
Made The Same Way
By HDBI
Each episode challenges a new pair to collaborate on an original creative piece inspired by their conversation. You eavesdrop into the process and hear the final result. A collaborative project between Manchester production company Reform Radio and the Wellcome-funded Human Developmental Biology Initiative.

Made The Same WayMar 31, 2023

A human egg looks nothing like a human
“We speak of science as one thing, and it’s not. It’s many different things.” In this final episode, hip-hop artist Aubz meets Oxford University scientist Shankar. They’re chatting about everything we’ve learnt over this series. What is human developmental biology and why is it important? Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
This episode may include some discussion of abortion, miscarriage and infertility so please look after yourself - if that isn’t something you’d like to hear, maybe give this episode a miss. We’ve also included some support resources below - just in case.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website: www.hdbi.org
Support resources:
NHS Psychological Wellbeing Service – service to help people aged 17 and over who are experiencing common mental health problems. You do not need a diagnosis to access the service.
Samaritans – if you need someone to talk to, Samaritans listen without judgement or pressure
Mind – advice and support to empower anyone experiencing a mental health problem
Sane – emotional support, guidance and information to anyone affected by mental illness, including families, friends and carers
SupportLine – confidential telephone helpline offering emotional support to any individual on any issue
Young Minds – the UK’s leading charity fighting for young people’s mental health
Cruse – bereavement support
Relate – relationship support for everyone
Miscarriage Association – helpline and online support if you’ve been affected by miscarriage, molar pregnancy or ectopic pregnancy
British Pregnancy Advisory Service – advice and counselling related to pregnancy options and abortion (free to BPAS clients)
Antenatal Results and Choices helpline – ARC is a charity that helps parents and healthcare professionals through antenatal screening and its consequences
Sands – leading stillbirth and neonatal death charity in the UK, offering a variety of support including helplines, apps, online communities and support groups
Fertility Network UK – free and impartial support, advice, information and understanding for anyone affected by fertility issues. They offer a range of support including a support line, support group, and online communities.
Mental health crisis helplines
NHS 111 – for urgent medical problems when you’re not sure what to do.

Where’s the line, where’s the limit?
“What things can we consider to be right and wrong, and who makes that decision?.” Sociologist and writer Marieke meets Mancunian poet and rapper Meduulla. They discuss the ethics of research done with very early human embryos, donated to science by people who have had fertility treatment. Who decides what research is allowed? Where do we draw the line with science? And who should we involve in conversations about it? Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
This episode may include some discussion of infertility so please look after yourself - if that isn’t something you’d like to hear, maybe give this episode a miss. We’ve also included some support resources below - just in case.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website: www.hdbi.org
Support resources:
NHS Psychological Wellbeing Service – service to help people aged 17 and over who are experiencing common mental health problems. You do not need a diagnosis to access the service.
Samaritans – if you need someone to talk to, Samaritans listen without judgement or pressure
Mind – advice and support to empower anyone experiencing a mental health problem
Sane – emotional support, guidance and information to anyone affected by mental illness, including families, friends and carers
SupportLine – confidential telephone helpline offering emotional support to any individual on any issue
Young Minds – the UK’s leading charity fighting for young people’s mental health
Cruse – bereavement support
Relate – relationship support for everyone
Miscarriage Association – helpline and online support if you’ve been affected by miscarriage, molar pregnancy or ectopic pregnancy
British Pregnancy Advisory Service – advice and counselling related to pregnancy options and abortion (free to BPAS clients)
Antenatal Results and Choices helpline – ARC is a charity that helps parents and healthcare professionals through antenatal screening and its consequences
Sands – leading stillbirth and neonatal death charity in the UK, offering a variety of support including helplines, apps, online communities and support groups
Fertility Network UK – free and impartial support, advice, information and understanding for anyone affected by fertility issues. They offer a range of support including a support line, support group, and online communities.
Mental health crisis helplines
NHS 111 – for urgent medical problems when you’re not sure what to do.

The Brain: A Pattern of Wrinkles
“If we look at every single person’s brain, most of these wrinkles will be in the same place.” Spoken word artist Harmony meets brain development scientist Katie. They’re chatting about how the brain forms, its structure, and if our brains really can be affected by music. Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website: www.hdbi.org

Heart and Lung: A repetitive process of branching
“It’s amazing how there are options if someone is born premature.” Lung development specialist Lucia, meets performer Beth aka BABYFLXKCO. The pair are chatting about how our heart and lungs develop before we’re born, a subject very personal to Beth and her family. Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website.

Blood and Immunity: Our bodies are galaxies
“Right now…every second, your blood is making three million cells.” Stem cell researcher Emily meets Olivia, AKA rapper Freequency3. They’re uncovering how our blood and immune system develops before we're born. Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website.

