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By Jeremy D Johnson

Mutations is a podcast exploring latent futures in the radical present. We inhabit a time between times, between worlds—what are the emergent potentials, articulated visions, or, in a word, ‘mutations’ that can help us to pathfind our way into the future? What forms of integrative thinking and being are required for this leap? Author (Seeing Through the World), show host, and integral philosopher Jeremy D Johnson explores these questions through solo podcasts, readings, and with featured guests.
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#12. Entangled Myths for Planetary Flourishing ft. Gordon White

MutationsMay 25, 2020

31. Weird or Eerie? Animist Stories to Tell in the Dark ft. John Anderson
Oct 31, 202201:04:17
30. Animist Storms and the Five Shen ft. John Anderson

30. Animist Storms and the Five Shen ft. John Anderson

Following Hurricane Ian, John Anderson joined me in St. Petersburg, Florida for an extended visit. We sat down one evening to (finally) record one the many longform conversations we've had the benefit of enjoying recently. Together, John and I explore the intersection of Chinese Medicine, Daoist philosophy, temporal arts, and animist attitudes towards not only weathering Anthropocene storms, but living and realizing the innate and creative wholeness that is our human spirit.


John is a fellow Revelore Press author (see The Way of the Living Ghost, and Opening the Vermillion Spirit).

John Anderson is a practitioner and teacher of several styles of Asian medicine having received his Master’s degree in Oriental Medicine at the Florida College of Integrative Medicine (FCIM) and his Doctorate in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine at the Oregon College of Oriental Medicine (OCOM). Dr. Anderson’s formal training extends to the use of herbal medicine from the perspective of Chinese medicine, both classical (ShangHan method) and contemporary (through the Ding/Shen/Hammer lineage).

In addition to his formal education in Chinese Medicine, he has had training in Lakota practices and in Eastern esoteric herbal medicine and Chinese folk medicines. As part of his broader learning process, he has worked with plants, stones, and other natural ingredients for the better part of twenty years, beginning with many aspects of contemporary European paganism. This interest evolved and grew to encompass Eastern philosophies and practices. His ongoing research interests include: Gu syndromes, virtue medicine in tradition of Wang Fengyi, Daoist and Buddhist exorcistic practices, and Disability Studies at large. His work on Gu has appeared in Verdant Gnosis, volume 4. Opening the Vermillion Spirit is the second of three books, following on his 2019 Way of the Living Ghost.

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Oct 07, 202201:09:17
29. New Course: Fragments of an Integral Future - Re-Visioning Consciousness Unfoldment in a Time Between Worlds
Aug 01, 202214:52
28. Three Theses on Liminality
Feb 17, 202258:36
27. Hellametamodernism ft. Henry Andrews
Jan 19, 202201:32:30
26. Zak Stein on The Dawn of Everything, Development, and our Political Imagination

26. Zak Stein on The Dawn of Everything, Development, and our Political Imagination

Zachary Stein joins Mutations for a discussion on how The Dawn of Everything (Graeber & Wengrow) challenges and invites a re-envisioning of our developmental models, Stein's meta-psychology and how it approaches that challenge, and how renewing our political imagination is more important than ever for our time between worlds.   BIO: Dr. Zachary Stein is a writer, speaker, and transformative educator working to bring a greater sense of justice and sanity to education. Zak was educated at Hampshire College and Harvard University, during which time he co-founded Lectica, a non-profit organization dedicated to redesigning standardized testing infrastructures. He has taught classes at Harvard University and Meridian University, and has been invited to speak at a wide range of venues, from the National Security Agency to off-the-grid spiritual retreat centers. Zak is a co-founder of The Consilience Project, which is dedicated to improving public sensemaking and building a movement to radically upgrade digital media landscapes.  Homepage: Support Mutations podcast:
Dec 15, 202101:07:31
25. Origins Panel: ft. Rudolf Hammerli, Aaron Cheak, Jeremy Johnson + Poetry Reading by Michael Love

