

The Kevin Rooke ShowMay 18, 2022

E108: Maxim Orlovsky on Building RGB, Standards for BTC & LN, and Smart Contracts on Bitcoin
Maxim Orlovsky is the founder of the LNP/BP Standards Association and the creator of the RGB smart contracts protocol.
In our conversation, we explored the importance of standards for Bitcoin and Lightning, the details of how RGB works and why it’s important, and Maxim’s work on LNP Node and reNostr.
→ RGB Protocol: https://rgb.tech/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:42 - Maxim Orlovsky Intro
12:40 - Why Are Standards Important?
17:20 - What Are The Disadvantages of Internet Standards?
19:32 - Standards on Bitcoin & Lightning
27:29 - How LNP Node Works
30:40 - What is RGB?
33:33 - Why Build Smart Contracts on Bitcoin?
50:04 - What Will People Use RGB For?
55:37 - RGB Development & Timeline
1:07:00 - Maxim’s Views on Nostr
1:14:33 - What is ReNostr?
1:20:57 - The Pieces of the Self-Sovereign Tech Stack

E107: Shehzan Maredia on Building Lava, Bitcoin-Native Borrowing, and Improving Self-Custody UX
Shehzan Maredia is the co-founder of Lava, a Bitcoin project that aims to make sovereign finance simple.
In our discussion we explored the full scope of Lava’s vision, we talked about how Lava’s native Bitcoin borrowing protocol works, and we also discussed Lava’s decision to prioritize building on Bitcoin’s base blockchain over the Lightning Network today.
→ Lava: https://www.lava.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:24 - Shehzan Maredia Intro
05:00 - How Lava’s Bitcoin Borrowing Protocol Works
22:24 - Why Do People Use Borrowing Protocols?
29:27 - Will Lava Integrate Bitcoin-Native Stablecoins?
32:06 - Why Lava Is Not Prioritizing the Lightning Network
42:52 - Lava’s Self-Custodial Wallet
50:21 - The Constraints to Self-Custody Today
55:44 - Building a Full Financial Sovereignty Stack
1:00:48 - The Lightning Round

SS5: How Jesse Berger Stacked 100,000+ Sats with Mash
Jesse Berger is the author of Magic Internet Money, a book that takes readers on a journey about the fundamental principles of money and Bitcoin.
In addition to selling his book on Amazon, Jesse has stacked over 100,000 sats on pay-per-page and value-4-value based Lightning payments using Mash.
→ Magic Internet Money: https://magicbitcoinbook.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E106: Konstantin on Building Kollider, Lightning Derivatives, Synthetic Fiat, and Running a Nostr Relay
Konstantin is the co-founder of Kollider, a Lightning-powered Bitcoin derivatives platform that also offers a browser extension wallet, synthetic fiat stablecoins, and a paid Nostr relay.
In our conversation, we explored the value of instant settlement on Bitcoin exchanges, how Kollider’s wallet and subscription-based Nostr relay works, and how all the different pieces of Kollider’s business fit together.
→ Kollider: https://kollider.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - Konstantin Intro
08:00 - Why Do Bitcoin Exchanges Hold Customer Funds?
14:32 - Has Kollider’s Business Been Affected By High Bitcoin Fees?
18:37 - How Kollider’s Products Fit Together
26:11 - Patterns in Kollider’s Exchange Volume
31:09 - What Will People Use Kollider’s Wallet For?
35:43 - Lightning Web Wallet Comparisons
44:07 - Synthetic Fiat Stablecoins on Kollider
1:05:40 - Kollider’s Paid Subscription Nostr Relay
1:14:35 - Contributors to Rising and Falling Nostr Activity
1:18:18 - The Lightning Round

SS4: How SHAmory Stacked 10,000,000+ Sats with OpenNode, BTCPay Server, Oshi, and Joltz
Scott and Mallory are a California couple building a Bitcoin education company called SHAmory, where they’ve stacked over 10,000,000 sats for selling games, books, and toys that help people learn about Bitcoin.
→ SHAmory: https://shamory.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E105: Lisa Neigut on the State of Bitcoin's Second Layer, L2 Interoperability, and More
Lisa Neigut is the founder of Base58, a Bitcoin protocol academy that helps teach developers the fundamentals of Bitcoin.
In our conversation, we did a deep-dive on Bitcoin’s layer two ecosystem, we explored the goals, trade-offs, and potential of different solutions, as well as a discussion about layer two interoperability, and what (if anything) lies beyond layer two.
→ BTC++ Layer Two Event: https://btcplusplus.dev/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
→ Nostr NIP-05: kr@stacker.news
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Lisa Neigut Intro
08:25 - Why Are There So Many Layer Two Solutions?
16:04 - Layer Two Scaling vs. Layer Two New Features
29:30 - Will Layer Two Solutions Be Interoperable?
35:15 - What Is Missing From Bitcoin’s Layer Two Ecosystem?
39:56 - Layer Two Incentives
47:05 - What Lies Beyond Layer Two?
51:52 - Frameworks for Understanding Bitcoin Layers
59:02 - Comparing Various Layer Two Solutions
1:11:33 - Final Thoughts for Layer Two Builders

SS3: How Ben Justman Stacked 10,000,000+ Sats with Oshi and IBEX Pay
Ben Justman is a Colorado winemaker who has stacked over 10,000,000 sats for selling bottles of his all-natural Peony Lane Wine using Oshi and IBEX Pay.
→ Peony Lane Wine: https://www.peonylanewine.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E104: UTXO on Building Nodeless, Improving Bitcoin UX for Merchants, and LN & Nostr Use Cases
UTXO is the founder of Nodeless, a product that helps merchants, fundraisers, and other creators accept Bitcoin & Lightning payments without running a node.
In our conversation, we explored how UTXO’s past work on BTCPayServer led him to build Nodeless, the benefits and trade-offs of using Nodeless, along with a discussion about other emerging Lightning and Nostr use cases.
→ Nodeless: https://nodeless.io/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:45 - UTXO Intro
03:33 - UTXO’s Work at BTCPayServer
09:26 - What Kinds of People Will Run Nodes?
16:00 - What Is Nodeless?
25:00 - KYC and Regulations on Lightning
33:50 - The Nodeless LN/Email/NIP-05 Address
43:32 - What Can Be Built with the Nodeless API?
55:35 - P2P Markets on Nostr
59:06 - The Nodeless Business Model
1:08:44 - The Lightning Round

