
Man in Many Roles Podcast
By Michael Lovett

Man in Many Roles PodcastJul 01, 2022

Emma Fetherman: Listening To and Learning From Youth
I decided to ask for the perspective of younger folks in my spiritual community, and Emma Fetherman was glad to oblige. She is in her college years, and I was appreciative of several nuggets of wisdom she offered. This conversation proved to me that great things (and great conversations) happen when we show up for younger people with open ears and real questions. Listen in!
Emma's happy to connect if something she shares resonates with you: @emmaftmn
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Matt Anjilivelil: Inspired Living, & Reimagined Bible Studies as a Path to Christian Conversion
Matt is a follower of Jesus for over 36 years now, and has been married for over 25. He works with campus students and youth, and has a lot to say about how relational God is, and how that should affect the way we teach folks about God, and how we ourselves should relate well to God. Listen in for ideas and inspiration in your personal life, parenting, and bible studies with others.
Download Matt's Drawing Near to God Series at: https://tinyurl.com/drawingneartogod
Matt highly recommends Surrender to Love by David G Brenner.
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Why Sabbath?
This April riff may become a series. Why should we stop, rest, or sabbath? Whatever you might call it or know it to be, I have found it is one of the most rewarding and (currently) difficult habits to form. "Easy everywhere" technology as described by Andy Crouch actually runs huge interference on the practice of stopping. We need lots of motivation to overcome what is coming against our rest.
Today's episode is all about 10 reasons I think you should stop and seriously consider stopping what you are doing for 24 hours a week. I hope you find it helpful. Let's get our rest on!
Consider some of the resources I mention in this episode...
John Mark Comer's The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry
and Rich Villodas' The Deeply Formed Life
and The BEMA Podcast
...for more Sabbath inspiration.
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Why Counseling?
A spring riff on why we need counseling at times in our life based on a very helpful quote my wife and I were talking about recently: "We go to counseling to understand issues and wounds so that we can repent and forgive" Mark Priday, Counselor.
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Pat Lin Hachiya, Part 2: Chinese American Woman, Christian, Mom, and Widow in Many Roles
In this second part of two, Women's History Month continues on the podcast. We get the pleasure of witnessing a courageous woman sharing her vulnerable story of life as a woman, Christian, Mom, and Widow. Pat Lin Hachiya is a sister in Christ, a friend, a public servant who's worked over 20 years in Los Angeles County and who has followed Jesus for more than 30 years. She is a precious soul, who is sharing her story of losing her husband Scott 7 years ago, what it was like to lose her husband, Scott, and how she is striving to live well now. In this second part, she speaks about life as a widow in a spiritual community who is still growing and learning how to support one another in loss. This episode wraps Women's History Month, 2022. Thanks for listening! Look back at earlier episodes for more learning from the lives and stories of women. In this episode, Pat refers to the book, The Best Yes, By Lysa TerKeurst.
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Pat Lin Hachiya, Part 1: Chinese American Woman, Christian, Mom, and Widow in Many Roles
In this first part of two, Women's History Month continues on the podcast. We get the pleasure of witnessing a courageous woman sharing her vulnerable story of life as a woman, Christian, Mom, and Widow. Pat Lin Hachiya is a sister in Christ, a friend, a public servant who's worked over 20 years in Los Angeles County and who has followed Jesus for more than 30 years. She is a precious soul, who is sharing her story of losing her husband Scott 7 years ago, what it was like to lose her husband, Scott, and how she is striving to live well now. In this first part, she speaks about life as a Chinese-American woman, a Christian, and as a widow. Pat refers to the book, Getting to the Other Side of Grief
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Wendi Gorelik, Part 2: How To Keep Moving Forward When We Are All Homesick for Heaven
Here’s part two of a conversation I really enjoyed with Wendi Gorelik. She is a great friend and sister in Christ. She is devoted to making the world a more equitable place, and she loves teaching. She keeps Women's History Month 2022 going with a deep dive into her roles as a woman, mom, wife, and teacher in higher education. Be sure to tune in to the previous episode to hear part one of this powerful conversation.
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Wendi Gorelik, Part 1: How To Keep Moving Forward When We Are All Homesick for Heaven
Wendi Gorelik is a great friend and sister in Christ. She is devoted to making the world a more equitable place, and she loves teaching. She keeps Women's History Month 2022 going with a deep dive into her roles as a woman, mom, wife, and teacher in higher education.
I'm splitting this episode into two parts so we can take it all in... there is much to consider here.
