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You Matter

By Jo Turner

You Matter is a podcast dedicated to you, the person behind the uniform. Join host Jo Turner, Physiotherapist and Coach, in conversations that reach to the heart of healthcare. Who are we? What do we see for the future of our professions and the wider culture of health? And how do we sustain ourselves on that journey?

- Learn from experts on topics such as burnout, self-care and imposter syndrome
- Hear from clinicians who are changing their corners of healthcare
- Understand how concepts of worth, value and identity, shape the way we approach our careers and life outside work.
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Session 25 - Perfectionism - How Do We Break The Cycle, And Not Ourselves? with Sarae Pratt, Thea Jolly and Harriet Waley-Cohen

You MatterMar 12, 2023

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Session 25 - Perfectionism - How Do We Break The Cycle, And Not Ourselves? with Sarae Pratt, Thea Jolly and Harriet Waley-Cohen

Session 25 - Perfectionism - How Do We Break The Cycle, And Not Ourselves? with Sarae Pratt, Thea Jolly and Harriet Waley-Cohen

Of course we're perfectionists. We learn what is 'correct' and then we try to function in the world of messy, unpredictable humans who throw curve balls every half hour!   Perfectionism isn't just about having high standards. It's when you pin your self-worth to the attainment of those standards.  When we decide something within us is unnacceptable, it becomes abhorent in others and we exercise judgement.   Until we are prepared to look at the external environment of capitalism, consumerism, social media comparison, perfectionism will continue to thrive within us and between us
Mar 12, 202301:16:44
Session 24 - Studying Perfectionism and Burnout In Physiotherapists with Daniel Biggs

Session 24 - Studying Perfectionism and Burnout In Physiotherapists with Daniel Biggs

STUDY LINK As part of a doctorate in Physiotherapy at Glasgow Caledonian University, Daniel is conducting a study looking at the incidence of burnout in UK based Physiotherapists. Jo discuss the shocking fact that Daniel's initial studies show a high rate of burnout in Physiotherapy students, before they have even started the job.   They reflect on what is perfectionsim, ask why the profession attracts perfectionists and discuss how we may be unwittingly driving each other to higher levels of perfectionism. Jo also asks Daniel for his thoughts on the potential future value of this work for physiotherapists and healthcare. Check out mehab.co.uk for more
Feb 19, 202356:23
YouMatter Session 23 - The People That Have Inspired Us With Carys Hansed

YouMatter Session 23 - The People That Have Inspired Us With Carys Hansed

In this epsiode Carys and Jo share memories of the people that have inpsired us in our career, the qualities that make a good mentor and how mentorship might have shifted away from the workplace. Check out Mehab.co.uk
Feb 12, 202356:52
Session 22 - An end of year "You Matter" round-up

Session 22 - An end of year "You Matter" round-up

We're nearing the end of another year and I'm resisting the temptation to 'keep on pushing to the end'. Instead this, episode is a gathering up, a summary and reflection on the wisdom of my wonderful guests in 2022.
Dec 11, 202244:45
Session 21 - Sharing the power with your patient, admitting 'I don't have a reference for this' and other radical moves with Joanne Elphinston

Session 21 - Sharing the power with your patient, admitting 'I don't have a reference for this' and other radical moves with Joanne Elphinston

Jo chats with eternally curious, insightful and humble Joanne Elphinston about her recent article "Changing the conversation:an embodied coaching approach in the clinical session" We discuss, - how the conventional therapist-patient power dynamic might be depleting your energy reserves -  the benefits of loosening our grip on the "expert fixer" identity - the gulf between informing and educating for meaningful learning -  cognitively based teaching vs a sensory experience for real patient engagement - how genuine partnership with your patient doesn't mean withholding expertise
Nov 06, 202258:26
Session 20 - A Takeover! With Martin Christensen

Session 20 - A Takeover! With Martin Christensen

Finding myself at short notice without a guest for session 20, I enlisted the help of my good friend Martin Christensen to stand in as guest host and interview me, on my own podcast about some things that have been rattling around in my brain.   We talk about resourcefulness as an antidote to perfectionism, accepting the unnacceptable parts, my own uncomfortable journey with boundaries and cheerleading for self-indulgence and idleness.   Head to Mehab.co.uk
Oct 11, 202254:01
Session 19 - When Coaching Isn't The Right Thing with Lisa Wynn

