The Ministry Collaborative Podcast

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Elizabeth Lynn (Shifting Ground, Lake Institute on Faith and Giving) about the wisdom of civic reflection, asking better questions vs. dispensing information, the critical importance of good facilitation in our pluralistic society, and her co-authored weekly blog with Mark Ramsey.

Want to find out more about our work of facilitation? Get in touch with our staff!

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Dr. Matthew Bates (Quincy University) about the prevalence of tepid versions of the "good news", what it means to call Jesus "King", and his latest book.

In the first of a three part conversation, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Bianca Howard (Orange), Brittany Porch (Broad Street Presbyterian, Columbus), and Kyle Bender (Center for Relational Care, Austin) about the changes in youth ministry, the enduring importance of relationships finding a balance between flexibility and stability.

To find out more about our upcoming youth ministry cohort, please contact one of our team members here.

Look for part two of the conversation the week of May 29.

Read Jennifer's original blog post here.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Mina Nau-Mahe (Good Shepherd UMC, Colorado Springs) about growing up Tongan in Salt Lake City, her transformative experience in a Ministry Collaborative cohort, and the power of seeing God turn people's lives around.

Facilitator Curator Beth Daniel talks with the Rev. Dr. Allen Hilton (House United) about the rarity of agape love in our culture, the challenge of holding space for others, and the urgent need for courageous conversations.

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Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Dr. Jamie Eaddy-Chism (Thoughtful Transitions) about her work as a loss navigation specialist, and the importance of knowing we are not alone in our grief, and understanding how loss is a much bigger topic than we might initially assume.

Read Beth's original blog post here.

Adam Borneman speaks with Kimberly Daniel (Forum for Theological Exploration, Do Good X) about Christian innovation, getting curious, making meaning, and her co-authored book with Stephen Lewis.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Adam Young (Chapel of the Incarnation, Gainseville, FL) about the prevalence of anxiety, the need for hybrid platforms, and the enduring importance of mystery.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Dr. Adam Hilderbrandt (First Methodist, Lawrenceville, GA) about connecting with local schools, focusing on being Jesus in the community, and how First Lawrenceville aspires to put Lawrenceville First.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Matt Adair (Transformational Discipleship, Friendship Bible Church) about the possibility of the deeper center, how people really change, and his hope to see churches filled with people who love like Jesus.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Dr. Heath Carter (Princeton Theological Seminary) about the future of American democracy, polarization, and the historical connections between Christianity and the American working class.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Charles Johnson (Pastors for Texas Children, Bread Fellowship) about his cohort experiences with the Ministry Collaborative, how it can be difficult to build community, the importance of public education as a public trust, and how Genesis reminds us that every human being gets to name God's world.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Terrence Smith (Bolst Real Estate) about the evolution of his call, his hope for more pastors in the pasture, and a startling number of acoustic guitars.

Program Director Adam Borneman follows up his earlier conversation with David Zahl (Mockingbird Ministries; Christ Episcopal Church, Charlottesville) about the complicated and important nature of speaking about sin, his latest book, and the wisdom of Nick Cave.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Sheila Beckford and Rev. Dr. Michelle Ledder about their collaboration, interrupting and dismantling racism, and how their book presents real talk with real strategies in real time for real change.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Carla Jones Brown (Arch Street Presbyterian, Philadelphia) about the importance of doing what needs to be done today, the practice of contemplative activism, and how being old and cranky can lead to patience.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Carrie Graham (The Church Lab) about the growing sentiment against dialogue, her work with people who don't like church, and the emerging post-COVID yearning for something beyond ourselves.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Dr. Tyshawn Gardner (Samford University) and and the Rev. Dr. Tom Long (Candler School of Theology) about the art of preaching, speaking truth to both the powerful and the powerless, and mining hope out of mountains of despair.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Dr. Jared Alcantára (George W. Truett Theological Seminary) about the importance of addressing trauma in the Body of Christ, his book The Practices of Preaching, and what we can learn from first century preachers about thinking strategically.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with David Zahl (Mockingbird Ministries; Christ Episcopal Church, Charlottesville) about finding a gracious view of others and self, the limitations of self-progress, and his latest book.

