
Growing As Grown-Ups
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Growing As Grown-UpsFeb 15, 2022

Episode 38: Understanding Emotional Intelligence with Kedren Crosby
Emotions are information that help us learn something about ourselves – what is going on inside of us, and what we feel really matters. ‘Emotional Intelligence’ is thrown around a lot but few people know what it means or why it really matters in the workplace.
In today’s episode, Sara sits down with Kedren Crosby, President at Work Wisdom and co-host of The Behaviorist podcast, to talk about Emotional Intelligence. Kedren’s focus is on conflict resolution, burnout, work-life integration, authentic leadership, organizational culture, conflict management, all with a bent toward positive psychology and positive emotional behavior.
Kedren holds a Master's degree in Policy Science from The University of Maryland Baltimore County, graduate-level certificates in Nonprofit Studies from The Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Conflict Resolution at Notre Dame, and has completed graduate coursework in Organizational Behavior at Harvard University. Kedren is also a certified practitioner of Emotional Intelligence and formerly served as adjunct graduate school faculty at Elizabethtown College. Professionally, her 25 years of experience in all three sectors (for-profit, non-profit, government) fuel both her empathy and her ability to see quickly into your specific scenario.
Watch the full episode or download the show notes here:
https://www.growinggrownups.com/kedrencrosby
Keep up with Kedren at and her work at:
- Work Wisdom LLC - https://www.workwisdomllc.com/
- The Behaviorist Podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/0suygL44OYkswhLvJvUe9L
- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kedrencrosby/
- Twitter – https://twitter.com/workwisdomllc
- Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/workwisdom/?hl=en
- YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCT4yJlvJEASRjYZXVvXOZw

Episode 37: The Hard Work of Equity and Belonging with Duane Reynolds
When COVID raised healthcare disparities to a national level, it ignited the work that Duane Reynolds puts his heart and soul into - creating a more just, equitable, and fair healthcare system.
This conversation is relevant to all of us, not just those in healthcare. You’ve heard us say before that growth happens through challenges that contradict our current lens, and in this way, the work of social justice provides a rich source of growth if we will lean into it.
So join Sara as she sits down with Duane to dig into what it looks like to find your passion, develop your voice and be part of conversations that matter, make a difference in the community, and ultimately, promote inclusion and love of all humanity.
Watch the full episode or download the show notes here:
https://www.growinggrownups.com/reynolds
Keep up with Duane at and his work at:
- Just Health Collective - https://www.justhealthcollective.com/
- The Centering Health Equity podcast - https://www.centeringhealthequity.com/#latest-episodes
- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/duane-elliott-reynolds-65653015/
- Twitter - https://twitter.com/duane_reynolds

Episode 36: Growing Up is Serious Business with Ambassador Andrew Young
Hi friends!
In the decades since Andrew Young helped change the course of history as a leader in the Civil Rights movement, he has built a remarkable legacy as a civic activist, elected official, groundbreaking ambassador, social entrepreneur, and adviser to presidents.
In this episode, Ambassador Young sits down with Keith to discuss how to deal with internal conflicts in external reality, how reconciliation is coming together 'in spite of', determining the kind of legacy you want to leave, seeking meaning and direction in life, and ultimately, how growing up is a serious business.
Ambassador Young was exceptionally generous with his time, and this episode was recorded in two parts totaling over two and a half hours. We edited that down to a shorter version for the podcast, but if you would like to see the conversation in its entirety, you can watch it HERE on our YouTube channel. Most of the podcast comes from the second conversation, but the first part is also rich with stories and wisdom so we encourage you to check it out.
Find more information on this episode, including the transcript here: www.growinggrownups.com/andrewyoung

Episode 35: Growing (our Faith) as Grown-Ups with Andy Stanley
If you’ve been with us for any amount of time, you may know that one of our taglines here at The Leaders Lyceum and the work we do is ‘developing the whole person’. We talk a lot about leadership, family, parenting, what to do with your direct reports, friend groups, etc but rarely do we talk about faith.
In this episode, Andy Stanley, Founder and Senior Pastor of North Point Ministries sits down with Keith to discuss what it means to have faith as an anchor (when it grows and matures with us), and how difficult circumstances, tragedies, and even doubt itself, can cause us to grow when we choose to embrace the challenge.