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Mirna Cervantes: The Power of Counseling and Practices Promoting Health (Women's History Month)
"It's through the pain and challenges that we've been able to find joy and healing." Mirna Cervantes is simply a beautiful soul who works tirelessly as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Los Angeles. She is also a mom, a professional, and a devoted follower of Jesus. Mirna is a great friend and the top recommendation of for Women's History Month 2022. She and her husband have kept doing the hard work of counseling and looking at their wounds. She is finding that each season of pain and "heart work" sets us up for the next challenge, and deeply grounds us in God, friends, and truth.
Mirna's "Daily Practices That Help Ground Me": https://bit.ly/3HMS66d
PDF of "Taking in the Good" by Rick Hanson, referred to in this episode: https://bit.ly/3674C36
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Eric Golden: Respect and Detaching from Unconscious Reasons We Do Things (Black History Month)
This conversation with Eric Golden, facilitator and Social-Emotional coach, was a gem. He is a black man, a father, and a professional facilitator, among his many roles. He shares so many compelling ideas about respecting our children as we raise them, control, boundaries, and how to do the hard work of deconstructing stories and roles we were born into. I hope you value this podcast as much as I enjoyed recording it... whew!
This episode wraps up Black History Month 2022.
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Audrey Blair: Diversity, Life Coaching and Transitioning... and Discomfort (Black History Month)
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Traecy Iftodi: Self, Sister, Mother, Divorcée, and African-American Bilingual Educator in Many Roles (Black History Month)
Black History Month 2022 continues with Traecy Iftodi. She is a bright soul, an educator I respect and have worked with, and a sister in Christ. She was eager and gracious to share her story of returning to work in the aftermath of divorce, and reflections on how to support our loved ones and colleagues who might be experiencing divorce. She unpacks a lot in this episode as she drops multiple "nuggets" of wisdom are along the way.
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Tino Seya: Finding Balance Through Identity and Intentionality (Black History Month)
BHM 2022 Kicks off with Tino Seya. He is an old friend with a young, vivacious heart--for God and for life, and for others. Listen in as he riffs on balance, the state of things in the USA, his uniqueness, and the concept of embracing whatever might be going on as we walk with God.
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Dimitri Clarke Interviews Michael Lovett: Hearing Impaired, but Loving Listening
Dimitri has been a source of great joy in my life as I have woken up to how my brothers and sisters of color feel as they move through an unfair world. We served on the Denver Diversity Exploration Team for a couple of years, where we began enjoying fellowship in which we can discuss nearly anything. Dimitri set this time up, though, to interview me... about being hearing impaired and how that has affected my life. I so enjoyed "flipping the script" and letting her lead for an episode. We realized how wonderful it is when we express mutual curiosity. Listen in!
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Hashim Warren: Justice Year, Service, Charity, Friendship, Advocacy
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Vince Vogel: Husband & Father in a Blended Family
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Jeff Shockley: God of Heaven and Earth...How the Book Began
Jeff Shockley is a husband and a dad in a blended family. He is a follower of Jesus, and a good friend. He works to love his daughters well, and from loving his youngest (and her friends), a lovely book emerged! Listen to the story behind his new book, Creator of Heaven and Earth which grew out of discussing honest questions with his teenage daughter.
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Saara Haapenen: Move at Work, and Moving from Disappointment to Renewed Vision
So long, 2021, Happy 2022! As we move into 2022 it's my pleasure to share my conversation with Saara Haapenen with you. She greets hundreds of folks every morning with her Move at Work Challenge, in the form of a 5-7 minute video that gets you moving, practicing mindfulness, and simply taking time to take care of yourself. I enjoy her content, offered as part of my job's wellness efforts. I was thrilled she agreed to come on the podcast to share more about how she lives well, the power of asking WHY, and some of the challenges she overcame as a high-caliber diver. This is a great goal setting or New Year listen!
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Paul Nagakura: Friend, Brother, and Husband as Advocate

Dr. Tim Sumerlin: "Church is a great place to practice good mental health"
Tim is the director of In Motion Counseling, which includes the Disciples In Motion, an innovative recovery program for the church setting, and The Grief Journey Program. He has authored two books, Recovery Moving Forward and The Grief Journey: Finding Peace in All of Life’s Losses. He's also a soul who loves Jesus very much, and feels strongly that the church is a great place to practice good mental health. Listen in to his experience and consider stimulating categories to reflect on as we move out of 2021 and into 2022 like sabbath, presence, “holding the moment”, and what you might learn from 2 year olds.
