
Foreign, Domestic & Forbidden
By Joaquin Lobo and Tim Trash

Foreign, Domestic & ForbiddenSep 21, 2023

Reading Dostoevsky at the Dinner Table -- a conversation with director, critic, and writer John Wilkins
In this episode, Lobo, Trash, and guest John Wilkins take on the controversy surrounding Oliver Anthony's son "Rich Men North of Richmond," discuss social and political implications, and ponder the question why things go viral.

Opening the Darkness -- a conversation with Mauricio Montiel Figueiras
This week, Lobo and Trash invite Mauricio Montiel Figueiras into the dark shadows and recesses of our world to discuss the occult in fiction, film, popular culture, and politics. Is there an Upside Down? And what will you find there?
Mary Stuart (1934), by Stefan Zweig.
The Quiet Girl (2022), directed by Colm Bairéad, based on the novella Foster by Claire Keegan.
The Crowded Room (2023), starring Tom Holland and Amanda Seyfried.

When Hammett Met Shelley -- a conversation with Gillian Conoley and Domenic Stansberry
This week, Lobo and Trash welcome poet Gillian Conoley and crime writer Domenic Stansberry in the studio. Together they talk about writing habits, politics in literature, San Francisco's North Beach area, and of course they brought recommendations.

New York State of Mind -- a conversation with writer and translator Guillermo Manning
This week Lobo is back from a trip to NYC, and he and Trash have invited Guillermo Manning to talk about the city in literature, film, and beyond. Immigration, Noir, or Horror -- we're in a New York state of mind.
The Bridge: To Brooklyn Bridge -- Hart Crane
Black Mirror -- all those early episodes
Mariana Enriquez -- Our Share of Night

If You Want to Do It, You Do It Every Day -- a conversation with artist Richard Lang
This week, Tim is talking to artist Richard Lang about his work with plastic he has been collecting on Kehoe Beach for twenty-five years. Together they chat about how trash has changed over the years, the thrill of finding specific objects, and Richard's new show (with Judith Selby Lang) at Ft. Mason's Guard House. And don't miss the poetry jukebox!
Richard Lang and Judith Selby Lang
Fort Mason Guard House Exhibition and more here
Harold Morowitz -- The Emergence of Everything

You Never Get to the Bottom of a Word -- a conversation with poet and translator Denise Newman
After a brief break, Lobo and Trash are back in the studio and welcoming poet and translator Denise Newman. They discuss how poetry can change our perception of an ever-crazier world, or provide solace when things get too heavy. And as Bard might put it, they talk about how literature is "a way to explore the human condition, challenge our assumptions, and make us laugh (at ourselves)."
Tractatus Philosophico-Poeticus by Signe Gjessing
Journey to Mt Tamalpais by Etel Adnan

Looking for adventure in whatever comes our way -- adventure novels new and old
It's summer and time to dust off the adventure genre. From Morte D'Arthur and Don Quixote to King Solomon's Mones and The Hunger Games, Lobo and Trash take on jungles, death, and destruction to see what adventures we seek and why.
FDF recommendations:

Centuries of Literary Scandals -- a conversation with author Jonas Rocket
This week, Jonas Rocket is back in the booth and together with Lobo and Trash he revisits some of the most extraordinary literary scandals of the past. Strap in for an hour of new and old gossip!
FDF Recommendations:
Liberation Day, George Saunders
White Cat, Black Dog, Kelly Link
Night of the Living Rez, Morgan Talty
Dean Koontz -- Odd Thomas
Other Lives -- Tamer Animals

Stories to Enjoy Before Leaving the Planet -- recommendation, recommendations, recommendations
This week, Lobo and Trash explore a tantalizing variety of stories, from the foreign and exotic, to the domestic and familiar, to the forbidden and taboo. So buckle up and get ready for a wild ride — we’ll take you on a journey through the fascinating and sometimes unexpected worlds of fiction and literature! (Thanks, ChatGTP)
Carmen Maria Machado -- The Husband Stitch
Aimee Bender -- The Girl in the Flammable Skirt
Jorge Luis Borges -- Death and the Compass