25. Origins Panel: ft. Rudolf Hammerli, Aaron Cheak, Jeremy Johnson + Poetry Reading by Michael Love

Please enjoy the audio from this year's Origins: A Cosmo-Local Gathering conference panel between Rudolf Hammerli (Swiss Gebser Society president, Novalis publisher), Aaron Cheak (former US Gebser Society president, Rubedo Press publisher), and myself. During the panel, Rudolf Hammerli shares his memories of Jean Gebser and additionally distills "four pillars" of Gebser's integral philosophy, with commentary by Aaron Cheak and myself. The segment concludes with a poetry reading by Michael Love, introduced by former Gebser Society president and panelist Dr. Dave Zuckerman (see his talk, Transforming Outcomes as Sacramento State). Please see here for more information about the 2021 Gebser Conference.

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Dec 08, 202101:33:59
22. Stages & Development - ft. Nora Bateson, Maimunah Mosli, Jon Freeman

22. Stages & Development - ft. Nora Bateson, Maimunah Mosli, Jon Freeman

Nora Bateson joins us for a panel discussion on "The Great Stage Theory Debate." Panelists include Maimunah Mosli, a Muslim family psychotherapist from Singapore who brings a much needed non-Western voice to this discussion, and Jon Freeman, an author and Spiral Dynamics expert who is advocating for the usage of stage theory, and myself, attempting to hold the facilitator role as much as I realistically can. A follow-up Mutations monologue will be published soon with some more thoughts on how a Gebserian approach offers another kind of non-linear framing for consciousness efflorescence more aligned with Nora's approach on the one hand and creatively engaging new works (like The Dawn of Everything by Graeber and Wengrow) on the other. Stay tuned for that, plus more recorded panels.

Original post by Nora: 

Hanzi's reply: 

Article recommended by Nora: "The Place of eugenics in Arnold Gesell’s maturation theory of child development": 

Jon's article,


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Dec 03, 202101:36:39
24. Mutations, Imagination, Futurability - A Reading + Q&A

24. Mutations, Imagination, Futurability - A Reading + Q&A

Presented at the 50th annual Jean Gebser Society Conference, "Origins: A Cosmo-Local Gathering." St. Petersburg, FL chapter. "Mutations, Imagination, Futurability" is my introductory essay featured in the forthcoming Mutations - Issue Zero (Feb. 2022). Published by Integral Imprint.

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Nov 24, 202101:07:55
23. The Web of Meaning with Jeremy Lent

23. The Web of Meaning with Jeremy Lent

In episode 23 of Mutations, I talk with Jeremy Lent about his new book: The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe. Lent's newest work proposes an integrated worldview very much in the philosophical spirit of the scholars and teachers we explore on Mutations (integral philosophy, theory, etc.). At the time of recording this, I was just coming down from the whirl of regenerative possibilities explored in the Integrales Forum panel, "Becoming the Planetary", where Lent and others talked about framing a new narrative around a "regenerative turn."

Part of this turn, however, means important breaks from traditional narratives in Western culture concerning evolutionism and progressive societal development.   Lent's book articulates this regenerative narrative wonderfully, and I had to agree with Tyson Yunkaporta's blurb: "This book is a good place to sit for anybody interested in binding the wounds of thoughtless progress and allowing for the emergence of new patterns of being."  I was also delighted to share some of my thoughts on the interrelationship with Lent's writing and my own research with Jean Gebser. We discussed the convergence points across the conversation.

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned with me: Mutations has a back log now, and as I continue to work on my next book, more conversations should be going up over the next few months.