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inmotioncounseling.org
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Joe Hose: From Prisons to Skate Parks
Joe Hose is a Son, Brother, Husband, Father, Follower of Jesus, Leader of Professional Learning with the Federal Government, and Leader/Founder of the Colorado Skateboard Society. He entered education in 2010 following the 2008 housing crash, and found himself in prison... as an educator. After working day to day in a prison, he got to move to Colorado in 2015 to work in "secondary law enforcement" and that's where he and I connected over many early coffees about all things coaching and learning. He covers a lot of ground in his story and offers a great deal of vulnerability. He's a fellow coach, professional learning nerd, and a man who knows his life purpose (he actually carried his life purpose, written, in his pocket during a recent long tough stretch at work). His story is compelling and I hope you are as "stoked" to receive it as I was.
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Leo Gonzalez: Calm, Leadership, and Time-outs as a Self & Husband
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Jackie Brewster: Enneagram, Christianity, and Life
How do you connect the enneagram and Christianity? Jackie Brewster is an enneagram coach who does just that, supporting folks in living better in all their roles. Jackie is a woman in many roles: wife, mom, leader, and Jesus follower. She is the author of Hearing God Speak: A 52-Week Enneagram Devotional and in this episode, she shares how she went from no kids to four kids, got into the enneagram, and learned to help others with it. She even shares some of her story that she's never recorded before.
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Trey Morgan of Trey and Lea's Stronger Marriages
Trey & Lea speak to thousands of couples every year at their marriage workshops. They are authors of the books, 10 Ways to a Stronger Marriage, and, Wisdom for Your Marriage
Trey loves to talk about manhood, marriage, and parenting and is simply a joy to listen to. Enjoy and share this episode with your friends.
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Carlos Clarke: How to Age Well
Carlos Clarke is a Three-Time Champion Weightlifter and a 45+ year follower of Jesus. Now in his 60s he shares a bit about how to live well, protect your vision, and avoid becoming a grumpy old person. HERE is a video of his recent championship lift!
He references a couple of "oldies but goodies" for reading:
More Than a Carpenter, by Josh McDowell
The Disciplined Life, by Richard Taylor
Basic Christianity, by J.W. Stott
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DJ Hapa: Remixing Roles
Loved this episode, produced by my buddy and former podcast guest, Devon Smith, whose Man in Many Roles episode is HERE.
DJ Hapa is a dad, DJ, husband, son, and Jesus follower. He has taught thousands of people how to DJ. Thousands. He is the creator of "A Tribe Called Dad" podcast, and a great man to strike up a friendship or conversation with. His life slogan is, "Follow your heart. Lead with passion" Listen in for inspiration to live with more passion.
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Tim Priestley: "Our roles are a divine way to help us grow"
Season 10 (and Year 2!) of Man in Many Roles Podcast kicks off with a beautiful interview with my longtime friend and brother in Christ, Tim Priestley. He is candid and clear about how he makes sense of his roles, and how our roles deepen our spirituality as we pick up and lay down roles. He shares vulnerably about his divorce after 18 years of marriage and how he had to stop going to "Hope Island" habitually in order to grow.
Tim mentions a couple of resources and books that help him:
Fathered by God, by John Eldredge
Grist for the Mill, by Ram Dass
Everything Belongs, by Richard Rohr
Sacred Marriage: What if God Wants To Make Us Holy More than to Make us Happy?, by Gary Thomas
Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life, by Richard Rohr
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Seeking Sages | Episode 50!
God, protect us from folly and dismissal as we enter our late 60s and beyond. Father, please protect us from the ill effects of success and safety. Help us to engage solitude, stillness, and silence so that we become sages--men and women who live out of a deep communion with you.
Also, I reference silence, solitude, and stillness. I think those 3 S-words will help us become the sages God intends as well as avoid unhealthy success and safety.
Let's keep living well as one soul in many roles!
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Literal, Linear, Monotasking, Easily Distractible: How to Parent Boys with Sanity
Check out the blog this episode is based on, there are great resources there. Thanks again for tuning in!
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Doing Things Right vs. Doing Right Things
Based on the feedback I've been getting and self-reflection, in this episode, I riff on the beliefs, attitudes, and habits of doing things right versus doing the right things.. oof... This work takes courage, and I'm not there yet, but I am glad to have you join me on this one as I try to share personally and preach to myself. I believe there is plenty in this episode to grow in and think about.
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We're All Husbands and Wives
I explore how Paul operated as a mother among his converts, and how men and women live in both husband and wife roles when in a committed relationship--dating, friendship, and of course, marriage.
