By Nina Paley
HeterodorxMay 25, 2023
Alasdair Gunn: It’s Fun To Play Scrabble With A Linguist
Vice Director of Genspect Alasdair Gunn (nee Angus Fox) rejoins the Dorx to recap Killarney’s Bigger Picture conference, compare European and US approaches to gender issues, and update us on his health. Soon Corinna is pushing exogenous estrogen on Nina, who just wants to settle down with a female housemate despite being recently named a Scarlet Whore. Other major themes include menopause, burly Irish asphalt workers, tarot cards, and repeated threats by Corinna to edit all this out. It’s the quality content our firefighting, tree-felling, cooking and cleaning listeners expect!
Shawn Thierry’s Texas speech: https://twitter.com/lukemaciastx/status/1657213918048034817
IMPRO by Keith Johnstone: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-KIkLrSPi_3lzPl5v
GENDER WARS Playing Cards which can totally also be used for Tarot-style divination: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/gender-wars-playing-cards/
Ask an Autogynephile! with Phil Illy
Most autogynephiles — men sexually aroused by impersonating, embodying, or identifying as women — are so deeply ashamed of their condition they deny its existence. Phil Illy is a rare exception whose acceptance and curiosity led him to research and write a book on the topic. We discuss attraction to others (“allosexuality”) vs attraction to embodied states or oneself (“autosexuality”); the narcissism of falling in love; “meta-sexuality”; gender-based vs. sex-based attraction; autism as identity; pillow queens; Corinna’s boobs; Bronies; paranormal romance novels; pseudobisexuality; and autozoophilic trans turtles. After all our somewhat explicit talk about sex, we conclude it continues to be real, people continue to be weird, and everyone needs to CHILL OUT.
Autoheterosexuality by Phil Illy: autohetbook.com
Phil Illy's Substack: phililly.substack.com
Phil on Twitter: @autogynephilic
The Heterodorx get Blocked and Reported with Katie Herzog and Jessie Singal
For our celebratory 100th episode, podcasting role-models Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal join the Dorx as special guest audio engineers. Except Corinna’s been so busy testifying for “anti-trans" bills around the country, and Nina’s been so sick with COVID, that we only made it to episode 98. Nonetheless, we cover gender wars, egregious reporting, backlashes, Drag Queen story hours, Trump Derangement Syndrome, the Minority Stress Model, men in women’s sports, persecution complexes, Twitter, Substack, pizzas, Katie’s goddess-like spouse, Nina’s “butch energy,” safety pins, and pronouns, learning that in spite of a few irreconcilable differences, all agree that “they” is a terrible choice for individuals.
Katie & Jesse's podcast: https://www.blockedandreported.org/
Riley Gaines at San Francisco State University: https://www.thefire.org/news/protestors-chased-down-riley-gaines-after-her-campus-speech-sfsu-says-its-proud-events
Posie Parker in New Zealand: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2023/03/25/kellie-jay-keen-is-attacked-and-mobbed-by-trans-activists-in-new-zealand/
Nina’s GiveSendGo: https://www.givesendgo.com/apocalypseanimated
Incorrigible? with Zander Keig
From anti-social teenage lesbian drop-out, to Coast Guardsman, to seminarian, to licensed clinical social worker, Zander Keig has led a singular life. Like Corinna, Zander is an old-school transsexual, but the culture has changed since the (not actually) halcyon tranny days of yore. Recently, Zander went from being WPATH Educator of the Year to becoming the subject of an ethics complaint and an underhanded cancel campaign — for committing the unforgivable sin of advising the Gender Dysphoria Alliance. Keig’s equanimity stands out even more than the fascinating, insightful, and occasionally harrowing stories on this episode.
Zander Keig’s website: https://www.zanderkeig.net/
Gender Dysphoria Alliance: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/
Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism: https://www.fairforall.org/
Therapy Talk with James Esses
Mild-mannered therapist-in-training James Esses was expelled from his university after expressing concerns about child safeguarding in relation to gender transition. Now he's fighting for his day in court. Focusing on "positive change in society," he fills in the Dorx on the whole story, and discusses the therapy industry, speaking out, cancel culture’s reign of terror, a variety of delusions, and the importance of acknowledging Reality for mental health.
James Esses’s Legal crowdfunder: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/expelled-university-free-speech/
James Esses on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamesEsses
Speaking and Thinking with Helen Joyce
Helen Joyce is a journalist, former writer and editor at The Economist, and author of TRANS: When Ideology Meets Reality. She joins the Dorx to discuss what is and is not Worthy Of Respect In A Democratic Society, the importance of free speech to free thought, the stupefaction of political polarization, differences between TERF Island and the USA, Left-wing “discipline,” splits in the gender-critical movement, and more. Nina is such a drooling fangirl she barely flinches when her work is compared to painted stones and crocheted vulvas, and Corinna asks refreshing questions.
TRANS: When Ideology Meets Reality: https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/trans-news-and-reviews/
Sex Matters: https://sex-matters.org/
Compliance Comix: https://www.heterodorx.com/compliancecomix/
The CAIS Files
Fetishized, minimized, and co-opted: Is it an identity? A “gotcha”? A political football? Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is in fact a serious medical condition, vanishingly rare yet disproportionately discussed by everyone with an agenda in the gender wars. Jo, a.k.a. CAIS Files, is a Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist, adoptive mother, and adult with CAIS, who eloquently sets the record straight on what Disorders of Sexual Development (DSDs) are and are not. Just like sex is a material reality rather than a feeling in a fantasist's head, so are the numerous conditions (mis)labeled "intersex". Enjoy the edifying wisdom and common sense of this long-overdue, much-anticipated episode.
CAIS files on Twitter: https://twitter.com/CAIS_Files
The Dreger-Wright debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aKX8Mcz9Q&ab_channel=CorinnaCohn
Carole Hooven: http://www.carolehooven.com/
TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
DSD Families: https://www.dsdfamilies.org/charity
Differently Normal blog: https://differently-normal.com/blog-2/
How to Speak, How to Listen, and How to Comply
Corinna has been VERY BUSY speaking out against medically harming children or in favor of genocide (depending), including delivering this excellent 3-minute testimony supporting Indiana SB 480. Nina grapples with the Kafkaesque nightmare that is Indiegogo. Corinna encounters some activists from Planned Parenthood giving free advice on “blocking that legal stuff.” We’ve missed posting podcasts regularly; between all the travel, testifying, day job (Corinna) and weeping in despair (Nina), we just haven’t had time. So please enjoy this unedited quickie we recorded this morning.
Corinna’s testimony for Indiana SB 480: https://youtu.be/wYhMejWA_zg
FOX59 news coverage of that same session: https://youtu.be/P_nP-bVyfMQ
How to Speak, How to Listen by Mortimer J. Adler: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Speak-How-to-Listen/Mortimer-J-Adler/9780684846477
Compliance Comix: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/compliance-comix/
Agents of H.A.G.: https://www.heterodorx.com/hag/
The Witch Trials of JK Rowling: https://www.thefp.com/p/the-witch-trials-of-jk-rowling
The View from Canada with Stuart Parker
Canada, which National Lampoon once called “The Retarded Giant on Your Doorstep,” is just as affectionately known today as “Tranada.” It’s also the home of lifelong leftist, environmentalist, activist, prolific writer, and shape-shifting space lizard Stuart Parker. A former child-star-activist à la Greta Thunberg, Parker tells all about Canadian eugenics programs, Wallace Wong, “supportive housing”, the post-political era, Big Pharma, liberal nationalism, multi-culturalism, TERF blacklists, Morgane Oger, the role of mascot enforcer, total social immunity, getting canceled, and more. The Dorx are frequently shocked, and not just because Parker’s sarcasm surpasses Corinna’s.
Stuart Parker on Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuartlosaltos
Parker's website: http://stuartparker.ca/
Los Altos Institute: https://www.losaltos.ca/
No-Makeup Tips with Holly Lawford-Smith
Nina is both lazy and unafraid to look bad, as she fails to prepare a proper intro for magnificent political philosopher, author, and Quillette columnist Dr. Holly Lawford-Smith. Those same qualities are why Nina doesn’t wear makeup; Lawford-Smith shares some of her own. Even token tranny Corinna has some no-makeup tips, such as waiting 5-7 years between applications. Then Lawford-Smith answers, and asks, some profound questions: Is makeup attractive, or a signal of compliance? What counts as philosophy? Is long hair radfem? What is Gender Critical Feminism? Does bullshit emanate from the Anglosphere, or from France? Is buying sex wrong? Prepare to be dazzled by beauty, intelligence, and humor that are anything but skin-deep.
The Radical Notion: https://theradicalnotion.org/
Nina’s twitter makeup polls: https://twitter.com/ninapaley/status/1613321903846068225
Elaine Miller: Behind the Merkin
Elaine Miller is a pelvic physiotherapist, award-winning comedic performer, women’s rights campaigner, and now Edinburgh council candidate. She recounts how she became the infamous “Holyrood Flasher,” scandalized her children, and taught much of the ignorant world what a merkin is. She also discusses why male people cannot have periods, “gender difference,” comedy, fetishes, organ transplants, incontinence, the Bristol Stool Chart, bumholes, and much more. All in a lovely Scottish accent that melts the hearts of Amerkins like Corinna, who has NO REGRETS, and Nina, who reveals some very personal lady issues and clenches her Kegels through the entire interview.
Elaine’s web site: gussetgrippers.co.uk
The Naked Athena of Portland: https://www.artdealerstreet.com/single-post/2020/08/21/the-vulnerable-warrior-of-portland
Dave Chappelle’s show The Closer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closer_(2021_film)
Bristol stool chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_stool_scale
Tampax sponsors Dylan Mulvaney: https://www.newsweek.com/boycott-tampax-trends-company-slammed-trans-sponsors-1761556
'Flashing' feminist Elaine Miller to stand in Edinburgh council by-election: https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/flashing-feminist-elaine-miller-stand-29057411
Dialing Down the Misanthropy with Heather Heying
Evolutionary biologist, former Evergreen college professor, Dark Horse podcaster, and author Heather Heying shares her thoughts on academia. We learn Heying is the daughter of a university math professor, like Nina. Corinna then nudges the two faculty spawn into a lively argument about just how much women submit to men, and whether social conditioning or biology are the cause. Plus, utopianism and its discontents, social stratification, consuming junk, environmental issues, and why life is too short to eat lousy chocolate.
