
Fkd Up By Faith
By Jude Mills

Fkd Up By Faith Oct 24, 2022

Episode 29 - A Tribute to David Goodall
This episode, the first in... quite a while... is the start of a new Fkd Up By Faith season, and also a tribute. Very sadly, on 27th September this year, my dear (and oldest) friend David Goodall died. David, as you may know, is the composer of the theme music for the podcast. He was an actor, composer, musician and award-winning director of theatre and film.
You can find out more about him - while the website is still there at https://www.soundsmove.com
He also did a wonderful food blog at https://www.foodopolis.org and I encourage you to try one of his recipes.

Episode 28 - with Rhian
Rhian, who is a mental health social worker, spoke to me candidly about her childhood in a fundamentalist Welsh chapel, where not even (or maybe especially not) the Anglicans were going to heaven!
Through travel and exposure to other cultures, as well as moving for education and exposure to a range of philosophical thought, Rhian found herself rejecting those ideas for something more integrated, and more mystically connected to the divine.
The poetry in this episode is
'Your presence is near' by Julianne Lepp, read at the top of the show by Jude.
and 'Thanks Robert Frost' by David Ray, read at the end by Rhian.

Episode 27 - with Richard Turner
It was a real delight to interview Richard Turner for the podcast.
RIchard is a cult recovery therapist and cult psychology consultant. Alongside working in this field, he teaches counselling at his local college and works to raise awareness of cult abuse in the media, sometimes discussing the relationship between cults and autism.
The website for Richard's counselling and consultancy practice is www.tothinkagain.co.uk
Richard's Linked-in page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-j-turner/
As part of his media work, Richard also presented a show called 'Me, My Autism and Cults' on BBC World Service which you can find here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct4244?fbclid=IwAR0qMVunNUYAW1NyMLRGpIYj71PBuQVnaejRIE9pRsmEQXVMmEKJiyXMm_E
And he was interviewed for BBC Radio 5 Live: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0cdtfnt
As a hobby, Richard also runs a gaming channel on YouTube and sometimes produces cult psychology gaming videos too: https://www.youtube.com/@richjturn/featured

Episode 26 - with Matthew Remski
I was very lucky and very excited, to interview Matthew Remski for this first Fkd Up By Faith of 2023! Many of you will know Matthew as one of the hosts of the fabulous Conspirituality podcast which is easily my favourite podcast, and the highlight of my listening week. He is a writer, journalist and cult researcher whom I first met in the yoga world, with which we have both become rather disillusioned. Our wide-ranging conversation begins in Catholicism and ends in the online world of the New Age influencer. A must listen! Matthew is author of several books, the latest being 'Practice And All Is Coming: Abuse, Cult Dynamics, And Healing In Yoga And Beyond' which is a must-read for anybody who is involved in yoga (especially those who teach) He is also co-author - along with his fellow podcast hosts, Derek Beres and Julian Walker - of the upcoming Book 'Conspirituality: How New Age Conspiracy Theories Became a Public Health Threat' which is out in June, and available for pre-order from the publisher, and all the usual book places. LINKS Matthew’s website http://matthewremski.com/wordpress The Conspirituality website https://www.conspirituality.net The Conspirituality book https://www.conspirituality.net/book ACKNOWLEDGMENTS In this episode Jude shares the poem ‘Adjective’ by Anne Carson Matthew shares from ‘Noctograms’ by Luciano Iacobelli and from ‘An H in the Heart’ by bpNichol

Advent Reflection 4. Joy - With Mark Townsend
We continue with the fourth, and last (for this year) of our bonus reflections for the period of Advent.
I have invited some of my guests from this past year to record their own reflections for each of the four weeks of Advent on the themes of Hope, Peace, Love and Joy.
Mark Townsend, an independent priest, writer, magician and celebrant, offers a wonderful reflection this week on the theme of Joy. Mark joined me in episode 21 where he spoke, amongst other things about being a 'Trainwreck for Jesus.'
You can find Mark at https://www.marktownsendministry.co.uk
The incidental music on this episode is 'Carol of the Bells' by lesfm on Pixabay - https://pixabay.com/users/lesfm-22579021
You can see the Muppets version of 'Carol of the Bells' at https://youtu.be/ysIzPF3BfpQ
The Fkd UP By Faith theme music is by David Goodall - https://www.soundsmove.com

