

The Kevin Rooke ShowApr 23, 2022

E121: Jesse Shrader on Amboss Magma & Hydro, Lightning Network Metrics & Adoption, and More
Jesse Shrader is the CEO of Amboss, a data analytics platform built for the Lightning Network that also offers a marketplace for buying and selling Lightning channels.
In our conversation, we covered the adoption of Amboss’ Magma marketplace to date, how their new product Hydro aims to help merchants and those seeking yields on their Lightning liquidity, and we examined the structure of the Lightning Network in the context of other transportation networks.
→ Amboss Hydro: https://amboss.space/hydro/intro
Sponsors
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This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:24 - Jesse Shrader Intro
05:07 - Understanding Yield, Cost, and APR on Magma
19:45 - Metrics for Understanding the Lightning Network
25:15 - Amboss Magma Adoption & Challenges
29:09 - How Amboss Hydro Improves Magma Demand
39:07 - Privacy on Amboss and the Lightning Network
52:57 - Auditability on the Lightning Network
59:40 - Lightning & Railways
1:11:59 - Payment Reliability on the Lightning Network
1:14:15 - The Lightning Round

E120: Artur Brugeman on Building Nostr Band, The Growth of Nostr, and Spring's New Nostr Browser
Artur Brugeman is the founder of Nostr Band, a collection of Nostr search services for exploring the Nostr ecosystem. In our discussion, we explored the state of Nostr adoption so far, the catalysts that could usher in the next wave of users, the role of Lightning payments on Nostr, and why Nostr Band is working on building a Nostr browser called Spring. → Nostr Band: https://nostr.band/ → Spring: https://spring.site/ Sponsors → Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage → Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats. The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm. → Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/ → More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast → Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm → Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news Links → Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/ → Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke → Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recom... → Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr Timestamps 00:00 - Intro
02:06 - Artur Brugeman Intro
08:30 - What is Nostr Band?
16:57 - Nostr Search vs. Google Search
23:05 - Adoption and Key Themes for the Nostr Ecosystem
40:05 - Beyond Censorship Resistance, Why Use Nostr?
55:27 - The Role of Lightning Payments on Nostr
1:04:00 - Spring, The Nostr Browser
1:14:25 - Why You Should Try Using Nostr Again
1:17:04 - The Lightning Round

E119: Alex Leishman on the Future of Lightning Payments, Taproot Assets, and River's Lightning Node
Alex Leishman is the CEO of River, a US-based Bitcoin exchange that also offers Bitcoin mining and Lightning Network services.
In our discussion, we explored the challenges with Lightning today and the potential solutions that could usher in the future of Lightning payments, the best ways to measure the growth of the Lightning Network, and River’s strategy for managing one of the world’s largest Lightning nodes.
→ River: https://river.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:18 - Alex Leishman Intro
04:24 - Lightning Payments in 2025
09:22 - What Impact Will Splicing Have on Lightning?
14:49 - The Importance of Reusable QR Codes
23:29 - Catalysts for Lightning Adoption
29:05 - Measuring The Growth of the Lightning Network
35:56 - Taproot Assets & River
40:18 - Stablecoins on Lightning
46:58 - Other Layer 2 Protocols on Bitcoin
51:52 - How River Manages Their Lightning Node
57:35 - River’s Public vs. Private Channels
1:02:46 - Alex’s Lightning Advice for CZ and Binance
1:12:39 - The Lightning Round