Heather Heying’s web site: https://www.heatherheying.com/
Heying’s Substack: https://naturalselections.substack.com/
Heying on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HeatherEHeying
Dark Horse Podcast: https://www.bretweinstein.net/darkhorse-podcast
A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: https://www.huntergatherersguide.com/
On resigning from the Board of the University of Austin: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/uatxresignation
Circling the Rhetorical Drain with Alex Byrne and Carole Hooven
Why do debates about trans rights always get sucked into arguments about Disorders of Sexual Development? Philosophy professor Alex Byrne and Biology professor Carole Hooven join the Dorx for some “Monday night quarterbacking” on the Dreger-Wright debate. But first, Carole and Nina compare notes on hysterectomies, oopherctomies, and menopause. Then it’s on to why “bullshit” shouldn’t replace facts even to be “nice,” what “sex is real” actually means, the red herring of DSDs, how the humanities suffer from “science envy,” luxury beliefs, why allies ruin everything, and more. Nina ends it on a happy note: the impending extinction of everything.
Maggie Chapman replaces facts with bullshit: https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1605929587220676609
Carole Hooven tweets about C/AIS (over)representation in sports: https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1604137509805428736
Alex Byrne: https://philosophy.mit.edu/byrne/
Carole Hooven: http://www.carolehooven.com/
The Dreger-Wright Debate: https://youtu.be/K2aKX8Mcz9Q
Nina Gets Canceled (Again) & Corinna Predicts the Future
After raising 150% of her goal on IndieGoGo, the crowdfunding platform cancels Nina’s first comic book in 30 years, Agents of H.A.G.. Money, funders, orders — all gone, 2 days after the 2-week campaign ended. Meanwhile, Corinna observes fissures between Gender Critical factions widening into increasingly insurmountable chasms. The future looks dystopian, and so does the present!
Alice Dreger vs. Colin Wright
This very non-representative episode of Heterodorx is the recording of the formal, timed debate between Alice Dreger and Colin Wright, which was held live Monday December 7 2022. They set out to resolve the claim, “Biological sex is real, immutable, and binary.” Did they succeed? Listen and decide for yourself!
Dreger-Wright debate on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aKX8Mcz9Q&ab_channel=CorinnaCohn
Good Trans, Bad Trans with Katy Montgomerie
After some small talk about the holidays, trans YouTuber, activist, and social media bon vivant Katy Montgomerie cheerfully and calmly explains how Gender Criticals aren’t feminist, believe in sexed souls, advocate for the elimination of trans people, and want to ruin Katy’s life. Unlike the sucking-up-to-the-oppressor trans friends of JK Rowling — whom Katy claims is openly hostile to trans people — Katy is NOT “one of the good ones.” Katy is, however, a good sport, and clearly elucidates a set of moral and policy positions. Good or bad? Listen and decide for yourself!
Katy Montgomerie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie
Adult Human Weirdo T-shirts: https://nina-paley-shirts.creator-spring.com/listing/adult-human-weirdo
T: The Story of Testosterone by Carole Hooven: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250236067/tthestoryoftestosteronethehormonethatdominatesanddividesus
The Dreger-Wright debate (December 12 2022): https://youtu.be/K2aKX8Mcz9Q
Gays Against Groomers with Michael
Michael (first name only) talks about Gays Against Groomers, a non-profit non-partisan gay rights organization opposing the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of children. What is grooming? What’s the difference between “gay” and LGBTQ++? Is there porn in school libraries? Michael didn’t grow up in the same world as Corinna or Nina (who is as old as his mom), and we discover a generation gap in experience and activism. But despite our differences, there’s one thing we all agree on: “eunuchs are hot.”
Gays Against Groomers: https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/
GAG on Twitter: https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs
Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network: https://www.gccan.org/
Julie Bindel Heterodorx episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-81-julie-bindel-defines-feminism/
Image of adults protecting children from a rainbow: https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/event-details/protect-the-children-rally
Ask A Marxist! with Ben Burgis
After Corinna takes a confusing online class, the Dorx ask author, professor, podcaster, and Marxist Ben Burgis what the heck “Transgender Marxism” is. Also: what do Conservatives conserve? Is “transgender” a class? What is social reproduction, and who does it? Does Ben draw a distinction between gender and sex? Why have Nina’s efforts to genocide Corinna via misgendering continually failed? Is “hate speech” Free Speech? Can every cook govern? This episode is a class in itself.
Ben Burgis’s Give Them An Argument podcast, Slavoj Žižek episode - https://youtu.be/Xnmz_aLrEUM
Ben Burgis at Jacobin magazine - https://jacobin.com/author/ben-burgis
Ben Burgis at Daily Beast - https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/ben-burgis
Ben Burgis on Twitter - https://twitter.com/BenBurgis
Transgender Marxism - https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745341668/transgender-marxism/
Heterodorx Helen Dale episode - https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-80-the-we-hate-hate-speech-speech-with-helen-dale/
Heterodorx Wilfred Reilly episode - https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-82-hoaxes-wokeses-and-other-folkses-with-wilfred-reilly/
Heterodorx Buck Angel episode - https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-77-gimme-that-old-time-transsexualism-with-buck-angel/
Hoaxes, Wokeses, and Other Folkses with Wilfred Reilly
WARNING: Corinna starts this episode with a challenging variation of our jingle that might hurt your ears. If you can withstand that, you’re in for a treat, as social scientist, author, and "greatest mind of a generation" Wilfred Reilly speaks entertainingly and insightfully about how the class-analysis-based Old Left got replaced with “wokeism”. Plus the immobility of identity, criticism of Alcoholics Anonymous, hate hoaxes, fake crimes, narrative collapses, fragility, pronouns, and how “every single claim made by BLM is BS.” Don’t say we didn’t warn you!
Wilfred Reilly on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630
on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Wilfred-Reilly/e/B07RBL17FQ%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
on fecebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilfredReilly630
Media Matters hit piece on Corinna: https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/recent-witness-anti-trans-legislative-hearings-claims-trans-people-did-not-even-exist-1939
Julie Bindel Defines Feminism
What is a feminist? Journalist, author, and English badass Julie Bindel has opinions, informed by decades of work in the Women’s Liberation movement. We discuss women who aren’t feminists being mistaken for feminists, women denouncing feminism, far-right incursions into feminism, male protectionism, Political Lesbianism, kicking men in the nuts, separatism, homosexuality, butch-femme nonsense, bodyguards, Patriarchy, incels, and fake leftist men. Bindel passionately, intelligently, and articulately voices a Feminist position that will satisfy supporters, while supplying substance and heft for detractors to push against.
Julie Bindel’s Substack: https://juliebindel.substack.com/
Julie Bindel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bindelj
Andrea Dworkin - Right Wing Women: https://www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Andrea-DWORKIN-Right-Wing-Women-The-Politics-of-Domesticated-Females-1983.pdf
The Lesbian Heresy by Sheila Jeffreys: https://www.spinifexpress.com.au/backlist/p/9781875559176
The We Hate Hate Speech Speech with Helen Dale
Classical Liberal, celebrated author, retired lawyer, and Smart Person Helen Dale regales the Dorx with a history of "hate speech", citing Marbury vs. Madison, the Allport Scale, John Stuart Mill, entrenched judicial review, decolonization and anti-colonization movements, the pernicious influence of the Soviet Union, and COMMIE NONSENSE. Nina interrupts her a few times to discuss the incitement of mobs, Kellie-Jay Keene’s US tour, and why Dale thinks feminism is “mad.” After a short vape break, Dale returns to Liberal Toryism, freedom of association, Hadrian’s Rescript, loos in developing countries, “non-crime hate incidents” in the UK, the marketplace of ideas, and why “lobbyists are bonkers”. Can the Law save humanity from itself? Listen up and pay attention, because Dale’s citations fly faster than the pages of a thrown encyclopedia.
A Mere Sampling of Links:
Helen Dale on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Helen-Dale/e/B001K82V2G%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
Helen Dale on Twitter: https://twitter.com/_helendale
Law & Liberty: https://lawliberty.org/author/helen-dale/
Louise Perry: https://www.louisemperry.co.uk/
The Secret of Our Success: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691178431/the-secret-of-our-success
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights: https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights
FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression: https://www.thefire.org/
The Un-Flat World of Simon Edge
Simon Edge’s most recent novel, The End of the World is Flat, lampoons the corruption and inversion of Stonewall and other LGB organizations from the safe distance of satire. While Edge was evolving from slightly bitter young journalist, to married and socially-integrated author, the institutions that once represented him were losing their hearts, souls, minds, and constituencies. We discuss the failures of journalism, the benefits of gaining perspective with age, the power of Low-Income Privilege, and Owen Jones, who is as quintessentially British as tea and crumpets but less appetizing. Plus, Corinna sings our beloved intro jingle, and Nina pledges to cling to corrosive resentments rather than forgive. It’s not really the end of the world, it just feels like it sometimes.
The End of the World is Flat: https://www.amazon.com/End-World-Flat-Simon-Edge/dp/178563240X
Simon Edge books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Simon-Edge/e/B001HPX6PI/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Simon Edge on Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonjedge
This Land is Mine - Nina’s most popular animation: https://vimeo.com/50531435
Nina’s Menopause t-shirt: https://nina-paley-shirts.creator-spring.com/listing/menopause-is-badass
Pride and Prejudice
In this impromptu, unedited, and super-fresh episode, Corinna discusses the Spencer Pridefest, “the largest rural LGBTQ+ gathering in the state of Indiana.” How do ever-changing flags and identities impact the sticker-and-trinket-seller economy? Should kids be having sex? Do gay people exist any more? What the hell happened since the 1990’s? See Corinna's photos at heterodorx.com.