Episode 34: Vertical Development in Review
Hi friends!
Vertical Development, if you’re willing to live into it, gives you insight into the world around you AND insight into yourself.
In today’s episode, we are not only wrapping up 2021 (say what?!), but also our current series on Vertical Development. Dr. Sara Musgrove, Dr. Keith Eigel, and guest, Dr. Karl Kuhnert sit down to discuss their thoughts on the last few episodes, their take on vertical development, and how the curriculum for our growth is all around us in every-day life.

Episode 33: Everyone’s Experience Matters with Dr. Nancy Popp
Do the people around you know that their experience matters to you? Do they feel known, seen, and understood by you? This is the value of understand the developmental road map and learning how to identify where you and others are on the journey.
While there is a great deal of commonality among all people, the way each person makes sense of our world is fundamentally different. When we recognize that we are more effective in influencing others when we meet them where they are, and not trying to get them to meet us where we are, we can come alongside them and help them take their next step.
In this episode, Sara invites Dr. Nancy Popp dives even deeper into the conversation on vertical development. Focusing more on the real-life application of the model, Nancy shares strategies for how to get a better sense of where people are in their development. She also issues some wise words of warning about how to not use this information in unhelpful ways.
Nancy Popp earned her EdD. in adult developmental psychology from Harvard University Graduate School of Education, where she worked with Robert Kegan. Her initial work on psychological boundaries has expanded over the years to include issues of identity, conflict, and consciousness. Nancy is one of the foremost experts in the Subject-Object Interview and Constructive-developmental psychology. She uses both extensively in her work as a developmental coach, mentor, trainer, consultant, teacher, writer and researcher.
Nancy’s research led her to write The Self in Conflict: The Evolution of Mediation, co-authored with Dr. Richard McGuigan, which expands on how we can “can better understand the meaning-making that underlies the behaviors that disputants exhibit in conflict, thereby allowing interveners to help the disputants expand their understanding of the conflict situation and find new pathways to its resolution”.
Don't miss this great episode!
Connect with Dr. Nancy Popp at Halgren Coaching

Episode 32: Finding Your Center of Gravity with Dr. Nancy Popp
In this episode, Dr. Nancy Popp goes deep on vertical development based on her 35+ years of studying and assessing where people are on the journey. She is one of the foremost experts on the subject-object interview method, which is how we assess Leader Levels.
You will feel like you're sitting in on a college developmental psychology class as Keith and Nancy paint a picture of the vertical development journey in language different to the way we have spoken about it so far.
Nancy Popp earned her EdD. in adult developmental psychology from Harvard University Graduate School of Education, where she worked with Robert Kegan. Her initial work on psychological boundaries has expanded over the years to include issues of identity, conflict, and consciousness. Nancy is one of the foremost experts in the Subject-Object Interview and Constructive-developmental psychology. She uses both extensively in her work as a developmental coach, mentor, trainer, consultant, teacher, writer and researcher. Her book, The New Science of Conflict, co-authored with Dr. Richard McGuigan, is published by SUNY press.
Don't miss this great episode!

Episode 31: The Evolving Self with Dr. Robert Kegan
n this episode, Dr. Robert Kegan shares wisdom and personal stories drawn from his more than forty years of research and writing on adult development. From caterpillars to poker to faith, Robert addresses the gift of our potential to grow, and ultimately our endeavor not to die.
Dr. Kegan is the William and Miriam Meehan Research Professor of Adult Learning and Professional Development at the Harvard University Graduate School of Education. The recipient of numerous honorary degrees and awards, his research and writing on adult development have influenced the practice of leadership development, executive coaching, and culture change throughout the world. His impact on Keith's personal journey has been profound and, in turn, foundational in the work we do here at The Leaders Lyceum.
Join Dr. Kegan & Keith as they deep dive into what it means to cultivate a developmental culture for yourself, and for those around you.I

Episode 30: Success Mindsets w. Dr. Ryan Gottfredson
You've no doubt asked the question (or at least thought about it!) - what do leaders need to do to be effective? The thing is, leadership isn't just about doing the right thing, it's also being someone people want to follow.
So how do we successfully tap into the 'being' side of leadership?
In this episode, Dr. Ryan Gottfredson shares his work in the realm of mindsets, neuroscience, and vertical development. His Success Mindsets help us grow beyond a self-protective mindset and move into a more cognitively and emotionally sophisticated way to make sense of the world. He believes that by growing ourselves in this way we are actually healing ourselves.
Join Sara and Ryan as they “geek out” over these ideas.