SS9: How Margie Ramos Stacked Over 1 Million Sats with Muun Wallet and Shopify
Margie Ramos is a Shopify merchant who has stacked over 1,000,000 sats for her line of Tallow-based skincare products in just a few weeks.
→ Tallowed and Free: https://tallowedandfree.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
→ Nodeless: https://nodeless.io
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E118: Ken Sedgwick on Building VLS, Improving Lightning Custody, & Multi-Party Signing on Lightning
Ken Sedgwick is a Software Engineer at the Validating Lightning Signer project, which is focused on improving Lightning custody by separating keys from nodes in a discrete signing device.
In our discussion, we covered how VLS works and why it is an important project for the Lightning ecosystem, why building external signing devices is so much harder on Lightning than on-chain, the technical challenges being solved to enable multi-party signing on Lightning nodes, and the future of security and custody on the Lightning Network.
→ VLS: https://vls.tech/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:23 - Ken Sedgwick Intro
10:22 - What is the VLS Project?
19:32 - Why Hasn’t Anyone Built External Lightning Signing Devices Until Now?
26:23 - Will Bitcoin Hardware Wallet Companies Create Lightning Signing Devices?
32:58 - Why Is VLS an Open Source Project?
37:11 - Examples of Security Breaches and Loss-of-Funds in Lightning
42:45 - Lightning Node Operators and Aircraft Pilots
50:10 - Will Improved Lightning Custody Cause Structural Changes to the Lightning Network?
53:58 - Multi-Party Signing on the Lightning Network
1:04:19 - VLS Roadmap
1:09:32 - The Lightning Round

E117: Henrik Skogstrom on Torq V1, Lightning Network Metrics, Why LSPs Need a Spec, and More
Henrik Skogstrøm is the CEO of LN Capital, which is soon re-branding to Torq, the name of their Lightning node management software.
In our conversation we discussed the state of Lightning Network ecosystem metrics, the new features being introduced in Torq V1, why Lightning companies are working together on an LSP spec, and much more.
→ LN Capital: https://ln.capital/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:09 - Henrik Skogstrøm Intro
07:11 - Lightning Network Metrics
17:22 - New Features of Torq V1
24:18 - What is the LSP Spec?
37:07 - How HTLC Firewalls Work
42:02 - LN Capital/Torq’s Revenue Opportunities
54:20 - Reflecting on Lightning Network Progress
1:00:14 - How Might Taproot Assets Impact Torq’s Business?
1:02:25 - The Lightning Round

E116: Ian Major on Building Joltz Rewards, Lightning Rails for Loyalty Programs, and Taproot Assets
Ian Major is the co-founder of Joltz Rewards, a Lightning-powered loyalty platform offering Bitcoin rewards as a service.
In our conversation we discussed how Joltz works, why the loyalty rewards industry needs Bitcoin and the Lightning Network, and how Taproot Assets could unlock an entirely new set of loyalty rewards and experiences for brands and consumers.
→ Joltz Rewards: https://joltzrewards.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:16 - Ian Major Intro
14:22 - How Joltz Rewards Works
24:50 - Why Lightning Makes Sense for Loyalty Rewards
32:08 - Will Bitcoin Loyalty Programs Lead to Bitcoin Merchant Adoption?
39:39 - Why Most Companies Lose Money Offering Loyalty Rewards
46:33 - Will Joltz Focus on Affiliate Rewards Too?
53:01 - Why Joltz Is Building a Taproot Assets Wallet
1:01:32 - Will Taproot Assets Be Good for Bitcoin?
1:07:44 - How Will Joltz Earn Money with Taproot Assets?
1:14:58 - The Lightning Round

SS8: How Siggy47 Stacked Over 500,000 Sats on Stacker News
Siggy47 is a retired lawyer and one of the most prolific earners on Stacker News, who has stacked over 500,000 sats for the content he has created on the platform.
→ Siggy47’s SN Profile: https://stacker.news/siggy47
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
→ Nodeless: https://nodeless.io
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E115: Tony Giorgio on Building Mutiny Wallet, Browsers over App Stores, and Lightning Everywhere
Tony Giorgio is the co-founder and CEO of Mutiny Wallet, a self-custodial Lightning wallet that runs in your web browser.
In our conversation, we discussed why Tony first set out to build Mutiny, the benefits of building on the web, why Mutiny is integrating things like Nostr Wallet Connect and Coinjoins, and then we explored the state of the Lightning ecosystem and reflected on Tony’s latest blog post - Lightning Everywhere.
→ Mutiny Wallet: https://www.mutinywallet.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:21 - Tony Giorgio Intro
03:50 - Why Tony Decided to Build a Company
11:14 - Do We Need More Lightning Implementations?
14:41 - What Is Mutiny Wallet?
17:51 - Mutiny’s Mobile Strategy
27:05 - Custodial vs. Self-Custodial Lightning Usage
34:20 - Understanding the Lightning LSP Specification
42:17 - Do We Need Self-Custody on Lightning?
49:44 - Mutiny Wallet & Nostr Wallet Connect
55:36 - Mutiny’s Plans for CoinJoins & Synthetic Dollars
1:02:28 - Lightning Everywhere
1:16:00 - Incorporating Fedi Into Mutiny
1:21:49 - Validating Lightning Signer and its Impact on Lightning