Advent Reflection 3. Love - with Mairtin McNamara
We continue with the third of our bonus reflections for the period of Advent.
I have invited some of my guests from this past year to record their own reflections for each of the four weeks of Advent on the themes of Hope, Peace, Love and Joy.
Mairtin McNamara - who was my guest on Episode 17 of the pod - has shared an incredibly beautiful reflection on this week's theme of love.
I begin by having a bit of a laugh at myself for supposedly getting muddled over the order of the advent themes, and a recording I made of the hymn 'Gaudete'.
As always our theme music is by David Goodall https://www.soundsmove.com
The incidental music is 'Silent Night' by Music for Videos on Pixabay https://pixabay.com/music/christmas-silent-night-128870/

Advent Reflection 2. Peace - with Rachel Blackman
We continue with the second of our bonus reflections for the period of Advent.
I have invited some of my guests from this past year to record their own reflections for each of the four weeks of Advent on the themes of Hope, Peace, Love and Joy.
This episode is with Rachel Blackman, who was my guest on episode 23 of the pod. She offers her reflection on the theme of peace, and finishes with a gorgeous somatic meditation to nourish body, mind and soul.
Rachel Blackman is a somanaut, acrobat of the heart, artist, somatic educator, somatic coach, theatre maker, and mentor.
She can be found at https://www.vibrantbody.co.uk

Advent Reflection 1. Hope with Jude Mills
FUBF will return with the usual format in the New Year, with some exciting guests!
For now, however, here is the first of four bonus reflections for the period of Advent.
I have invited some of my guests from this past year to record their own reflections for each of the four weeks of Advent on the themes of Hope, Peace, Love and Joy.
This first episode is with me - Jude - on the theme of Hope. Sections and timings are as follows
Preamble and introduction
5:35 Music - my version of Veni Veni Emmanuel
7:00 Poetry - ' O Come O Come Emmanuel' by Malcolm Guite
9:30 Reflection - on misguided use of scripture and the idea of 'mystical' hope.
16:30 Short Guided Meditation
Piano version of O Come Emmanuel by K. Jason French at https://kjasonfrench.bandcamp.com/track/o-come-o-come-emmanuel-solo-piano
FUBF Theme music by David Goodall https://www.soundsmove.com/
Writing on the theme of by Cynthia Borgeault at https://cac.org/daily-meditations/mystical-hope-2020-04-16

Samhain Special '22
This bonus episode is a special one for Samhain - or if you like - Halloween. There is a lot I don't like about Halloween, and about the various ways in which distorted versions of our history and lore are sold back to us. Samhain - the Celtic festival that preceded it - has also fallen prey to those who would seek to market all things spiritual in the best way that only the colonial mindset can.
Here's the thing. It's not for sale.
Light a candle. Place it in your window. Have a listen to my ritual in this episode if it appeals to you. You need buy nothing.
There are three parts with timings as follows
PART ONE - Background and history of Halloween and its origins in Samhain - 02:00
PART TWO- Ghosties, ghoulies, and the turn to the Dark Side - 06:55
Heads up/Content Warning for a nasty sound effect at 08:46!
PART THREE - A gentle Samhain Ritual - 12:20
The Samhain Blessing in the ritual was written by me (Jude)
Threshold Invocation for the Festival of Samhain
(to be said at the front door of the house on the eve of Samhain,
in the evening) from Celtic Devotional by Caitlin Matthews
Grandmother Wisdom, open the door,
Grandfather Counsel, come you in.
Let there be welcome to the ancient lore,
Let there be welcome to the Winter of the Year.
In cold and darkness you are travelling,
Under crystal skies you will arrive.
May the blessed time of Samhain
Clarify the soul of all beings,
Bringing joy and wisdom to revelation.
From the depths to the heights,
From the heights to the depths,
In the cave of every soul.
The background music in this episode is as follows
1. Celtic Dream by Frank Schroeter
Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6461-celtic-dream
License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license
Artist on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/frank.schroeter.52
2. Halloween Theme 1 by Alexander Nakarada
Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/4735-halloween-theme-1
License (CC BY 4.0): https://filmmusic.io/standard-license
Artist website: https://www.serpentsoundstudios.com