SS2: How Arnold Hubach Stacked 3,000,000+ Sats with Alby's Wordpress Plugin
Arnold Hubach is a Bitcoin writer who has stacked over 3,000,000 sats with Alby’s Wordpress plugin installed on his website, Bitcoin Focus.
→ Bitcoin Focus: https://bitcoinfocus.nl/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E103: Pablo F7Z on Building Nostr Projects, Why Open Networks Win, and The Economics of Nostr
Pablo F7z is the head of R&D at Swan, an advisor to Ego Death Capital, and a builder of too many Nostr apps to name.
In our conversation, we covered Pablo’s fascination with Bitcoin, Lightning, and Nostr, the variety of projects that can be built on nostr, the task of growing the nostr economy for creators and developers, as well as nostr risks and new ideas Pablo is thinking about.
→ Pablo’s Website: https://pablof7z.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:12 - Pablo F7Z Intro
10:47 - Lightning & Nostr Integrations
20:33 - Closed Silos vs. Open Networks
22:30 - How Important is Censorship-Resistance to Nostr?
29:28 - The Browser Wars & Nostr
33:00 - Who Will Earn Money on Nostr?
48:42 - Creators Earning on Nostr
1:03:20 - The Importance of Nostr Relays
1:10:13 - Marketplaces on Nostr
1:23:43 - Topic-Based Relays
1:26:50 - The Lightning Round

SS1: How Joe Martin Stacked 800,000+ Sats on Fountain, Wavlake, Voltage, BTCPayServer, and Alby
Joe Martin is a country singer who has stacked over 800,000 sats for his music using Fountain, Wavlake, Voltage, BTCPayServer, and Alby.
→ Joe Martin: https://www.joemartinmusic.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr

E102: Nick Slaney on Building c= and Block’s Focus on Growing Bitcoin’s Lightning Network
Nick Slaney is the Lead at c=, which is the name of Block’s new Lightning Service Provider subsidiary.
In our conversation, we explored the reason Block is setting out to build an LSP, Block’s corporate structure and the ways in which different entities interact, and the path to achieving global Lightning adoption.
→ c=: https://cequals.xyz/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:19 - Nick Slaney Intro
08:12 - What is c=?
15:35 - Why Block Decided To Build a Lightning Service Provider
22:27 - Understanding Liquidity on the Lightning Network
23:48 - Why Is c= Important to Block?
26:28 - How Will Block Deploy Their Bitcoin on the Lightning Network?
31:42 - Where Are The Opportunities for Earning Revenue as an LSP?
35:05 - Square Merchants & The Lightning Network
37:57 - How LN Interoperability Influences Product Decisions
42:38 - Open LSPs
53:35 - Payment Reliability on the Lightning Network
1:01:18 - The Role of Hobbyist Lightning Node Operators
1:06:34 - Integrations Between Nostr & Lightning
1:17:08 - The Lightning Round

E101: Andrew Begin on Building Galoy, Bitcoin Communities, and Enterprise Lightning Adoption
Andrew Begin is the Director of Marketing at Galoy, an open source Bitcoin banking platform.
In our conversation, we covered the task of building and sustaining Bitcoin communities such as Bitcoin Beach and Bitcoin Jungle, the tools Galoy is building to help these communities thrive, as well as enterprise Lightning adoption.
→ Galoy: https://galoy.io/
→ Lessons Learned from El Zonte: https://galoy.io/bitcoin-banking-for-communities-lessons-learned-from-el-zonte/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:08 - Andrew Begin Intro
12:33 - Why Are So Few Tech Products Built For IRL Communities?
16:36 - Lessons Learned from Bitcoin Beach
23:15 - Bitcoin Adoption in El Zonte & El Salvador
28:50 - Stablesats & Stablecoins in El Salvador
33:40 - Custody and Bitcoin Banking
42:06 - Advice for Building a Bitcoin Community
51:18 - Enterprise Lightning Adoption
1:13:01 - The Lightning Round

E100: Oscar Merry on Fountain's Evolution, Nostr, Value 4 Value, and Creator Monetization
Oscar Merry is the co-founder and CEO of Fountain, and was actually the very first guest on this podcast back when it started in late 2021.
In our conversation, we covered Fountain’s evolution in the last year, the role of Nostr on Fountain, and of course the concepts of value for value and creator monetization in general.
→ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:27 - Oscar Merry Intro
10:51 - Lessons From Fountain’s Listeners
14:48 - Why Don’t Legacy Podcast Apps Have Messages?
19:50 - How Should Social Media Timelines Be Structured?
31:28 - Listen To Earn on Fountain
40:20 - Does Earning Money Change Engagement?
41:32 - Nostr’s Role on Fountain
48:40 - How To Help Podcasters Upgrade to Podcasting 2.0
1:02:31 - Creator Monetization & Value 4 Value
1:14:36 - The Lightning Round

E99: Desiree Dickerson on Building THNDR Games, Competitive Leagues, and Cross-App Identiy on Nostr
Desiree Dickerson is the CEO of THNDR Games, a Lightning-powered gaming platform that lets you earn Bitcoin for playing games.
In our discussion, we covered the challenge of building and testing new games, the value of earning Bitcoin for gamers and gaming platforms, as well as THNDR’s latest game release and how Nostr might play a role at THNDR Games.
→ THNDR Games: https://www.thndr.games/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:22 - Desiree Dickerson Intro
05:51 - The Evolution of the Lightning Network
18:58 - Why THNDR Games Is Focused on Bitcoin
28:19 - Testing & Developing New Games
32:28 - Operational Lessons from Lightning Labs
39:26 - Solitaire, Leagues, and THNDR Metrics
46:02 - Competitive Elements on THNDR Games
48:50 - Why THNDR Games Is Building on Nostr
55:45 - Building a Cross-App Identity
1:09:59 - The Lightning Round

E98: Vitor Pamplona on Building Amethyst & Nostr Adoption, Development, Competition, and Funding
Vitor Pamplona is the lead developer at Amethyst, the most popular Nostr client for Android with over 50,000 downloads in its first month.
In our conversation we explored Vitor’s path to building Amethyst, we talked about centralization, competition, and collaboration on Nostr, as well as future business models for Amethyst.
→ Amethyst: https://linktr.ee/amethyst.social
→ Vitor on Nostr: https://snort.social/p/npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:20 - Vitor Pamplona Intro
7:20 - Verifiable Credentials and Decentralized Identity
17:20 - How Vitor Built Amethyst
28:59 - Acquiring and Retaining Users on Nostr
37:18 - Will Clients Take a Cut of Zaps on Nostr?
42:45 - What Is The Addressable Market for Nostr?
46:39 - Expanding Nostr Demographics
52:52 - The Challenge of Getting Nostr & Lightning Metrics
57:20 - Competition and Collaboration on Nostr
1:01:38 - Why Amethyst is a Nostr Client
1:09:36 - How Will Amethyst Fund Itself?
1:15:02 - How Nostr’s Architecture Streamlines Development
1:26:05 - The Lightning Round