Gimme That Old-Time Transsexualism with Buck Angel
Parent, pornographer, and kinky icon Buck “Tranpa” Angel joins the Dorx for some good old-time tranny talk with Corinna, plus some new-time TERF talk and female bonding with Nina (both have had hysterectomies). We discuss Instagram censoring Buck’s recent interview with a young survivor of medical interventions; PayPal penalizing wrongspeak; porn, finance, and the law; Teletubbies; detransitioners; orgasms; misogyny; cowardice; the importance of not transing children; and whether Nina gives off a “butch lesbian vibe.” Nina mis-sexes Buck twice, and Corinna reveals more about “trans-affirming health care” causing sexual disability. We laugh, we cry (inside), and we take everything less seriously than the “queer activists” of today.
Buck Angel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BuckAngel
Buck Angel’s youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/BuckAngelOfficial/
Nina’s menopause shirt: https://nina-paley-shirts.creator-spring.com/listing/menopause-is-badass
Our Kate Bornstein episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-72-auntie-kate-uncle-nina-and-mx-cohn-with-kate-bornstein/
Gays Against Groomers: https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/
Tell Us How You Really Feel, Corinna
Sincerity displaces sarcasm for a few minutes as Corinna offers a rare glimpse into the anguish underlying his advocacy, starting with a profound dream and its possible interpretations. Nina has a list of Gender Bullshit News; the Dorx focus on WPATH’s new “standards of care,” which functionally eliminate patient rights. Corinna rethinks his staunch Libertarian position on legislation, as banning “gender affirming” medical procedures on minors may be the only option left. Nina despairs at the Internet Archive's removal of Kiwi Farms from its Wayback Machine, formerly the last safeguard against Orwellian online memory-holing. Plus, a tense and worthwhile argument over eunuchs. It all sounds like a bad dream, but it’s only 2022.
Corinna’s Kiwi Farms article: https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need-kiwi-farms
Velocipe Cycladia: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2020/08/08/exorcise-bike-part-2-velocipe-cycladia/
Church of the Subgenius: http://www.subgenius.com/
The Ink Black Heart: https://robert-galbraith.com/?stories=the-ink-black-heart
The Internet Archive: https://archive.org/
Stephanie Winn is Some Kind of Therapist
Stephanie Winn is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, advocate for victims of gender medicine, and podcaster. She shares some tales of her grad school training, including a cultish “T-group” retreat, before moving on to trauma resilience, appropriate boundaries, and the savior complex of some clinicians. But first, we warn listeners to mask up, socially distance, and vaccinate their audio equipment, because Corinna has COVID! Between being oppressed by a TERFy co-host, exhausted by trans-everything, and contracting the plague, it’s no wonder Corinna needs advice. Can Winn deliver? Listen and find out!
You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist: https://www.sometherapist.com/
Mental health for detransitioners twitter thread: https://twitter.com/sometherapist/status/1560735125326815233
Genspect - Beyond Transition: https://genspect.org/beyond/
Derrick Jensen episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/blog/episode-31-goin-tribal/
The Parts We Play with Ben Appel
When nonfiction writer Ben Appel attended a non-traditional program at Columbia University, barely more than a decade separated him from the younger students who had already displaced gay with “queer” - and displayed open hatred of “cis gays” like himself. Ben knows what homophobia looks like, and recognized it in the “safe spaces” pervading campus culture. His introspective writing is informed by his experience in cults, as well as his recovery. He discusses the difference between slurs and validation trophies; victimhood as a component of identity; medicalizing homosexuality; feminism; and the ideological capture of minds and institutions.
Ben Appel on victimhood: https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/victimhood-is-one-helluva-drug
The New Homophobia: https://www.newsweek.com/new-homophobia-opinion-1698969
Julie Bindel interviews Ben Appel: https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/an-interview-with-ben-appel#details
Corinna’s Washington Post piece: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/11/i-was-too-young-to-decide-about-transgender-surgery-at-nineteen/
The End of the World is Flat by Simon Edge: https://www.amazon.com/End-World-Flat-Simon-Edge/dp/178563240X
Walking the Talk with Doc Stock
Neither trans-exclusionary nor a radical feminist, philosopher and author Kathleen Stock has been branded a TERF and harassed out of her university, while simultaneously gaining recognition as one of world's top thinkers. That's because she thinks deeply and critically, and tells the truth. Whether it’s Corinna’s comparison of transgenderism with transracialism, or Nina’s assertion that right-on lefty dudes are misogynists, Stock has heard, and thought about, it all — and has eloquent responses. We discuss immersion in legal and cultural fictions, “bullshit theories of womanhood,” DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender), child transition, online disembodiment, pronouns, “massive edifice(s) of bullshit,” women being terrible to women, and cowardice, especially in academia.
Kathleen Stock’s Substack: https://kathleenstock.substack.com/
Kathleen Stock’s website: https://kathleenstock.com/
Kathleen Stock on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Docstockk
Material Girls: https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/kathleen-stock/material-girls/9780349726595/
Kate Bornstein episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-72-auntie-kate-uncle-nina-and-mx-cohn-with-kate-bornstein/
Lyell Asher episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-67-an-education-on-education-with-dr-lyell-asher/
University of Austin: https://www.uaustin.org/
Auntie Kate, Uncle Nina, and Mx Cohn - with Kate Bornstein
Author and gender theorist Kate Bornstein identifies as a “tranny” and “dyke,” and is male according to Nina, whom he identifies as a “sex fundamentalist” and “butch lesbian.” We disagree in better-than-good, possibly-excellent faith, about pronouns, respect, sex, gender, and atheism, while agreeing about keeping males out of female prisons, the trap of identity, and how to behave in church. A fun conversation with plenty for listeners to disagree with, too!
Kate Bornstein: http://katebornstein.com/
Anne Fausto-Sterling, Sexologist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Fausto-Sterling
A response to Anne-Fausto-Sterling (among many): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/
Adult Human Weirdos
Corinna and Nina spontaneously sing the Heterodorx jingle, hoping British listeners will not hear “ducks” in “heterodox.” There’s plenty of exciting news from TERF Island, but nothing tops the American story of a transsexual podcaster pursuing Dave Chappelle in his hometown of Yellow Springs, Ohio. Nina pitches a commercially viable rom-com, Corinna fishes for a live show invitation, and both recall an unusually festive event from 2019. Did we mention the new Heterodorx T-shirt? Yes we did, including the touching story of its origin.
Adult Human Weirdo shirts: https://nina-paley-shirts.creator-spring.com/listing/adult-human-weirdo
Art Coop job application: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSePtw0qALB2z-X18ucfAeb241pZjaXMzEsm4Dx1egX3B-zN-A/viewform
Virtual Late-Night Dorm Room with Lev Polyakov
Russian-American animator Lev Polyakov hosts and produces the Break The Rules podcast, which brings together extremely diverse viewpoints from the online testosteronosphere. A thoughtful, well-spoken, and generous conversationalist, Lev can talk to anyone - even the Dorx. After discussing such serious topics as the war in Ukraine, America’s military-industrial-propaganda complex, and “counter-semitism,” Lev moves on to the Estrogen experience (Corinna’s and Nina’s differ greatly), alchemy, waking dreams, trippy psychedelic meditation stuff, his vibrating Third Eye, generating 3-D movies inside his head, Torah, and the New York animation scene of 2004. Break the rules and pass the bong*!
*None of us actually use weed, as far as I know.
Break the Rules: breaktherules.tv
Led Zepplin - Black Dog: https://youtu.be/fl6s1x9j4QQ
Exodus 33: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2033%3A17-23&version=KJV
Fediverse Follies with Alex Gleason
Where do you go when you get banned by fecebook and twitter - or, conversely, when you think mainstream social media isn’t censoring enough? To the Fediverse, where free-speech refugees and would-be Orwellian dictators form ever-more polarized online communities. Returning Heterodork Alex Gleason, who created the popular Soapbox platform, relates some recent behind-the-scenes Fedi drama. The same tribal politics skewing mainstream social media, guide Fedi developers as well - but with less money! This makes the Fediverse the worst social media system, except for all the others. (Which are so much worse you really should join the Fedi.)
Episode 8: Guest Heterodork Alex Gleason: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-8-guest-heterodork-alex-gleason/
Pleroma Is Dead: https://blog.alexgleason.me/pleroma-is-dead/
The first and best woman-centered social media: spinster.xyz
Nina’s terrorist Fedi site: neenster.org
Alex's Fedi instance: gleasonator.com
Join the Fediverse: https://jointhefedi.com/
Maud Maron, TERF for Congress
A defense lawyer and Democrat who knows what a woman is, Maud Maron is running for Congress in New York’s 10th District. She discusses Title 9, woke fragility, getting canceled by other Democrats, trans narratives pushed on teenagers, TERF Island, illiberalism on the Left, pronouns, Truscum fallacies, TERFs, men in women’s sports, TERFing, language, TERF, guns, TERFs, abortion, TERF, COVID, TERFs, and all things TERFy. Did we mention she’s a TERF? Nina almost regrets moving away from NYC’s West Village 10 years ago. Maron may be a little ahead of her time, but might (hopefully?) signal political changes to come.
Maud Maron for Congress: https://maudmaron.com/
Maud Maron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MaudMaron
Episode 66: Truscum Talk with Evie: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-66-truscum-talk-with-evie/
An Education on Education with Dr. Lyell Asher
First, please listen to Dr. Lyell Asher's video, Why Colleges Are Becoming Cults. Then come back to hear more about the low quality of ed schools, the supply of racism not meeting demand, how supporting free speech is an “employment killer", cowardly Boards of Directors, tenure, race as a distraction from class, administrative bloat, and grade inflation. Plus, Nina reveals her plans to kill trans people by inviting them on long bike rides when they’re out of shape, and Corinna wishes there were more Marxists.