E114: Matt Black on Building Atomic Finance, DLCs on Bitcoin and Lightning, and Self-Custody
Matt Black is the co-founder & CTO of Atomic Finance, a Bitcoin company that uses DLCs to make it possible for people to earn a self-custodial yield on Bitcoin.
In our conversation we discussed Matt’s path to building on Bitcoin, we explored the potential risks and rewards of Atomic Finance, the importance of self-custodial financial tools, and the value Atomic Finance might get from integrating Lightning and other L2 scaling solutions.
→ Atomic Finance: https://atomic.finance
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:21 - Matt Black Intro
03:45 - Why Matt Left Ethereum to Work on Bitcoin
11:48 - Ossification on Bitcoin
15:48 - Understanding Atomic Finance
23:57 - Is Yield Necessary or Useful for Bitcoin?
39:16 - Sound Finance vs. DeFi
40:47 - Will Atomic Finance Integrate the Lightning Network?
48:59 - Other Interesting Bitcoin Scaling Solutions
56:23 - Proposing New Changes to Bitcoin
1:01:40 - The Lightning Round

E113: Super Testnet on Inventing New Bitcoin, Lightning, and Nostr Products
Super Testnet is an independent Bitcoin, Lightning, and Nostr developer, and the chairman of FOSS at Pleb Lab
In our conversation, we discussed how Super is able to innovate at such a high pace, and we covered many of the projects he has been working on, including HODL contracts, his Nostr-powered webstore and swap service, his mobile coinjoin wallet, and his spacechain launcher.
→ Super Testnet’s Github: https://github.com/supertestnet
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:38 - Super Testnet Intro
11:49 - Super’s Perspective on Lightning Catalysts
18:34 - How Super Testnet Comes Up With So Many New Ideas
23:08 - The Importance of Bitcoin Builders at Pleb Lab
29:27 - HODL Contracts
38:10 - Void Wallet (Mobile CoinJoins)
46:38 - The Overlap Between Nostr and Bitcoin
48:51 - Super’s Nostr-Powered Webstore
55:09 - Super’s Nostr-Powered Swap Service
1:05:05 - Bitpac (Auditable Cooperatives on Bitcoin)
1:13:25 - Spacechain Launcher & Handcrank
1:20:08 - Super Testnet’s Roadmap
1:21:38 - The World’s Fastest Lightning Round

SS7: How Brianna Honkawa-D'Estries Stacked Over 1,000,000 Sats on Nostr with ZBD, Damus, and Primal
Brianna Honkawa-D’Estries is the organizer of TabConf and BitDevs LA, has previously been Chief of Staff at Lightning Labs and Noah, and is a Nostr creator who has stacked over 1,000,000 sats for the Nostr content she has created.
→ Brianna’s Nostr: https://tinyurl.com/ycy9smw8
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E112: Kody Low on Building Fedi, AI, L402s, and Enabling AI for All with Lightning Payments
Kody Low is the Head of Developer & Product Support at Fedi, and the organizer of the AI For All Hackathon happening throughout July.
In our conversation, we explored the impact of AI on content, identity, and payments, we covered L402s and why Lightning payments are the best solution for AI companies, and we also discussed the work Kody and his team are doing at Fedi.
→ AI for All Hackathon: https://bolt.fun/tournaments/ai4all/overview
→ Fedi: https://www.fedi.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:26 - Kody Low Intro
08:17 - Kody’s Views on the AI Ecosystem
19:16 - Why Chargebacks Are Hurting AI Companies
25:37 - Why Aren’t AI Companies Using Lightning Yet?
37:20 - Understanding Fedi’s Second-Party Approach
52:24 - Who Is Competing With Fedi?
1:00:40 - What Is a Federated Operating System?
1:10:20 - The Importance of Lightning Payments for Bitcoin and AI
1:20:56 - The Lightning Round