Episode 29: Work-Life Balance with Dr. Julie Wayne
When it comes to work-life balance - do you think of ‘balance’ as a noun or a verb?
In this episode, our guest, Dr. Julie Wayne shares wisdom on what a healthy work-life balance looks like, and offers practical ways to actually achieve it.
Dr. Julie Holliday Wayne earned her undergraduate degree in psychology at Furman University in 1993 and her Masters and PhD in Industrial/Organizational Psychology at the University of Georgia. In her research, she studies sexual harassment, work-life balance, and workgroup diversity and has published in top management journals and her work has been highlighted in Forbes, Fox News, the Chicago Times, Parent Magazine, and others.

Episode 28: Living a Productive (& Soul-Focused) Life with Theresa Ward
This week, Dr. Sara Musgrove sits down with Theresa Ward to unpack the question...Theresa loves to find the balance between creative concepts and diligent details – it is encoded in her DNA! She has dedicated her career to bridging gaps from brainstorms to finish lines. She embraces work that involves both big-picture strategies and rigorous roll-up-the-sleeves tasks. Don't miss out on this great episode!
Connect with Theresa on LinkedIn, Instagram, and at The Fiery Feather.
Did you know we also post videos of our podcast conversations on YouTube for those who prefer to watch rather than listen?

Episode 27: Fuel for Growth: Values
Have you ever taken the time to consider what your life’s legacy will be? Have you put down on paper the values that are important to you and been honest with yourself about how well you are living into them?
In this episode, the fourth and final in our ‘Fuel for Growth’ summer series, Keith & Sara continue the conversation about unpacking the power and importance of being intentional in naming your values and using them as the True North on your journey toward growing into the person you want to be.
We would love to hear your feedback on any ways we can improve! If there is anything that “you like…”, “you wish…”, or “you wonder…” about our content, our guests, our hosts(!), please reach out via grownups@leaderslyceum.com

Episode 26: Fuel for Growth: Responsibility
In this episode, the third in our ‘Fuel for Growth’ summer series, Keith & Sara continue the conversation and focus on moving from a position of blame to a position of responsibility.
When we allow others to define who we are, we lose sight of the things that matter to us and we aren’t able to make the difference we want to make. Moving from an outside-in definition of who we are to an inside-out understanding is challenging, but the reward is living into your authentic self.
Stay with us over the summer as we continue to focus on what we believe are the foundational elements of growth and what it really looks like to keep on growing as grown-ups!
We would love to hear your feedback on any ways we can improve!
If there is anything that “you like…”, “you wish…”, or “you wonder…” about our content, our guests, our hosts(!), please reach out via grownups@leaderslyceum.com.

Episode 25: Fuel for Growth: Feedback
In today's episode, the second in our ‘Fuel for Growth’ summer series, Keith & Sara focus on how we can introduce challenge and contradiction into our development equation by actively seeking out and embracing...*cue scary music*...Feedback!
No one likes to receive criticism, or be told what their perceived weaknesses are, but if your goal is to keep growing, why would you not want to learn how you can continue to improve?
The value of embracing (and encouraging!) feedback can’t be overstated. To help you engage in what can often be difficult conversations, we are offering three GREAT resources!
1. Download our Self on the Shelf guide for FREE! Get your copy at www.growinggrownups.com/selfonshelf.
2. Register for a FREE webinar to walk you through the Shelf on the Shelf process on August 20.
3. Enroll in our new mini-course, Listening to Lead, designed to help you become a better leader by becoming a better listener. Listeners of the podcast can sign up for an introductory price of $49 (that’s almost 50% off!) now through September 30. https://www.growinggrownups.com/courses/listeningtolead?coupon=SHELF50
Stay with us over the summer as we continue to focus on the foundational elements of growth and what it really looks like to keep on growing as grown-ups!
We would love to hear your feedback on any ways we can improve! If there is anything that “you like…”, “you wish…”, or “you wonder…” about our content, our guests, our hosts(!), please reach out via grownups@leaderslyceum.com

Episode 24: Fuel for Growth: Personality
In this episode, Keith & Sara pick up where we left off with Dr. John Golden to dig deeper into understanding our own personality and explore utilizing personality assessments can fuel our growth.
Keith & Sara have been helping people become better versions of themselves for over 50 years (combined) and have found the impact of understanding both how you are like other people and how you are different to be a powerful element of continued growth.