Why Colleges Are Becoming Cults [Full Series] | Dr. Lyell Asher https://youtu.be/0hybqg81n-M
Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber https://www.rentabasicauniversal.es/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bullshit-Jobs_-A-Theory-David-Graeber.pdf
Woke, Inc. https://www.vivekramaswamy.com/wokeinc
Rob Henderson - Luxury Beliefs https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-status-symbol-for-rich-americans/
Nina’s Open Letter to the U of I https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/02/28/open-letter-to-the-university-of-illinois/
Gibson’s Bakery v. Oberlin College https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson%27s_Bakery_v._Oberlin_College
Nina’s TERFening https://blog.ninapaley.com/2017/03/22/the-terfening-online-silencing-campaign/
How Ed Schools Became a Menace to Higher Education - https://quillette.com/2019/03/06/how-ed-schools-became-a-menace-to-higher-education/
Low Definition in Higher Education - https://theamericanscholar.org/low-definition-in-higher-education/
Truscum Talk with Evie
Evie, a pseudonymous transsexual, claims True Transsexuality is a physiological condition akin to intersex, arguing childhood medical transition is a corrective for “prenatal hormone exposure, abnormal androgen receptors and physiological brain differences”. The Dorx may not agree, but have a productive and interesting conversation as Evie refreshingly backs up arguments with evidence (of varying validity) instead trying to weasel out with postmodern doublespeak. There should be more conversations like this.
Trans surgeon Marci Bowers on early transitioners’ anorgasmia: https://twitter.com/DonovanCleckley/status/1521625518394773505
Gods, GITs, and Religion with Colette Colfer
Colette Colfer, lecturer in Religious Studies at SETU, discusses some religious aspects of Gender Identity Theory (GIT), including faith in the unprovable; hierarchical community; holy days, festivals, and symbols; heresy and blasphemy; and a a way to be born again. But there are also differences, notably the absence of God. Nina attempts to explain this with a theory of “distributed God”, while Corinna describes gender apostasy. Are we getting less religious? What is the difference between a religion and a cult? What is Reality? Hear answers, and more questions, in Colfer's delightful Irish accent (and the Dorx's unexceptional American ones).
Colette Colfer on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ColetteColfer
A New Religion: https://www.broadsheet.ie/2022/04/26/colette-colfer-a-new-religion/
Cathy Brennan Doesn’t Care What You Think
But if you care what she thinks, listen to this lesbian, radical feminist, lawyer, and Fake Goth hold forth about Tumblr, putting gender identity above sex in the law, the distraction of public bathroom policies, Republican lesbians, “queer” as a reclaimed slur, the civil rights of trans people, why “ROGD moms are bad moms”, and how gender criticals are stupid, boring, annoying, too reactive, care too much about identities, and should shut the fuck up. Enhanced with more swears than usual, this singular episode offers something to alienate everyone!
Cathy "Bug" Brennan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bugbrennan
Ask an Endocrinologist! with Dr. William Malone
Why do people without gonads (or their function) need hormone replacement? How exactly do hormones affect bone health? Should clinicians who prescribe puberty blockers have more than 3 hours of training? How did historical eunuchs get by without hormone replacement? Are gonads the human body’s only source of sex steroids? How does a detransitioner or disenchanted transsexual find a decent endocrinologist? Does Nina have superior tendon insertion points? Was Corinna’s first endocrinologist inappropriately handsy? Dr. Will Malone, MD, generously and meticulously answers these questions and more on this much-anticipated episode!
Will Malone MD on Twitter: https://twitter.com/will_malone
Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine: https://www.segm.org/
ReThink Identity Medicine Ethics: https://rethinkime.org/
Gender, Government, and Law with Candice Jackson
Candice Jackson is an exceedingly smart, clear-thinking, plain-speaking, right-of-center lawyer who knows what sex is. From the Trump administration to the Women’s Liberation Front, she says gender ideology has broken through traditional left-right silos like nothing else. We discuss postmodernism in politics, religion (genderism) coinciding with plague (COVID), ideological purity, Democrats, Republicans, and how women in prison are affected when governments conflate sex and gender. Lively and information-packed, this conversation will make you want to make something great again, be it America or Anarchism.
Women’s Declaration International: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/
Practical Politics with Natasha Chart
America suffers a paucity of effective women’s rights organizations. Personality conflicts, administrative scandals, and cancel culture can drive women away - only to find no alternatives. Asserting competition as the best way to dodge corruption, Natasha Chart proposes a solution: many more nonprofits, created by many more women. But first, she describes her journey from Jehova’s Witness to radical leftist to "normie"; her work on the ground in Washington DC; activists’ mutually exclusive dietary restrictions; "cowardice at the top"; and her love affair with the democratic process and representative government. Let a million (or at least a few dozen) feminist orgs bloom!
Natasha Chart’s web site: https://natashachart.com/
Practical Politics for Bold Women: https://chartconsulting.samcart.com/products/practical-politics-for-bold-women
IRS web site: https://www.irs.gov/charities-and-nonprofits
Gender Warfare with Billboard Chris
In the gender wars, Billboard Chris is a warrior, dropping truth bombs with military precision and engaging in mouth-to-ear combat on the ground. After placing informative billboards in major cities, he takes to the streets wearing a sandwich board emblazoned with “CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO PUBERTY BLOCKERS”. Questions elicit blazes of fact-fire that may elicit shock, awe, or, in our case, nodding agreement. Nina struggles to find something - anything - to disagree about, while Corinna meekly suggests that Chris might burn out at some point. No chance of that! The fight goes on until gender surrenders.
Can We Blame Women For Lousy Men?
In this already-dated, 2-week-old recording, the Dorx once again express compassion for all medical transitioners, and discuss young male detransitioners in particular. Nina shares Too Much Information about her hysterectomy, and Corinna admits the benefits of neutering cats and humans. After arguing about who is responsible for the failures of men (Nina: it's men, Corinna: could be women), Nina mentions Female Dating Strategy, which could be the answer to both. Corinna wants more money, and Nina says it's tough being a canceled artist. Somehow we both thank everyone from the bottom of our hearts while saying humans suck and everyone should do better. That goes double for us!
Trans Journalists Association: https://transjournalists.org/
Female Dating Strategy: https://www.thefemaledatingstrategy.com/
Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/
Hundred Dollar Drawings (now $150): https://blog.ninapaley.com/hundred-dollar-drawing/
The Joy of Intelligent Disagreement with Ryan Anderson
Author & political philosopher Ryan Anderson is a Catholic conservative who staunchly opposes abortion rights and gay marriage. He is also a more engaging and productive conversationalist than 99% of modern “Liberals”. Disagreeing with respect and intelligence is not only possible, but fun - and it makes everyone look smarter, including the Dorx. Our conversation ranges from the Heritage Foundation, SOGI (can we separate the SO from the GI?), moral reasoning, healthcare reform, religion, book banning, “intergenerational love,” and the limits of liberties. With political enemies like this, who needs friends?
“Concerns form the Left” 2019 Heritage Foundation panel: https://www.heritage.org/event/the-inequality-the-equality-act-concerns-the-left
Hands Across the Aisle https://handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/home/
Colin Wright’s cartoon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEp4hdlVcAEjVhh.jpg
“When Harry Became Sally”: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/when-harry-became-sally-ryan-anderson/1125792437
Amazon employees coping with Matt Walsh’s book “Johnny the Walrus”: https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/amazon-employee-matt-walsh-books
The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt: https://righteousmind.com/
Tearing Us Apart: How Abortion Harms Everything and Solves Nothing: https://books.google.com/books/about/Tearing_Us_Apart.html?id=xeVTEAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description
Extra Bonus Raw and Unedited Rantings
The Dorx couldn't wait for Corinna to edit the 2 recorded episodes in the queue, so they had a spontaneous RAW & UNEDITED conversation and are slapping it up here WITHOUT COOKING OR EDITING! Yes, it's as uncooked as a 19-year-old's brain, which doesn't finish baking until age 25 or a toothpick inserted in the center comes out clean. We discuss transing as a social phenomenon, Fundamental Attribution Error, long pauses, male detransitioners, the white supremacist mass shooter in Buffalo, and the decline of American hegemony. Hopefully it'll stave off hunger until our next fine well-edited episodes come out of the oven. Bon appetit!
Voluntary Human Extinction with Les U. Knight
Which would hasten the Apocalypse faster: population decline, or population increase? Economists urge growth, but Les U Knight, discoverer of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, argues the peaceful, gradual elimination of humanity would be better for everyone - especially humanity itself. We discuss contraception, Insectageddon, donuts, the Demographic Transition Theory, ritual human sacrifice, and what would happen if we got rid of Netflix. May we Live Long and Die Out!
VHEMT web site: vhemt.org
Nina on the Jerry Springer show with the Church of Euthenasia in 1997: https://vimeo.com/235654079
Virginia Abernethy - Population Politics (which includes a debunking of the Demographic Transition Theory): https://books.google.com/books/about/Population_Politics.html?id=oJ4jngEACAAJ
BioTrans with Kikomi
In a very “meta” episode that probably won’t make sense to those not deeply involved in online transactivism, the Dorx speak with BioTransGirl Kikomi. Kikomi was Assigned Female At Birth (AFAB) and identifies as a man who identifies as a woman: a transwoman. We learn how BioTrans are even more marginalized and oppressed than trans, not even validated by Stonewall or the ACLU. Nina realizes she may be a BioTrans “egg”, but if she "comes out" she could face BioTransphobia or worse: biodetransition. Should she get vaginoplasty on her front hole? Does she have autoandrogynephelia? Will she replace Corinna as the One True Trans? Perhaps the most marginalized of all are the .02% of the population capable of getting these jokes.
