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The ID and the Ego

The ID and the Ego

By Brandon Poulliot

An informative and irreverent look at the fields of instructional design and technology. Two practitioners (and teachers) of instructional design explore the latest trends, issues, and challenges in education. Join us for an informal-tive (is that a word?) chat with some IDT professionals.
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Episode 009: Evil Big Brother

The ID and the EgoJan 06, 2021

Episode 013: Interaction Exaction

Episode 013: Interaction Exaction

This one has been a long time in the making (literally). We are so happy to welcome Dr. Barbara Lockee to The ID and the Ego to talk a bit about interaction. Instructional designers always ask faculty to account for and increase the interaction in their courses, but what does that really mean for instruction? From discussion boards to erm...sheep husbandry, we cover the gamut of interaction possibilities and why you might want to take a minute to think about your next course design or conversation with a faculty member. Please support our podcast with reviews and ratings, suggestions to our form (below) or email address, or by using our listener support link on our Anchor page.]

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The ID and the Ego Form for All Your Needs (Comments, Suggestions, etc…)

Asynchronous Classes Must Be The Last Resort For Professors

Project Outbreak Slides and Description

Articles with/by Barb:

The Difference Between Emergency Remote Teaching and Online Learning

A couple of my fave articles about interaction that I’ve drawn from are:

Anderson, T. (2003). Getting the Mix Right Again: An Updated and Theoretical Rationale for Interaction. The International Review of Research in Open and Distributed Learning, 4(2).

Gavora, M., & Hannafin, M. (1993). Interaction strategies and emerging technologies. ERIC Document ED363276.

A few sources of inspiration for pedagogical interaction:

Shank, P. (2011). Ideas for synchronous and social learning. (Chapter 3). The online learning idea book (Vol. 2). O'Reilly Safari Learning Platform: Academic edition.

Cyrs, T. E., & Conway, E. D. (1997). Engaging students at field sites: Activities and exercises (pp. 143-177). In Teaching at a distance with the merging technologies: An instructional systems approach. Center for Educational Development.

Apr 21, 202101:28:25
Episode 012: Trust Issues
Mar 31, 202101:31:20
Episode 011: Building Relationships

Episode 011: Building Relationships

For the first time in the history of this podcast, I am not running behind! In this episode, Rebecca sings and Brandon struggles to form a cohesive thought. We're talking about building relationships during your career! Our focus in this episode is the mentor/mentee relationship where Dr. Reese and I both have a little bit of experience (and a lot of that experience in common...). From seeking out a mentor to being one yourself and why mentoring is an important aspect of instructional design and technology, we cover as much as we can in our short time together. Listen, share, rate and review, and if you like what you hear, consider supporting our podcast so we can continue to make great content.

Recorded on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day 2021 - Martin Luther King, Jr. will always live in history as one of the most influential civil rights activists in the United States. He was a leader in the movement to end racial segregation and his achievements transcend time. On the day of this recording, we celebrate MLK day as a reminder to have gratitude for his accomplishments for our country and world. This day we are reminded once again of the struggles many Black Americans faced and continue to face today. It is seen as a day to promote equal rights for all Americans and should be celebrated every day. 

Please read the open letter written by Theodosia Cook (University of Colorado's Chief Diversity Officer) to Dr. King.

Show Notes

Feb 03, 202101:10:13
Episode 010: Highlighting Communities of Practice
Jan 20, 202101:15:18
Episode 009: Evil Big Brother

Episode 009: Evil Big Brother

The first episode of the new year! Happy new year to everyone and we have a great conversation with Shea Swauger to start out 2021. We're covering the iniquities of proctoring and how those affect students and institutions. This is a long episode at around 90 minutes, but I tried to break it up into bite-size segments. This topic is insanely pertinent as we march toward the start of another semester that's likely to be remote learning for just about everyone, so have a listen and please, please share with your friends, colleagues, and faculty members who might benefit from a deep dive into why proctoring promotes discrimination. Show notes below!

Online proctoring is surging during COVID-19

Online proctoring platforms claim to prevent cheating. But at what cost?

But What If They Cheat? Giving Non-Proctored Online Assessments

The Best Ways to Prevent Cheating in College

The Impact of Honor Codes and Perceptions of Cheating on Academic Cheating Behaviors, Especially for MBA Bound Undergraduates

Why Honor Codes Reduce Student Cheating

Exam Surveillance Tools Monitor, Record Students During Tests

Facial-recognition systems misidentified people of color more often than white people, according to a federal study

The Best Algorithms Still Struggle to Recognize Black Faces

Facial-Recognition Software Might Have a Racial Bias Problem

Ed-Tech Specialist Fights Proctorio Lawsuit

Woman says she was subjected to hijab screening before exam

How to Assess Higher-Order Thinking Skills in Your Classroom

How to Make Authentic Research Experiences Widely Available

Course-based Undergraduate Research Experiences: Current knowledge and future directions Erin L. Dolan Texas Institute for Disc