Episode 23: Understanding Personality (and why we're all a little bit weird!) with John Golden
Have you ever wondered why you did something? Or why someone else is the way they are? Does your personality change as you grow?
These are all questions we discuss with this week’s guest, Dr. John Golden. If you have had any interaction with The Leaders Lyceum and have taken the Golden Personality Profiler – John is the man behind it! Hear his take on personality and the role it plays in our growth.
John is the President & Founder of Golden LLC, a psychological assessment publishing company with a legacy spanning more than 50 years. A central theme among his assessments is their positive and developmental focus designed to help people and the organizations in which they work improve, grow and succeed through a special focus on the practical and beneficial application of accurate self-knowledge and exploration.
We’d love to hear from you. Email us at grownups@leaderslyceum.com with questions or suggestions for topics or guests!

Episode 22: Defy Drift with Todd Sandel
If we are not careful, we can easily become victims of drift- the unintentional disconnect between who you are and how you live. Many leaders find themselves sacrificing physical and relational health in order to achieve the highest levels of professional success, waking up one day to realize that this is not who they want to be.
In today’s episode, executive coach and marriage and family therapist, Todd Sandel, joins us to share how to defy drift.
Todd is the Founder and CEO of The SouthCity Group, a small boutique executive coaching and leadership consultancy firm that addresses leadership change and development from both the clinical and leadership sides of psychology.

Episode 21: Innovating yourself with Dr. Sara Musgrove
In Pt 2 of our Leadership & Design Thinking series, Dr. Keith Eigel interviews our own Dr. Sara Musgrove, to discuss Innovation and Design Thinking, and further unpack the idea that leadership isn't just about having the right answer, but knowing how to get to the right answer.
Sara received her Ph.D. in Industrial/Organizational (I/O) Psychology at the University of Georgia. In addition to her studies in I-O Psychology, Sara also has a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy. Her experience listening to clients and taking into consideration surrounding factors has uniquely prepared her to collaboratively help clients find the best solution to their problems.

Episode 20: Leading Innovation with Scott Sanchez
What does innovation have to do with leadership?
In this episode, Dr. Sara Musgrove and our guest, Scott Sanchez, unpack how the key methods and mindsets of innovation can transform your leadership. The secret - keep people at the center. If you're a leader, spouse, parent, human - this episode is for you!
Scott is a human-driven product innovation leader, with expertise in innovation, product management and design, and a history of turning deep human insights into simple, yet impactful, products and experiences that delight customers.

Episode 19: The Volunteer Effect with Jason Young
If a follower replicates what they have experienced from their leader, are you creating an experience worth replicating?
In this episode, our guest, Jason Young shares wisdom on how to influence people to not just to do what you want them to do, but to help them see the more they can become. While Jason’s expertise is in leading volunteers and hospitality, the leadership truths he shares are extremely relevant to anyone leading anyone.
Jason is an author, speaker, and volunteer expert with a focus on maximizing your leadership, and reclaiming the art of hospitality in your organization.
For more on Jason and his work, visit his website at https://www.jasonyounglive.com/.

Episode 18: Living & Leading with Purpose with John Ramstead
Do you want to live a life more fully alive? What does it mean to live on purpose, with purpose? In this episode our guest, John Ramstead, shares wisdom on how to discover your core values, clarify your mission and leave a Legacy you will be proud of.
John is an author, podcaster, speaker, and leadership expert with an approach to leadership that creates measurable results and is a catalyst for creating significance and success.