Content Curator Adam Mixon shares his reflection on the difference between grief and mourning, the wisdom of John P. Kees and Frederick Buechner, and his own vacillation between joy and sorrow. This reflection originally appeared on our blog.

Pilgrimage Formation Curator Ryan Bonfiglio shares his reflections on our theologies of deathlessness, the difference between recharging and resurrecting, and what an unrecognizable transformation might mean for us. This writing originally appeared on our blog.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Dr. Tyshawn Gardner (Samford University) about his new book for pulpit and pew, prophetic radicalism, and unbiblical nature of colorblindness.

Program Director Adam Borneman shares his reflections on volunteer decline, changing priorities, and the persistent importance of connection and meaning. This writing originally appeared on our blog.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. Scott Black Johnston (Senior Pastor of Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church, NYC) about his new book, loving your enemies, and striving for grace.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Amy Miracle (Pastor of Broad Street Presbyterian Church, Columbus, OH) about innovation fatigue, the myth of normalcy, and why her church has found authenticity in online worship.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Starlette Thomas (The Raceless Gospel, Good Faith Media) about Harriett Tubman, Clarence Jordan, and the hope that Baptism should be for the Church.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. Jack Fortin (Charity to Change, Christensen Center for Vocation at Augsburg University) about the dangers of self-absorption, God's surprising love for institutions, and Peter the businessman.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Dr. Amy Valdez Barker (Candler School of Theology, Citizen Exchange Art Collective) about the declining confidence in institutions, speaking the truth in love, and the importance of doing what we say we're going to do; as well her upcoming Ministry Collaborative September 29 panel with the Rev. Patrick Clayborn.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. Thad Austin (Ormond Center) about his new book, the importance of understanding the disconnected network of providers, and what pastors can learn from the example of Simone Biles.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Carmelle Beaugelin (BeauFolio Studio) about why it's difficult for congregations to innovate, why it's important for them to do so, and what artists can bring to the flourishing of congregations.

Carmelle's article in Faith & Leadership can be found here.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the author and practical theologian Dorothy C. Bass about her latest book Stepmother, the 25th anniversary of her seminal Practicing Our Faith, and how reflecting on her calling as a stepmother helped her understand God's grace.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Dr. Dustin Benac (Truett Theological Seminary) about his forthcoming book Adaptive Church and the importance of collaboration and community in a changing world.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. James Goodlet (First Presbyterian, LaGrange, GA) about vulnerability, contrition, Mother Emanuel, and the City of LaGrange's 2016 public apology for a 1940 lynching.

Content Curator Adam Mixon shares his reflections on how Scripture points us to the deep connection between body and soul and thus the need to integrate the liberating work of the gospel. He originally shared these words with Faith in Action Alabama.

Pilgrimage Formation Curator Ryan Bonfiglio talks with Dr. Graham Reside (Vanderbilt Divinity School) about his work with death row inmates, the paradox of forgiveness and justice, and the critical place of healing.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell and Content Curator Adam Mixon talk with the Rev. Dr. Gabby Cudjoe Wilkes (Double Love Experience, Brooklyn) about Pentecost, the challenge of online and in-person community, and the vitality of being together.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Dr. David Buys (State Health Specialist and Assoc. Professor, Mississippi State) about the importance of relationships, the long term trend of social isolation, and how his faith informs his public health work.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Dr. Lydell Lettsome (Vanbert Health Equity Project) about Jesus' role as a healer, the centrality of health care in Christian formation, and the importance of clergy embracing their role as moral leaders.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Patrick Clayborn (Bethel AME Church, Baltimore) about Howard Thurman, interdependence, and the search for common ground.