E97: David King on Google & Nostr’s Early Days, The Role of Lightning on Nostr, and Angel Investing
David King has been an early Google product manager, an angel investor for more than a decade, and is a creator exploring the convergence of Nostr, Bitcoin, and startups.
In our conversation, we explored how Google’s early days compare to the early days of Nostr, the role Lightning could play on Nostr, and how the open internet may change the early stage investing landscape.
→ David King: https://www.curiousdk.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:33 - David King Intro
13:58 - What Made Google Special?
17:20 - How Open Protocols and Companies Attract Great Engineers
22:33 - Success & Failure In Venture Capital
29:26 - Expanding Opportunities for Innovation
35:14 - How Much Value Will Nostr Create For The World?
42:38 - The Role of the Lightning Network on Nostr
52:56 - Business Models on Nostr
1:02:05 - Nostr’s Layers and Opportunities
1:11:31 - Unexplored Ideas for Nostr & Lightning Builders
1:19:38 - How Will Nostr Be Funded?
1:26:31 - The Lightning Round

E96: Dhruv Bansal on The Bitcoin Stack, Distributed Markets, Scaling in Layers, Nostr, Tor, and More
Dhruv Bansal is a physicist, entrepreneur, and the co-founder of Unchained Capital.
In our conversation we explored the idea of scaling Bitcoin in layers, the importance of distributed markets on Bitcoin, Lightning, and beyond, and we touched Nostr, Tor, Ordinals and frameworks for understanding Bitcoin.
→ The Bitcoin Stack Presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlV5_udJkC0
→ Unchained Capital: https://unchained.com/
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This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:20 - Dhruv Bansal Intro
08:41 - What Can Be Built on Bitcoin?
21:23 - Selling Bitcoin vs. Selling Altcoins
36:35 - The Importance of Building in Layers on Bitcoin
45:52 - How Important Is Decentralization on the Lightning Network?
58:22 - Second Order Effects of Lightning Network Changes
1:01:52 - Energy, Bitcoin, & P2P Connections
1:06:43 - The Pendulum of Centralization & Decentralization
1:13:23 - Can Lightning Fix Tor?
1:26:15 - The Role of Companies on Layered Protocol Systems
1:31:50 - Making Changes to Bitcoin
1:47:37 - The Lightning Round

E95: Nicholas Gregory on Statechains, Mercury Wallet, Scaling Bitcoin, and the Lightning Network
Nicholas Gregory is the CEO of CommerceBlock, the company using Statechains to power their product Mercury Wallet.
In our conversation, Nick explained the concept and utility of statechains, Mercury Wallet’s upcoming Lightning integration, and we also discussed LSPs and Bitcoin transaction fees.
→ Mercury Wallet: https://mercurywallet.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:18 - Nicholas Gregory Intro
04:25 - CommerceBlock
05:56 - What are Statechains?
17:18 - Building Mercury Wallet
23:51 - Changes to Bitcoin’s Protocol
34:58 - Trends in Bitcoin Transaction Fees
37:50 - Catalysts for Lightning Development
45:37 - Traits of Good Lightning Service Providers
54:58 - Attacking the Lightning Network
1:03:59 - The Lightning Round

E94: Morgen Rochard on Building Origin, Bitcoin Financial Planning, and Payment Regulations
Morgen Rochard is the founder of Origin Wealth Advisers, a CFA, CFP, and a well-known Bitcoin advocate.
In our conversation, we spoke about the challenge of preserving one’s wealth on a fiat standard, the things Bitcoin does and does not fix, and regulations and tax implications of Bitcoin and Lightning Network payments.
As always, the best way you can support this show is by sending in sats over the Lightning Network. You can use any podcasting 2.0 app, there are many of them, but my favorite is Fountain.
→ Origin: https://www.originwa.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - Morgen Rochard Intro
13:10 - Personal Finance and Monetary Incentives
20:50 - Bitcoin Fixes This, But Not All Things
27:25 - Dealing with Bitcoin Volatility
40:51 - Getting Bitcoin Exposure
52:43 - Implications of Earning Bitcoin
59:29 - Capital Gains & Record Keeping
1:18:38 - The Lightning Round

E93: Paul Sztorc on Drivechain (BIP 300/301), Bitcoin Sidechains, and Building Layer Two Labs
Paul Sztorc is the Founder and CEO of Layer 2 Labs, as well as the author of BIP 300 and 301 and a Drivechain advocate.
In our conversation, we explored Drivechain history, the pros and cons of sidechains on Bitcoin, and the work Paul is doing at Layer Two Labs to help scale Bitcoin.
→ Drivechain: https://www.drivechain.info/
→ Layer Two Labs: https://layertwolabs.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:04 - Paul Sztorc Intro
16:25 - What Is Drivechain?
19:53 - Why Haven’t BIP 300/301 Been Implemented?
32:32 - Have Drivechain Opinions Changed Over Time?
41:54 - The Effects of Bitcoin’s Blocksize War
47:50 - What Benefits Could Bitcoin Get From Drivechain?
59:59 - What Are The Best Arguments Against Drivechain?
1:12:07 - Layer Two Labs
1:28:30 - Improving Bitcoin UX
1:53:05 - Sidechains and the Lightning Network
1:59:34 - The Lightning Round

E92: John Carvalho on Synonym, Blocktank, Bitkit, Pear Credit, Slashtags, and Hyper-Bitcoinization
John Carvalho is the CEO of Synonym, a company working on a number of Bitcoin and identity products and protocols including their Bitkit wallet, their Blocktank LSP, their Slashtags protocol, and their collaboration with Holepunch on Pear Credit.
In our conversation we talked about the business case for building an LSP, the unique features of Bitkit, the vision for Pear Credit, and the identity landscape with overlapping protocols in Slashtags, TBD, and Nostr.
→ Synonym: https://synonym.to/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:47 - John Carvalho Intro
05:05 - Blocktank and the LSP Business
13:22 - Demand for Lightning Network Liquidity
32:52 - Regulations and the Lightning Network
41:24 - Removing IP Addresses from the Lightning Protocol
43:59 - How The BitKit Wallet Works
1:02:23 - The Vision for Pear Credit
1:16:01 - Tokens on the Internet
1:27:59 - How Slashtags Works
1:36:53 - Slashtags vs. TBD
1:46:04 - Can Multiple Web Identity Systems Succeed?
1:58:42 - The Lightning Round

E91: Calle on Open Source Software, Lightning Development, LNBits, Cashu, & More
Calle is a Lightning developer who has worked on a handful of Lightning projects, including Lightning Tip Bot, LNBits, and Cashu.
In our conversation we talked about the Cambrian explosion of Lightning development happening lately, the importance of open source software, e-cash mints, and we did a deep-dive into the work Calle is doing on LNBits and Cashu today.
→ LNBits: https://lnbits.com/
→ Cashu: https://cashu.space/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://stacksats.how/voltage
→ Stakwork: https://stacksats.how/stakwork
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://www.stacksats.how/podcast
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:16 - Calle Intro
06:05 - The Cambrian Explosion in Lightning Development
17:08 - Why Calle Loves Open Source Software
29:44 - Was The Internet Built Backwards?
39:20 - Jack Dorsey’s Nostr Donation
40:50 - Lightning Tip Bot
54:09 - How Does LNBits Work?
1:05:32 - What Is Cashu & What Are E-Cash Mints?
1:14:08 - Will Custodial LN Wallets Integrate Cashu?
1:19:43 - The Lightning Round