E111: Graham Krizek on Building Voltage, Surge, and Why All Companies Will Be Lightning Companies
Graham Krizek is the founder and CEO of Voltage, a full service Lightning infrastructure provider.
In our conversation, we discussed Voltage’s latest product Surge, why Graham believes every company will be a Lightning company, and we reviewed the progress that the Lightning ecosystem has made in the last couple of years.
→ Voltage Surge: https://voltage.cloud/surge/
→ Every Company Will Be a Lightning Company: https://voltage.cloud/every-company-will-be-a-lightning-company
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:09 - Graham Krizek Intro
04:44 - Full Infrastructure Providers vs. LSPs
10:25 - What Is Voltage Surge?
16:37 - Why Surge Is Read-Only
23:56 - What Impact Will Real-Time Data Have on the Lightning Network?
28:58 - Why Every Company Will Be a Lightning Company
45:15 - Which Companies Will Be First Movers To Join the Lightning Network?
54:05 - Regulations and the Lightning Network
1:02:50 - Lightning Network Ecosystem Review
1:19:20 - The Lightning Round

E110: Paul West on Fumb Games, Creating New Bitcoiners, and Adding LN Payments to Bitcoin Miner
Paul West is the founder of Fumb Games, a mobile gaming studio that has earned over 10,000,000 downloads across all their games, including the 1 million downloads for their Lightning-enabled game Bitcoin Miner.
In our conversation we spoke about the ways in which Paul’s team designs games, why games are the perfect venue for onboarding new Bitcoin users, and the dramatic impact of adding Lightning payments to Bitcoin Miner.
→ Fumb Games: https://linktr.ee/fumbgames
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:34 - Paul West Intro
09:46 - Google and Facebook’s Evolving Views on Bitcoin
15:20 - How Paul’s Team Designs New Games
22:04 - When Should Bitcoin Payments Be Integrated in a Game?
27:31 - Why Fumb Games Chose Lightning Payments over Crypto Tokens
35:08 - Should Bitcoin Payments Be Inserted Into All Games?
41:01 - Is Gaming The Right Mechanism To Onboard New Bitcoiners?
53:25 - Challenges with Integrating Lightning Payments
57:57 - The Role of Identity in Preventing Spam and Bots
1:12:11 - The Lightning Round

SS6: How The Bitcoin Hotel Stacked 100,000,000+ Sats with OpenNode & LNBits
The Bitcoin Hotel is a family-run hotel near Stuttgart, Germany. They not only accept bookings in Bitcoin, but they also host Bitcoin events, and offer Bitcoin experiences and services throughout their hotel.
In their first year of accepting Bitcoin, The Bitcoin Hotel stacked over 100,000,000 sats using OpenNode and LNBits.
→ The Bitcoin Hotel: https://hotel-princess.de/
→ The Bitcoin Hotel Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrincessPlo
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E109: Burak on Building Ark, Scaling Bitcoin, and Improving Privacy
Burak is the creator of Ark, a second-layer solution designed for scaling Bitcoin.
In ways it is inspired by elements of Bitcoin’s base blockchain, Lightning, e-cash, and coinjoins, and we got into all the details of how Ark will work during our conversation.
→ Ark: https://www.arkpill.me/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:13 - Burak Intro
12:36 - How Burak Changes His Mind
19:12 - First Comes Scalability, Then Comes Privacy
22:00 - What Is Ark?
37:59 - Why Users May Want To Become Ark Service Providers
43:27 - Ark Service Providers vs. Lightning Service Providers
51:30 - The Scalability of Ark
59:59 - How Will Ark Gain User Adoption?
1:06:33 - Monetizing Ark
1:09:47 - Ark Feedback From The Bitcoin Community
1:18:01 - The Lightning Round