Program Director Adam Borneman shares his reflections on trust-building, mending the social fabric, and joining people in hope across difference. This writing originally appeared on our blog.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with minister and therapist the Rev. Erica St. Bernard (Your Life's Well) the importance of personal invitation in a time of isolation, building communities of trust and burden-bearing, and the challenges and possibilities of hybrid ministry.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Kristy Farber (Mercer Island Presbyterian Church, WA) and the Rev. Dr. Amy Wiles (Community Foundation of Northeast Iowa) about good places to go and cry, the difference between loneliness and being alone, and the importance of being seen and known.

Click here to read Adam Borneman's blog post, "The Front Porch, the Living Room, the Dining Room, and the Kitchen".

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Dr. Carol Lynn Patterson (First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens, NJ) about committing ourselves to things that give us joy, and finding faith formation within community, and the importance of Sabbath rest.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Laura Murray about ministry in the digital space, hospitality without attachments, and rethinking the centrality of the pulpit in faith formation.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Melanie Marsh Baum (Covenant Presbyterian, Jacksonville, FL) about her background in the arts, the abundant resources of faith's raw materials, and the life-giving power of diversity.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. William Watley (Saint Philip AME Church) and our own the Rev. Jennifer Watley Maxell (The Breakthrough Fellowship) about how the true sense of calling can fall prey to distractions, how vocation requires discovering what energizes, and and the wisdom of father and daughter.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Dr. Jim Truesdell (Frontier Fellowship) about holy discontentment, transitioning out of institutional church ministry, and God's abiding presence in the midst of our hardships.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Kathy Escobar (The Refuge, Broomfield, CO) about holding space for faith deconstruction, her passion for cultivating community, and navigating vocational discernment within existing systems.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey and Content Curator Adam Mixon speak with the Rev. Marthame Sanders (AIJCast, Mudeif Productions) about improv, adversity, and the fraudulent line between sacred and secular.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin (Soulfire Ministries, American Bible Society) about the commodification of the pastor, the added scrutiny of online ministry, and what we can learn from the global church.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Paul Roberts, Sr. (Johnson C. Smith Theological Seminary) about the seminary's transformation from an institution that was slowly withering to one that is nimble and flourishing.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell talks with the Rev. Dr. Sammie Dow (Pleasant Grove Baptist, Marietta, Georgia) about his book, managing our minds and emotions, why transparency matters, and the importance of "woosah" time.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Dr. Tyshawn Gardner (Plum Grove Baptist Church, Tuscaloosa, Alabama; Stillman College) about where we go from here, seeing Jesus as an agent of redemptive disruption, and trusting in the promise of God.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Rob Dyer (First United Presbyterian, Belleville, Illinois; Ministry Architects) about the Christian equivalent of viral, the narratives we tell ourselves, and why people are not coming back.

Rob's blog post was originally published here.

Pilgrimage Formation Curator Ryan Bonfiglio shares his reflections on Philippians, Howard Thurman, and resilience. This writing originally appeared on our blog in December.

Program Director Adam Borneman and Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell speak with the Rev. Brady Radford (Trinity Presbyterian, Decatur; Lovewell Collective) about resilience, resets, and the strengthening power of community.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Jennifer Pharr Davis (Blue Ridge Hiking Company) about resilience, her record breaking hikes, ecological stewardship, and the importance of recovering on the move.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Ben Johnston-Krase (Farm Church) about moving past superficial gratitude, disentangling it from material abundance, and its revolutionary character.

In part two of this conversation, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Revs. Amy Starr Redwine (First Presbyterian, Richmond, VA), Susan Rogers (The Well at Springfield, Jacksonville, FL), and Kjell Ferris (Peace Lutheran, Plymouth, MN) about their recent sprint cohort experience; truth telling and whiteness; navigating congregational systems; and pushing on racial justice with conviction, wisdom, and humility.