Kikomi on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BioTransGirl
Kikomi comics: https://archive.org/details/kikomi/
BioTrans insufficiently welcome at Nina’s local bike club: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2022/03/21/cycling-and-gender-intersect-in-meaningful-ways/
TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
Second time's a charm as the Dorx answer YOUR questions, after answering them a week earlier in a session that failed to record properly. What are our favorite podcasts? What would we have done differently? How is putting on a dress and having fake breasts different to blacking up and wearing an afro wig? Is there Right Wing creep in the GC movement? Is it too soon to hope? Do we have autogynephilia? Learn the answers to these questions and more on this hot, re-heated, re-recorded episode!
Grace Lavery interview: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/
Greg Dember on Metamodernism: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-16-metamodernism-with-greg-dember/
Put Yourself First (In a Sexy Way): https://youtu.be/H2lmojePnA0
Andrea Dworkin - Right Wing Women: https://www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Andrea-DWORKIN-Right-Wing-Women-The-Politics-of-Domesticated-Females-19831.pdf
University of Illinois requires DEI statements for tenure and promotion: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/04/01/u-illinois-require-diversity-statements-tenure
Autogynephilia with J Michael Bailey
J Michael Bailey authored the seminal The Man Who Would Be Queen, which attempted to bring to a mainstream audience Blachard’s “Two Types” of male transsexuality: effeminate homosexuals, and autogynephiles, men sexually aroused at the idea of themselves as women. Is autogynephilia (AGP) a sexuality, a paraphilia, or both? Is male bisexuality linked to AGP? How common is AGP? (Bailey: “We don’t know.” Corinna: “Very, at tech conferences.”) What are the similarities between autogynephiles, furries, wannabe amputees, and "adult babies"? Can women be GAMPs? Are traps gay? What is up with adult AGP men favoring castrating AGP boys? Questions abound, but one thing is for certain: it’s one hell of a paraphilia.
The Man Who Would be Queen - free PDF download https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/JMichael-Bailey/TMWWBQ.pdf
Michael Bailey on Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=o_vo1p0AAAAJ&hl=en
Nina’s San Francisco Sex-Postive Memoirs (again): https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/
Calm and Wreasonable Colin Wright
Evolutionary biologist and gender-critical free speech advocate Colin Wright tries to throw the Dorx a bone by introducing himself with bun/buns/bunself pronouns, but remains indisputably a paragon of calm reason. Our conversation calmly and reasonably meanders through Wright’s early cancelation, academia, social contagions and cycles of silence, saving women’s sports, whether social media is making us insane, and the resemblance of wokeism to creationism. Nina is lulled into such a calm state that she doesn’t even challenge Corinna and Colin when they question whether “Patriarchy” is a Thing. Is it possible to be TOO calm and reasonable? Listen in and find out!
Wright's Substack, Reality’s Last Stand: https://www.realityslaststand.com/
Wright’s cancelation story on Quillette: https://quillette.com/2020/07/30/think-cancel-culture-doesnt-exist-my-own-lived-experience-says-otherwise/
FAIR (Foundation Against Intolerance & Racism): https://www.fairforall.org/
Wright’s Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/SwipeWright/
Genderism descends on Nina’s local bike club: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2022/03/21/cycling-and-gender-intersect-in-meaningful-ways/
While some Radical Feminists consider bathrooms (aka toilets) a distraction from more salient and enforceable realms of prisons, shelters, sports, and therapeutic settings, for others they represent the front lines of women’s boundaries in public space. Nina and Corinna have an honest, long-postponed, and undoubtedly controversial discussion about the reality of who uses which toilets, when, and why. But first, they discuss how the TERF-Tranny Alliance is accelerating the Apocalypse, the history of the term “gender critical,” and the difference between “pet trans” and actual pets. This episode is sure to piss off just about everyone!
TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
Genspect Detransition webinar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnvZvqwIR7o
Ideological Totalism: https://theradicalnotion.org/ideological-totalism-left-and-right/
Does Sex Matter? 2019 panel discussion at the Urbana Free Library, featuring Corinna Cohn, Carey Callahan, and Nina Paley.
Q & A: https://vimeo.com/326585294
Cynthia Breheny Literally Erases by Drawing
The Dorx chat with Cynthia Breheny, a sexist, racist, and transphobic artist who perverts free speech and art as a means to hurt people. OR DOES SHE?? Perhaps she’s a sweet, young, unusually moderate illustrator with her own interesting history of gender dysphoria and heterodox gender-diverse friends. Nina, as Elder Artist and TERF, imparts her aged wisdom upon the young’un, while Corinna is unafraid to face accusations of “erasing” kinky toddlers. Is there hope for the future? Maybe!
Cynthia Breheny of Twitter: https://twitter.com/PTElephant
MK Fain Wants to Keep Fighting
Corinna and Nina welcome back MK Fain, creator of women's social network Spinster.xyz and online feminist news publication 4w.pub. Life has dished out some tough lessons in the intervening 10 months, and Fain is a fast learner. She shares newfound wisdom about having a life outside “the Movement,” purity spirals, Truth mills, scapegoating, infighting, fracturing, and cults. After resolving not to join anything in 2022, Fain becomes the newest member of the TERF-Tranny Alliance, and Nina looks forward to Death. Then the Dorx get philosophical about the difference between oppressors and leaders, the nature of human hierarchies, telling the truth as well as questioning it, writer’s block, and spaying and neutering our pets — and ourselves. Somehow all this inspires Fain to continue her fight for justice; maybe she'll inspire you too.
Bully-Proofing the Grown-ups with Stella O’Malley
After Nina goes on about copyright abolition again, our delightful guest discusses her new book, Bully-Proof Kids (© Stella O’Malley 2022). All the adults in this conversation have been - and are currently being - bullied by other adults; will techniques for kids and families work for us too? The power to make or break bullies is in the hands of bystanders, whom O’Malley urges to become upstanders. Nina and Corinna are cynical as ever, and at one point the Dorx sound like mental patients arguing with their therapist. Did we mention O’Malley is a therapist? She’s got her work cut out for her, in this episode and beyond!
Bully-Proof Kids: http://www.stellaomalley.com/bullyproof-kids
The TERF-Tranny Alliance: https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
Tokens of the Apocalypse
Corinna surprises Nina with a spontaneous “Fresh Air”-style interview about Apocalypse Animated, her just-completed project. They discuss hairy Semites, the Whore of Babylon, vaginal symbolism of the New Jerusalem, depicting fire, tesseracts, a cute Lamb, galloping horses, and Corinna’s new career as an activist. Corinna has now testified twice in favor of Indiana House Bill 1041, which seeks to prohibit boys from girls’ school athletics teams. Does Corinna’s voice carry more authority as a transsexual? Unfortunately yes, because even though we all know tokenism is unfair and wrong, it is the coin of the identity politics realm.
Indiana House Bill 1041: http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2022/bills/house/1041
Corinna’s first testimony: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CZDobmmiNlg
Apocalypse Animated: https://apocalypseanimated.com/
Muybridge horse quilt: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2015/04/29/horse-quiltimation/
Theo’s Entrepreneurial Research & Fabrication Space: https://www.palegraylabs.com/
NO TERFS: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/AGR6XS3UEkgHtJ2VbE
True Faith with Aaron Rabinowitz
Aaron Rabinowitz identifies as an atheist, skeptic, and philosopher. He’s also a faithful trans ally, and considers the adjective “religious” an insult. Acutely aware of his cisheteronormative privilege, he willingly sacrifices himself on the altar of Heterodorx because “my humanity is not being questioned in this particular debate.” The resultant conversation is even more fascinating than it is long (1:46, our longest yet!). Listen closely and you just might have a religious experience.
Embrace the Void podcast: https://voidpod.com/podcasts
Philosophers in Space podcast: https://0gphilosophy.libsyn.com/
Aaron Rabinowitz at The Skeptic: https://www.skeptic.org.uk/author/aaronrabinowitz/
I Enjoy Being a Girl: https://youtu.be/iEW_nXwWvd4
Cancel Klatch with Razib Khan
Razib Khan is a Bangladeshi-American writer in population genetics and consumer genomics (wikipedia). He identifies as a Coconut, and is a repeat member of Club Cancel, getting denounced by friends and associates approximately every 6 months. He and the Dorx start the episode by erasing as many ethnicities, religions, and genders as they can. Then Khan recounts the sorry tale of Scientific American (a science fiction magazine) and late great biologist E.O. Wilson. Our smart and funny guest is all bravado and self-confidence until Nina asks him to define “woman,” the question that brings even the toughest intellectuals to their knees.
Setting the record straight: open letter on E.O. Wilson's legacy: https://razib.substack.com/p/setting-the-record-straight-open
Upperhand Mars and Team TERF’s Moving Goalposts
Trans YouTuber, media manager of Gender Dysphoria Alliance, and eminent voice of reason Mars F has long been a target of more extreme trans rights activists; now Mars is also receiving abuse from "the other side." “Transmen are our sisters” is an old TERF saying, but some aren’t acting very sisterly today. Mars also shares some cringey transition delusions from more naive times; a personal account of testosterone’s health consequences; and the secret of looking young (“don’t stay up late and don’t do crack”). Relax and enjoy the soothing sound of reasonable people talking reasonably.
Mars’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK792gI7-zEik0tB1Ok0l6Q
Mars on Twitter: https://twitter.com/UpperhandMars
Gender Dysphoria Alliance: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/
The Dorx enjoy a lively and information-packed conversation with Dr. Carole Hooven, author of T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us. Curious and compassionate, she expresses grief that Corinna never got a chance to fuck his brains out with other boys. Nina is full of questions: can females have Complete Androgen Insensitivity? What happens to ovaries in menopause? How do you define woman? Hooven wants to know what made Nina “peak trans,” so Nina briefly recounts her TERFening in 2017-2018. Corinna, who needs to eat more carbs and put on some body fat because endogenous sex steroid production relies on cholesterol, shares some thoughts on non-binary identities, after which the conversation culminates in how awesome Heterodorx is. This episode is guaranteed to make you smarter!