Never Lost in Translation -- a conversation with writer, editor, and translator Elisa Wouk Almino
This week, Elisa Wouk Almino joins Lobo and Trash and talks about her experience as a Brazilian who has lived outside of Brazil most of her life; about living in LA; her work as a writer, editor, and translator; and about teaching translation. You can follow her on Instagram at @ewoukalmino
Also, if you have questions for us, please email us at trashandlobo@gmail.com. We might do a Q&A episode in the near future.

An Act of God or an Act of the Devil -- a conversation with Mauricio Montiel Figueiras
Writer Mauricio Montiel Figueiras is back in the studio, and an episode that we thought would focus on movies turns into a chat about death, life, Lucifer, and other things that seem outrageous, dangerous, and beautiful. And we still talk a lot about movies.

Of Bodies and Minds -- a conversation about the many ways we feel and think
This week, Lobo and Trash dive into the wonderland of literature dealing with afflictions of the body and the mind. From Madame Bovary to Jenny Odell, and from Andrew Solomon to Lucy Grealy, they travel through pain, insights, perpetual orgies, revelations, and identity politics.
The perpetual orgy: Flaubert and Madame Bovary
Madame Bovary, Gustave Flaubert
Lucy Grealy, Autobiography of a Face
Andrew Solomon, The Noonday Demon
Andrew Solomon, Anatomy of Melancholy
Heather Sellers, You Don't Look Like Anyone I Know

This Pain or That? -- a conversation about the many ways we (make ourselves) suffer
This week, Lobo and Trash talk about physical pain vs. moral pain? Which of the two is tougher and how do we overcome them (if at all)? Trash is turning old and Lobo is sporting the new official FDF hat, and of course, they have time for some recommendations.

How AI exposes our blandness -- a conversation with author Meg Howrey
Author, dancer, and actress Meg Howrey stops by for a visit and talks about her new book "They're Going to Love You," the mysterious Blythe doll, and what AI might be good for in literature. And, of course, the three share recommendations!
Francesco Tristano Especially his album On Early Music

Of Plumbers and Dentists -- who gets to narrate novels?
This week, Lobo and Trash talk about narrators, who they are, why they are what they are, and what they would like to read less and more of.

The Stories My Grandmother Told Me -- a conversation with writer Liliana Blum
This week, short story writer and novelist Liliana Blum is visiting and talks to Lobo and Trash about first loves, second first loves, and many more loves and obsessions. And, after a brief absence, the FDF list of recommendations makes a return.
Charles Robert Maturin -- Melmoth the Wanderer
Edmondo de Amicis -- Constantinople
Enid Blyton -- St. Clare's

Pinocchio, William Gibson, and World Peace -- what we loved in 2022 and hope to see in 2023
Writer and friend of the pod Naief Yehya returns to the studio and together with Lobo and Trash discusses the best books and movies of 2022 and the collabs, discoveries, and developments they wish to see in the new year.
Louis-Ferdinand Celine -- Guerre
Pola Oloixarac -- Dark Constellations
David Cronenberg -- Crimes of the Future
Pinocchio by Guillermo del Toro
Bardo by Alejandro G. Iñárritu

GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL -- the episode about football (we won't call it soccer)
The ball is round, the world and gods are too, and so we give in to our sporty instincts and talk about football, Qatar, sports fiction, and when you listen to this, one of the hosts will be on his way to watch the finals live. Happy Holidays to all our listeners!!!!
Pablo Alabarces -- Fútbol y patria: El fútbol y las narrativas de la nación en la Argentina
GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S PINOCCHIO
Robert Coover -- Whatever Happened to Gloomy Gus of the Chicago Bears?