Episode 25 - with Dave Tomlinson
I was very excited and deeply honoured to be joined by the wonderful Dave Tomlinson on the podcast. If I am honest, I got a little bit excited to speak to one of my 'favourite Christians'.
He is an Anglican priest, broadcaster and writer whose books include The Post-Evangelical, How to Be a Bad Christian, and Black Sheep and Prodigals.
You may well have come across Dave in his regular contributions to BBC Radio 2’s 'Pause for Thought.'
Dave currently runs 'the smallest parish in Christendom' called the 'Holy Shed' which he broadcasts every Sunday evening on Facebook and Youtube.
You can find Dave on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/theholyshed
On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/revddavetomlinson
On 'Pause for Thought' on Radio Two - Most recent broadcast https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0d7zm1f
At ''Soul' Space https://stethelburgas.org/event/monthly-soul-space/

Episode 24 - Invitation - Jude Mills
This episode is an unusual solo run with me, Jude. It begins with an invitation to join me as a guest on the Podcast, and a little bit about why I am doing this, my ethical approach, and my Master's in Public Theology.
I then talk a little about learning to trust the creative process. I then segue into a piece about preaching (and how on Earth I came to be a preacher!) and give an example of how I do it! I offer a homily I gave a few weeks ago about fear, trust and love. Don't be put off by the 'preaching' focus, the piece says a lot about where I am coming from in my theology, which is about the radical message of the Gospels and the way I am compelled to push people's buttons!
Read all about how to be a guest and my ethical approach here https://judemills.com/be-a-guest
Contact me https://judemills.com/contact
The Gospel reading is Luke 12: 32-40

Episode 23 - with Rachel Blackman
FKD UP BY FAITH is back!
My first guest of this new season is the fabulous Rachel Blackman, who describes herself as a somanaut, acrobat of the heart, artist, somatic educator, somatic coach, theatre maker, and mentor
This was such a great conversation that could have gone on for several hours (and probably will for a few more!)
Rachel shares about growing up with Christian science, and about her evolving spirituality rooted in the earth, in interconnectedness, in the wisdom of the ancestors, in the intelligence of the body, and ultimately, and most fundamentally, in hope. She also very deftly started interviewing me at one point!
LINKS
Rachel's website - https://www.vibrantbody.co.uk
Tiny Failures - https://www.tinyfailures.com
The Somatic School - https://www.thesomaticschool.com
Article about Improv and Polyvagal Theory by Lacy Alana - https://www.yesandbrain.com/blog/improv-and-polyvagal-theory

Episode 22 - With Piet Ceanadach
Piet Ceanadach is a teacher of Paganism, especially the Wiccan and Druid-Craft paths. He is a third-degree Gardnerian High Priest and author of fiction based on Celtic Mythology. He lives in Glasgow.
Piet has a great deal of knowledge of religion and spirituality and is a humble teacher and guide. In this episode, Piet shares specifically about his pre-pagan life as a Jehovah's Witness, including a period of personal tragedy. He speaks about many things he is grateful for having received from the JW's and a number of things he is very much happy to have left behind.
Piet's book 'The Daughters of Danu' is available from Moon Books https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/moon-books/authors/piet-ceanadach and all the usual online places. Piet's new book will be published soon.
Piet was also keen to share his late wife's Siusaidh's books https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/moon-books/authors/siusaidh-ceanadach
Jude opens the podcast with the poem 'Spring' by Mary Oliver which you can read here https://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/Poets/O/OliverMary/Spring/index.html

Episode 21 - With Mark Townsend
Mark Townsend (he/him) is an Independent priest, a celebrant, magician, and author of several books including 'The Gospel of Falling Down'
I had a wonderful conversation with Mark about his life and experiences as a Church of England (and now independent) priest and celebrant and about the ministry of being f**k ups for Christ! We spoke about the privilege of being alongside people in their vulnerable and transitional moments, about how our own vulnerabilities and mistakes are the root and strength of authentic ministry.
https://www.marktownsendministry.co.uk
Jude reads from 'The Wild Offering Oracle - a 52 Card Deck on Giving it all to God!' by Tosha Silver, and published by Hay House.