Session 19 - When Coaching Isn't The Right Thing with Lisa Wynn

A client asked me recently some really interesting questions around what the pre-requisites for successful coaching might be, and whether there are ever coaching failures. I dig into these questions and many more sub-questions with ex-physio and highly experienced coach Lisa Wynn. This one is a must for clinicians, coaches, aspiring coaches and anyone wondering if they might benefit from coaching. Find out more at mehab.co.uk
Sep 11, 202249:09
Session 18 - Man Up And Down

Session 18 - Man Up And Down

Following the “Brilliant Women” episode in May 2021, I invited a panel of men this time to share their thoughts about what it feels like to be a male clinician today. What pressures do you feel in terms of career path? How welcome is male vulnerability? And is psychological safety financially viable? Don't forget to head to mehab.co.uk for more from Jo Turner
Aug 14, 202201:10:44
Session 17 - Being a clinician with depression, and not being 'the depression physio' with Martin Christensen

Session 17 - Being a clinician with depression, and not being 'the depression physio' with Martin Christensen

Martin is a Physiotherapist best known for hilarious one-liners, beer drinking, and his brave sharing of clincal failures. He is also suffers with lomg term depression.  In this episode, Martin talks candidly about his experience of depression, what it means in his daily life, and as a clincian. He talks about the postive aspects of empathy, shares insights into how we might alter our approach for patients sufferfing with depression, and gives us his insights into how we might improve our systems and communication style for the benefit of our colleagues, our patients and ourselves.
Jul 10, 202201:25:46
Session 16 - All the Cs, Comaprison, Competition, Collaboration with Emma Brockwell and Grainne Donnelly

Session 16 - All the Cs, Comaprison, Competition, Collaboration with Emma Brockwell and Grainne Donnelly

In this episode we discuss collaboration, when it works, when it doesn't, and how we stay in our lane when competition and comparison threaten to derail us. Find Emma on instagram @physiomumuk and twitter @emma_physiomum Find Grainne on instagram @absolute.physio and twitter @ABSPhysio Dont forget to put your Oxygen Mask on first by visiting MEHAB
Jun 12, 202201:12:02
Session 15 - A pandemic - Collateral Damage, Personal and Professional Lessons Learned with Sue Juliens

Session 15 - A pandemic - Collateral Damage, Personal and Professional Lessons Learned with Sue Juliens

Collateral Damage is the title of a book written by my guest, Physiotherapist and clinic owner, Sue Juliens. With references drawn from Sue's book, we discuss what it meant to be a clincian and human, navigating a pandemic. We discuss fear-based messaging, the pros and cons of restrictions, the lessons, the fallout, and what we will take forward with us. Don't forget to head to mehab.co.uk for more from Jo Turner
May 08, 202201:11:56
Session 14 - Embracing Failure - The Sequel with Felicity Thow, Martin Christensen, Katy Stephens

Session 14 - Embracing Failure - The Sequel with Felicity Thow, Martin Christensen, Katy Stephens

Following on from my previous session on the topic of professional failures, we delve deeper into what we actually mean by failure in a work session, what this means, what we do to ourselves as a result, and the ways we might handle this better, for ourselves and our colleagues Join Jo at Mehab.co.uk
Apr 10, 202201:00:32
This Is Going To Hurt - And Why It Does For Many Healthcare Professionals with Dr Susanna Petche

This Is Going To Hurt - And Why It Does For Many Healthcare Professionals with Dr Susanna Petche

Dr Susanna Petche is an A&E GP who specialises in the management of trauma. In this epsiode I have the chance to ask Susanna all the questions about trauma that I felt silly asking. She is truly an expert in this field and I get goose bunps when I hear about her mission to ensure we are all better trauma informed as health professioanals, parents, friends and humans.
Mar 13, 202201:00:43
Session 12 - Talking about our professional failures and shrinking the shame wizard

