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Samican, 2008 yılında Bilkent Üniversitesi İşletme Bölümü’nden mezun olduktan sonra yaklaşık 4 yıl PwC’de çalıştı. Apsiyon’ da Head of Operations ve sonrasında Picus’ ta VP of Strategy rollerini üstlenmesinin yan ısıra “Girişimci Muhabbeti” adında girişimcilikle alakalı haftalık türkçe içeriklerin paylaşıldığı bir podcast serisi başlattı. Samican şu anda Synnada adında bir ML girişiminin kurucu ortakları arasında yer alıyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Dinamik sistemleri izlemek ve yorumlamak neden zor?

2) MLOps ekiplerinin korkulu rüyası: Gerçek zamanlı data ve alarm yığını

3) Synnada’dan MLOps dünyasına “generalist” “unsupervised learning” yaklaşımı

4) Zaman verisi veri tabanlarının farklı dikeylerdeki konumlanması

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Gökalp, Bilkent Üniversitesi Bilgisayar Bölümü'nde Master derecesini aldıktan ve çeşitli yazılım ekipleriyle çalıştıktan sonra Savunma Sanayii için yapay zeka ve makina öğrenmesi teknoloji geliştiren bir şirkette çalıştı. Şu anda Ango.AI'ın kurucu ortakları arasında yer alıyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) AI & ML algoritmalarını geliştirme sürecinin darboğazı: veriyi bulma

2) Yapay zekanın gelecekteki yeri

3) Ango.AI'yın medikal sektöründeki veri boşluğuna odaklanması

4) Yapay zeka, "ateşten daha önemli bir buluş" mu?

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Kazım, NETAŞ’ta Yazılım Mühendisi olarak başladığı kariyer hayatına Airties ve çeşitli kurumsal şirketlerde yazılım ekiplerinde yer alarak devam etti. Daha sonrasında büyük şirketlere blokzinciri danışmanlığı vermek üzerine kurduğu şirketi Monolytic ile 10 yıla yakın bir süre boyunca hizmet verdi. 2018 yılından beri Arf’ın kurucu ortakları arasında yer alıyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Eski para transferi dünyası hem yavaş hem pahalı

2) Finansal dünyada altyapı çok problemli

3) Blokzinciri ve stable coinler uluslararası para transferini kolaylaştırıyor

4) Arf, global para transferi değer zincirinde bir köprü görevi görüyor

5) Kriptopara’ nın günümüz finansal teknolojilerine entegre olması ve konsolidasyon potansiyeli

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Yıldız Teknik Üniversitesi Endüstri Mühendisliği mezunu Bülent, Türkiye’nin en önemli FinTech şirketlerinden biri olan İninal’ın kurucu ortakları arasında yer alıyor. Aynı zamanda yapay zeka ve büyük veri kullanarak skorlama algoritması servisleri geliştiren Colendi’nin de kurucu ortağı.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Geleneksel paranın dijitalleşme ve programlanabilirlik serüveni

2) Her şirket bir FinTech şirketi mi olacak?

3) Bugün Colendi nasıl hizmetler sağlıyor?

4) DeFi dünyasının gelecekteki evrimi

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Deniz, Boğaziçi Üniversitesi Ekonomi Bölümü’nden mezun oldu. TechSign isimli bir kimlik doğrulama girişiminde başladığı yolculuğuna Superhuman projesiyle devam etti. Şu anda da Space Runners adında metaverse için ayakkabı tasarımlarını NFTler halinde yatırımcılara sunan bir girişimin kurucu ortaklığını üstleniyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) NFT dünyasındaki yatırımcıların kendilerini özel hissetme istekleri

2) Topluluk bilinci bütün crypto projeleri için çok önemli

3) Fiziksel ve sanal dünyanın bir araya getirilmesi

4) Space Runners’ ın multi-chain yaklaşımı oyun dünyasını nasıl etkileyecek?

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After gaining exposure in the private equity sector and advising startups for several years Laila joined 500 MENA in 2019. She is currently the General Partner of Algebra Ventures, a $90M early stage fund focused on Egypt.

What’s in this episode?