Episode 20 - With Genevieve (Queer Christians Brighton)
Genevieve (they/them) is the founder of Queer Christians Brighton https://www.facebook.com/queerchristiansbtn
Instagram: @queerchristiansbtn
I had a wonderful, frank, moving conversation with Genevieve about issues relating to inclusion (or lack of it) in the church, and what it means to be affirmed and affirming. As part of their work with Queer Christians Brighton, (UK) Genevieve is currently 'reviewing' inclusive churches, 'Trip Advisor' style for their followers.
Content Warning for a frank discussion of mental health, suicide, and 'conversion therapy'
Support Resources
Grassroots - Suicide Prevention- Find help now
Galop - The UK’s LGBT+ anti-abuse charity
UK based LGBTQ+ Christians seeking inclusive church might want to look at One Body One Faith and Diverse Church
MindOut Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans & Queer Mental Health Service - UK
LGBTQ- Inclusive Organisations listed on Stonewall UK
Resources for LGBTQ People of Faith listed on Stonewall UK

Episode 19- Stuart Deloney
I had a great conversation this week with Stuart Delony. We cover quite a bit of ground from talking around what it means to 'walk out' the path of Jesus to the purpose of preaching, to the role of ministry, to worship being more than a good song!
Stuart describes himself as a storyteller, seeker, sojourner, question-asker, and provocateur. He’s a former pastor and the creator and host of Snarky Faith Radio, a podcast for the spiritually disenfranchised. It's a space to irreverently wrestle through life, culture and spirituality. Stuart has a Masters of Global Leadership from Fuller Theological Seminary and lives in Chapel Hill, NC with his wife and kids.
Website: www.SnarkyFaith.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/snarkyfaith
Twitter: @snarkyfaith
Instagram: @stuartdelony

Episode 18 - With Marc-Henri Sandoz Paradella
I had a delightful conversation in this episode with Marc-Henri Sandoz Paradella, who is a psycho-spiritual counsellor, meditation teacher and author of the book Toxic Jesus. Marc lives in Lausanne, Switzerland, and was an evangelical pastor before he began to ask questions...
An experience of cancer in 2018, which caused him to have his leg amputated, led to what he describes as a 'reverse epiphany' where the idea for 'Toxic Jesus' was born.
We talked about the understanding of Grace, about an authentic (non-bypassing) spirituality and about finding ways back to faith after 'deconstruction'.
Marc's website is https://en.marchenrisandoz.com/
The book 'Toxic Jesus' can be found in all the usual online outlets.
I read the poem 'Buddha in Glory' by Rainer Maria Rilke which you can read here https://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/Poets/R/RilkeRainerM/BuddhainGlor/index.html
Marc read quotes from 'Also Sprach Zarathustra' (Thus Spake Zarathustra) a treatise by Friedrich Nietzsche, and from the Apocryphal 'Gospel of Thomas'.

Episode 17 - With Mairtin McNamara
We're back!
The first episode of FUBF for 2022 with Mairtin McNamara.
I spent a wonderful, gentle and mindful hour speaking to Mairtin, who is an Irish martial artist and movement practitioner living and working (as an engineer) in Antwerp, Belgium.
Mairtin spoke about his early immersion in Catholicism, and about giving the 'perfect' confession. Our conversation moved into compassion, what it means to be 'decent' in our interactions, and how our spiritual practice informs all of that. A rich and engaging conversation that I am sure will give you food for thought.
I shared the poem 'How to Be Alone', by Padraig O'Tuoma. A Poetry Film by Leo G Franchi of Padraig reading his poem can be found here https://youtu.be/HgZT6UJocRs
Mairtin shared one of his own poems 'Walls' which you can see at https://www.instagram.com/p/CARLml_BEo5/?utm_medium=copy_link&fbclid=IwAR0DXLTliK4J5xOWJDDDxgoKSu85BMxuN0wsVAJw7uF9DEdY4YF9YH9AxGw
He is also running a weekend workshop - "Re-Awakening, Care & Touch" - with Rachel Blackman in Brighton on 30th April & 1st May 2022 link below.