In part one of this conversation, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Revs. Amy Starr Redwine (First Presbyterian, Richmond, VA), Susan Rogers (The Well at Springfield, Jacksonville, FL), and Kjell Ferris (Peace Lutheran, Plymouth, MN) about their recent sprint cohort experience, truth telling, whiteness, and justice in the church.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Dr. Donyelle McCray (Yale Divinity School) and the Rev. Dr. Tom Long (Candler School of Theology) about their new book of Advent Devotions, the "disappointing Jesus", and what's required of us.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell shares her reflections on Saul, managing multiple pandemics, and Tina Turner. This writing originally appeared on our blog in February.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. David Swanson (New Community Covenant Church) about his book, working on the South Side of Chicago, and the importance of from moving from cheap diversity to true discipleship.

Content Curator Adam Mixon shares his reflections on Ezra 3:11-13. This writing originally appeared on our blog in September.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Dr. Dwight J. Zscheile (Luther Seminary) about church agility, faithful innovation, and how the massive shifts around institutional identity are affecting congregations.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Dominique DuBois Gilliard (Evangelical Covenant Church) about his newest book and scripture's call to leverage privilege.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Bec Cranford (Gateway Center) about her tales of messy faith, complicated community, and stories of effing amazing grace.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Mark Elsdon about his new book, the wealth of churches, reparations, and how we might align our mission with our money.

In our fifth conversation on the future of theological education, The Ministry Collaborative's Jennifer Maxell and Ryan Bonfiglio welcome the Rev. Dr. Willie Jennings (Yale Divinity School) to talk about his new book, the importance of belonging, and why theological education needs to find its center in communion.

In our fourth conversation on the future of theological education, The Ministry Collaborative's Jennifer Maxell and Ryan Bonfiglio welcome Dr. Kwok Pui-Lan (Candler School of Theology) and Dr. Patrick Reyes (Forum for Theological Exploration) to talk about de-colonization, embracing global and local diversity, and how only a fraction of theological education is happening within recognized institutions.

In our third conversation on the future of theological education, The Ministry Collaborative's Jennifer Maxell and Ryan Bonfiglio welcome Dr. Leah Gunning Francis (Christian Theological Seminary) and Dr. Ted Smith (Candler School of Theology) to talk about identity formation, the changing partnerships of theological education, and the vocational shifts toward making a difference in the world.

In our second conversation on the future of theological education, The Ministry Collaborative's Jennifer Maxell and Ryan Bonfiglio welcome the Rev. Porsha Williams Gates (Porshanality Media) the Rev. Dr. Denise Thorpe (Pittsburgh Theological Seminary) to talk about the importance of a deep learning community, reimagining the pulpit, and the wisdom of Zora Neale Nurston.

In our first conversation on the future of theological education, The Ministry Collaborative's Jennifer Maxell and Ryan Bonfiglio welcome the Rev. Dr. Kelly Farrow (Circle of Sacred Fire) and Rev. Laura Cheifetz (Vanderbilt Divinity School) to talk about how our rapidly changing world is transforming theological education, the importance of seeing wisdom outside of the institutions, and how discernment is a lifetime pursuit.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. Guy Sayles (From the Intersection, Center for Healthy Churches) about what ministries can be archived, the importance of understanding how larger systems work, and the power of Romans 8.

Content Curator Adam Mixon returns to speak with the Rev. Dr. Joe Scrivner (Stillman College, Brown Memorial Presbyterian Church) about critical race theory, American Christianity's historic complicity in perpetuating racism, and how charity is used as a substitute for justice.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Heather Jallad (Lead Cultivator, North Georgia Annual Conference of Fresh Expressions) about the blended ecology of church, better questions that lead to deeper joy, and how prevenient grace should send us to discover where God is already at work.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Dr. Kimberly Wagner (Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago) about the subjective nature of trauma, its disorienting capacity, and what it means to preach faithfully into the moment.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Dr. Joe Scrivner (Stillman College, Brown Memorial Presbyterian Church) about the pervasiveness of sin, the persistence of prophetic critique, and the problematic nature of theological abstraction.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Wil McCall (President, Dallas Leadership Foundation) on the importance of relevance, seeing the city as our parish, and how every part of society is the Lord's.