GAMPs, Pr0n, trans, and the Conservation of Evil
After Nina expresses admiration for the insult “Haterodorx”, Corinna - “one of the good ones” - expresses concern about the inevitable backlash coming for trans people. We learn about GAMPs: GynoAndroMorphPhiles, and the “chicks with dicks” they fetishize. Corinna makes Nina watch some horrible TikTok videos so they can discuss young people sexualizing themselves for visual consumption. Then the Dorx examine porn’s influence on the “trans community” and young people in general, staying remarkably lighthearted in spite of the dismal subject matter. This episode 100% passes!
Song: “Penis Envy” by Uncle Bonsai: https://youtu.be/ByE5Bc70w44
Heterodorx (aka Corinna) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/heterodorx
The Heterodorx 2021 Year in Review
The Dorx take a trip down memory lane, scanning the show notes of every single episode straight from the web site, and wondering in awe at this podcast’s dazzling journey from three to sixteen listeners in under a year. Thanks for listening to and supporting us, TERFs and Trannies, and have a great 2022!
Alice Dreger's Middle Finger*
The Dorx welcome Alice Dreger, author of the excellent Galileo’s Middle Finger. Dreger discusses Intersex as a political identity, what makes her feel like a woman, the trials of puberty, lactose intolerance, the importance of talking to kids about sexual pleasure, and East Lansing Info, a model local journalism organization she founded. Then she talks about “discriminatory and hateful” segregation in sports. Hold onto your hats!
*Some people are born with more than 10 fingers; others with fewer. Whether due to genetic anomolies or amputation, some have no fingers at all. So who are we to say what a “middle finger” even is?
Galileo’s Middle Finger https://alicedreger.com/GMF
East Lansing Info https://eastlansinginfo.news/
Alice in Genderland https://aliceingenderland.com/
What’s Happening to Me https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/141764._What_s_Happening_to_Me_A_Guide_to_Puberty
How Babies Are Made https://www.amazon.com/How-Babies-Made-Steven-Schepp/dp/1626541043
Nina’s Sex-Positive Memoirs https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/
Heterodorx interview with Grace Lavery (who also declines to define 'woman'): https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/
The Dorx speak with attorney and feminist Elizabeth Hungerford, co-author of a seminal 2011 letter to the UN about gender identity’s impacts on sex-based rights. Should feminists ally with conservatives? Should genderism be classified as a religion? Do we criticize gender, or abolish it? Is sex-blindness a spectrum? Who wears a potato sack better, Corinna or Nina? Is it easier to fool men than women, about sex? Can taboos be beneficial? Hungerford bravely withstands being mint-chocolate-chip-shamed by Nina, in this gentle, respectful, and deep exchange of ideas and “yucking someone else’s yum.”
Cathy Brennan and Elizabeth Hungerford letter to the UN: https://sexnotgender.com/gender-identity-legislation-and-the-erosion-of-sex-based-legal-protections-for-females/
The Radical Notion: https://theradicalnotion.org/
Detransition: Beyond Before and After by Max Robinson: https://www.spinifexpress.com.au/shop/p/9781925950403
Feminist Ethics by Sarah Hoagland: https://www.sarahhoagland.com/sarahhoaglandles.html
Male/Female face optical illusion: https://www.opticalspy.com/opticals/male-or-female-face-optical-illusion
Yummy Yuck (children's book): https://www.amazon.com/Yummy-Yuck-Amanda-Jane-Jones/dp/3791374052/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=yuck+and+yum&qid=1639705440&sr=8-1
The Grift Episode
Corinna and Nina discuss podcast-related expenses, such as microphone covers, multi-track remote recording service, and Fried Tofu w Numb Oil. For the first time, the Dorx ask for donations, but only for a few minutes, after which they change the subject to JK Rowling’s Twitter namechecks and the importance of talking to your godchildren about the transcult. Nina confronts her Internalized Transphobia and learns about Inner Pronouns, while Corinna reveals his many deadnames, and the sock-shaped hole in his heart. Then they ask for money again, before talking about used handkerchiefs. It’s the kind of quality content worth supporting!
Donate to Heterodorx at https://anchor.fm/heterodorx
Golden Harbor #807 Fried Tofu w Numb Oil https://www.goldenharboronline.com/menus
Abolishing Gender, not Sex, with Kara Dansky
The Dorx welcome lawyer, gender abolitionist, and fierce feminist Kara Dansky, who has just released a new book, The Abolition of Sex: How the “Transgender” Agenda Harms Women and Girls. Dansky fills us in on the ACLU’s “unlikely allies,” the disgraceful biases and failures of American mainstream media, and that she might soon drop the term “Gender Critical.” It’s a stimulating, challenging, and thought-provoking conversation.
Bad Science with Maneesh Yadav
Maneesh Yadav has a PhD in…SCIENCE! Chemistry, to be precise, and his favorite molecule is porphine. Is that enough expertise to guide Nina through the morass of COVID misinformation confronting her online? From Tamiflu and arsenic life, to calling women “bodies with vaginas”, the Dorx explore why science journals and institutions have lost so much credibility in recent years, and how we might find our way when we need reliable scientific evidence more than ever.
Can’t Get You Out Of My Head (Adam Curtis)
Down the Motherhood Well with Lisa Marchiano
Jungian analyst Lisa Marchiano takes the Dorx on a journey through myth and folktales as she discusses stories from her recent book, Motherhood. Following the classic arc of descent and return, Corinna drops the sarcasm for literally minutes before noting the sexist and exclusionary title. Nina promises to ban this deep and compelling tome, because as a non-mother it’s not specifically about her. This is an unusually profound and calming episode, so definitely don’t buy this book or check it out of a library near you!
How Inclusive is Misogyny?
In this episode of Heterodorx, Nina tries very very hard not to say “y’know,” because Corinna no longer edits out her verbal tics. As a result, she speaks unusually slowly, thoughtfully, and almost as sarcastically as Corinna. Thus disciplined, the two dutifully slog away at conversation, discussing Dave Chapelle, the definition of misogyny, power, corruption, “respectability politics,” “conservative humor,” media gaslighting, and wearing “male garb” at the Rennaissance Faire. It’s worth a listen, y’know?
Woke Antisemitism with Andrew Pessin
The Dorx welcome lively philosophy professor and author Andrew Pessin, whose recent satirical novel about campus culture, Nevergreen, humorously conveys the horror of getting cancelled. This inevitably leads to discussion of the Anti-Defamation League’s “Pryramid of Hate,” which, by the end of the episode, Nina deftly synthesizes with the USDA’s Food Pyramid. Corinna asserts, “universities are in the business of transferring wealth from students to administrators,” and repeatedly declares he is NOT JEWISH, unlike Andrew (a Zionist) and Nina (not a Zionist), who blithely argue about Zionism the way only a couple American Jews can.
Andrew Pessin’s website: https://andrewpessin.com/
ADL Pyramid of Hate: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of-hate.pdf
USDA Food Pyramid: https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPLargeGIF.gif
This Land Is Mine: https://vimeo.com/50531435
From Seder-Masochism: https://vimeo.com/263398514
Nina on hate: Love Thine Enemy https://blog.ninapaley.com/2021/09/27/love-thy-enemy/
Nina relates Zionism to Transactivism: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2018/02/07/gender_colonialism/
Gettin' Philosophical with Alex Byrne
The Dorx interrogate MIT Professor Alex Byrne, to find out what the heck happened to academic Philosophy. But first, Corinna identifies as some brand of chocolate. Alex illuminates Feminist Philosophy, differences between philosophers, and the mental aspects of his beer, while Corinna asserts the immutability of sex and mens’ eagerness to eject their “feminine” brothers from the male sex class. Finally, Nina detransitions from humanhood and re-identifies as a Martian.
Alex Byrne’s Philosophy: Minds and Machines: https://youtu.be/DfgCJR7xKQ0
Goin' Tribal with Derrick Jensen
Derrick “Kid Kaboom” Jenson, author of 10,000 books translated into 2,000 languages, shares both untrue and true stories about the environmental movement, and why “Sustainable Development” is an oxymoron. After a short break for Derrick to get wild bears to stop banging on his windows, the Dorx discuss the heartbreak of witnessing the destruction of wild habitats and the suffering of nonhuman species. Later, they try to define religion, and debate whether “a language is a dialect with an army, a religion is a cult with a state.” The conversation is so much fun that Corinna, Nina, and Derrick form a little cult of their own!
Derrick Jensen’s website: https://derrickjensen.org/
Bright Green Lies: https://www.brightgreenlies.com/book
Return of the Fox
Returning guest Angus Fox calls our interview with Grace Lavery a “public service to Philosophy.” Nina offers a “forever home” for Corinna as a “pet trans,” keeping his food and water dishes filled and even letting him run off leash occasionally. Then the Dorx discuss testoterone, chemical castration, Alan Turing, male vs female detransitioner communities, socialization theory, and euphemisms like “hormone replacement,” “gender affirmation surgery” and “trans kids.” Angus asserts a moral obligation to mock, and Corinna recalls being felt up by his first endocrinologist, whom he describes as “a cross between Dr. Ruth and Dr. Frankenstein.” Women are overrepresented in “trans medicine” surgery, compared to surgery as a whole; Nina wants to know why. All that and more in a mere hour and twenty seven minutes.
Our Grace Lavery episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/
Christine Lavin - Sensitive New Age Guys: https://youtu.be/dnKK4ULoMB8
Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/
Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/
Contact Angus: firstname.lastname@example.org
Meghan Murphy and the "Mean Girls" of Feminism
Prominent feminist writer and podcaster Meghan Murphy discusses being attacked not only by typical opponents, but by some feminists too.
Feminist Current: https://www.feministcurrent.com/
The Butthurt-Reaction Cycle: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/10/31/the-butthurt-reaction-cycle/
Back from Break!
After a 3-week hiatus, Corinna and Nina discuss the book Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay. Nina takes a more nuanced approach to Judith Butler, discovering something she said that isn’t utter nonsense. Corinna questions “misogyny” and “patriarchy,” and challenges Nina’s “feminist lens,” after which Nina tells Corinna to f__k himself. It’s good to be back!