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Nov 16, 202155:38
21. The Acid Left w/ Adam Ray Adkins
Jan 12, 202101:17:52
20. The Aperspectival Body ft. Barbara Karlsen and Brandt Stickley
Nov 28, 202001:48:12
19. Democratization of Time
Nov 19, 202001:29:29
18. Cultural Evolution and the Commons ft. Michel Bauwens

18. Cultural Evolution and the Commons ft. Michel Bauwens

In this episode of Mutations, I speak with Michel Bauwens about the role of the commons for cultural evolution, the resurgence of P2P (Peer-to-Peer) networks during the global pandemic, and glimpses of integral, post-capitalist futures.

Michel Bauwens is the founder and Vision Coordinator of the P2P Foundation and works in collaboration with a global group of researchers in the exploration of peer production, governance, and property. Michel is also the director of research of a platform for policy development aimed toward a society of the Commons and a founding member of the Commons Strategies Group, with Silke Helfrich and David Bollier, who have organised major global conferences on the commons and economics. Three recent books, amongst which (with Vasilis Kostakis), Network Society and Future Scenarios for a Collaborative Economy have been published in English, Dutch and French. Michel currently lives in Chiang Mai, Thailand and is currently finalizing a Commons Transition Plan for the city of Ghent in Belgium.


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Nov 10, 202001:20:08
17. Talking with Ben Burgis on Canceling Comedians, the Future of the Left, and Democratizing Work
Oct 22, 202001:28:16
16. Going Planetary - A Reading
Sep 30, 202039:14
#05 Michael Brooks on Jordan Peterson, James Hillman, Integral Theory and Building Planetary Meshworks

#05 Michael Brooks on Jordan Peterson, James Hillman, Integral Theory and Building Planetary Meshworks

For the fifth episode of MUTATIONS, I am pleased to bring you Michael Brooks. Michael is a political journalist, integral thinker, and host of The Michael Brooks show. Together we explore the Intellectual Dark Web (the subject of his upcoming book from Zero Books) and Jordan Peterson.

We also consider the alternative depth psychologist, James Hillman (who arguably speaks more from the left), the applicability of Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory to politics, a need in the consciousness culture for a historic grounding in economic theory, and building towards authentic, bottom-up planetary meshworks.

  • The Michael Brooks Show on Patreon
  • Michael’s Twitter
  • The Michael Brooks Show on YouTube
  • Michael Brooks on Zero Books
  • James Hillman, We’ve Had a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy—And the World’s Getting Worse
  • James Hillman, Re-Visioning Psychology (Recommended)
  • Rebel Wisdom with Doshin Nelson Roshi (apologies for the brain fog during the recording), “A Zen Master Talks About Jordan Peterson and the Shadow
  • Notes: This conversation and the heated, bifurcated response to it (200k+ views) is very interesting. So much so that there was a follow-up episode with Rebel Wisdom to reflect on why it hit such a nerve. Ken Wilber, in the late 90s and early 2000s, critiqued much of postmodern academia and the progressive left as “flatland reductionism,” “mean green meme” (via Don Beck’s Spiral Dynamics), and “aperspectival madness” (an unfortunate hijacking of Jean Gebser’s term, ‘aperspectival,’ which means something completely different) many years before the Peterson phenomenon in popular culture. There is some substance in these criticisms, (i.e. “true-but-partial”). As we noted in this episode by way of Mark Fisher’s essay, or Angela Nagel’s Kill All Normies, a critique from within the left is needed, and as Rebel Wisdom says often, “the left needs to get its house in order.” I’m in support of this. However, a knowledge and literacy of leftist“theory” is something I often sense is sorely lacking in the integral movement. This is something that Wilber shares with Peterson: a postmodern “allergy,” a lack of progressive metabolism. Integral oriented thinkers from the progressive left desperately need to step forward and bridge that gap.