1) Evolution of the MENA ecosystem over the past decade

2) 500’s investment thesis in MENA

3) Comparing opportunities along the region

4) Opportunities and gaps in the funding environment

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Wharton School’da Girişimcilik üzerine okuduktan sonra Radius ve Geld’in kurucu ortaklıklarını üstlenen Sinan, 2019 yılından bu yana stable coin girişimi BiLira’nın da kurucu ortakları arasında yer alıyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Stable coin ne demek? Stable coin çeşitleri nelerdir?

2) Regülatörlerin ve geleneksel finans oyuncularının “stable coin”lere yaklaşımı

3) Gelişmekte olan ülkelerde “stable coin” adaptasyonu yakalayan oyuncular

4) BiLira’nın Metavest girişimi

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İsmail, 2004 yılından beri Kadir Has Üniversitesi’nde Yeni Medya odaklı dersler veriyor ve yerel bazdaki medya kuruluşlarına yeni medya üzerine danışmanlık hizmetleri sunuyor. Seedify.fund, NFTPrime.com, Xerians.com gibi birçok kripto, NFT ve GameFi girişimlerinde mentorluk ve danışmanlık pozisyonda bulunuyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Farklı ülkelerin regülasyon ve okuryazarlık gereksinimlerine yaklaşımı

2) Web3 dönüşümünün Metaverse’ün gelişimine etkisi

3) NFT ve akıllı kontratların olası kullanım alanları

4) Web3 dünyasındaki kavram karmaşası

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Cecile is the Head of Impact and Sustainability, helping Pitango and their portfolio companies to apply environmental, social and corporate governance and sustain the fund’s operations accordingly. Since founding Impact First Investments which is an investment management company focusing on equity investments into for-profit social enterprises with high and measurable social impact, Cecile has been helping startups and funds for ESG governance.

What’s in this episode?

1) Diverse environment in the global startup ecosystem

2) How to support and motivate early and growth stage portfolio companies for ESG governance?

3) Keeping track of ESG metrics of portfolio companies

4) How did the biggest VC fund in Israel decide to put emphasis on the “impact” side of its investments?

5) How to establish ESG culture within a fund’s operations

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Ahmed kullanıcılarının kolayca finansal işlemler yapabilmesini sağlayan bir elektronik para kuruluşu olan Papara'nın kurucusu. Papara 11 milyon kullanıcısı ve ayda 30 milyon adet işlem hacmi ile, Türkiye'nin en önemli fintech şirketlerinden biri.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Ahmed’in avukatlık geçmişi ve Papara’nın başlangıcı

2) Banka hesabı olan / olmayan herkese yönelik çözümler

3) 11m kullanıcı, ayda 30M işlem ve 2018'den beri 100x büyüme hikayesi

4) Kredi & yatırım ürünleri ve finansal "super app" hedefi

5) Yurtdışı hedefleri ve yatırım planları

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Hakan uzun yıllardır girişimcilik ekosisteminin içinde. Bugüne kadar Lidyana, Bitlo, Krombera, Anibera, ve SuperMassive gibi girişimleri kurdu. Şu anda Ace Games'in başında. Ace Games 2020 yılında kurulmuş bir mobil oyun şirketi. Nisan 2021'de Actera, NFX ve aralarında Firefly'ın kurucusu Kaan Günay'ın da olduğu bireysel yatırımcılardan $7M'lık bir yatırım aldılar.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Hakan girişimcilik serüvenine nasıl başladı

2) Peak Games hikayesi

3) Seri girişimcilik sonrası bugün tüm odağının Ace Games'te olması

4) Ace Games’in ilk oyunu ve 2022 planları

5) Web3'te oyun dünyasının geleceği

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Miray, sağlık teknolojisi Vivoo’nun kurucusu ve şirket toplamda $10M yatırım aldı. Vivoo, ürettiği testi sayesinde kullanıcıların hem su tüketimi, pH, keton, idrar yolları enfeksiyonu gibi testlerin sonuçlarına hem de vücut bilgilerine bağlı olarak beslenme ve sağlıklı yaşam tavsiyelerine anında ulaşmasını sağlıyor.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Kandan idrara şirketin pivotu

2) İş modelindeki korunabilirlik katmanları ve sürdürülebilir farklılaşma

3) İdrarın içinde saklı verilerin büyüklüğü ve çıkarılabilen sonuçlar

4) Kişisel sağlık sektörü, pazar büyüklüğü ve rakipler

5) Ölçeklenebilirlik, donanım ayağı ve operasyonel sıkıntılar

6) Sıfırdan Silikon Vadisi’ne gidiş ve yurtdışından alınan yatırım

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Sercan, yapay zeka odaklı iş sağlığı ve güvenliği platformu Intenseye’ın kurucusu. Şirket bugüne kadar uluslararası yatırımcılardan $25M yatırım aldı ve 250 Milyar Dolarlık sektördeki öncü teknoloji oyuncusu olarak konumlanmış durumda.