E108: Maxim Orlovsky on Building RGB, Standards for BTC & LN, and Smart Contracts on Bitcoin
Maxim Orlovsky is the founder of the LNP/BP Standards Association and the creator of the RGB smart contracts protocol.
In our conversation, we explored the importance of standards for Bitcoin and Lightning, the details of how RGB works and why it’s important, and Maxim’s work on LNP Node and reNostr.
→ RGB Protocol: https://rgb.tech/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:42 - Maxim Orlovsky Intro
12:40 - Why Are Standards Important?
17:20 - What Are The Disadvantages of Internet Standards?
19:32 - Standards on Bitcoin & Lightning
27:29 - How LNP Node Works
30:40 - What is RGB?
33:33 - Why Build Smart Contracts on Bitcoin?
50:04 - What Will People Use RGB For?
55:37 - RGB Development & Timeline
1:07:00 - Maxim’s Views on Nostr
1:14:33 - What is ReNostr?
1:20:57 - The Pieces of the Self-Sovereign Tech Stack

E107: Shehzan Maredia on Building Lava, Bitcoin-Native Borrowing, and Improving Self-Custody UX
Shehzan Maredia is the co-founder of Lava, a Bitcoin project that aims to make sovereign finance simple.
In our discussion we explored the full scope of Lava’s vision, we talked about how Lava’s native Bitcoin borrowing protocol works, and we also discussed Lava’s decision to prioritize building on Bitcoin’s base blockchain over the Lightning Network today.
→ Lava: https://www.lava.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:24 - Shehzan Maredia Intro
05:00 - How Lava’s Bitcoin Borrowing Protocol Works
22:24 - Why Do People Use Borrowing Protocols?
29:27 - Will Lava Integrate Bitcoin-Native Stablecoins?
32:06 - Why Lava Is Not Prioritizing the Lightning Network
42:52 - Lava’s Self-Custodial Wallet
50:21 - The Constraints to Self-Custody Today
55:44 - Building a Full Financial Sovereignty Stack
1:00:48 - The Lightning Round

SS5: How Jesse Berger Stacked 100,000+ Sats with Mash
Jesse Berger is the author of Magic Internet Money, a book that takes readers on a journey about the fundamental principles of money and Bitcoin.
In addition to selling his book on Amazon, Jesse has stacked over 100,000 sats on pay-per-page and value-4-value based Lightning payments using Mash.
→ Magic Internet Money: https://magicbitcoinbook.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E106: Konstantin on Building Kollider, Lightning Derivatives, Synthetic Fiat, and Running a Nostr Relay
Konstantin is the co-founder of Kollider, a Lightning-powered Bitcoin derivatives platform that also offers a browser extension wallet, synthetic fiat stablecoins, and a paid Nostr relay.
In our conversation, we explored the value of instant settlement on Bitcoin exchanges, how Kollider’s wallet and subscription-based Nostr relay works, and how all the different pieces of Kollider’s business fit together.
→ Kollider: https://kollider.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - Konstantin Intro
08:00 - Why Do Bitcoin Exchanges Hold Customer Funds?
14:32 - Has Kollider’s Business Been Affected By High Bitcoin Fees?
18:37 - How Kollider’s Products Fit Together
26:11 - Patterns in Kollider’s Exchange Volume
31:09 - What Will People Use Kollider’s Wallet For?
35:43 - Lightning Web Wallet Comparisons
44:07 - Synthetic Fiat Stablecoins on Kollider
1:05:40 - Kollider’s Paid Subscription Nostr Relay
1:14:35 - Contributors to Rising and Falling Nostr Activity
1:18:18 - The Lightning Round

SS4: How SHAmory Stacked 10,000,000+ Sats with OpenNode, BTCPay Server, Oshi, and Joltz
Scott and Mallory are a California couple building a Bitcoin education company called SHAmory, where they’ve stacked over 10,000,000 sats for selling games, books, and toys that help people learn about Bitcoin.
→ SHAmory: https://shamory.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E105: Lisa Neigut on the State of Bitcoin's Second Layer, L2 Interoperability, and More
Lisa Neigut is the founder of Base58, a Bitcoin protocol academy that helps teach developers the fundamentals of Bitcoin.
In our conversation, we did a deep-dive on Bitcoin’s layer two ecosystem, we explored the goals, trade-offs, and potential of different solutions, as well as a discussion about layer two interoperability, and what (if anything) lies beyond layer two.
→ BTC++ Layer Two Event: https://btcplusplus.dev/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Lisa Neigut Intro
08:25 - Why Are There So Many Layer Two Solutions?
16:04 - Layer Two Scaling vs. Layer Two New Features
29:30 - Will Layer Two Solutions Be Interoperable?
35:15 - What Is Missing From Bitcoin’s Layer Two Ecosystem?
39:56 - Layer Two Incentives
47:05 - What Lies Beyond Layer Two?
51:52 - Frameworks for Understanding Bitcoin Layers
59:02 - Comparing Various Layer Two Solutions
1:11:33 - Final Thoughts for Layer Two Builders