Episode 17: Leading Remotely with Kevin Eikenberry
Kevin Eikenberry is a business leader, author, podcaster, and leadership expert with a focus on leading (Remarkably) well while working remotely.
In this episode, Kevin shares wisdom around how we can continue to build relationships with colleagues, lead with empathy, and become an effective long distance teammate.
For more information about Kevin's book, go to www.longdistanceteammate.com
Listen the Remarkable Podcast at www.remarkablepodcast.com.

Episode 16: Growing Well Pt. 2
Leadership maturity isn't the natural byproduct of aging. It requires wisdom, courage, and effort. Having influence requires us to grow into - and take ownership of - who we are and what we stand for. In this episode, Dr. Keith Eigel explains the levels of development, and shares how we can take control of our growth to accelerate progress in leadership, life, and legacy.
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 15: Growing Well.
What are the best practices of those who have grown well? Keith and Sara unpack the themes that came up over and over again in their conversations with amazing leaders.
All of us can employ these practices to accelerate growth to have the influence we desire in areas that matter to us. We just have to learn to lean in.
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 14: Follow-Centered Leadership with Kevin Riley
As the editor for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Kevin Riley knows what it’s like to have all eyes on him, and yet he recognizes that leaders need to pay careful attention to their followers and work for their betterment. Through moving memories of his father and learning the importance of tough feedback, Kevin's story helps us remember to focus on what’s most important in work and life.
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 13: It’s Worth It with Dr. Stuart Rayfield
Life is often a series of unexpected challenges, both big and small. Today’s guest encourages us that when we keep our eyes focused on what really matters, the rollercoaster of life is worth it. Through a series of identity shaking challenges in college, to being tasked with leading the COVID response for the entire University System of George, Dr. Stuart Rayfield has learned the importance of being a perpetual student, being vulnerable, and pushing through the struggle.

Episode 12: The Power of Perseverance with Bill Renje
Former Paralympic gold medalist, Bill Renje, shares his story of how a crippling gunshot at 18 turned his world upside down and possibly saved his life. Through the power of perseverance, a positive attitude and a grounding faith, Bill has become an inspirational leader committed to investing in the lives of others.
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt
Learn more about the Leaders Lyceum: https://leaderslyceum.com/

Episode 11: Growing Ourselves to Grow Others with Dr. Kyle Marrero
The leadership lessons that can be learned from this opera singer turned university president are so powerful that we don’t want anyone to miss them. Dr. Kyle Marrero from Georgia Southern University shares stories of facing challenges that taught him the importance of always leading from your values, being willing to try and fail, and investing in others becoming the best versions of themselves.
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 10: Making the Most of the New Year with Keith Eigel and Sara Musgrove
At the start of any new year, many people take the time to reflect on where they’ve been and what they’d like to be different. Sadly, too often these goals and resolutions fail, often after just a few days. Today, your hosts share what they’ve learned about how to make transformative life changes more effectively. Our hope for you is that you will continue to grow into the person you want to be over this coming year and beyond.
Download the Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt
Sign up for Challenge to Change: https://www.growinggrownups.com/courses/c2c

Episode 09: Don’t Run from the Crucible of Suffering with Dale Jones
If anyone knows anything about leadership, it’s today’s guest. Dale Jones is the CEO of Diversified Search Group, one of the best executive search firms in the world. Dale shares his story of building resilience and finding purpose from an early age and how even today he continues to confront challenges, both internal and external, in order to keep making the difference he wants to make. Stay with us through the end. His concluding exhortation to listeners is absolutely invaluable.

Episode 08: Living a Life of Purpose with C.J. Stewart
From a young age, CJ Stewart knew he wanted to play baseball for the Chicago Cubs. Against all odds, growing up in poverty in Atlanta, CJ’s dream came true. Now, baseball has moved beyond his profession to become the pathway to fulfill his purpose— rescuing the counted-out boys of Atlanta and teaching them that they are significant. Join us for this week’s podcast as CJ shares his story of growing into himself and living a life grounded in purpose.
Follow C.J. on social media:
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cj.stewart.773
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamcjstewart/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamcjstewart
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cjstewartatl/
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 07: Listen, Learn and Lead with Mike Lauderdale
Where’s the balance between confident and humility? How do you lead with confidence without missing out on the obvious because of your arrogance?
Mike Lauderdale brings a new perspective as our first guest working in a large corporation. Mike is a VP of Human Resources for FedEx and is someone we have come to know as a leader that is truly respected and admired by those around him. Throughout this conversation, you’ll hear stories that demonstrate a maturity of perspective from someone who has learned to take ownership over his personality rather than letting it have ownership over him. Mike’s wish for us all is also our wish for you in this episode: find the happy!
Download our Growth Gap Tool: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt
Purchase our online course, "Challenge to Change": https://www.growinggrownups.com/courses/c2c