Sep 19, 202001:18:06
15. Transcending Cancel Culture Critique [Stoa Talk]

15. Transcending Cancel Culture Critique [Stoa Talk]

This talk, “Transcending Cancel Culture Critique: An Integral Left with Jeremy Johnson,”  was presented at The Stoa on 8.25.20. Watch the video here. Thanks again to Peter Limberg for inviting me to present this talk and for permission to cross-publish on Mutations podcast. Please check out my accompanying article for this talk (read that here) where I break down the “three literacies” I think we need before we can have a substantive conversation about “transcending” cancel culture. Note: We’re about $5 from reaching a Patreon milestone. Please help spread the word and thank you for your support! // Connect with me on Patreon | Twitter | Mutations on Discord | Mutations Facebook Group //

Aug 28, 202001:04:03
14. Mutations, Temps, Pandemic
Aug 04, 202001:26:11
13. Michael Brooks Tribute - Towards an Integral Cosmopolitan Future [Crosspost]

13. Michael Brooks Tribute - Towards an Integral Cosmopolitan Future [Crosspost]

[Crossposted from Growing Down podcast] Jeremy Johnson is joined by Ryan Nakade, Brent Cooper, Matthew T. Segall, Brad Kershner and Layman Pascal to honor the memory Michael Brooks (1983-2020) and discuss his contributions to integrative thinking in politics, "cosmopolitan socialism," and where we go from here in solidarity. Recorded on 7/25/20. Watch the YouTube livestream of this talk.

The struggle continues. #LeftisBest. #RestinPower.  

Show notes: Follow and support TMBS / TMBS Patreon / Against the Web by Michael Brooks / Jacobin's Michael Brooks Tribute / Featured Intro/Outro & Track "Nobita" by Smith the Mister. | 

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Aug 03, 202002:05:27
#12. Entangled Myths for Planetary Flourishing ft. Gordon White

#12. Entangled Myths for Planetary Flourishing ft. Gordon White

In this episode, I am joined by Gordon White, host of Rune Soup podcast, a show about magic, culture and the paranormal. Gordon is the author of The Chaos Protocols, Star.Ships, and Pieces of Eight: Chaos Magic Essays and Enchantment. Note that I recorded this before the new year, in December 2019, but if you listen until the end you might notice some oddly prescient comments about health and wellbeing in 2020. I begin my discussion with Gordon exploring the rise of communities of magical practice during a time of planetary crisis, and naturally, we roll into a discussion on imagination and storytelling. What are the kinds of stories - the planetary myths -  we need to be tuning into right now, in the epoch of the Anthropocene/Chthulucene? Gordon talks about how to be “a pacifist in a living universe,” living artistically through a “non-tyrannical way of being in the world.” Authors like Ursula K. Le Guin and her Taoist-anarchic heroes (Georg Orr as depicted in The Lathe of Heaven, or Ged in A Wizard of Earthsea), or J.R.R. Tolkien’s Sam and Frodo in The Lord of the Rings, can teach us something about living this way. Gordon was a delight to speak to - and there’s much more in the conversation. 

More show notes:

Visit Rune Soup and check out Gordon’s community, where he hosts subscriber events, book clubs, and classes

Get Gordon’s books

Talking Creation, Faerie, and Facing 2020 with Dr Becca Tarnas (Rune Soup ep.)

A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K Le Guin

Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell

Podcast music by Infinite Third, used with permission (thanks Billy)

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May 25, 202001:08:02
#11. The Meta-Crisis and Transitioning to a “Steady State” Civilization  - Q&A [Friday Solo Show]
Apr 03, 202001:15:17
10. Talking Owen Barfield and the Evolution of Christianity with Mark Vernon

10. Talking Owen Barfield and the Evolution of Christianity with Mark Vernon

An episode for the Epiphany.

I spoke with author, philosopher, and psychotherapist Mark Vernon about his 2019 book: A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling, and the Evolution of Consciousness.

You may have already listened on Mark's YouTube channel. Great, but also be sure to tune in below for a new introduction.

Mark has a PhD in ancient philosophy, with two other degrees in physics and theology. What brought us together was a mutual interest in the evolution of consciousness; Mark, by way of the Oxford Inkling Owen Barfield, and myself by way of the Swiss cultural philosopher and poet Jean Gebser. Mark read my book and I read his. We agreed that we simply needed to have a chat.