Advent Reflections #4 - With Roger Wolsey & Chris Brown
This is our fourth and final 'reflections' episode for the period of Advent and Midwinter, and it is a wonderful double feature!
Roger Wolsey - who was the very first guest on the podcast returns with a really beautiful reflection on the Advent candle themes of hope, love, joy, and peace. Roger is a United Methodist pastor based in Colorado, and author of the book 'Kissing Fish - Christianity for People Who don't Like Christianity'
We then hear from Chris Brown - a UK-based freelance facilitator specialising in LGBTQ+ inclusion, mental health, and suicide prevention - who joined me back in episode 5. Chris reflects on this period of Midwinter and the themes of the Winter Solstice, and ends with a lovely song/duet with Hannah-Rose Tristram.
Episode 1 with Roger Wolsey - https://anchor.fm/fkdupbyfaith/episodes/Episode-1-with-Roger-Wolsey-e10htdr
Episode 5 with Chris Brown - https://anchor.fm/fkdupbyfaith/episodes/Episode-5---with-Chris-Brown-e127aio
Roger's website: https://www.rogerwolsey.com
Chris's website: http://www.chrisbrown.uk.com/
Hannah- Rose Tristram's website: https://getbrightonsinging.com
The FUBF theme music is by David Goodall https://soundsmove.com
The piano accompaniment of 'In The Bleak Midwinter' is from the UMC https://www.umcdiscipleship.org/articles/piano-accompaniment-recordings

Advent Reflections #3 - With Jack Mason-Goodall
In this, the third of our special episodes for the period of Advent and midwinter, we hear from Jack Mason-Goodall, who was a guest on episode 15. You can listen to that episode again here https://anchor.fm/fkdupbyfaith/episodes/Episode-15---With-Jack-Mason-Goodall-e187594/a-a6kk44k
Jude begins this episode with a reflection on candles, and Jack shares an utterly gorgeous reading of the poem 'Until we Could' by Richard Blanco. You can read more about the origin of the poem at 'Freedom to Marry' here http://www.freedomtomarry.org/blog/entry/watch-freedom-to-marrys-until-we-could-by-inaugural-poet-richard-blanc

Advent Reflections #2 - with Oskar Marchock
Jude shares the poem 'O Radix' by Malcolm Guite which you can read on Malcolm's blog here malcolmguite.wordpress.com/2020/12/19/o-radix-a-third-advent-reflection-and-sonnet-9/
You can hear the episode of the Church Times podcast which features this and the other antiphons here www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2021/26-november/audio-video/podcast/listen-again-malcolm-guite-o-come-o-come-a-journey-through-the-advent-antiphons
The FUBF theme music is by David Goodall soundsmove.com
The piano version of 'O Come Emmanuel' is by K. Jason French on Bandcamp kjasonfrench.bandcamp.com/track/o-come-o-come-emmanuel-solo-piano

Advent Reflection #1- With Dawn Lister
A slight detour for FUBF for a few weeks. Indulge us.
For the period of Advent, a few previous guests are recording reflections on the themes of hope, healing, reconciliation and forgiveness.
In this first, beautiful and mindful reflection, we hear from Dawn Lister, who was my guest back in episode 4. Dawn is a Yoga and Mindfulness teacher and co-owner of Anahata Yoga Centre in Leigh on Sea. She is a Mum and a writer who is currently working on a memoir about her experiences of growing up as a Jehovah's Witness.
The poem Jude shares is 'The Gift' by Mary Oliver
The FUBF theme music is by David Goodall https://soundsmove.com
The piano accompaniment of 'In The Bleak Midwinter' is from the UMC https://www.umcdiscipleship.org/articles/piano-accompaniment-recordings

Samhain Bonus Episode - With Vicki McFall
In this bonus episode for Samhain, I talk to Vicki McFall, who is a Scottish Wiccan/Pagan. Like me, Vicki has some reservations about people (In Vicki's words, the 'dabblers') adopting or cherry-picking Celtic religious festivals (and other practices) who don't always have the accompanying spiritual practice to keep them grounded, safe, and respectful. She also has a go at online 'mediums', makers of 'spell candles', and non-indigenous co-opters of indigenous sacred practices and objects.
Vicki's common sense and straight-talking ordinary-ness shed some light on common misconceptions about Pagans, Wiccans, witches, and their practices.
Jude reads the 'Threshold Invocation for The Festival of Samhain' from the 'Celtic Devotional' by Caitlin Matthews.