SS3: How Ben Justman Stacked 10,000,000+ Sats with Oshi and IBEX Pay
Ben Justman is a Colorado winemaker who has stacked over 10,000,000 sats for selling bottles of his all-natural Peony Lane Wine using Oshi and IBEX Pay.
→ Peony Lane Wine: https://www.peonylanewine.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E104: UTXO on Building Nodeless, Improving Bitcoin UX for Merchants, and LN & Nostr Use Cases
UTXO is the founder of Nodeless, a product that helps merchants, fundraisers, and other creators accept Bitcoin & Lightning payments without running a node.
In our conversation, we explored how UTXO’s past work on BTCPayServer led him to build Nodeless, the benefits and trade-offs of using Nodeless, along with a discussion about other emerging Lightning and Nostr use cases.
→ Nodeless: https://nodeless.io/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:45 - UTXO Intro
03:33 - UTXO’s Work at BTCPayServer
09:26 - What Kinds of People Will Run Nodes?
16:00 - What Is Nodeless?
25:00 - KYC and Regulations on Lightning
33:50 - The Nodeless LN/Email/NIP-05 Address
43:32 - What Can Be Built with the Nodeless API?
55:35 - P2P Markets on Nostr
59:06 - The Nodeless Business Model
1:08:44 - The Lightning Round

SS2: How Arnold Hubach Stacked 3,000,000+ Sats with Alby's Wordpress Plugin
Arnold Hubach is a Bitcoin writer who has stacked over 3,000,000 sats with Alby’s Wordpress plugin installed on his website, Bitcoin Focus.
→ Bitcoin Focus: https://bitcoinfocus.nl/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E103: Pablo F7Z on Building Nostr Projects, Why Open Networks Win, and The Economics of Nostr
Pablo F7z is the head of R&D at Swan, an advisor to Ego Death Capital, and a builder of too many Nostr apps to name.
In our conversation, we covered Pablo’s fascination with Bitcoin, Lightning, and Nostr, the variety of projects that can be built on nostr, the task of growing the nostr economy for creators and developers, as well as nostr risks and new ideas Pablo is thinking about.
→ Pablo’s Website: https://pablof7z.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:12 - Pablo F7Z Intro
10:47 - Lightning & Nostr Integrations
20:33 - Closed Silos vs. Open Networks
22:30 - How Important is Censorship-Resistance to Nostr?
29:28 - The Browser Wars & Nostr
33:00 - Who Will Earn Money on Nostr?
48:42 - Creators Earning on Nostr
1:03:20 - The Importance of Nostr Relays
1:10:13 - Marketplaces on Nostr
1:23:43 - Topic-Based Relays
1:26:50 - The Lightning Round

SS1: How Joe Martin Stacked 800,000+ Sats on Fountain, Wavlake, Voltage, BTCPayServer, and Alby
Joe Martin is a country singer who has stacked over 800,000 sats for his music using Fountain, Wavlake, Voltage, BTCPayServer, and Alby.
→ Joe Martin: https://www.joemartinmusic.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E102: Nick Slaney on Building c= and Block’s Focus on Growing Bitcoin’s Lightning Network
Nick Slaney is the Lead at c=, which is the name of Block’s new Lightning Service Provider subsidiary.
In our conversation, we explored the reason Block is setting out to build an LSP, Block’s corporate structure and the ways in which different entities interact, and the path to achieving global Lightning adoption.
→ c=: https://cequals.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www