Glenn Loury and John McWhorter discuss “What’s Systemic about Systemic Racism?" https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/62356
Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53052177-cynical-theories?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=KkQQGeLMwg&rank=1
T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us by Carole Hooven: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53138024-t?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=w99uXfWC9E&rank=1
The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324722-the-righteous-mind?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=ieRWcm8zhB&rank=1
Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56897445-trans?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=P6HMcwJBU0&rank=1
America’s Most Undercompensated Detranssexual with Grace Lidinsky-Smith
Just one week after interviewing someone else with the same first name and last initial, the Dorx chat with the totally different, not-to-be-confused-with Grace Lidinsky-Smith: writer, female detransitioner, and President of GCCAN, the Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network. Because both Grace and Corinna were assigned nerd at birth, they talk about Renaissance Faires, including Corinna’s Victor-Victoria-esque plan to wear “male garb” at his next one. Then Nina becomes a jock because both nerds regard her as one. Grace asks if Nina is “naturally high-T,” and Nina realizes she’s never had her hormone levels tested, but she praises menopause and disparages youth. Corinna introduces Heterodorx Poetry Time by reading Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Siverstein. The mood remains light even as Grace talks about having her nipples put back on lopsided after her double mastectomy, because people who have been through heavy shit use humor to cope.
Grace Lidinsky-Smith on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HormoneHangover
Grace Lidinsky-Smith’s substack: https://hormonehangover.substack.com/
Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Silverstein: https://allpoetry.com/Little-Abigail-and-the-Beautiful-Pony
Trano-a-Trano with Grace Lavery
Corinna arranges a conversation with Grace Lavery, associate professor at UC Berkeley and outspoken trans activist. The result is almost as limitless and formless as what a "woman" is.
Grace Lavery: https://english.berkeley.edu/profiles/386
Homosexual Heterodorkery with Angus Fox
The Dorx welcome funny and charming writer Angus Fox, whose recent work focuses on the transing of boys. Because they both have described their younger selves as the type of boy likely to identify as trans today, Nina asks why Corinna transitioned and Angus did not. This begins a discussion of the influence of internet chatrooms and media, how masculine men exclude their effeminate brothers, and the role of girls in transing boys. Angus wonders how much misogynistic genderism is explained by the prevalence of porn, and how much is because boys are idiots. Nina goes out on a limb and claims men are human, while Corinna and Angus further alienate our feminist listeners by blaming women for “gender woo.” It’s a refreshing twist on the usual “kill all the men” sentiment, and as heterodorx as two homosexual men can be.
Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/
Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/
Contact Angus: email@example.com
The Heterodorx co-horses are eager to compete in the Olympics, in either Equestrian Tennis or Sarcasm. Nina realizes if she identifies as a man, her bicycling performance will improve by 22% - it’s science! After an adorable interruption by Nina’s cat, Corinna shares some reader feedback and Nina disparages elective cosmetic surgery. Finally, a discussion about COVID, Long COVID, vaccine skepticism, preference falsification, and Voluntary Human Extinction end the podcast on a typically high note.
Nina’s cat Lola: https://youtu.be/t89bGOrWmew
The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement: http://vhemt.org/
Corinna and Nina discuss trashing, which is what feminists called canceling before there was canceling. Nina admits she performs gender, but not enough to be “ladyike.” When the topic suddenly pivots to antinatalism, Nina declares herself a species traitor but not a class traitor. Corinna claims to be a “human ally,” and points out that when it comes to male sterilization, there is a vas deferens between half- and full commitment. Is our primary purpose to reproduce, to eat and poop, or something else? So deep, man.
TRASHING: The Dark Side of Sisterhood: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htm
THE BABY BOON by Elinor Burkett: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7397.The_Baby_Boon
Karen Davis Isn't Kidding
The Dorx welcome musician, teacher, YouTuber, and gender-critical feminist Karen Davis to discuss funeral homes, fetishes, firing, and fun. It’s a characteristically lively conversation for Karen, whose YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYj9xEuFEQORfVK3k1kPxQw Enjoy!
What If We Win?
The Dorx celebrate Maya Forstater’s Free Speech victory in the UK. Are the ideological tides finally turning? Nina contemplates the dissolution of friendships if the pressure of fighting against insanity is lifted. Corinna worries that Gender Critical extremists will “go after trans people.” This gradually leads to an argument about the Aimee Stephens case, in which a funeral home employee was fired for being trans - or was it for being male and violating the dress code? A TERF vs. Tranny conflict ensues, as the Dorx fail, but sincerely try, to understand each other. But in the end they are united by their common commitment to liberty, as well as their mysteriously off-putting personalities.
Maya Forstater wins: https://web.archive.org/web/20210611082614/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/10/maya-forstaters-victory-injects-good-sense-toxic-trans-debate/
MK Fain fired in 2019: https://4w.pub/fired-for-feminism/
WoLF’s amicus brief in the Aimee Stephens case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/112909/20190820130044873_WoLF%20Amicus%20Harris%20v%20EEOC%20as%20filed.pdfWoLF’s page discussing it: https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/domoavbcjg7trx092iyjgk9r7c9rpq
True Trans, Good Trans, TRUSCUM, Authentic Trans, Imitation Crab, and Basketballs
The sarcasm flows like California wine as Nina and Corinna tilt their heads and discuss what the heck “true trans” might mean. On the subject of “passing,” Nina forgets to mention this quote, often attributed to PT Barnum, that sums up her position: "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Then, in a dazzling display of creativity, the Dorx think of an improved Inclusive Flag that can be incorporated into fashionable shirts, and conceive a Charlotte Clymer Memorial statue. Nina looks forward to attending an upcoming women’s-only gathering in Michigan, while Corinna recalls having dined with not one but two future murderers, both of whom just happened to be…Californian.
Dana Rivers: https://www.karadansky.com/state-v-dana-rivers-updates
The Californians: https://youtu.be/dCer2e0t8r8
Serious Sixty and Sarcasmagoria
In this special episode (they’re ALL special! And valid!) the opening Heterodorx theme song is sung by Corinna, who unwittingly promotes a new LGBT breakfast cereal before discussing a recent episode of 60 Minutes that invoked the fury of Kellogg’s partner GLAAD (along with the ACLU, HRC, and other Men’s Rights activists). Nina cries herself to sleep over Corinna’s tragic and pathetic life; Corinna identifies as an Aquarius while Nina is Astro-nonconforming; and the Dorx are stumped by a puzzling question on Corinna’s tennis lesson application.
60 Minutes “State Bills Would Curtail Health Care For Transgender Youth”: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-health-care-60-minutes-2021-05-23/
Corinna on Femsplainers (second half): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-sons-become-daughters-part-one/id1366430955?i=1000522118038
A Black Band-Aid for White Guilt with Chris Waites
Chris Waites is an Amateur Open-Mic Comedian, professional Grocery Shelf-Stocker, mild-mannered provocateur, and self-described “Nobody”. After sorting out Chris’s pronouns, the Dorx discuss BANDAIDGATE. Are “regular” Band-Aids “white”? Are “black” Band-Aids “black”? Are any humans the same color as Band-Aids? What happens when a black man questions the wisdom of chocolate band-aids on fecebook? Nina suggests “fitting in” is a neoliberal Capitalist plot, while Chris learns he is "privileged" to not have to think about race constantly, unlike his long-suffering liberal white allies. The Dorx also discuss how people suppress their individuality within tribes; the difference between allies and friends; “Golem-ing”; getting drunk on White Guilt; and Corinna’s Black Power Fist facial tattoo.
Square Pegs theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldkNnT1SuvE
The Age of White Guilt by Shelby Steele: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/18/the-age-of-white-guilt-and-the-disappearance-of-the-black-individual-by-shelby-steele/
The Dorx Don't Save The World
Our more-or-less Jewish hosts share their sub-optimally-informed opinions about conflict in the Middle East. Perhaps the colonization of Palestine could be resisted by misgendering Israelis? But first, Corinna talks about why Ellen DeGeneres doesn’t belong in Hollywood. Later, Corinna plugs Target’s new queer-branded product line, and threatens to buy Nina an “ALLY” t-shirt. Corinna is propositioned in Corinna’s ‘hood (notice how I’m avoiding pronouns here? awkward!), and donates to Nina’s MysicSymbolic project by mistaking it for a transition fund. Throughout, the Dorx’s extreme and relentless sarcasm makes much of the discussion incomprehensible to anyone but them. Enjoy!
This Land Is Mine: https://vimeo.com/50531435
MysticSymbolic crowdfunder: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mysticsymbolic-development
Andrea Dworkin on the Sexual Revolution: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/23/andrea-dworkin-on-the-sexual-revolution/
Metamodernism with Greg Dember
Metamodernism is a response to Postmodernism, which is a response to Modernism, which is a response to Traditionalism. The Dorx discuss that and more with Greg Dember, one of Metamodernism’s leading experts. Nina wants to know if her movies Sita Sings the Blues and Seder-Masochism are metamodern, and Greg obliges with an answer! (Spoiler: yes.) After Nina compares metamodernist media to porn, using the metaphor of “the money shot,” Greg suggests she might have her very own episteme. Corinna identifies as post-postmodernist, which is another way to say 'irredeemably sarcastic'. In spite of the Dorx’s cynicism (postmodern) and their guest’s optimism (metamodern), they enjoy a fun, fruitful, intellectual conversation, and conclude, “identity is the metamodern problem.”
With Allies Like These, Who Needs Axes?
This lighthearted, rollicking episode opens with Nina posting Corinna’s rant “Against Allies” (from last week’s episode) on fecebook, to the chagrin of some “allies”. (The next day, Nina gets a 24-hour fecebook ban for “hate speech.”) Then Nina and Corinna discuss the political indoctrination, or lack thereof, of their respective childhoods. They go on to cover how advocacy groups reduce diversity, the discovery of a “third race,” the retraction of Richard Dawkins’ decades-old Humanist award, the idolization of the Gender Unicorn, and whether “It’s Always OK to Ask Someone Their Gender Pronouns!” Finally, they segue into “Meta-Modernism,” the topic of next week’s episode. Fun!