Episode 16 - with Rachel Cotton
Rachel Cotton is an Atheist Buddhist with Jewish roots, an autistic parent of autistic kids, and chair of Autistic Pride Reading. http://www.autisticpridereading.co.uk
In this fascinating conversation, Rachel very generously shares her faith history: her father's Judaism; her own journey from Atheism to Tibetan Buddhism (indeed, both); her fear of death; and her love of archeology.
Jude shares Jane Hirshfield's poem 'To Hear the Falling World' which you can read on Poetry Chaikhana https://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/Poets/H/HirshfieldJa/ToHearFallin/index.html
Rachel shares Thich Nhat Hanh's translation of the Heart Sutra https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/letters/thich-nhat-hanh-new-heart-sutra-translation/

Episode 15 - With Jack Mason-Goodall
Jack Mason-Goodall is a psychologist and psychotherapist in training, who specialises in working with autistic children and families.
We covered a lot of ground in this uplifting conservation, but significantly, this was the first conversation (but most definitely not the last) on this podcast, about being F****d up by a yoga community!
Jude shares the poem 'I Live in the Woods of My Words' by Hannah Emerson https://hannah-emerson.com

Episode 14 - With Naomi Wood
Naomi Wood (she/they) is a Brighton-based writer, poet, performance artist, and workshop leader.
We had a fantastic conversation about (you guessed it) being Fkd Up by the Evangelical Church, about expressions of faith, finding the sacred in nature, and - of course - about poetry!
Naomi shares two spoken word pieces in the podcast. Jude shares Seamus Heaney's poem 'Postcript' at the top of the show.
Naomi's website is http://www.naomiwoodmodel.com
Instagram @naomiwoodwrites and @iamnaomiwood
Brighton Feminist Bookshop https://thefeministbookshop.com/
Hammer and Tongue - poetry slam http://www.hammerandtongue.com/brighton/

Episode 13 - With Jet Black
In this lively conversation, multi-media artist, Jet Black talks to me about her Jewish upbringing and the importance of being a culturally and ethnic (but not religious) Jew.
She shares candidly about the recent death of her mother, and the anxiety of choosing an appropriately Jewish headstone amidst a plethora of opinions.
Jude shares the poem 'Freedom' by Denise Levertov
Jet shares a verse from 'Night Comes On' by Leonard Cohen

Episode 12 - With John McCullough
It was an incredible treat to speak to poet John McCullough. John is an award-winning writer, poet, and creative writing tutor, who won the Hawthornden prize for literature in 2020 for his third collection of poetry 'Reckless Paper Birds'.
In this episode, we talk about poetry (obvs!) as well as spirituality (and the connection between the two) about mental health, queer spirituality, more poetry, and John's early church experiences as a choirboy.
I share John's poem 'Sometimes I am Visited by a Church of Rain' which is from his second collection 'Spacecraft'. John shares his poem 'Soulcraft' from his third collection 'Reckless Paper Birds'. Both are published by Penned in the Margins and can be found in all the usual book-selling places.
https://www.johnmccullough.co.uk
http://www.pennedinthemargins.co.uk/index.php/2017/12/john-mccullough/

Episode 11 - with Olivia
Olivia talks about her neurodivergent experience of feeling separate and about addiction, trauma, and finding healing through the Twelve Steps of Al Anon.
She remains just Olivia to honour Twelve Step anonymity.
Content/Trigger warning for a brief discussion of sexual assault.
Jude shares the poem 'God Says Yes to Me' by Kaylin Haught
Olivia shares 'Desiderata' by Max Ehrmann