We celebrate the first anniversary of our podcast with highlights from conversations with Tod Bolsinger, LaKesha Womack, Sara Hayden, Erica St. Bernard, and J. Kameron Carter.

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Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Dr. Albert Russell (Grace Community Presbyterian, Millbrook, AL; Tuskegee University) about his books, his music, and his participation in the recent eight week cohort for pastors of color in predominantly white congregations.

Program Curator Jennifer Maxell speaks with the Rev. Dr. Denise Thorpe (Pittsburgh Theological Seminary) about re-souling ourselves, carrying our piece of the dream of God, and the difference between joy and happiness.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Tim Soerens (The Parish Collective) about his new book, the requirement of paying attention, and the beautiful mess of the North American Church.

In the context of rising violence against Asian-Americans, Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with the Rev. Katie Nakamura Rengers (Church Planting, The Episcopal Church) about model minorities, whether the Church is big enough, and how White Supremacy divides minority communities from one another.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Rev. Dr. Chaz Howard (University of Pennsylvania Chaplain and Vice President for Social Equity and Community) about the beauty and ugliness of the church, the hope his daughters give him, and his new book, The Bottom: A Theopoetic of the Streets.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Pat Bacon (pastor, Calvary Presbyterian, Asheville, NC) on the changes she has seen in her thirty-one years of ministry, how COVID has made us more real, and what she - a Black Presbyterian - would say to white Presbyterians.

Content Curator Adam Mixon and Program Director Adam Borneman speak with the Rev. Dr. Dave Barnhart (St. Junia, Birmingham) about his new book Church Comes Home and what the house church movement can teach the broader Body of Christ about faithful ministry in the margins.

Program Curator Jennifer Maxell speaks with minister and therapist the Rev. Erica St. Bernard (Your Life's Well) about the difference between coping and healing, the importance of providing community spaces around mental health resources, and The Ministry Collaborative's Breathing Room opportunities for ministry leaders.

In a conversation recorded back in December, Executive Director Mark Ramsey spoke with the Rev. Amy Miracle (Pastor of Broad Street Presbyterian Church, Columbus, OH) about vitality, hope, and the pandemic's complicated decision matrix.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with pastor and author Lamar Hardwick about his new book, Disability and the Church: A Vision for Diversity and Inclusion.

In a conversation recorded back in November, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Kevin Haah (Lead Pastor, New City Church of Los Angeles) about multicultural ministry, working for systemic justice, and how God's love is much greater than our biggest messes.

Content Curator Adam Mixon shares his reflection on greatness and truth-telling as he and Executive Director Mark Ramsey discuss the inseparable relationship of truth and love.

In a conversation recorded back in December, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. J.C. Austin (Pastor, First Presbyterian Church of Bethlehem, PA) about antiracism work, the possibilities of the current moment, and how tradition can act as a springboard for innovation.

Ministry Collaborative staff Adam Mixon and Adam Borneman speak with LaKesha Womack (author, business consultant, ordained Deacon in the AME Zion Church) about The Great Commission, Digital Discipleship, and the intimate relationship of justice to the works and teachings of Christ.

In a conversation recorded back in May, Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Katie Hays (Lead Evangelist at Galileo Church in Fort Worth, TX, and author of We Were Spiritual Refugees) about alternative places of belonging, Sunday as a pivot point, and how aesthetics can be ethics.

Executive Director speaks with the Rev. Sara Hayden (1001 New Worshiping Communities; host of the New Way podcast) about emerging faith communities, the creator economy, and laminating croissants.