To my knowledge, Gebser and Barfield never actually talked with one another in life, even though their ideas find many significant convergences; the theme of participation, for instance, plays a prominent role in both of their works.

Mark's A Secret History of Christianity is also a history of religion, which is to say the history of consciousness. His documentation of pivotal transformations in the evolution of religion were highly illustrative.

(For a direct reading of Barfield I recommend starting with Saving the Appearances: A Study in Idolatry).

I mentioned earlier this year in the episode with Dr Becca Tarnas that J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth cosmology also has interesting synergy some of Gebser's ideas, particularly how the consciousness structures unfold (a series of gains and losses as we move further "away" from spiritual origin in time and becoming).

We need a general "The Inklings and the Evolution of Consciousness ft. J. Gebser Remix" episode. Roundtable scholarly nerd-out imminent. Mark, Becca, and I are talking about making it happen. Stay tuned.


Artist: Billy Mays III / Infinite Third.

Album: Channel(s)

Tracks: "Vision(s)" for intro/outro, "In(to)" for intermezzo


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Jan 06, 202001:26:06
9. The Way of the Living Ghost with John Anderson, Brandt Stickley [Kitchen Sessions]

9. The Way of the Living Ghost with John Anderson, Brandt Stickley [Kitchen Sessions]

Greetings, mutants! During the Texts and Traditions colloquium in Seattle, WA, I stole away with John Anderson (author) and Brandt Stickley (foreword) to talk about The Way of the Living Ghost. 

About the book: "This enigmatic work by Dr Anderson combs through the Daodejing, line by line, in new translation giving robust commentary to the dark side of the Dao."

It’s something like a book written by a hungry ghost, about how we, the living, are already hungry ghosts too. 

Forgive the sound quality... The microphone, alas, did not pick us up too well without some post-production audio boosting.

Then there was the fridge turning on, midway.

Hence, the kitchen sessions. Appropriate for hungry ghosts.

If you can mind the sound, tune in with earphones and listen to what both John and Brandt have to say. It’s worth it!

More Revelore recordings are on the way. Plus, these two fellows are contributors to the forthcoming anthology Mutations: Art, Consciousness and the Anthropocene.

Grab the way of the Living Ghost on Amazon, or Revelore Press. It is also available in deluxe edition (check my instagram in a few weeks for snazzy pictures). 

Sep 26, 201926:11
#8 Building a Case for an "Integral Futurism" [Solo Show]
Aug 26, 201926:34
#7 Hyperilluminated Dark Ages with Michael Garfield

#7 Hyperilluminated Dark Ages with Michael Garfield

In episode 7 of Mutations podcast, I am joined by paleontologist-futurist Michael Garfield

Michael is an artist, podcast host (Future Fossils), musician, painter, philosopher--am I missing anything? Like me, Michael wears many hats.

We recorded a back-to-back episode. This is part one. You can find part two on Future Fossils

Michael and I offer philosophical and existential reflections on the “Deep Adaptation” movement, popularized by Jem Bendell’s recent climate report paper, and Daniel Thorson’s Emerge podcast interview, by considering what we can learn from evolutionary and cultural catastrophes throughout history. While we don’t arrive at easy answers, I sense that there is a way of thinking and relating that is emerging in the age of the Anthropocene, as Sean Kelly writes, “beyond hope and despair.” This way of thinking and being leaves open the possibility of a hyper-illuminated dark age... as a way of seeing, like the owl-eyed Athena, into the dark places.


Michael Garfield on Twitter

Santa Fe Institute

Michael’s Homepage

The Lindisfarne Tapes

Sean Kelly, Living in End Times: Beyond Hope and Despair (Revelore Press)


Artist: Billy Mays III / Infinite Third. 