Session 12 - Talking about our professional failures and shrinking the shame wizard

We all make mistakes, but how happy are we to talk about them, particularly with our professional peers? Physiotherapist Felicity Thow bravely shares some of her failures. We discuss the feelings around failing professionally, the barriers to discussing those events, and how things might be improved to allow greater comfort with talking about and moving through these uncomfortable moments. Don't forget to like and subscribe Check out MEHAB
Feb 13, 202247:06
Session 11 - Finding the right vehicle to drive your purposeful career - is it a moped or a DeLorean? With Heather Mclellan

Session 11 - Finding the right vehicle to drive your purposeful career - is it a moped or a DeLorean? With Heather Mclellan

In this episode, Heather Mclellan describes her career transition from occupational health physio to business owner and how she is finally ready to describe herself as a full-time entrepreneur. Interested in joining Designed2Move? CLICK HERE for more Don't forget to Like, subscribe, review, and all that other fun stuff. Also, go to MEHUB and join!
Jan 09, 202259:50
Session 10 - Katie K on a mission. Quality care and advice, accessible for all

Session 10 - Katie K on a mission. Quality care and advice, accessible for all

I describe Katie as a health advocate, a champion for patients. Katie wants good quality care and advice available to all, and she wants people to be excited about what they'll receive from physio.  In this episode, we discuss how Katie has developed Physio Fast Online, a video based consultancy as a means to deliver on these aims. Classically understated, do not underestimate Katie. She's up to some pretty impressive things.
Dec 12, 202140:26
Session 9 - Joy and other emotions: Are they all equally welcome in our clinical world? With Liz Bayley

Session 9 - Joy and other emotions: Are they all equally welcome in our clinical world? With Liz Bayley

Can you be too empathic? Is joy 'better' than anger? Which emotions are we allowed as clinicians? Are the rules the same for our clients? These are just some of the topics covered in this excellent conversation with Physiotherapist, professional dancer and self-professed emotion surfer, Liz Bailey. Dont forget to subscribe, rate and review the podcast  You can join Jo on MEHUB HERE
Nov 14, 202101:04:20
Session 8 - Softening the stiff upper lip. How to ask for help at work and how to provide it with Susie Martin

Session 8 - Softening the stiff upper lip. How to ask for help at work and how to provide it with Susie Martin

How comfortable are you asking for help to support your mental health/wellbeing at work? And if you ask, is help forthcoming?   If you are are manager, business owner or colleague being asked for help, what resources and systems are in place to provide that kind of support? In this episode I talk to Susie Martin about her own experiences of asking for help at work and moving away from a 'stiff upper lip' culture. We also discuss the use of the Mind Wellness Action Plan at work.
Oct 17, 202101:03:21
 Session 7 - Banter. Does it break down barriers or create them? with Alistair Beverley.

Session 7 - Banter. Does it break down barriers or create them? with Alistair Beverley.

In this episode, I pick apart the use of banter in our professional spheres. Alistair and I share our personal experiences and viewpoints around banter. We chat about the pros and cons of this style of communication, both as a pressure release tool and a means for establishing rapport, but also as an elitist form of communication that could be seen to exclude and alienate.
Sep 12, 202147:21
Session 6 - Embracing Change with Helen Preston

Session 6 - Embracing Change with Helen Preston

In this episode, Jo catches up with Helen Preston of Prestons Health to chat about business ownership, giving yourself permission to stop, the drivers of perfectionism and how things might be different for future generations of clinicians. Make sure you hit subscribe on your favorite channel and leave a review. Check out Mehab HERE Part of the PhysioMatters Network
Aug 08, 202152:03
Bonus session - The Burnout Panel, Part 2 with Dr Susanna Petche, Jemma Oliver, Ann Parkinson

Bonus session - The Burnout Panel, Part 2 with Dr Susanna Petche, Jemma Oliver, Ann Parkinson