Bölümde sizi neler bekliyor?

1) Intenseye’a neden yatırım yapmadık 😞

2) Perakendeden, iş sağlığı ve güvenliğine pivot

3) Tek başına bir pazarın öncüsü olmanın zorlukları

4) Donanım etrafında oluşturulan iş modeli ve ölçeklenebilirlik

5) Video üzerinde yapay zeka maliyetlerinin düşmesi ve yeni pazarların açılması

6) Türk bir girişimci olarak Amerika’da yatırım süreçleri

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Tytus is the founder of Cytowski & Partners, a specialist law firm focused on startups, venture capital and US market expansion. Since starting the firm in 2009, Tytus advised 500+ founders, raising almost $1 billion in venture financing (excluding UI Path:)

What’s in this episode?

1) US Expansion: Flip up vs. opening a subsidiary

2) Tax issues while flipping up

3) Pan-European game plan and potential European legal structures

4) How a law firm can help its clients fundraise

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Sercan is the co-founder of Intenseye, a video AI-powered health, safety and environment platform that helps the world’s largest enterprises to scale employee health and safety across their facility footprints. The company just raised $25M led by Insight, with the participation of Point Nine and Air Street Capital.

What’s in this episode?

1) Pivoting from retail to health, safety and environment

2) Problems with digitization in the HSE space

3) Hardware dependent software business model and scalability

4) Managing a Turkey - New York office structure as an early stage company

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Zaya is a Principal at the EBRD Venture Capital, a €200M fund focused on companies from 38 countries across EMEA. She has lead investments into a number of great companies like Plum, Pollfish and Picsart.

What’s in this episode?

1) Background of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development

2) Reasons for setting up a VC fund for direct investments

3) Comparing different regions from talent and opportunity perspectives

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David is a Partner at Global Founders Capital, based in Israel. He has been focusing on early stage investing for almost a decade and has invested in dozens of companies.

What’s in this episode?

1) GFC’s structure with $2.5B AUM and 17 locations

2) Global approach, opportunities and the investment thesis

3) How the Israeli startup scene Americanized its culture

4) Changes in the exit landscape

5) Israel’s success in b2b and the b2c upstarts

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Sheel led 500 Fintech Fund as its General Partner and launched Better Tomorrow Ventures about 2 years ago. He is laser focused on fintech and has invested in over 100 companies over the past 5 years. His portfolio includes a number of superstars including Albert, Kin, Ethos Insurance and Unit.

What’s in this episode?

1) Fintech opportunities in the US vs. the rest of the world

2) Importance of fintech infrastructure players and the $T opportunity ahead

3) Framework to spot upcoming fintech trends

4) Unbundling and bundling in the personal finance space

5) Complex insurance value chain, full of disintermediation

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Sergiu Negut is the co-founder of FintechOS, a globally focused technology provider for banks, insurers and financial institutions born out of Bucharest, Romania. With roots in consulting, Sergiu became an angel investor and then a co-founder, helping FintechOS emerge as a leading fintech player in Europe. They've recently raised $60m in April from several prominent funds in Europe, including Draper, Earlybird, OTB Ventures, GapMinder, and Launchub. Their clients include leading banks, financial institutions & insurance companies like Raiffeisen, Societe Generale, Erste and Orange.

What’s in this episode?

1) How Sergiu moved from consulting to angel investing to being a founder

2) FintechOS's roots & the story of the switch from Softelligence

3) The path from software services to democratizing customer-centric banking & insurance applications

4) Expanding to the US & managing a large & growing organization during Covid

5) Being an Eastern European entrepreneur & how the landscape is changing now

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Neeraj is the co-founder of Sprig, the first and largest fully vertically integrated on-demand food delivery startup that raised $60M and scaled to 1,200 employees before winding it down. Since then, Neeraj relocated to Berlin and started actively investing in the startups around the future of food, including some unicorns.