E90: Evan Kaloudis on Building Zeus, Lightning Self Custody, Open Source Funding, Tor, and Taro
Evan Kaloudis is the founder of Zeus, an open-source and self-custodial mobile Lightning wallet.
We talked about building Zeus and the new features it offers, the tension between custodial and self-custodial Lightning wallets, and the roadmap and business model for Zeus looking forward.
→ Zeus: https://zeusln.app/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:17 - Evan Kaloudis Intro
06:43 - Evan’s Decision to Build Zeus
17:01 - What Is Missing from the Lightning Ecosystem?
23:59 - Custodial vs. Self-Custodial Lightning Payments
36:49 - Privacy on the Lightning Network
40:20 - Why Haven’t Regulators Targeted Lightning Companies?
42:04 - Taro and Zeus
46:09 - Zeus 0.7 Release
59:33 - Can Bitcoin Payments Fix Tor?
1:10:23 - Zeus’ Business Model
1:15:30 - The Lightning Round

E89: Ben Carman on Lightning Network Privacy, Building Mutiny, and Browser-Based Lightning Wallets
Ben Carman is a Lightning privacy researcher, working on a handful of Lightning projects including Mutiny Wallet, The Bitcoin Company, and Vortex.
We talked about the state of Lightning Network privacy, the challenge of improving one’s privacy, and the work Ben is doing to bring Lightning wallets directly to your browser with Mutiny.
→ Mutiny Wallet: https://mutinywallet.com/
→ Lightning Privacy Research: https://lightningprivacy.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Bitcoin News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:24 - Ben Carman Intro
04:45 - Why Ben Loves Open Source Software
07:17 - Bitcoin’s Privacy Arms Race
13:06 - The Cypherpunk Manifesto & Lightning
21:16 - Do People Understand The Importance of Privacy?
28:45 - Lightning Privacy Report
36:14 - How Channel CoinJoins Can Improve Privacy
43:58 - How Many People Use CoinJoins Today?
46:15 - Blinded Paths & Trampoline Routing
55:17 - Mutiny Wallet
1:02:38 - Why Builders Are Migrating To The Web
1:09:36 - The Lightning Round

E88: Will Reeves on Building Fold, Bitcoin Entrepreneurs, and the Lightning Network's Evolution
Will Reeves is the CEO and co-founder of Fold, a platform that helps users earn Bitcoin rewards whenever they shop or use the Fold app.
We talked about the challenge of building a resilient Bitcoin business in all kinds of market conditions, Fold’s strategy of giving away hundreds of Bitcoin to users, and the ways in which the Lightning Network needs to differentiate itself from other payment platforms.
→ Fold: https://use.foldapp.com/r/E7MPJRE4
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Stacker News: https://stacker.news/r/kr
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:22 - Will Reeves Intro
08:49 - Why Will Decided to Build Fold
11:59 - Building Through Bull and Bear Markets
25:28 - Fold’s Gamification Strategy
32:23 - How Much Bitcoin Should Fold Pay Users?
40:19 - Bitcoin Venture Capital
56:50 - The Importance of the Lightning Network
1:08:03 - Issues with Comparing the Lightning Network to Fiat Rails
1:18:06 - The Lightning Round

E87: Caitlin Long on Custodia and How Banks Will Interact with Bitcoin, Stablecoins, and Lightning
Caitlin Long is a Wall Street veteran, and the Founder and CEO of Custodia, a platform for digital asset banking, custody, and payments.
We had a wide-ranging conversation examining how banks might interact with Bitcoin in the future, the importance of stablecoins, Lightning adoption, and much more.
→ Custodia: https://custodiabank.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:59 - Caitlin Long Intro
05:50 - How Wall Street’s Views on Bitcoin Have Evolved
13:54 - Hal Finney’s Vision for Bitcoin Banks
22:59 - Scaling Bitcoin in Layers
31:34 - Moving Bitcoin or Fiat on Lightning
44:28 - Improving Bitcoin and Fiat Infrastructure
49:28 - Banking Costs vs. Bitcoin Costs
59:32 - Can All Banks Benefit from Lightning Payments?
1:12:06 - The Lightning Round

E86: Ben Price on Building The Bitcoin Company, OpenSats, and Improving Payments with Lightning
Ben Price is the co-founder and CEO of The Bitcoin Company (TBC), an app that allows anyone to earn Bitcoin for all their shopping.
In our conversation, we discussed how TBC’s app works, the challenge of disrupting credit card and loyalty point networks all over the world, the importance of the Lightning Network, and the work Ben is doing on OpenSats.
→ The Bitcoin Company: https://thebitcoincompany.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:23 - Ben Price Intro
06:45 - How VISA Payments Work
15:56 - Why Are Fiat Payments So Complicated?
18:38 - How The Bitcoin Company Works
29:08 - Why Merchants Like Credit Cards
39:00 - Disrupting Credit Cards and Airline Rewards
51:33 - Bitcoin Banks
1:01:19 - What Payments Will People Make on Lightning?
1:10:30 - What Is OpenSats?
1:17:13 - The Lightning Round

E85: Albert Buu on Building NeutronPay, Payments in Vietnam, and Instant Lightning Remittances
Albert Buu is the founder of NeutronPay, a company building a Lightning-powered API and mobile app for moving money around the world.
In our conversation, we discussed NeutronPay’s product and vision for their API, why they’ve decided to initially focus on the Vietnam market, and the adoption and addressable opportunity for Lightning remittances.
→ NeutronPay: https://neutronpay.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Albert Buu Intro
08:53 - Albert’s Views on Payment Middlemen
14:38 - Custodial Lightning Products and Banks
23:12 - How NeutronPay Works
29:42 - Why NeutronPay Is Focused on Vietnam
36:57 - Payment Use Cases in Vietnam
41:49 - NeutronPay and Lightning Competitors
49:00 - El Salvador Remittance Adoption
59:30 - Constraints to Lightning Adoption in Southeast Asia
1:08:15 - The Lightning Round

E84: Alex Busarov on Building Heatbit and How Home Heaters Could Distribute Bitcoin Mining Hashrate
Alex Busarov is the founder of Heatbit, a company building an electric heater that mines Bitcoin.
In our conversation, we discussed how the Heatbit heater works, whether this home heating use case can introduce new people to Bitcoin mining, when Heatbit plans to integrate Lightning Network payouts, as well as the vision and roadmap for the company.
→ Heatbit: https://www.heatbit.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:11 - Alex Busarov Intro
06:41 - How Does Heatbit Work?
13:31 - Building a Miner vs. Building a Heater
18:16 - The Economics of a Heatbit Heater
24:42 - Why Heatbit Chose To Build Home Heaters
34:35 - Will Heatbit Integrate Lightning Network Payouts?
38:56 - Will All Heaters Be Powered By Bitcoin Miners?
50:12 - Heatbit’s Roadmap & Product Strategy
1:02:30 - The Lightning Round