Merry Anniversary -- Reminiscing (a little) and recommending (a lot) as FDF turns one.
This week is super special, because Lobo and Trash celebrate FDF's one-year anniversary! And to kick off the holidays, they recommend everything from pens to notebooks, and from cars to airlines. And of course they digress a lot! Love to everyone!

The Thing That You Did Not Become -- a conversation with filmmaker and writer Andrew J. Smith
This week, Lobo and Trash welcome Andrew J. Smith to talk about literary crushes, lives and careers pursued and abandoned, wearing black, and growing out of (some) obsessions. And, of course, they have some recommendations.
WINTER IN THE BLOOD-- via Kanopy, Amazon, or Kino Live
WALKING OUT-- via Amazon, Vudu, and IFC Unlimited
UNDER THE VOLCANO by Malcolm Lowry
The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz
death every afternoon (by Andre Bazin)
Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship

A Halloween Special with Jessica Anthony and Jane Dykema
Ready for four spooky stories? Returning guests Jane Dykema and Jessica Anthony join Lobo and Trash to tell real-life scary tales! Join them for an hour of very natural and supernatural horror.

Digressions and Delusions -- an episode that is all about making sense
This week, Lobo and Trash take a look at their reading lists, reading habits, at old treasures and new releases, and at teaching the apocalypse. And they have a long list of reading recommendations!!!
Orhan Pamuk: The naive and the sentimental novelist
Laszlo Krasznahorkai: Destruction and sorrow beneath the heavens. Reportage
Seanan Mcguire: The Myth of Rain

A Way of Living Ahead of Time -- a conversation with Naief Yehya
Fiction writer, essayist, and journalist, Naief Yehya joins Lobo and trash for a conversation about nostalgia, mix-tapes, marketing, vintage modes of consumption, cyborgs, AI, sentient computers, drones, pornography, and the supernatural. Welcome to the old future, the new future, and our strange spot in-between the two!
Mark Fisher -- The Weird and the Eerie

I'd seen a ghost, but the ghost was me -- a conversation with Eric B. Martin
This week Lobo and Trash welcome novelist Eric B. Martin to the show and talk about coming back, coming home, revisiting the past, jumping on and off trains, experiencing cities by bike, and trying to make do with as little space as possible. And as always, they make lots of recommendations.
Octavio Paz -- The Labyrinth of Solitude
Joan Didion -- Goodbye to All That
Kazuo Ishiguro -- Klara and the Sun

The Way You Feel When You're Drinking Too Many Nights in a Row
This week, Lobo and Trash talk to author Jane Dykema about K-Dramas and grieving, romance and genre writing and reading, having a baby during the pandemic, and personal mind-loops. And of course, the three are recommending things to read, watch, and eat! (If you hit the Wonstein link, you can get a crash course in K-drama romance).

The Future Is Not What It Used to Be -- a conversation about a bit of everything
It's Episode 20, and Lobo and Trash take the opportunity to talk about secret colonies, watches, NPR, podcasting, climate change, authoritarian regimes, enforcing age limits, and, of course, the future.
Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter

I'd Like to Start to Have Some Dinner Parties -- a conversation with author Jasmin Darznik
This week it's all about Bohemia and Bohemians. Iranian-born writer Jasmin Darznik talks with Lobo and Trash about her latest book and where and how to find one's own wilderness.
Ambrose Bierce -- The Devil's Dictionary
Jasmin Darznik -- The Bohemians

One person's apocalypse is another person's Switzerland -- a conversation with author David Lida
A meeting in Mexico City went bust, but after delays caused by travel, Covid, and food poisoning, Lobo and Trash finally welcome David Lida to the show and the three talk about cities of the apocalypse, writing in a foreign language, and the joys of living in crowded places.