Four Arguments For The Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander: http://www.nelligennet.com/televisionjerrymander.pdf
This week's mercifully short episode opens with both Nina and Corinna exhausted from dealing with Internet bullshit. Corinna talks about being drawn into the manipulative abuse of a transphobic gay man on Clubhouse. Nina reminisces about an organization that used to exist to help poor women have access to reproductive health resources. In between, Corinna goes on a magnificent rant against "allies," which should be bronzed for posterity. If you listen to only 2 minutes of Heterodorx, start at 08:00 of this episode.
Dorking Out With Jayson Graham
Note: This special episode is presented principally in the Russian language. This week Nina and Corinna talk with Corinna’s old friend, Jayson Graham. We talk about the process of marketing creative works, the role copyright may (or may not) play in establishing one’s marketability, and whether or not social media might be destroying America.
The M. Jayson Graham Show https://anchor.fm/m-jayson-graham-show/
Kickin’ it Old-Skool with Miranda F@%#*&g Yardley
Corinna and Nina enjoy a delightful conversation with stunning and brave intelligent and funny transsexual Miranda Yardley, author of such memorable bons mots as, "lighten up trannies, this used to be fun" and "a quick note on pronouns: I don't give a shit." While Miranda and Corinna recall alarming changes in the trans community over recent decades, Nina sadistically oppresses both of them with her cishet privilege. Joking aside, Miranda has been the target of some extreme bullshit, online and more importantly in the English courts, and shares some war stories here.
Miranda's blog: https://mirandayardley.com/en/
Nina's 1997 appearance (as "Grace,"with the Church of Euthenasia) on Jerry Springer: https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/235654079
Anger Management for Online Stupidity
Nina discusses how she manages rage with the heat of a thousand suns triggered by Internet bullshit she shouldn’t care that much about. Corinna confesses to some high-running emotions after an encounter with bullshit on the new app Clubhouse. At 27:35 Nina mis-sexes a male who is definitely not a pedophile, and at 32:00 she goes on an important rant against coerced pronouns. Finally, she declares a new identity as a CERC (pronounced “curse”).
Graham Linehan’s substack: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/
Nina’s argument tweets: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/A5jcIonm22fqw6apVo
I.P. Everywhere! Featuring Guest Heterodork Stephan Kinsella
Get ready for some hardcore Libertarian nerd-talk, as Corinna goes head-to-head with Stephan Kinsella, Libertarianism’s foremost critic of copyright and patents and author of Against Intellectual Property. Thrill to dazzling theories of labor vs. action, restrictive covenants, negative easements, burdened estates, nuisances, limitations, consent, redistribution of rights, triangular intervention, property, scarcity, value, allocation of contestable resources, conflict, trade secrets, the Patent Bargain, disclosure, distortion, abolishing the FDA…wait, what? By the end of the episode, Corinna suffers a long-overdue crisis of faith. SUCCESS!
Related links:Stephan Kinsella, Against Intellectual Property C4SIF.org Resources http://c4sif.org/resources/ Intellectual Property Rights as Negative Servitudes Karl Fogel: The Surprising History of Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World and https://youtu.be/mhBpI13dxkI Boldrin & Levine, Against Intellectual Monopoly “Conversation with an author about copyright and publishing in a free society” (Harry Potter example) “Intellectual Property” as an umbrella term and as propaganda: a reply to Richard Stallman A Selection of Kinsella’s Best Articles and Speeches on IP
Heterodorx Gets Schooled by MK Fain
Corinna and Nina discover what happens when they interview someone more articulate than either of them: MK Fain, the youthful Doyenne of feminist social media. She is the founder of Spinster.xyz, co-founder of Ovarit, publisher of 4w.pub, and co-host of the Identity Crisis podcast. We touch on free speech and pornography, and its upcoming technology frontier. As the discussion goes into intellectual property, MK corrects Corinna’s misconceptions of who really benefits from copyrights.
Find MK on Spinster: https://spinster.xyz/@mk
Copyright is Brain Damage: https://youtu.be/XO9FKQAxWZc
Guest Heterodork Alex Gleason, the Johnny Appleseed of Social Networks
Heterodorx welcomes its first guest, serial social network creator Alex Gleason. Alex created Soapbox.FE, the software running feminist social media platform spinster.xyz and Nina’s own neenster.org, among others. His next project, Tribes, aims to make it easy and painless for anyone to start their own fediverse server by pushing a few buttons. The Dorx cover technology, the sociology of social networks, and adamantly avoid talking about the weather. You can find Alex at his fediverse server, gleasonator.com.
What’s the difference between “community standards” and censorship? How do we determine what books to include and exclude from libraries? Why does the Dr. Seuss estate get to decide what Dr. Seuss books stay in print? Is copyright censorship, as Nina asserts? What’s the difference between plagiarism and copyright violation? In an uncharacteristically focused and coherent conversation, Nina and Corinna discuss these questions and more. Then, Jesse and Katie chip in with some ideas on how to close each episode.
The Surprising History of Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World by Karl Fogel: https://questioncopyright.org/promise
The Internet Archive vs the Authors Guild: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200330/18125844202/publishers-authors-misguided-freakout-over-internet-archives-decision-to-enable-more-digital-book-checkouts-during-pandemic.shtml
For 30 Years, I’ve Tried to Become a Woman. Here’s What I Learned Along the Way by Nina Paley: https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/for-30-years-ive-tried-to-become-a-woman-heres-what-i-learned-along-the-way/
Copyright is Brain Damage, a 2015 talk by Nina: https://youtu.be/XO9FKQAxWZc
The Gender Critical Movement is Dead. Long Live the Gender Critical Movement!
Nina considers the history of creepy fetishists in comics, leading to a discussion about “perverts” and attempts to normalize them to children. Then Nina blathers about Eunuchs for a while. Suddenly, Corinna takes the conversation in a different direction by declaring the Gender Critical Movement over. This gradually leads to a scrappy argument filled with tension and suspense! Who wins? Listen and find out!
Women’s Human Rights Campaign: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/about/
Save Women’s Sports: https://savewomenssports.com/
Personality Disorders Are Valid
Nina gets a GitHub account, and the first thing she worries about is whether a mob will cancel her there. Corinna debates coming out as non-binary. Is "human" a gender, or still a species? After some discussion, we agree that all identities, tribal affiliations, cult memberships, and personality disorders are valid, so please don't cancel us.
Nina's new art/software project: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2021/02/17/mystic-symbolic-the-developening/
TERF-War Inside Baseball and Rural Intersectionality
Trans-identified female Scott Newgent, who just released an important (dare we say heroic) article in Newsweek, is praised by Nina on feminist social media site Spinster.xyz, only to be met with harsh criticism from radical feminists who argue trans gender critics must detransition to be taken seriously. TERF-war inside baseball continues as Corinna brings up the Biden Administration’s endorsement of boys in girls’ sports. Corinna suggests drawing a Rural/City axis into Intersectionality, to which Nina responds cynically. Nina is in fact unusually cynical and sarcastic throughout, perhaps because she’s being cancelled by yet another cultural institution, again.
Scott Newgent’s Newsweek article: https://www.newsweek.com/we-need-balance-when-it-comes-gender-dysphoric-kids-i-would-know-opinion-1567277
Nina’s Spinster discussion: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/A46xiOMs4d8Ur7maJ6
Newsweek article on Biden’s exec order/boys in girl’s sports/trans rights are human rights pr: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-bidens-executive-order-allow-transgender-athletes-compete-gender-their-1563790
Original Atlantic piece that evolved into the Coddling of the American Mind https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
Everyone Expects the Spanish Inquisition
For no reason in particular, Corinna wants to talk about the Spanish Inquisition, which was originally the Inquisition of Heretical Depravity. Since we strictly forbid any form of heresy in this safe space, it hardly makes sense on why the Inquisition would be germane. In completely different news, Corinna and Nina talk about the New York Times parting ways with David McNeal, its foremost science reporter, after he was overheard uttering a blasphemous word in the company of children from wealthy families. Nina talks about the importance of courage, especially as it reflects on mental health, and Corinna challenges the idea of whether courage even exists.
New York Times fires Donald McNeil: https://news.yahoo.com/ny-times-star-reporter-fired-214228379.html
Shelby Steele’s documentary “What Killed Michael Brown” https://whatkilledmichaelbrown.com
Senator is a Slur
After discussing some feedback on Episode 1, corinnA and ninA use the word "senator" as a slur. They name some other slurs, so listener discretion is advised. corinnA asserts the importance of Liberal Democracy, while ninA implies they don't live in one. Then ninA shares some details about a Very Retarded Breakup, and corinnA invites listeners to send feedback to firstname.lastname@example.org , or comment at https://www.heterodorx.com/uncategorized/episode-2/
Note: ninA's mic sounds pretty bad here. She will return to her USB desktop mic in our next episode.
TERF vs. Tranny
Corinna and Nina make their very first recording together, discussing slurs, radical feminism, pronouns, porn, and more. Corinna dazzles Nina by revealing, superhero-style, that he started what became https://terfisaslur.com/ .
Nina's essay, "My Sex-Positive Memoirs," is at https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/
Essays on Corinna's original (and anonymous) terfisaslur tumblr:
Microphones are Things
Nina has mic troubles. Will she buy a whole new microphone? Plus, lots of "transitions" canned music clips between segments!
Nina tries to think and talk at the same time. Also, trying out a signature show greeting. What will Corinna think?
Uh, Um, Y'know...
Nina continues exploring musical options on anchor.fm. This was recorded with my new audio splitter, which allows a separate mic and headphones to connect to the same single audio jack on my wee little Macbook Air.
Nina checks her recording equipment and learns how anchor.fm works.