E83: Azz on Building Valera and Combining Lightning Software & Hardware To Bring Billions To Bitcoin
Azz is the 16 year old founder of Valera, a company uniting hardware and software to bring Lightning payments to billions of people around the world.
In our conversation, we discussed Indra, Valera’s Lightning node runtime for enabling near-zero cost Lightning nodes, we discussed the concept of connecting cold keys and wearable devices to your Lightning node, and we explored the idea of integrating hardware and software to build better products.
→ Valera: https://valera.co/
→ Indra Tweetstorm: https://twitter.com/617a7a/status/1594696672973570048
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:15 - Azz Intro
09:09 - What Is A Lightning Node Runtime?
11:31 - How Indra Works
21:59 - What Might Indra Developers Build?
23:58 - Cold Keys on the Lightning Network
35:27 - Lowering the Cost of a Lightning Node by 10,000x
38:51 - Performance Trade-offs of Indra
46:03 - Will Indra Improve Lightning Network Reliability?
50:49 - Valera’s Vision
1:07:08 - Valera’s Focus on Hardware & Software
1:20:48 - The Lightning Round

E82: Alex Adelman on Building Lolli, Accelerating Bitcoin Adoption, and the Lightning Network
Alex Adelman is the CEO & co-founder of Lolli, a Bitcoin-back rewards platform that has helped over 600,000 people stack sats while shopping.
We had a wide-ranging conversation that covered Lolli’s aim to increase Bitcoin adoption, why Lolli has chosen not to integrate the Lightning Network yet, and why Alex believes smart contracts on Bitcoin are a big net positive for the ecosystem.
→ Lolli: https://lolli.com/share/GFQ8CiEhMc
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:27 - Alex Adelman Intro
10:41 - How Bitcoin Prices & Economic Downturns Affect Lolli
16:39 - How Do We Accelerate Bitcoin Adoption
28:14 - What Should Bitcoiners Be Focused On?
32:09 - Why Non-Fungible Assets are Important to Bitcoin
37:21 - Celebrity Investors & Bitcoin
45:32 - Why Lolli Isn’t on the Lightning Network Yet
52:02 - How To Make Lightning Simple
58:12 - Lolli’s Roadmap
1:01:17 - The Evolution of Cash Back Rewards
1:15:39 - Incentivized Advertising on the Internet
1:20:26 - The Lightning Round

E81: Bastien Teinturier on ACINQ, Collaborating with LN Implementations, and Lightning Adoption
Bastien Teinturier is the VP of Engineering at ACINQ, the team behind the Eclair Lightning implementation and the Phoenix mobile wallet.
We spoke about collaboration and competition between Lightning implementations, the task of building Eclair and Phoenix, as well as a discussion about Lightning business models and Lightning adoption.
→ ACINQ: https://acinq.co/
Sponsors
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→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:28 - Bastien Teinturier Intro
08:47 - Communication Between Bitcoin & Lightning Developers
12:29 - Why Has Lightning Payment Reliability Improved?
16:30 - Communication Between Lightning Implementations
27:48 - Why ACINQ Built Phoenix Wallet
33:38 - Upcoming Phoenix Wallet Features
43:25 - Lightning Features on ACINQ’s Roadmap
51:31 - Why ACINQ Chose VC Funding
1:07:02 - The Lightning Round

E80: Austin Mitchell on Building Synota & How Lightning Payments Can Disrupt the Energy Industry
Austin Mitchell is the co-founder and CEO of Synota, a platform providing instant payments for energy generators, distributors, and consumers by leveraging Bitcoin’s Lightning Network.
In our conversation we discussed the complexity of the energy value chain, the risks associated with the cash lags that energy companies are exposed to, and we discussed how Synota’s technology will reduce risks and lower costs across the energy industry.
→ Synota: https://www.synota.io/
Sponsors
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→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:52 - Austin Mitchell Intro
06:24 - Energy Production & Consumption
14:06 - How Distributed is the Energy Industry?
32:14 - How Synota Will Improve the Energy Industry
38:32 - The Addressable Opportunity for Improved Energy Payments
50:16 - Synota’s Business Model
52:26 - Why is Synota Focusing on Bitcoin Miners?
1:02:48 - The Lightning Round

E79: Julian Fahrer on Building Apollo, The Price of Information, and the Lightning Network
Julian Fahrer is the co-founder and CEO of Apollo, a platform for discovering and writing reviews of your favorite products, where quality reviews are rewarded with Bitcoin.
In our conversation we grappled with the ideas that information should be free but time should not, we explored the issues with review platforms today, and we talked about how Lightning Network payments can help Apollo generate higher quality reviews.
→ Apollo: https://heyapollo.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:18 - Julian Fahrer Intro
08:26 - Should Information Be Free?
17:45 - Why Apollo Chose To Build a Reviews Platform
23:20 - Apollo’s Vision
31:12 - The Importance of Negative Feedback Loops
36:14 - What’s Wrong with Review Platforms Today?
41:05 - How Monetary Incentives Affect Reviews
48:50 - The Challenge of Getting a Product to Critical Mass
54:59 - Apollo’s Impact on Advertising
1:05:27 - The Lightning Round

E78: Marco Argentieri on Building Fuji Money Using the Lightning Network & Liquid Sidechain
Marco Argentieri is the co-founder of Fuji Money, a non-custodial platform for issuing Bitcoin-backed stablecoins and synthetic assets using the Lightning Network and Bitcoin’s Liquid sidechain.
In our conversation we discussed how Fuji works, the concept of over-collateralized lending, and why Fuji is building on Lightning and Liquid.
→ Fuji Money: https://fuji.money/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:07 - Marco Argentieri Intro
06:36 - Why Fuji Is Building on Lightning & Liquid
13:56 - How Does Fuji Money Work?
19:06 - Why Do We Need Over-Collateralized Lending?
34:13 - Fuji Money’s Business Model
37:20 - How Fuji Interacts with the Lightning Network
41:28 - Fuji Roadmap
44:07 - Regulatory Issues with Issuing Stablecoins
49:17 - Ideas for Bitcoin Builders
52:32 - The Lightning Round

E77: Sam Wouters on Insights from River's Lightning Nodes, RLS, and the Future of LN Payments
Sam Wouters is a Bitcoin Research Analyst at River, where he has recently put together an in-depth report on River’s Lightning Nodes.
In our conversation we discussed Sam’s findings from studying the payments flowing through River’s node, River’s API service, and the future of payments on the Lightning Network.
→ River’s Lightning Report: https://river.com/learn/files/river-lightning-report.pdf
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:13 - Sam Wouters Intro
09:10 - Becoming a Better Bitcoin Educator
15:45 - Why River Published Their Lightning Report
29:53 - How Does River Decide Which Nodes To Connect To?
32:44 - How River & Chivo Are Working Together
38:28 - How Will River Make Money on the Lightning Network?
43:57 - Why Are So Many Lightning Nodes Running on Tor?
49:20 - How Important is Decentralization on Lightning?
1:04:25 - Making Large Payments on Lightning
1:17:41 - The Lightning Round