Episode 10 - With Rachel Sparks
Rachel Sparks is a dancer, dance teacher, and heart-centered embodiment educator. https://www.rachelsparksdance.co.uk
In this gentle and intimate conversation with Rachel, she talks about love and loss, and about moving away from Evangelical Christianity towards a more holistic and embodied spirituality grounded in nature.
Jude shares an excerpt from Kae Tempest's poem 'These things I Know'

Episode 9 - With Mary Louder
In this episode, I chat with Mary Louder, who is an Osteopathic Physician and Integrative Medicine Practitioner living in Michigan USA. Mary talks about her FOUR (4!) baptisms, and how involvement with one faith group at university nearly cost her her medical career.
The poem shared at the beginning is 'Sometimes' by David Whyte, who can watch/listen to reciting the poem here https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=469467607104905
The song shared by Mary at the end is 'The River Jordan' by May Erlewine. You can listen to it on Youtube here https://youtu.be/-qszjgLWl1k
you can read the lyrics here https://www.last.fm/music/May+Erlewine/_/The+River+Jordan/+lyrics

Episode 8 - with The Happy Heretic
In this uplifting conversation, we talk about her journey from Atheism to Evangelical Christianity, to leaving the church, her journey in navigating her 'deconstruction' and the hope and healing she has found away from the church.
Find her on Instagram www.instagram.com/thehappyheretic_/
The poem she shared was from 'Vulnerable AF' by Tarriona 'Tank' Ball of 'Tank and the Bangas' who you can see perform here www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKzobTCIRDw

Episode 7 - With Oskar Marchock
I had a wonderful conversation with Oskar Marchock (he/they) whose gentle modesty had me just introduce them as 'Oskar'.
In this, our third FKD UP BY FAITH for #pride month, Oskar talks about growing up Catholic in a multiracial Caribbean family, about Christianity, Buddhist and Taoist philosophies, about being queer and trans, and about the pleasures and meaning of Trinidadian food.
Jude shared this from the Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk, Thich Nhat Hanh
“Breathing in, I calm body and mind. Breathing out, I smile. Dwelling in the present moment I know this is a wonderful moment.”

Episode 6 - With Kaj Jensen
Kaj Jensen (they/them) is a genderqueer storyteller who calls the Pacific Northwest home.
When not collecting stories, they spend time camping with their cat and spying on birds.
In this our longest episode so far, Kaj shares their fascinating story of growing up as an Evangelical Christian, on a farm in the 'middle of nowhere' in the American midwest, where they asked their parents and pastor 'difficult questions' - like what happened to the dinosaurs? Kaj talks about queerness, community, and an authentic spirituality rooted in their love of nature.
Kaj's website is kajjensen.com
The Poetry shared on the podcast is

Episode 5 - with Chris Brown
At the beginning of Pride month, I am delighted to talk to Chris Brown (she/her) who is a UK-based trainer and consultant specialising in suicide prevention, mental health, and equalities issues, especially LGBTQ+ inclusion.
Chris tells her story of childhood and adolescence in an Evangelical CofE church, and the pain, separation and trauma caused by the imposed ideas of sin/redemption. Ultimately, given the church's rejection of her sexual identity and expression, Chrs chose 'life' rather than the church. She talks about healing in relationship, community and awareness of what inclusion actually means.
As with all episodes of FKD UP BY FAITH - content warnings for difficult and potentially triggering topics apply.
You can find out about Chris's work at www.chrisbrown.uk.com
The opening reading was from Anam Cara - by John O'Donohue
The poem spoken by Chris was The Summer Day - by Mary Oliver
Who made the world?
Who made the swan, and the black bear?
Who made the grasshopper?
This grasshopper, I mean-
the one who has flung herself out of the grass,
the one who is eating sugar out of my hand,
who is moving her jaws back and forth instead of up and down-
who is gazing around with her enormous and complicated eyes.
Now she lifts her pale forearms and thoroughly washes her face.
Now she snaps her wings open, and floats away.
I don’t know exactly what a prayer is.
I do know how to pay attention, how to fall down
into the grass, how to kneel down in the grass,
how to be idle and blessed, how to stroll through the fields,
which is what I have been doing all day.
Tell me, what else should I have done?
Doesn’t everything die at last, and too soon?
Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?
Affected by any of the issues?
UK based LGBTQ+ Christians seeking inclusive church might want to look at One Body One Faith and Diverse Church
MindOut Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans & Queer Mental Health Service - UK
LGBTQ- Inclusive Organisations listed on Stonewall UK
Resources for LGBTQ People of Faith listed on Stonewall UK