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Investing 101: It's Not About Money
We all trust others with valuable things and we all hope that we get a return of some sort on that which we have entrusted. We also invest in ourselves, too. It's about making sound investments and being patient as the valuable things we have invested do work in the vest pocket of the one in whom or in which we've in"vest"ed.
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To Be a Son | Late Summer Riff
I decided to riff on the role of son/ daughter/ child; a role that is at times a source of great pride and gratitude, and at other times, makes me feel accused of dereliction of duty. When you think about it, there are many more podcasts about how to be a dad than how to be a son. Why is that? Well, hopefully, this episode stimulates your thinking, heart, and actions toward all that is good, true and beautiful about being a son, daughter, or child of God.
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Vision for the Future and Muddy Windshields
What does this episode's title stir in you? I wasn't initially excited to riff on this topic, but as I thought and prayed about it, this seemed more and more worthy of consideration: What is the mud on your windshield? What is messing up your vision, hope, and/or desire for the future? How do you clear the mud to see your vision more clearly? Listen, enjoy, subscribe, and share... That's what this podcast is about!
The quote at the beginning of this episode can be found here: https://wildatheart.org/daily-reading/we-can-only-hope-what-we-desire
Randy Alcorn's book, Heaven is a highly recommended read and I refer to it in the podcast.
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How to Apologize, Part 2
Life presented a great lesson for us all in my home recently as I worked with my son to help him understand how to apologize. Then I realized there was something in the experience for all of us. I hope you find the episode as stimulating and helpful as I did when I was writing about it. I think Jesus' teaching on how to apologize, love and walk with an offender is amazing.
Here are the scriptures I refer to in this episode:
Luke 17:3 https://luke.bible/luke-17-3
Matthew 5:21-24 https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.5.21-24.NIV
Matthew 18:15-17 https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.18.15-17.NIV
Luke 6:37 NIV https://luke.bible/luke-6-37
Luke 7:47 NIV https://luke.bible/luke-7-47
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How to Apologize, Part 1
Hey, time to tune in again! I took a couple of weeks off and so glad you are back with me. Life presented a great lesson for us all in my home recently as I worked with my son to help him understand how to apologize. Then I realized there was something in the experience for all of us. I hope you find the episode as stimulating and helpful as I did when I was writing about it. I think Jesus' teaching on how to apologize, love and walk with an offender is amazing.
Here are the scriptures I refer to in this episode:
Luke 17:3 https://luke.bible/luke-17-3
Matthew 5:21-24 https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.5.21-24.NIV
Matthew 18:15-17 https://bible.com/bible/111/mat.18.15-17.NIV
Luke 6:37 NIV https://luke.bible/luke-6-37
Luke 7:47 NIV https://luke.bible/luke-7-47
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Father Son Campout Live
My son Ian and I riff for a few minutes live from father son campout, an annual tradition for the past 11 years. Ian drops some serious knowledge about presence and patience.
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Summer Riffs 5: Talk Is Cheap, but Communicating is Precious and Powerful
This is the 40th Episode of the Man in Many Roles Podcast! Thank you for tuning in. This week, for some reason, I felt compelled to complete this sentence: Talk is cheap, but... Well, this summer riff is what resulted. I hope that this brief riff inspired a bit more thoughtfulness in you and me about what and how and to whom we are communicating.
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Summer Riffs 4: How to Take Better Vacations: Gratitude, Consideration, Flexibility
Vacations can be disasters or they can be adventures with tough times sprinkled in. What they won’t ever be is flawless. Here’s a way to avoid idolizing a perfect vacation and embrace each one as slower practice of three disciplines: gratitude, consideration, and flexibility. We need them for life… who’d a thunk that you could grow life skills prepping for vacations, going on them, and reflecting on them?
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Summer Riffs 3: How to Relate and Converse Well with Anyone: Six Verbs
On a beautiful night on my patio I watched a thunderstorm and decided to record a few ideas about to to live well in relationships, engage anyone, and have a good conversation. Here are six actions to consider. NOTE: much of what I’m sharing is based on Cognitive Coaching training I’ve received over the years. I paraphrase what I have enjoyed implementing over the years, and credit is due to the authors of Cognitive Coaching, Art Costa and Robert Garmston. Their book, Cognitive Coaching and the associated training continues to be powerful in my life. For more: www.cognitivecoaching.com
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Umm... How do we celebrate Juneteenth? Part 2
In this second part of the "How do we celebrate Juneteeth?" series, we turn to think about how we might interact with the Juneteenth holiday as Christians. Also, and more importantly, what about the other 364 days a year? How do we build an inclusive community of ethnically diverse members? What are some Dos and Don'ts?