nobody, not even the rain -- an episode that is all about love
Lobo and Trash record this episode before Joaquin takes off for Mexico City, and they talk about love in literature. From Octavio Paz to Julien Gracq, and from Wim Wenders to an insistent postman, they cross continents and centuries to bring you love!
Graham Greene -- The End of the Affair
James Cain -- The Postman Always Rings Twice
Julien Gracq -- Balcony in the Forest
Wim Wenders -- Wings of Desire
John Fowles -- The French Lieutenant's Woman
Jeanette Winterson -- The Passion
Stephanie Vaughn -- "Dog Heaven" (in Sweet Talk)
E. E. Cummings -- somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
Pablo Neruda -- Twenty Love Poems and a Song of Despair
The Bear (TV)
Eye of the Devil (Movie)

Don't Touch That Wallpaper! or Books We Don't Read -- a discussion with Jason Ockert
With today's guest Jason Ockert, Lobo and Trash discuss the books they won't touch and why. From deadly wallpaper to inscrutable classics, and from gratuitous violence to too-long tomes, they dive into what makes a book unreadable.
1. Shadows from the Walls of Death documentary: https://vimeo.com/525589368
2. Weird Short Stories for Strange Times: https://lithub.com/weird-short-story-writers-for-strange-times/
3. Friday Black by Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah: https://www.amazon.com/Friday-Black-Kwame-Adjei-Brenyah-author/dp/1787476014/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1656079529&sr=1-1
4. White Dancing Elephants by Chaya Bhuvaneswar: https://www.amazon.com/White-Dancing-Elephants-Chaya-Bhuvaneswar/dp/1945814616
5. Lesser Known Monsters of the 21st Century by Kim Fu: https://www.amazon.com/Lesser-Known-Monsters-21st-Century/dp/1951142993
Pedro Páramo by Juan Rulfo:
To Live by Yu Hua:
To Live, film adaptation directed by Zhang Yimou:
Things we lost in the fire, by Mariana Enriquez:
Wallander

I’m Now Nostalgic For That Film -- Movie Adaptations of Literary Works
Lobo and Trash almost meet in person but then Covid nixes their plan. Over coffee, they talk about adaptations of short stories, novels, and plays, and why they work (and why not). From Murakami to Ibsen and from Cortazar to Wilson, they dive into their favorite film versions.
Fences (Film) -- https://g.co/kgs/63CwZ6
Play by August Wilson -- https://g.co/kgs/PcJjGC
Ensayo de un crimen, by Rodolfo Usigli (out of print) -- https://www.amazon.com/Ensayo-crimen-Spanish-Rodolfo-Usigli/dp/9708105511/ref=sr_1_19?crid=2KP0WVRTS39TL&keywords=rodolfo+usigli&qid=1655421159&s=books&sprefix=rodolfo+usigli%2Cstripbooks%2C219&sr=1-19
The criminal life of Archibaldo de la Cruz, directed by Luis Buñuel -- https://g.co/kgs/n6MAS5
The unbearable lightness of being, by Milan Kundera -- https://www.amazon.com/Unbearable-Lightness-Being-Perennial-Classics/dp/0061148520
Film adaptation by Philip Kauffman -- https://g.co/kgs/45PCba
Burning (Film) -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_(2018_film)
Barn Burning (Haruki Murakami) -- https://www.mrflamm.com/uploads/2/2/0/0/2200902/barnburningbyharukimurakami.pdf
Blow-Up (Antonioni) -- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060176/
Blow-Up (Cortazar) -- https://www.amazon.com/Blow-Up-Other-Stories-Julio-Cortazar/dp/0394728815
Blue Water, White Death (Movie)
Blue Meridian (Peter Mathiessen)

To Be a Young, Radical Poet -- The Books of Summer!
Lobo and Trash pick their books for the plane, the train, the beach, and the cocktail lounge. They discuss the future of the adventure book, the fate of the road novel, and mourn the loss of a certain decade in Mexico City.
Edgar Allen Poe -- The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket
Jules Verne -- The Sphinx of the Ice Fields
Robert Olmstead -- America by Land
Vladimir Sorokin -- Ice Trology
Roberto Bolano -- The Savage Detectives
FDF List
David Cronenberg -- Crimes of the Future

Cooking and Writing
It's summer, which means it's time for family gatherings, garden parties, and outside dinners, so this week, Lobo and Trash talk about cooking and how it relates to and reflects on writing. And they detour into bad ideas, bad writing, stacks of unpublished novels, and gender politics. As always, they have some cool recommendations!