Album: Channel(s)

Tracks: "Vision(s)" for intro/outro, "In(to)" for intermezzo


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Aug 09, 201901:09:19
[Bonus] The Bison at the End of History - A Reading from William Gibson

[Bonus] The Bison at the End of History - A Reading from William Gibson

A reading from the chapter, "Dead Man Sings," from William Gibson's essay anthology, Distrust that Particular Flavor.


Featured artwork by Archan Nair

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Intro, “Guardian Suite”

Outro, "The Magic Light of Tomorrow"

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Jun 19, 201905:27
#06 Solo Show: Sauron's Mythopoeic Eye and Perspectivalism

#06 Solo Show: Sauron's Mythopoeic Eye and Perspectivalism

The inaugural solo show is finally live! I recorded this not long after my talk with Dr Becca Tarnas (episode 4). Glad it’s finally out there.


Illustration by J.R.R. Tolkien

In this episode, I’m linking Gebser’s insights on the phenomenology of awakening consciousness (Bewusstwerdung phänomenologie) to some of the existential problems of the hyper-mediated self, and how this all ties to the important mythopoeic image in J.R.R.’Tolkien’s Middle-Earth: Sauron’s eye.

Facebook and social media seems only to rev up the cultural fragmentation of communities into smaller and smaller siloed identitarian groups in a “post-truth world” (which, alone, is worth discussing in another solo show). In the age of networks, why is it that communication is breaking down? As I argue, and as Gebser points out, or Douglas Rushkoff has been articulating in his recent Team Human book (and elsewhere, such as Life, Inc), much of this has to do with the underlying structure of consciousness we’ve been leaning on since the Western Renaissance: perspectival consciousness and its potent but immoderate capacity of ratio, to divide. Extractive capitalism, deficient mental-perspectivalism’s spatialized “eye,” and the mythopoeic image of Sauron’s eye all offer us different ways of looking (pun intended) at the phenomenology and crisis of culture (kulturphilosophie) in our own mediated moment.

Illustration by J.R.R. Tolkien

Feb 28, 201932:00
#04 Dr Becca Segall Tarnas - Recovering the Imaginal with J.R.R. Tolkien and C.G. Jung

#04 Dr Becca Segall Tarnas - Recovering the Imaginal with J.R.R. Tolkien and C.G. Jung

Becca is a scholar, artist, counseling astrologer, and editor of Archai: The Journal of Archetypal Cosmology. Her dissertation, which is the subject of our podcast this episode, is titled “The Back of Beyond: The Red Books of C.G. Jung and J.R.R. Tolkien.”
Feb 14, 201901:08:16
#03 J.F. Martel on Thinking Virtual with Deleuze and Past Presence with Bergson

#03 J.F. Martel on Thinking Virtual with Deleuze and Past Presence with Bergson

Mutations interviews J.F. Martel, author, filmmaker, philosopher and Weird Studies podcast co-host. Together we discuss technology, mediation, Deleuze and the virtual (and virtual reality), puppets, and much more.
Jan 17, 201901:19:49
#02 Matthew T. Segall of CIIS on Consciousness, Cultural Evolution and Cosmic Celebration

#02 Matthew T. Segall of CIIS on Consciousness, Cultural Evolution and Cosmic Celebration

Matt T. Segall, PhD is a longtime friend, philosopher, and professor over at the California Institute of Integral Studies, where he teaches in the Philosophy, Cosmology and Consciousness graduate program online. Together we discuss the evolution of consciousness through New Media, the "intellectual dark web," planetization through the Anthropocene, pansychism and a celebratory cosmology.
Aug 31, 201801:25:46
MUTATIONS - Episode 1: Le Guin, Fragments of Utopias, Deleuzian Flows, Teilhard

MUTATIONS - Episode 1: Le Guin, Fragments of Utopias, Deleuzian Flows, Teilhard

Cultural ecologies and the evolution of consciousness; Deleuze and DeLanda's geographical flows and Teilhardian super-organisms; political fragmentation in the Left and the Right and the push beyond cultural romanticism.
May 09, 201801:09:34