; “The Saboteur” and the soon to be released; “You Have To Be Prepared To Die Before You Live”. His critically acclaimed journalistic pieces have appeared in such publications as: ESPN the Magazine, GQ, Inc, Entrepreneur Magazine, The Boston Globe, and the Wall Street Journal. Paul’s 2017 feature piece for GQ Magazine; “The Accidental Getaway Driver” was recently made into a feature film and won the Best Director award for Director Sing Lee at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival. Paul’s psychological sophistication is apparent through out his writings and his daily stoic practices have helped him navigate inevitable change, life obstacles, and doing what is right.
EP60 | Dana and Kim | Running Toward Fear
"NEVER LET FEAR DECIDE YOUR FUTURE”
This episode is a prologue to EP52 on Hypnotherapy. Dr. Dana conducts an actual psychotherapy session with Co-Host Kim. This episode centers around Kim’s increasing anxiety and depression surrounding recent events in his life, falling back into a familiar pattern of self-isolation, and the pain of not feeling loved and cared for. This is a raw and candid conversation which focuses on running toward fear and not away from it.
EP59 | Dana and Kim with Special Guest, "Bob" | An Addicts Life
“RECOVERY IS ABOUT PROGRESSION, NOT PERFECTION”
Dana and Kim continue their conversation about addiction and welcome into the studio special guest, “Bob”. Bob has struggled with addiction from an early age. Beginning with food, then alcohol, cigarettes, tobacco, and hoarding. Bob has spent most of his adult life breaking the chains of addiction and working on himself from the inside out. His story is inspiring and eloquently told. As Bob continues to pave the path of his own recovery journey, he also helps those that struggle with addiction as a mental health professional and also provides essential mental health services and counseling to First Responders.
EP58 | Dana and Kim with Co-Hostess, Justine Hamilton | Social Media as an Addiction
“WE ARE ADDICTED TO ATTENTION RATHER THAN CONNECTION”
Dana and Kim are joined in this episode by Justine Hamilton as they discuss the addiction of Social Media. If you’re someone that checks their phone before anything else in the morning, use it as a way to cope with negative emotions, or it negatively affects other areas of your life like work, school, or relationships, then you should tune into this episode. Over 50% of social media users fit the criteria of addiction. It’s reaching epidemic proportions not dissimilar to drugs and alcohol. Like all addictions, there are potential remedies that the hosts discuss throughout the episode.
EP57 | Dana and Kim | The Masks of Addiction
“ADDICTION IS THE ONLY PRISON WHERE THE LOCKS ARE ON THE INSIDE”
Dana and Kim begin a series of conversations surrounding addiction and whether certain types of personalities, mental health issues, and physiological factors make a person more apt to become an addict. Both Dana and Kim have first-hand experience with parents that struggled with addiction and offer insight of how it affected their family dynamics and the trauma it caused that was carried on into adulthood.
EP56 | Dana and Kim | Living an Empathic Life
“BEING AN EMPATH IS LIKE SEEING WITH THE SOUL”
Do you have an Empath in your life…... A parent, child, sibling, spouse or partner? Living an Empathic life is both a blessing and a curse. True Empaths only make up 2% of the population. Dana and Kim explain in detail what an Empath is, how they operate in life, and what daily living is like being an Empath.
EP55 | Dana, Kim, and Justine Hamilton with Special Guest, Mary Firestone | How Near Tragedy Redefines You
“ONE DAY, ONE MOMENT, ONE EVENT, CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE COMPLETELY”
Dana and Kim are joined in the conversation by Justine Hamilton and special guest, Mary Firestone who is the author of, “Trusting The Dawn”. Through a series of life events and the near death of herself and her family, Mary embraced the opportunity to look deep within herself and evaluate whether she was destined to live the life she was leading or if there was a deeper passion and desire to be truer to herself and those around her. Mary eloquently describes her journey through life’s trials and tribulations and describes the modalities she utilized to find her true self from within. (https://www.maryfirestone.co/)
EP54 | Dana and Kim with Special Guest, Michelle Sorro | Becoming the True You
“CHANGING YOURSELF CHANGES EVERYTHING”
Dana and Kim welcome into the studio, Michelle Sorro as they continue their conversation on Finding Yourself From Within. Michelle spent many years as a successful media personality as a Host for the Home Shopping Network, a correspondent for EXTRA, and a contestant on The Apprentice. She is now a successful coach and podcaster. Michelle as she will tell you lived a very good life both professionally and personally. It was until the height of the pandemic that Michelle began a metamorphosis that ultimately transformed her into the person she is today. This as she describes was not an easy process which included the breaking down of the facade she had built around herself for many years. It also included losing friends and trusted ones within her inner circle that were not in alignment with her newfound truth. Michelle is very candid about her journey and where it eventually led her. https://www.michelle-sorro.com