E76: Chase Perkins on the Impervious Browser, Decentralized Identifiers, and Digital Self-Sovereignty
Chase Perkins is the founder of Impervious, a Lightning-powered, P2P internet browser that recently launched their alpha version.
In our conversation we discussed censorship and privacy on the internet today, we explored how Impervious works, the importance of peer-to-peer communication, decentralized identifiers, and the Lightning Network.
→ Impervious: https://www.impervious.ai/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:23 - Chase Perkins Intro
10:21 - Where Would The World Be Without P2P Technology?
15:26 - How Does the Impervious Browser Work?
20:39 - Surprises Building Impervious
26:52 - Impervious Transitioning from an API to a Browser
34:14 - The Importance of Having Multiple Decentralized Identities
39:58 - Why Aren’t All Apps P2P?
50:16 - Emerging P2P App Ideas
1:05:56 - Why Is Lightning Necessary for Impervious?
1:11:45 - The Lightning Round

E75: John Light on Validity Rollups on Bitcoin, ZK-proofs, and the Lightning Network
John Light is a Bitcoin researcher who recently published a paper exploring how Validity Rollups might work on Bitcoin.
In our conversation, we first explored what zero-knowledge proofs and rollups are, we discussed the different ways in which rollups could be implemented, the risks and rewards to implementing rollups on Bitcoin, and the ways in which rollups and the Lightning Network could be complementary to each other.
→ Bitcoin Rollups: https://bitcoinrollups.org/
→ Unexpected Tradeoff from Bitcoin Soft Forks: https://bitcoinops.org/en/newsletters/2022/07/13/#x-only-workaround
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:26 - John Light Intro
10:31 - What are ZK-Proofs & Rollups?
18:23 - How Might Rollups Help Bitcoin Scalability
27:57 - Privacy Implications of Rollups on Bitcoin
34:25 - Rollup Security
39:44 - How Might Rollups Be Implemented on Bitcoin?
44:14 - The Case Against Rollups on Bitcoin
52:26 - Unintended Consequences of Bitcoin Soft Forks
1:00:45 - Validity Rollups vs. Lightning Network
1:11:06 - The Lightning Round

E74: Johns Beharry on Bitcoin Design, Bolt.Fun, and Accelerating Global Bitcoin Adoption
Johns Beharry is a Bitcoin designer building a platform for Lightning builders called Bolt.Fun.
In our conversation, we explored the importance of design in Bitcoin, the state of the Bitcoin builder ecosystem, and the Legends of Lightning tournament being hosted by Bolt.Fun to get more builders working on Lightning to accelerate global Bitcoin adoption.
→ Bolt.Fun: https://makers.bolt.fun
→ Legends of Lightning: https://makers.bolt.fun/tournaments/1/overview
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:14 - Johns Beharry Intro
11:58 - The Importance of Design in Bitcoin
15:18 - The Bitcoin Design Guide
30:42 - Design Priorities in the Bitcoin Ecosystem
34:41 - What is Bolt.Fun?
47:17 - Builders in the Legends of Lightning Tournament
52:29 - The Health of the Bitcoin Builder Community
1:03:49 - Bitcoin Open Source Grants
1:16:44 - The Lightning Round

E73: James Andrew on Lightning Bridge, Using Lightning as a Payment Rail, Web3, and Taro
James Andrew is the CEO & Technical Director of Global Liquidity, the company building a product called Lightning Bridge to connect apps like Cash App and Strike with crypto over the Lightning Network.
In our discussion, James explained exactly how Lightning Bridge works, why the Lightning Network is the perfect payment rail for currency swaps and transfers, and we discussed Web3, Taro, and more.
→ Lightning Bridge: https://www.lightningbridge.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:19 - James Andrew Intro
06:24 - How Lightning Bridge Works
11:02 - Lightning Bridge vs. Strike
15:21 - The Different Types of Lightning Node Operators
23:38 - Why Do Institutions Care About Lightning?
29:22 - Will Wrapped Assets on Taro Disrupt Lightning Bridge?
37:24 - Is The Lightning Network Necessary for Digital Payments?
40:48 - Lightning Bridge Competitors
54:08 - James Andrew on Taro
1:00:50 - How Will The Lightning Network Change The World?
1:06:52 - The Lightning Round

E72: Vijay Boyapati on The Evolution of Money, Bitcoin's Role as Money, and the Lightning Network
Vijay Boyapati is the author of The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, and one of the brightest Bitcoiners around.
In our discussion, Vijay explained his thesis on the evolution of money, we explored where Bitcoin is in this four-phase evolution, and specifically covered the role of the Lightning Network and Bitcoin as a medium of exchange.
→ The Bullish Case for Bitcoin: https://www.bullishcaseforbitcoin.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:24 - Vijay Boyapati Intro
08:00 - The Evolution of Money
26:08 - How Long Will Bitcoin’s Evolution Take?
32:53 - Bitcoin and the Gartner Hype Cycle
36:53 - Bitcoin as a Medium of Exchange
46:01 - Earning Bitcoin on the Lightning Network
49:37 - Interesting Lightning Network Use Cases
55:08 - The Lightning Round

E71: Ry Sterling on IBEX Mercado, New Lightning Use Cases, and Helping El Salvador Adopt Bitcoin
Ry Sterling is the VP of North America at IBEX Mercado. There are two parts to the IBEX business, it is a tool enabling merchants to accept Bitcoin payments, and an infrastructure platform for enabling entirely new Lightning use cases.
In our discussion, Ry explained the vision for IBEX Mercado, we explored a bunch of emerging Lightning use cases, and we discussed the adoption of Bitcoin in El Salvador.
→ IBEX Mercado: https://www.ibexmercado.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:44 - Ry Sterling Intro
15:23 - Gamifying Money on the Lightning Network
20:30 - Remittances & IBEX Cash
26:48 - Where Will Lightning Adoption Come From?
30:23 - What Lessons IBEX Learned From Pitching Merchants
42:35 - When Will Square Introduce Lightning Payments?
43:28 - Why IBEX’s Business Is Accelerating
47:36 - IBEX & El Salvador
55:55 - What Impact Will Fiat Bridges on Lightning Have on the World?
1:03:54 - The Lightning Round