Something New Will Be Built -- a conversation with Jeff Parker
This episode almost didn't happen because on the day of the recording, Joaquin's house was broken into. He and Tim talk with author, translator, and editor Jeff Parker about Ukrainian literature, travels through Russia, and the need to find your own language. And as always, they have recommendations!
Where Bears Roam the Streets -- Jeff Parker
The Book of Disquiet -- Fernando Pessoa
Pessoa: A Biography -- Richard Zenith
Your Ad Could Go Here -- Oksana Zabuzhco

Guilty Pleasures
Lobo and Trash come together to talk about the things they like too much for their own good! They discuss the different kinds of guilt they feel when indulging in certain foods, books, and movies, and they express their love for certain drinks. If you'd like to send us your guilty pleasure, you can do so at trashandlobo@gmail.com
Breat Easton Ellis -- The Informers

We Write With Such Despair Sometimes
Lobo and Trash welcome writer Aimee Phan this week. The three talk about Asian Americans making their voices heard, the refugee crisis in Ukraine and beyond, the non-visual thrill of books, naked faces at the tail end (?) of the pandemic, being mortal, and defying death through writing.
Michelle Yeoh -- Everything Everywhere All at Once
Viet Thanh Nguyen -- The Sympathizer
Elena Ferrante -- Neapolitan Novels
FDF List -- Try at your own risk
Ahmed Saadawi -- Frankenstein in Baghdad
Shahad Al Rawi -- The Baghdad Clock

Enter Jessica Anthony!
Lobo and Trash welcome author Jessica Anthony (The Convalescent, Enter the Aardvark) to discuss who is allowed to write what, the hot topic of autofiction, writing what you want to find out about, writing during the pandemic, and much more!
T. C. Boyle, The Tortilla Curtain
Karl Ove Knausgaard, My Struggle
Zadie Smith, "Fascinated to Presume"
Jeanine Cummins, American Dirt
FDF Recommendations:
V. S. Naipaul, The Enigma of Arrival
Drive my Car (based on Haruki Murakami's story of the same name)
Ai Weiwei, 1000 Years of Joys and Sorrows
In'n Out & Krispy Kreme

War and Fiction
Lobo and Trash lock themselves in a hotel room in Northern California to record this episode. They talk about the war in Ukraine, and what we can learn (or not) from fiction about the suffering fighting inflicts on people, from Hemingway to Elie Wiesel, from Remarque to Bolano and Jennifer Clement. What place does writing occupy in a world that is under attack by strongmen and autocrats?
FDF recommendations:

A Trip to Helsinki!
Best-selling author Antti Tuomainen joins us for a conversation about poetry, Finnish customs, Nordic Noir, dialects, what it's like to executive produce a movie, and about mushrooms and mathematics! And as always, we have our FDF -- Try at Your Own Risk recommendations!