DNA dancing like your parents in the kitchen
“A single cell can give rise to every cell in the body.” Scientist Mag meets rapper Zara. They’re on a journey to discover exactly what happens when the first cell divides after an egg is fertilised by a sperm, and why we need to understand this better. Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
This episode may include some discussion of miscarriage and infertility so please look after yourself - if that isn’t something you’d like to hear, maybe give this episode a miss. We’ve also included some support resources in the episode description.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website: www.hdbi.org
Support resources:
NHS Psychological Wellbeing Service – service to help people aged 17 and over who are experiencing common mental health problems. You do not need a diagnosis to access the service.
Samaritans – if you need someone to talk to, Samaritans listen without judgement or pressure
Mind – advice and support to empower anyone experiencing a mental health problem
Sane – emotional support, guidance and information to anyone affected by mental illness, including families, friends and carers
SupportLine – confidential telephone helpline offering emotional support to any individual on any issue
Young Minds – the UK’s leading charity fighting for young people’s mental health
Cruse – bereavement support
Relate – relationship support for everyone
Miscarriage Association – helpline and online support if you’ve been affected by miscarriage, molar pregnancy or ectopic pregnancy
British Pregnancy Advisory Service – advice and counselling related to pregnancy options and abortion (free to BPAS clients)
Antenatal Results and Choices helpline – ARC is a charity that helps parents and healthcare professionals through antenatal screening and its consequences
Sands – leading stillbirth and neonatal death charity in the UK, offering a variety of support including helplines, apps, online communities and support groups
Fertility Network UK – free and impartial support, advice, information and understanding for anyone affected by fertility issues. They offer a range of support including a support line, support group, and online communities.
Mental health crisis helplines
NHS 111 – for urgent medical problems when you’re not sure what to do.

History is always happening now
“Human embryology tells us all where we come from.” Science historian Nick meets poet Princess Ari. They’re exploring the fascinating history of human developmental biology. How has our knowledge of this science changed and how do we do things differently today? Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
This episode may include some discussion of abortion, miscarriage and infertility so please look after yourself - if that isn’t something you’d like to hear, maybe give this episode a miss. We’ve also included some support resources below - just in case.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website: www.hdbi.org
Support resources:
NHS Psychological Wellbeing Service – service to help people aged 17 and over who are experiencing common mental health problems. You do not need a diagnosis to access the service.
Samaritans – if you need someone to talk to, Samaritans listen without judgement or pressure
Mind – advice and support to empower anyone experiencing a mental health problem
Sane – emotional support, guidance and information to anyone affected by mental illness, including families, friends and carers
SupportLine – confidential telephone helpline offering emotional support to any individual on any issue
Young Minds – the UK’s leading charity fighting for young people’s mental health
Cruse – bereavement support
Relate – relationship support for everyone
Miscarriage Association – helpline and online support if you’ve been affected by miscarriage, molar pregnancy or ectopic pregnancy
British Pregnancy Advisory Service – advice and counselling related to pregnancy options and abortion (free to BPAS clients)
Antenatal Results and Choices helpline – ARC is a charity that helps parents and healthcare professionals through antenatal screening and its consequences
Sands – leading stillbirth and neonatal death charity in the UK, offering a variety of support including helplines, apps, online communities and support groups
Fertility Network UK – free and impartial support, advice, information and understanding for anyone affected by fertility issues. They offer a range of support including a support line, support group, and online communities.
Mental health crisis helplines
NHS 111 – for urgent medical problems when you’re not sure what to do.

What makes us human?
“Do you think that science can ever answer the question of what makes us human?” Scientist Emma meets singer-songwriter Karis to discuss the science of human development. They chat about the basics; what is human developmental biology? Why is it worth studying? And what will it be used for in the future?” Throughout the episode, the pair will write and record an original piece of music inspired by their meeting, exploring science in a brand new way.
This episode may include some discussion of abortion, miscarriage and infertility so please look after yourself - if that isn’t something you’d like to hear, maybe give this episode a miss. We’ve also included some support resources below - just in case.
Made the Same Way is a Reform Radio production for HDBI, the Human Developmental Biology Initiative, which is funded by Wellcome. It was produced by Olivia Swift, with help from Jamie Green.
For more on HDBI, check out our website.
Support resources:
NHS Psychological Wellbeing Service – service to help people aged 17 and over who are experiencing common mental health problems. You do not need a diagnosis to access the service.
Samaritans – if you need someone to talk to, Samaritans listen without judgement or pressure
Mind – advice and support to empower anyone experiencing a mental health problem
Sane – emotional support, guidance and information to anyone affected by mental illness, including families, friends and carers
SupportLine – confidential telephone helpline offering emotional support to any individual on any issue
Young Minds – the UK’s leading charity fighting for young people’s mental health
Cruse – bereavement support
Relate – relationship support for everyone
Miscarriage Association – helpline and online support if you’ve been affected by miscarriage, molar pregnancy or ectopic pregnancy
British Pregnancy Advisory Service – advice and counselling related to pregnancy options and abortion (free to BPAS clients)
Antenatal Results and Choices helpline – ARC is a charity that helps parents and healthcare professionals through antenatal screening and its consequences
Sands – leading stillbirth and neonatal death charity in the UK, offering a variety of support including helplines, apps, online communities and support groups
Fertility Network UK – free and impartial support, advice, information and understanding for anyone affected by fertility issues. They offer a range of support including a support line, support group, and online communities.
Mental health crisis helplines
NHS 111 – for urgent medical problems when you’re not sure what to do.

Welcome to Made The Same Way
Welcome to Made The Same Way.