E70: Ray Marceau on Building Purse, Integrating Lightning, and Focusing on Bitcoin
Ray Marceau is the CEO of Purse, a marketplace enabling anyone to spend Bitcoin to buy products on Amazon, or sell Amazon gift cards to buy Bitcoin.
In our discussion, Ray explained how the Purse platform works, the ups and downs of their 8-year journey in the Bitcoin space, why Purse decided to integrate Lightning payments this summer, and why they’re considering focusing exclusively on Bitcoin on their platform.
→ Purse: https://app.purse.io?_r=StackSats
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ Stakwork: https://stakwork.com/
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Stack Sats: https://www.stacksats.how/
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:38 - Ray Marceau Intro
13:54 - How Does Purse Work?
17:28 - Purse and Amazon Gift Cards
23:55 - Purse’s Lightning Network Integration
36:04 - What Lightning Metrics Is Purse Watching?
38:04 - Why Purse is Focusing on Bitcoin
56:42 - Privacy on Lightning
59:42 - Ray’s Lessons Learned as CEO
1:06:03 - The Lightning Round

E68: Lyle Pratt on Building Vida, Communicating on Lightning, and Helping Anyone Earn For Their Time
Lyle Pratt is the founder and CEO of Vida, a platform for letting anyone monetize their time with paid messages, calls, and livestreams.
In our discussion, Lyle explained how Vida works, the role Lightning payments might play across social media, his experience building on Lightning to date, and how Vida could help more people earn more Bitcoin.
→ Vida: https://vida.page/?ref=kr
Sponsor
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:06 - Lyle Pratt Intro
05:37 - Vida’s Vision
12:27 - Why is Money the Right Tool to Reduce Spam?
18:08 - Will Advertisers Target Vida Users?
22:53 - Emerging Vida Use Cases
32:25 - Payment Splits and Referral Systems
41:59 - Vida Adoption To Date
43:46 - Lyle’s Experience Building on Lightning
57:47 - Creators Earning on Vida
1:02:20 - How Will Vida Capture Value?
1:16:47 - The Lightning Round

E67: Egge on Lightning Network Advertising and the Creator Economy on a Bitcoin Standard
Egge is the co-founder of Starbackr and an advertising industry veteran who has fallen down the Bitcoin and Lightning rabbit hole.
Egge explained how the world of advertising works, how Lightning could offer improvements for advertisers and consumers, and how the creator economy might evolve on a Bitcoin standard.
→ Starbackr: https://starbackr.com/
Sponsor
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:55 - Egge Intro
06:38 - The Advertising Industry Today
17:20 - Disrupting The Advertising Middlemen
25:40 - Changing The Relationship People Have With Advertisers
40:42 - Advertising on the Lightning Network
50:26 - Creator Monetization Business Models
54:56 - Enabling Anyone to Earn Online
1:06:15 - The Lightning Round

E66: Danny Diekroeger on Cash App, LDK, and Operating the Deezy LN Node
Danny Diekroeger is a Bitcoin software engineer at Cash App, and the operator of one of the world’s largest Lightning nodes.
In our conversation, Danny explained how Cash App thinks about building Bitcoin and Lightning features, and the challenges of operating a Bitcoin business at scale. we also discussed Spiral’s Lightning Development Kit and Danny’s strategy for becoming a top Lightning node operator.
→ Deezy Node: https://deezy.io/
→ Danny Diekroeger on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dannydiekroeger
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:19 - Danny Diekroeger Intro
07:55 - Why Cash App Integrated Lightning
13:41 - Lightning Adoption at Cash App
23:28 - Lightning Network Payment Success Rate
26:22 - Cash App’s Infrastructure for Building Bitcoin Apps at Scale
43:08 - How Companies Choose Between Lightning Implementations
48:10 - The Evolution of Block’s Business Structure
1:00:57 - Danny’s Journey to Becoming a LN Node Operator
1:09:51 - Reputation on the Lightning Network
1:20:35 - Running a Profitable Lightning Node
1:24:34 - The Lightning Round

E65: Fiatjaf on LNURL, Nostr, LNTXBot, Pancho, P2P Apps, Value 4 Value, and More
Fiatjaf is a pseudonymous programmer who has worked on a handful of really impactful projects in and adjacent to the Lightning Network ecosystem.
In our discussion, we discussed the work Fiatjaf has done on LNURL, LNTXBot, Nostr, and Pancho, as well as the P2P internet movement and the concept of Value 4 Value.
→ Fiatjaf’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/fiatjaf
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:15 - Fiatjaf Intro
03:46 - Why Fiatjaf Began Working on Lightning
08:18 - LNTXBot Adoption
11:10 - What Are Hosted Channels?
21:00 - Are Lightning Nodes “Money Transmitters”?
23:40 - What is LNURL?
33:22 - What Happens After BOLT12?
38:05 - The State of Lightning Development
42:37 - Lightning Adoption & Earning Bitcoin
44:42 - What is Nostr?
54:57 - P2P Communication vs. Nostr
1:00:25 - Value 4 Value
1:11:10 - The Lightning Round

E64: Joe Consorti on the Time Value of the Lightning Network, Lightning Banks, and Taro
Joe Consorti is a Bitcoin market analyst who recently wrote a great article called The Time Value of the Lightning Network.
In our discussion, we got into the time value of money and how it applies to the Lightning Network, we discussed Lightning banks, and we explored the idea of generating yield on Lightning today, and using things like Taro in the future.
→ The Time Value of the Lightning Network: https://thebitcoinlayer.substack.com/p/the-time-value-of-lightning-network
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This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:31 - Joe Consorti Intro
06:58 - Lightning Network Catalysts
09:59 - Earning Yield and the Lightning Network Reference Rate
26:49 - Lightning Network Fees Over Time
32:07 - Why Public LN Capacity is a Lagging Indicator
39:12 - The Fiat vs. Bitcoin Risk Curves
50:44 - Bitcoin Denominated Loans
59:12 - Who Can Be a Lightning Bank?
1:02:37 - Taro’s Impact on Bitcoin and Lightning
1:15:17 - The Lightning Round

E63: Christopher David on Arcade City, Decentralized Ride Sharing, and Building on Lightning
Christopher David is the CEO and Founder of Arcade City, a peer-to-peer platform that aims to decentralize ride-sharing and enable a circular Bitcoin economy.
In our talk, we spoke about Arcade City’s vision, the issues facing gig economy workers, and why Arcade City decided use Bitcoin, Lightning, and Nostr to bring their platform to life.
→ Arcade City: https://arcade.city/
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→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:30 - Christopher David Intro
08:46 - Arcade City’s Inception
17:07 - Why Is Arcade City Building on Lightning?
33:35 - Arcade City Payments, Communication, and Discovery
49:40 - Can Arcade City Disrupt Uber or Lyft?
1:13:26 - Scaling Arcade City
1:20:17 - The Lightning Round