In a conversation recorded back in May, Executive Director Mark Ramsey spoke with Amy Starr Redwine (pastor, First Presbyterian Church of Richmond, VA) about collaborative leadership, avoiding echo chambers, and how 2020 has revealed our societal broken places.

Program Curator Jennifer Maxell speaks with authors Dr. Monica A. Coleman (Professor of Africana Studies, University of Delaware) and Rev. David Finnegan-Hosey (College Chaplain, Barton College) about longing for honesty, destigmatizing mental health conversations, and addressing the systemic issues that perpetuate the stigma.

In a conversation recorded back in May, Executive Director Mark Ramsey spoke with Derek Starr Redwine (Interim Pastor, Grace Covenant Presbyterian) about questioning the centrality of corporate worship, how uncertainty is invigorating, and the pointlessness of omphaloskepsis (the contemplation of one's navel).

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with Ben Garrett (The Hatchery, Emory University) and Kiva Nice-Webb (Chaplain, Westminster College) about ministry in their non-traditional contexts and how Generation Z craves depth and creativity.

In a conversation recorded back in early March, Content Curator Jennifer Maxell spoke with the Rev. Susan Rogers (The Well at Springfield, Jacksonville) about old ways giving birth to the new, the importance of belonging, and being a church without a building before COVID.

In a conversation recorded back in April, Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Thomas Daniel (pastor, Covenant Presbyterian Church in Austin, Texas) about Biblical formation, being a "Love Letter to the City of Austin", and how the church should be an airport, not the destination.

In a conversation recorded back in March, Program Curator Adam Borneman speaks with the Rev. Leon Stevenson (pastor, Mack Avenue Community Church; interim director, MACC Development) about multi-cultural church planting in Detroit, the comprehensive ministry of community development, and the critical connection between community proximity and Christian discipleship.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with writer/scholar Dr. J. Kameron Carter (Professor of Religious Studies at Indiana University-Bloomington) on what the Underground Railroad and Dietrich Bonhoeffer can teach us about faithfully confronting the challenges of 2020.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with Rev. Eva Melton (activist, founding pastor of Firm Foundation Church, and the author of the forthcoming book Breadcrumbs to Purpose) about the importance of centering and elevating the voices of Black women.

Program Curator Jennifer Watley Maxell speaks with Dr. Nichole Phillips, professor at Candler School of Theology and author of Patriotism Black And White: The Color of American Exceptionalism, about the forces - both inside and outside the church - that shape our life experiences.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with the Rev. Jemonde Taylor, Rector of St. Ambrose Episcopal Church in Raleigh, NC, about how the historically Black congregation history of relocating multiple times continues to inform and shape their agility and witness.

In a conversation recorded back in April, Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Emily McGinley, Executive Pastor of Urban Village Church's Hyde Park location and Facilitator of the Chicago Cohort, about the importance of anti-racism work in shaping church plants with integrity.

In a conversation recorded back in March, Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with Katie Nakamura Rengers, Vicar/Founder of The Abbey and Officer for Church Planting Infrastructure in the Episcopal Church, about growing up Japanese-American in the predominantly white Episcopal Church, ministering with those experiencing homelessness in a gentrifying neighborhood, and the importance of letting go of power and privilege.

In a conversation recorded on May 8, Program Curator Jennifer Maxell talks with Dean Neichelle Guidry of Spelman College's Sisters Chapel about the importance of democratized theology, engaging in the work of justice, and the importance of rest.

Executive Director Mark Ramsey speaks with Ben Johnston-Krase, co-planter of Farm Church, about whether COVID-19 really has "changed everything", or if it's just revealing things we have had the privilege to ignore until now.

Program Director Adam Borneman speaks with pastor/artist Amina McIntyre about the importance of playfulness and imagination in ministry at all times.

Content Curator Adam Mixon speaks with Tyshawn Gardner, Pastor of Plum Grove Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, about what the Black Church can teach the rest of the world about faithfulness, adaptability, and persistence in the face of a global epidemic.