Episode 4 - with Dawn Lister
Dawn Lister is a Yoga and Mindfulness teacher and co-owner of Anahata Yoga Centre in Leigh on Sea. She is a Mum, and a writer who is currently working on a memoir about her experiences of growing up as a Jehovah's Witness, which - like many ex-members of the JW organisation - she considers to be a cult. Dawn tells her fascinating - and sometimes difficult - story of childhood and adolescence in a Jehovah's Witness family, about the process of leaving the church, and her long path to healing, wholeness, and forgiveness. https://anahatayogacentre.com Dawn and her business partner Daniel Groom also have a wonderful podcast called 'From the Heart' which you can find via their website or on all the usual channels. As with many stories of being FKD UP BY FAITH, some people might find aspects of Dawn's story upsetting.
PRAYING - by Mary Oliver
It doesn’t have to be
the blue iris, it could be
weeds in a vacant lot, or a few
small stones; just
pay attention, then patch
a few words together and don’t try
to make them elaborate, this isn’t
a contest but the doorway
into thanks, and a silence in which
another voice may speak.

Episode 3 - with Jax Bull
Jax Bull is an interfaith minister, coach, counsellor and 'iheart' facilitator who lives in East London.
In this lively conversation, Jax shares about being mixed race, her deep connection to the 'Readybrek Glow' of God, her intimate relationship with Jesus, and her eventual break from a church where the Gospel wasn't always preached as Love.
Jax's website https://theserenitypractice.com/about
iheart – Innate Health Education and Resilience Training – is a non-profit organisation dedicated to helping young people uncover their innate resilience and mental wellbeing. https://www.iheartprinciples.com
The Body is Like MaryThe body is like Mary, and each of us has a Jesus inside.
Who is not in labour, holy labour? Every creature is.
See the value of true art, when the earth or a soul is in
the mood to create beauty;
for the witness might then for a moment know, beyond
any doubt, God is really there within,
so innocently drawing life from us with Her umbilical
universe – infinite existence …
though also needing to be born. Yes, God also needs
to be born!
Birth from a hand’s loving touch. Birth from a song,
from a dance, breathing life into this world.
The body is like Mary, and each of us, each of us has
a Christ within.
– Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi
Translated by Daniel Ladinsky in his book, ‘The Purity of Desire’.

Episode 2 - with Revd Sheila Zietzman
Revd Sheila Zeitsman is an ordained OneSpirit Interfaith Minister and faculty member for OneSpirit Interfaith Foundation.
In this fascinating conversation, Sheila shares her story of growing up as a white African in Zimbabwe, her uneasy path to faith, her ordination as a Church of Ireland priest and her later ordination as an Interfaith minister.
Sheila's bio on the OneSpirit Website - https://www.interfaithfoundation.org/faculty
The Loving Kindness Song mentioned by Jude - sung by Jess Huetteman on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwSMpjEb-M
Sheila's Blessing was by John O'Donohue
May all that is unforgiven in you
Be released.
May your fears yield
Their deepest tranquillities.
May all that is unlived in you
Blossom into a future
Graced with love.
--John O'Donohue ("To Come Home To Yourself"; Benedictus/To Bless the Space Between Us)

Episode 1 with Roger Wolsey
My guest on this first episode is Roger Wolsey - USA based Pastor, who is best known as an advocate of Progressive Christianity.
He is author of Kissing Fish (Christianity for People who don't like Christianity)
We talk about the state of Christianity in the USA, about what Progressive Christianity is, and about hope and healing for people who've been wounded by their faith, and about love.
Roger's website https://www.rogerwolsey.com
https://www.facebook.com/KissingFishBook

Intro
To get the ball rolling...