E62: John on Building Zaprite, Getting Paid in Bitcoin, and Accounting on a Bitcoin Standard
John is the CEO and Founder of Zaprite, an invoicing platform that helps anyone get paid in Bitcoin.
In our talk, we spoke about how Zaprite’s product works, the challenges keeping people from getting paid in Bitcoin, and the things people really care about when accepting payments: fees, speed, and stability.
→ Zaprite: https://zaprite.com/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
This show is a Lightning podcast. That means instead of asking for likes or shares, I ask for sats.
The best way to show your support is to download Fountain from the App Store, load your wallet with some sats, and send them over the Lightning Network to kerooke@fountain.fm.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:11 - John from Zaprite Intro
12:20 - How To Get People Earning Bitcoin
20:34 - Payment Fees, Speed, and Price Stability
37:19 - Aggregating Balances Across Lightning Wallets
42:55 - KYC Rules for Bitcoin Invoicing and Accounting Software
47:43 - Operating a Bitcoin Startup in an Uncertain World
1:02:39 - Austin’s Bitcoin Community
1:11:58 - The Lightning Round

E61: Nicolas Burtey on Stablesats, Galoy, Bitcoin Banks, and El Salvador's Bitcoin Adoption
Nicolas Burtey is the CEO and co-founder of Galoy, an open source banking platform helping communities of any size adopt Bitcoin.
In our talk, we spoke about Galoy’s latest release called Stablesats, we talked about the future of stablecoins and Bitcoin banks, and Nicolas shared some updates on the latest in El Salvador’s Bitcoin adoption.
→ Galoy: https://galoy.io/
→ Adopting Bitcoin Conference: https://adoptingbitcoin.org/2022/
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud
→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:13 - What Is Stablesats?
08:03 - Stablesats Risks
16:08 - Asset vs. Contract Stablecoins
20:18 - Why Are Stablecoins Being Built on Lightning Now?
24:02 - Will Galoy Earn Money from Stablesats?
29:24 - Galoy Adoption & Bitcoin Banking
35:25 - What Is The Role of a Bank in the Bitcoin Economy?
53:00 - Bitcoin Adoption in El Salvador
1:08:38 - The Lightning Round

E60: Randy Naar on the Liquid Sidechain, Blockstream, Issuing Assets & More
Randy Naar is a software engineer at Blockstream, working on getting assets on the Liquid side chain.
In our talk, we spoke about what Liquid is, how it works, Liquid Network usage today, and the applications that asset issuers might want to use Liquid for in the future.
→ Liquid: https://blockstream.com/liquid/
Sponsors
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→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:13 - Randy Naar Intro
08:25 - How Does The Liquid Sidechain Work?
13:26 - Liquid & Lightning
27:02 - What Is The Bear Case for Liquid?
39:23 - Liquid Usage Today
47:51 - Attracting Developers To Build on Liquid
49:50 - Liquid Assets & Taro Assets
1:02:31 - The Lightning Round

E59: Paolo Ardoino & Mathias Buus on Holepunch, Keet, Building P2P Apps, and Lightning Adoption
Paolo Ardoino and Mathias Buus are the co-founders of Holepunch, a fully encrypted platform for building peer-to-peer applications. Matthias is the CEO, who has been building P2P products for a decade, and Paolo is CSO, along with being the CTO at Tether.
In our talk, we spoke about what Holepunch is and how it works, how P2P apps can eliminate the costs and risks of relying on cloud data storage, we explored the apps developers could build on top of Holepunch, and the ways they could monetize their apps with Bitcoin or stablecoins on Lightning.
→ Holepunch: https://holepunch.to/
→ Keet: https://keet.io/
Sponsors
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Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:25 - Mathias Buus & Paolo Ardoino Intro
13:08 - How Do Holepunch & Keet Work?
21:23 - BitTorrent vs. Holepunch
25:41 - What Happens To Datacenters In A P2P World?
32:19 - Will Web 2 Companies Adapt To P2P Technology?
45:47 - Why Is Holepunch Being Built Today?
52:17 - Holepunch vs. Personal Servers
1:11:46 - What Can Developers Build on Holepunch?
1:18:07 - Will Holepunch and Keet Make Money?
1:25:29 - The Lightning Round

E58: Alan Plus on Building LN+, Getting Liquidity, and Lightning Network Adoption
Alan Plus is the founder and CEO of Lightning Network+, a marketplace for getting inbound and outbound liquidity by participating in channel swaps.
In our talk, Alan and I spoke about why he built LN+, how the platform works, and their business model, competition, and network effects on Lightning more broadly.
→ LN+: https://lightningnetwork.plus/
Sponsors
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→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:10 - Alan Plus Intro
7:33 - How Do Liquidity Swaps Work?
18:30 - Filtering Nodes In Channel Swaps
22:54 - Competition Among LN Liquidity Marketplaces
28:24 - The Business Model for LN+
33:52 - Privacy on the Lightning Network
40:29 - What Is Slowing Down Lightning Network Adoption?
51:50 - Roadmap for LN+
53:20 - Alan Plus’ Favorite Lightning Apps
1:00:45 - The Lightning Round

E57: Christian Decker on Blockstream, Greenlight, Lightning Scalability, and More
Christian Decker is a researcher at Blockstream who has been involved in Bitcoin since 2009, and even did his Ph.D dissertation on Bitcoin.
In our talk, Christian and I spoke about Blockstream and their Lightning project called Greenlight, we discussed Lightning scalability, and we even got into things like channel factories, liquidity ads, peerswap, and more.
→ Blockstream: https://blockstream.com/
Sponsors
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→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links
→ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kerooke
→ Books: https://www.kevinrooke.com/book-recommendations
→ Blog: https://www.kevinrooke.com/blog
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:59 - Christian Decker Intro
10:31 - Lightning & Liquid as Experimentation Platforms for Bitcoin
17:58 - Cooperation Between Lightning Implementations
25:36 - Blockstream Greenlight
40:13 - Blockstream’s Satellite
44:05 - The Limits of Lightning Scalability
48:50 - Multi-Party Channels & Channel Factories
58:07 - Can Routing Node Operators Keep LN Channels Open Forever?
1:02:32 - Peerswap & Liquidity Ads
1:16:30 - The Lightning Round

E56: Gigi on Internet Business Models, Value 4 Value, and Freedom in an Information Age
Gigi is a pseudonymous Bitcoin developer and author and is full of compelling ideas about Bitcoin and the Lightning Network.
In our talk, Gigi explained how ad-funded business models on the internet are broken, how value for value can offer a solution, and his views on paywalls, micro-payments, and freedom in the information age.
→ Gigi on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dergigi
→ The Freedom of Value: https://dergigi.com/2021/12/30/the-freedom-of-value/
→ Human B | Bitcoin Documentary: https://vimeo.com/658711759
Sponsors
→ Voltage: https://voltage.cloud?utm_source=kevinrooke&utm_medium=Youtube&utm_campaign=1mo
→ ZEBEDEE: https://zeb.gg/rooke
Before every show, I ask listeners on Twitter to send in their best questions for future guests. I read off all the questions for the guest, and pick one listener to receive a split of the sats earned for the episode.
To ask a question, send a message, or to support the show, download Fountain from the App Store and load your wallet with a few sats.
→ Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/
→ More Episodes: https://play.fountain.fm/show/P6XXuSPg6f2rj4ECB0fT
→ Lightning Address: ⚡kerooke@fountain.fm
Links