This is a follow-up session to cover all the questions we didn't get to at Therapy Live. Burnout is not a new problem in healthcare but it has new significance this year. We discuss The relationship between burnout, anxiety and depression Over-working in a job you love Being the one to stand up and say this is not okay Small but significant ways to help yourself and others who may be suffering stages of burnout How to be part of changing deeply entrenched patterns in healthcare culture
Jul 25, 202153:56
Session 5 - How Much Is Enough? With Evie Martin

Session 5 - How Much Is Enough? With Evie Martin

In this episode, I discuss all manner of things with Evie under the umbrella of 'What is enough?' What is enough money, experience, credibility? What makes a good physio/clinician? And what advice would we give our younger selves? Evie also tells me how she came to be founder of PhysiosOnline, her hopes and some might say humble ambitions for what this project might achieve. Make sure you hit subscribe Find more from Jo HERE Part of the PhysioMatters Network
Jul 11, 202154:26
Session 4 - Jo Gibson - The Woman, not the Shoulders

Session 4 - Jo Gibson - The Woman, not the Shoulders

Jo Gibson was kind enough to talk to me about everything except shoulders and to allow me a glimpse of the woman behind the stellar career. Her last minute decision to be a physiotherapist and a stern word form the principal. Pivotal career moments and lessons learned Initiation by shame and eventual acceptance by the medics Developing her own gentler leadership style Learning to cope with success  And planning to slow down.......maybe!
Jun 13, 202158:17
Session 3 - Brilliant Women in Healthcare with Lucy Macdonald, Lisa Clapp, Kate Tamsin El Bizanti, Madeleine Boots and Charmaine Johnson

Session 3 - Brilliant Women in Healthcare with Lucy Macdonald, Lisa Clapp, Kate Tamsin El Bizanti, Madeleine Boots and Charmaine Johnson

Why don't women put themselves forward to speak on podcasts and share their opinions? What does society teach us about being 'acceptable?' Does healthcare culture feed into these biases? A reflection on bullying, leadership and support from other women. What are we aspiring to as women/people in healthcare? Who are our cracking female role models? Dont forget to hit subscribe to never miss an episode, leave a review on your player and head to https://mehab.co.uk/ to find out more about Self care and Jo! This podcast is part of the Physio Matters Network
May 09, 202101:16:32
Session 2 - Imposter Syndrome - feeling like a fraud doesn't mean you are a fraud with Margaret Collins

Session 2 - Imposter Syndrome - feeling like a fraud doesn't mean you are a fraud with Margaret Collins

In this episode, I interview Margaret Collins, researcher, senior lecturer, expert on imposter syndrome. Margaret admits this expertise comes partly from years of personal experience, but also from learning how to manage it. I talk to Margaret about the documented high prevalence of imposter syndrome amongst health professionals and how we might tackle this on both a personal and organisational level.
Apr 11, 202157:23
Session 1 - Professional Identity - How Does It Serve Us with Dr Adam Harrison

Session 1 - Professional Identity - How Does It Serve Us with Dr Adam Harrison

In this episode, Jo discusses the concept of professional identity with Adam Harrison who has, at various times been a Doctor, Lawyer and now Coach. They talk about commonly perceived identities of doctors and other health professionals, the possible differences between your work and home persona, and whether professional identity has any impact on our well-being and sense of fulfilment.
Mar 14, 202153:37
YouMatter Session 0 - Introducing Our New Therapist Self-Care Podcast - Jo Turner and Jack Chew on Stoisicm, Confrontation and Well-being

YouMatter Session 0 - Introducing Our New Therapist Self-Care Podcast - Jo Turner and Jack Chew on Stoisicm, Confrontation and Well-being

In this episode Jo Turner sets the scene for what you can expect from the You Matter Podcast and kicks off with Jack Chew as her first guest. In-line with her intention for open, honest and if required, uncomfortable conversation, Jack and Jo dig a bit deeper into some areas of healthcare delivery where they suspect they might have some difference of opinion. Don't forget to Subscribe to the channel!
Mar 04, 202156:07
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From the wonder Jo Turner this Podcast will be all about self-care and self improvement. Make sure you subscribe to never miss an episode! Part of the PhysioMatters Network
Jan 02, 202101:26