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Umm.. How do we celebrate Juneteenth? Part 1
How will you celebrate Juneteenth? As we enter the weekend of Independence Day, we look back at what feels like a last-minute announcement from the White House in June of 2021: We have a new national holiday. What does the Juneteenth holiday mean to black people and how might we celebrate it? Well, no one knows, and it's not like all black folks view the holiday the same way... so let's start there. And here are some ideas shared among some of my dear friends, Carlos & Dimitri Clarke, and Tony Chukes, all of us are part of the Denver Church of Christ and have been for decades. It was only a few years ago, however, that I was invited to actually swap stories about race and what it's been like for them to live as black in America. I have been so honored to receive their stories and simply let those stories be true. Join me and listen, enjoy, subscribe, and share.
Carlos refers to Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream, by Lerone Bennet, Jr. ISBN 10: 0874850029
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Summer Riffs 2: Jesus is the Most Inclusive Guy You've Ever Met
In my second summer riff, and on the heels of a new national holiday, I got to thinking, writing, and riffing on inclusivity from Jesus' point of view. At first, it seems counterintuitive to think Jesus is being inclusive when he says, "I am the way, the truth and the life" I've been following Jesus the best I can for about 30 years in earnest, and I think Jesus deserves some more consideration for what he claimed about himself. Despite how controversial the above quote is, I'm not sure it qualifies Jesus as an exclusive person given the totality of his story, his actions and his other claims about himself. I think that Jesus would be more accepting of his critics and many 21st century zealots and popular folks than they would be of Him.
So I hope the riff on inclusivity is stiimulating to your thinking and living well in all your roles. Please comment or audio record your response to this podcast at anchor.fm/maninmanyroles.
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Summer Riffs: Six Dimensions of Happiness, Joy, Pleasure, and Leisure
Less structure, more spontenaity in the Summer! I decided to nerd out a bit and riff about Happiness, Joy, Pleasure, and Leisure through 6 dimensions or lenses:
proximity to self
durability over time
agency
validity (truth)
mercy (goodness)
and beauty
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John "Bud" Lovett: My Dad in Many Roles (Fathers' Day and Auntie/Uncle Project)
As June, Fathers' Day month, and the Auntie/Uncle Project continues, I asked my dad to share what he's learned in his seven decades on this earth. He reflects on how his commitment to providing drove him to a stroke in his 40s, what he sees as important now, and offers several nuggets about living well along the way.
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Richard (Uncle Dicky, Tío Ricardo) McCloskey: A Self in Many Roles
This episode kicks off June on the eve of my Uncle Richard T. McCloskey's 71st birthday. It also kicks off the Uncle side of the Auntie/Uncle Project, in which my uncles and father will speak about how to live well in many roles.
Listen in as my Tío Ricardo and I talk about his interesting life as a Self in many roles. He has been a railroad worker, computer programmer, Trappist monk, and High School Spanish teacher. He inspired me to learn Spanish and was certainly a deep influence on my life, career in education, and my eagerness to just try. So wonderful to ask more about the people you have loved and admired, and that just what I got to do. I hope my children and their children enjoy this time I had with my Uncle Dicky. He has diverse and unique life experience to share. If we heed his experience and advice, I think we will live better as a lone (not lonely) self in many roles.
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Ann Lovett Chiango: Seeking and Joy in Many Roles (The Auntie Project)
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Mary Fran McCloskey Soulis: The Auntie Project
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Sue McCloskey Reddick: The Auntie Project
Aunt Sue was the first of the aunties and uncles I asked to record with me. I sent a communication to all my fraternal and maternal aunts for a series of May podcasts in celebration of Mother's Day. Auntie Sue responded to the invitation to share some of her life experiences and wisdom because she loves me, even though she wasn't entirely sure what I was up to. I'm very glad she did because now we all benefit, and this recording will remain for years! She is a self, sister, widow, mother, and grandmother in many roles. Listen in for wisdom and how to lead your family and relationships well.
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Clare McCloskey Lovett: My Mom in Many Roles (Mother's Day and Kickoff to the Auntie/Uncle Project)
Today's very special mother's day episode features none other than my mom, Clare Lovett. I got my gift of gab, humor, desire for solutions, and curiosity from her, and thoroughly considering everything from her best advice to my sons, her grandsons, all the way to what heaven might be like. She shares just weeks from her 50th wedding anniversary. This episode kicks off The Auntie/Uncle Project, in which I sought and collected stories and wisdom from my parents and their siblings, along with my parents' aunts and uncles who were willing to offer experience and wisdom to any who would listen.
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