Beards!!!
Tim and Joaquin are sporting facial hair and muse about masculinity, masculine writers, masculine books and what "masculine" might even mean in 2022. As always, you can reach us at trashandlobo@gmail.com or you can follow us on Instagram @foreigndomesticforbidden
Graham Greene -- The End of the Affair
Henry Miller -- Tropic of Cancer

Fiction to the Rescue
This week, Lobo and Trash welcome best-selling author and former PEN-International President Jennifer Clement to chat about the state of fiction, how books can influence society, and what it takes to bring about change. Please join us to listen to her talk about her research, her books, and the movie adaptation of Prayers for the Stolen.
Show Notes:

Books that Changed and Saved Our Lives
This week, Lobo and Trash welcome their first very special guest, the Mexican poet, novelist, and essayist Mauricio Montiel Figueiras. Together they talk about memories of 2021, the MFA debate, and about the books that have influenced their writing and helped them navigate difficult stretches in their lives.
THE NEW YORK TRILOGY by Paul Auster; VERTIGO by W. G. Sebald; WHY READ THE CLASSICS? by Italo Calvino; END OF THE GAME AND OTHER STORIES by Julio Cortàzar; BASED ON A TRUE STORY by Delphine de Vigan; Pola Oloixarac; WINESBURG, OHIO by Sherwood Anderson; A GOOD WOMAN by Louis Bromfield; A MOVEABLE FEAST by Ernest Hemingway; I LOVE DICK by Chris Kraus
Marguerite Duras, THE LOVER; Milan Kundera, THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF BEING; Fernanda Trias, MUGRE ROSA
FDF-List of Recommendations
Restaurant: LA CAPITAL in Colonia Condesa, Mexico City
Movie: RED ROCKET (2021) by Sean Baker
Album: THE BOY FROM MICHIGAN (2021) by John Grant
TV: VINCENZO
Restaurant: THE CASINO, Bodega, CA
Album: Pink Turns Blue, IF TWO WORLDS KISS
Music: Daniel Barenboim and Jacqueline du Pre
TV: The Capture

The Things We Cannot Say
Happy New Year to all our listeners! It’s 2022, and Lobo and Trash discuss Gothic and erotic literature, the role literature plays in our lives, and the future of this planet. And they recommend some more items for the FDF list – try at your own risk!
Marquis de Sade https://www.amazon.com/Marquis-de-Sade/e/B004MPDPZG?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_2&qid=1640638993&sr=8-2
Theodore Dreiser, Sister Carrie https://www.amazon.com/Sister-Carrie-Theodore-becoming-actress/dp/1975828836
Catherine Millet – The Sexual Life of Catherine M. https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Life-Catherine-Serpents-Classics-ebook/dp/B008LRLVTI/ref=sr_1_2?crid=8PSNQ2HWSI4U&keywords=catherine+millet&qid=1640639055&s=digital-text&sprefix=catherine+millet%2Cdigital-text%2C119&sr=1-2
Exterminate All the Brutes -- https://www.hbo.com/exterminate-all-the-brutes
Hellbound -- https://www.netflix.com/title/81256675
Angeline’s Louisiana Kitchen -- https://angelineskitchen.com/index.html
Koronet Pizza -- https://www.koronetpizzany.com/
As always, you can reach us at trashandlobo@gmail.com

Dark Literature for the Dark Days of the Year
Just in time for the holidays, Lobo and Trash sort through some books that are best devoured during the time between the years. From dysfunctional families to wartime crimes, from black magic to immigrants vying to become American, and from matricide to composing poems in one’s head, they cover the dark literature best consumed in cozy environs and with the lights left burning. Happy Holidays to all listeners!
Ernesto Sabato, On Heroes and Tombs
Michel Foucault (ed.), I, Pierre Riviere, Having Slaughtered My Mother, My Sister, and My Brother…
Anzi Yezierska, Bread Givers
Otfried Preußler, Krabat
Jerzy Kosinski, The Painted Bird
Orhan Pamuk, Snow

Current and Rediscovered Books
In this inaugural episode, writers Joaquin Lobo and Tim Trash sit down to talk about the books they're reading and the ones they have recently rediscovered. They discuss the difficulties of dealing with past classics, of writing when the future certainly seems uncertain, and of reading when expectations turn apocalyptic.

Trailer
Trailer for the upcoming Foreign, Domestic, and Forbidden, a podcast about books and ideas with Joaquin Lobo and Tim Trash.