Michelle Alexander

Safiya Noble

Ruha Benjamin

Anna Lauren Hoffmann

Jan 06, 202101:30:28
Episode 008: rm -rf 2020

Episode 008: rm -rf 2020

In this episode, Rebecca gets impatient and Brandon thinks everything is interesting. I haven't entirely managed my commitment of bi-weekly episodes, but we're coming up on the end of the year and Rebecca wanted to provide a quick wrap on the year with some of our favorites. We cover IDT articles, books for work and pleasure, podcasts, movies, TV, and more. We have a lot of great shows lined up for the new year and we will be back in early January. Please rate and review our show and send us show ideas, feedback, guest connections, fan mail, hate mail, whatever you please. Happy Holidays!


Burned Out: Stories of Compassion Fatigue - Patrice Prusko and Whitney Kilgore 

The Emerging Story of Burnout in Educational Design

How to Be an Antiracist Educator: An Interview With Ibram X. Kendi

How Automated Test Proctoring Software Discriminates Against Disabled Students by Lydia X. Z. Brown

Designing Forward - Barbara Lockee

Authentic Language Learning through Telecollaboration in Online Courses - Crystal Marull and Swapna Kumar


Reach Everyone, Teach Everyone - Thomas J. Tobin and Kirsten T. Behling

Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat - Samin Nosrat

The Passion Paradox by Brad Stulberg

Hell Divers Series - Nicholas Sansbury Smith

A Wizard of Earthsea: The Earthsea Cycle Book 1 - Ursula K. LeGuin

Speech Sounds - Octavia Butler


  1. Behind the Police - Robert Evans and Propaganda
  2. Ear Hustle - Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods
  3. Cabinet of Curiosities - Aaron Mahnke
  4. It’s Been a Minute - Sam Sanders ('Model Minority' Stereotype ep)

Movies: Midsommar, Hereditary, The Call

TV/Web: Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, The Midnight Gospel, Kingdom, Dark, The Expanse

Dec 09, 202001:23:13
Episode 007: Project (Mis)management
Nov 19, 202001:18:46
Episode 006: The Prison to School Pipeline

Episode 006: The Prison to School Pipeline

We're back again! This week I'm excited to share a conversation with our friend Shea Swauger about the prison to school pipeline of ed tech. We delve into a few topics surrounding the two-way commerce of discrimination in education, from the intentional to the unintentional. The idea of the school to prison pipeline, a concept of how certain policies (see: zero tolerance) interfere with the education of students of color and put them on the path to incarceration, but schools also import technology and policies developed or perfected in prisons into their classrooms and courses. This is a difficult -- but extremely important -- topic that Shea was kind enough to discuss with us. The show notes this week are copious with an amazing amount of resources, so please, dive in!

Show Notes

Oct 14, 202001:04:01
Episode 005: Proctor All the Things!

Episode 005: Proctor All the Things!

We're back! This episode we're talking about proctoring, from simple programs that lock down a student's browser to the windowless room where you can't talk and get mean-mugged while you furiously scribble down your answers. We cover the different types of proctoring, some of our views on how proctoring affects students, and why you should consider redesigning multiple choice exams. I say "so" about fifty times and Rebecca finds her new plan to strike it rich.

Sep 30, 202001:05:10
Episode 004: Objectively Terrible
Jul 30, 202001:03:36
Episode 003: Just a Little Needy
Jul 17, 202054:55
Episode 002: Apples and Oranges

Episode 002: Apples and Oranges

We're looking at Emergency Remote Teaching vs. Online Learning this week. Still relevant as we look toward fall semesters and how we can tackle this paradigm moving forward. As campuses start to re-open, how do teacher, designers, and technologists support students in learning? How do we improve upon these new and developing models? How are these teaching models different? We address the pandemic as an impetus for changes in funding and operational models for education. 

If you have questions, comments, episode ideas, or just want to reach out, email


The Difference Between Emergency Remote Teaching and Online Learning

Cast and UDL

Dual Coding Theory: Paivio, A. (1991). Dual coding theory: Retrospect and current status. Canadian Journal of Psychology/Revue canadienne de psychologie, 45(3), 255-287.

Since recording, many institutions have furthered conversations about layoffs and furloughs. Unfortunately, my institution has had to take the hard step of furloughing many employees and laying off those whose salaries were funded by revenues reduced or preempted by the pandemic. 

Jul 01, 202001:00:07
Episode 001: Emergency Remote Teaching

Episode 001: Emergency Remote Teaching

A little late to the party, but we talk a bit about the impact on instructional design and technology with the closing of most, if not all, institutions of higher education. We started this podcast at the end of April and we (read: I) have been behind the 8-ball for my full-time gig. So much has happened, but I'm glad we were able to capture our thoughts and experiences. Reach out at if you have episode suggestions, feedback, or subjects you'd like us to talk about!

Jun 18, 202052:26