What’s in this episode?

1) How you go from a soonicorn to closing up

2) Evaluating product-market-fit over time

3) Reasons for focusing on the future of food

4) Grocery craze in the VC world

5) Problems with supply chain and food surplus

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Akin started Tripledot Studios, a mobile gaming studio, and Luna Labs, a playable ads platform, in 2018. In the beginning of 2021, he exited Luna Labs to the Israeli unicorn IronSource, and also raised a $78M round for Tripledot Studios. He is an advisor and investor to many major gaming companies globally.

What’s in this episode?

1) Exited Luna Labs to IronSource (raised $555M) in February

2) Raised $85M for Tripledot Studios (annual revenue $100M+) in March

3) Why gaming is more science than art

4) How Akin supports his ‘circle of friends’ while also creating $100M+ businesses

5) Rule of thumb metrics in gaming

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Ahu Serter recognized the larger need in transportation, beyond cars, and founded F+ Ventures under Farplas. Investing in startups around smart transportation, with a special focus on companies that combine automotive, electronics, and software competencies, she is an expert on sustainable mobility alternatives for the future.

What’s in this episode?

1) Innovation efforts, F+ Ventures and Farklabs

2) Disruption in the car manufacturing value chain

3) Evolution of the mobility landscape and the rising alternatives

4) Cars as the next $T hardware innovation

5) Moonshot bets in mobility

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Sinan Guler is a professional basketball player and a very active member of the startup ecosystem in Turkey. He is passionate to become the catalyst between the sports industry and the ecosystem.

What’s in this episode?

1) SG Sports Startups Accelerator Program

2) Sinan’s ambitions in bringing together sports clubs, athletes and entrepreneurs

3) Technology adoption in sports: US vs Europe

4) Disrupting traditional sports via innovation

5) Evolution of e-sports

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Bretton Putter is a leading expert on startup and high-growth company culture. He founded the culture development platform, CultureGene, to help companies better understand how they defined, developed, and implemented their company’s culture.

What’s in this episode?

1) Software-driven company culture development

2) Experience from CxO searches for hundreds of high-growth startups

3) Good and bad examples of how company culture can affect a company

4) Strengthening culture for fully remote companies

5) Brett’s books:

- Culture Decks Decoded: Transform your culture into a visible, conscious, and tangible asset

- Own Your Culture: How to Define, Embed and Manage your Company Culture

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Julia Morrongiello is an investor at Point Nine Capital and she has been focused on B2B marketplaces for more than 2 years. Ever since Julia published the European B2B marketplace landscape in 2018, the number of B2B marketplaces in Europe grew from 20 to 300, raising a total of €3 billion.

What’s in this episode?

1) Why B2B marketplaces lagged behind B2C

2) Unbundling the value chain and identifying value creating opportunities

3) Different types of B2B marketplaces and their dynamics

4) Business models, important metrics, and benchmarks

5) Go-to-market models: SaaS enabled and managed supply marketplaces

6) Obstacles to scale and expand internationally

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Dragos Novac writes the most interesting newsletter in the European ecosystem, the Sunday CET - follow it if you don't already! Dragos lived in 8 cities and built a bunch of businesses in the digital space over the past 2 decades.

What’s in this episode?

1) Dynamics in the European tech landscape

2) EU vs. the US: Startup value chain, funding, and early adopters

3) EU vs. the US: Approach to monopolies and antitrust

4) Regulatory hurdles in technology

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Zaky is the founder of Bukalapak, a unicorn and one of the largest e-commerce companies to ever come out of Indonesia. Zaky started Bukalapak 10 years ago with very humble aspirations, as a commerce company targeting hobbyists and cyclists. Over the last decade, the platform has been instrumental in bringing over 4.5million of mom & pop shops and SME sellers to go digital.

What’s in this episode?

1) Starting with humble beginnings and quickly taking on bigger ambitions

2) Biggest challenges faced at the point of inflection during the startup journey

3) Going public in emerging markets as a source of liquidity and exit opportunity

4) Stepping down from the day-to-day leadership of a startup one co-founds

5) Life as an operational investor and the advantages for deal-flow access & management

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