Episode 06: Finding Commonality in a Divided Country with Dr. Karl Kuhnert
Today is a divisive day in America as people cast their votes for one side or another. Yet as Abraham Lincoln said, “a house divided against itself cannot stand.” Dr. Karl Kuhnert shares his wisdom and insight on what is needed from each of us to build an enduring community by focusing more on what we have in common rather than what sets us apart. He shares how outgrowing his need to be right has helped him on his own journey of growth and leadership and encourages us to do the same.
Close the gap between who you are and who you want to be: https://www.growinggrownups.com/ggt

Episode 05: Know what you’re FOR with Jeff Henderson
When making difficult choices, even ones that people think are crazy, it’s important that you are grounded in the knowledge of your calling and your passion. Author, speaker, and leader Jeff Henderson shares with us his story of leading through difficult times by acknowledging that “anything worth pursuing is going to be difficult.” Like all of us, even renowned leaders like Jeff face doubts, but we can be encouraged by hearing how he has learned how to lean in and lead in an effective and inspiring way. Jeff truly is a leader that others love to follow.
BIO
Forbes Magazine named Jeff Henderson one of 20 speakers you shouldn’t miss. His message is based on his experience working with organizations such as Chick-fil-A, the Atlanta Braves and North Point Ministries. Over the past 17 years, Jeff helped launch three churches and inspired churches around the world with the FOR strategy outlined in his book, Know What You’re FOR. He now leads the FOR Company —helping organizations define what they want to be known FOR.
Check out Jeff's website
Learn more about The FOR Company
Connect with Jeff on LinkedIn
Follow Jeff on Twitter
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Episode 04: Leading as Your Authentic Self with Christi Gordy
How do you lead effectively as a ninja acrobat when the world keeps telling you to be a linebacker? Christi shares her story of learning to embrace her authentic self as a leader, recognizing that her creativity and feelings are her superpower, not a weakness. Rather then being paralyzed by the overwhelming unknowns that characterize the world today, she is asking herself what part she can play in the history that is being told right now, working towards a better future rather than waiting for the world to return to “normal.” Her advice to other leaders is not to be missed!
Links and resources:
Learn more about Canopy Life Academy
Sign up to be a Handpicked Sponsor
Connect with Christi on LinkedIn
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Episode 03: Leading through Three Global Pandemics– with Dr. Stuart Gulley
How do you lead when three global pandemics converge at one time? Dr. Stuart Gulley, president of the largest independent school in the continental United States, shares his journey of learning to lead through challenges. He has learned that we grow best as individuals when we can experience the world through the eyes of someone different than ourselves, and that truth seems more important now than ever. Dr. Gulley brings a wisdom and maturity to his leadership that serves as a model for us all.
Links and resources:
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Learn more about Woodward Academy
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Episode 02: Rising Above Your Circumstances with Mohamed Massaquoi
When faced with incredible loss, former NFL wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi did not become a victim of his circumstances but rather chose to take ownership of his life. His powerful story inspires us all to believe that with preparation and perseverance, we can face challenges and come out better on the other side.
Links and resources:
Learn more about The VESSOL: thevessol.com/
Connect with Mohamed on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mohamedmassaquoi
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Episode 01: Growing As Grown-Ups
Just because you’re a grown-up, it doesn’t mean you’re done growing. We want to demystify the ways we keep growing as grown-ups by sharing with you what both science and experience has taught us. In this episode, we want to introduce ourselves to you and explain the formula for growth that you will hear referenced throughout the coming episodes.
Links and resources:
- Download your free copy of the Growth Gap Tool and the supporting chapter from Dr. Eigel’s book.
- Connect with us on LinkedIn
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- Check out our website
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