
No Prize From God
By PopCurse

No Prize From GodMay 17, 2023

Bill Fisher (Church Of The Cosmic Skull)
Church Of The Cosmic Skull founder Bill Fisher's seven-piece, vocal-harmony-and-Hammond-organ heavy, English prog/psych/rock outfit fashions itself as a spiritual organization dedicated to “The Seven Objects,” which includes instructions to “recognize the hallucinatory nature of reality,” “celebrate and uphold the freedom of art, science and thought,” “meet mistakes with forgiveness and determination,” and “maintain focus on the unity of all living beings.” Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Haela Ravenna Hunt-Hendrix (Liturgy)
Haela Ravenna Hunt-Hendrix's band, Liturgy, is a platform for both fine art and theology, delivered in waves of transcendental black metal possessed by the spirit of classical music and the energetic urgency of punk and indie rock. An unapologetic Christian with a love of the Orthodox Church and a spiritual practice many believers would deem decidedly unorthodox, Hunt-Hendrix is a boundlessly talented, thoughtful, and moving artist and performer. As she says in this episode: "The band is called Liturgy. The point of the performances is to be a mass. Liturgy is a structured form of collective worship and that's the intention. When we play the music, I'm reading it as a holy experience." Discover Liturgy's music here. Delve further into her work and theology on Substack and YouTube.
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Hasan Oswald
Hasan Oswald started his professional career as a cameraman for National Geographic’s film Hell on Earth: The Fall of Syria and the Rise of ISIS. His verité style caught the eye of award-winning filmmakers Nick Quested & Sebastian Junger (Restrepo). His directorial debut, Higher Love, about the opioid crisis in New Jersey, arrived in 2020. He's also covered the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, drug trafficking, homelessness in Philadelphia, and the Yazidi Genocide in Iraq. Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Dara Molloy
Dara Molloy is a Celtic Monk, Priest, and Druid who lives on Inis Mor, the largest of the three islands that make up the Aran Islands in Ireland. He talks about his journey from Catholicism to the Celtic spiritual tradition. Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Sergio Navarretta
Sergio Navarretta directed Looking for Angelina (2005), The Colossal Failure of the Modern Relationship (2015), and The Cuban (2020), about Mina (Ana Golja), a naive pre-med student who strikes up an unlikely friendship with Luis (Louis Gossett Jr.), an elderly Cuban musician. Navaretta talks about filming in Cuba, the spiritual power of music, and our relationship with our elders. "When my dad passed away, I realized how absolute death is; whatever happens in the moments before becomes so important." Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Devin Townsend
"Making peace with who you are inevitably leads to the recognition that who you are is an illusion." In this revealing and in-depth conversation, Devin Townsend talks about music, meditation, collective unconscious, imposter syndrome, perfect happiness, emotional balance, and "a certain amount of transcendence." Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Satyr Wongraven II
SATYRICON frontman Satyr Wongraven returns to No-Prize From God. The Norwegian black metal musician talks about the spiritual and creative connections between nature, music, and visual arts, anchored specifically around the Satyricon & Munch - Munchmuseet exhibition, which ran for several months in 2022. Handpicked works of Norway's most famous artist, Edvard Munch, inspired new Satyricon music drawing on existential themes, rhythms, and waves. (Read more about the exhibition here.) Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast.

Aaron Weaver
WOLVES IN THE THRONE ROOM drummer Aaron Weaver talks about the deep-rooted spirituality of the American black metal band he co-founded with his brother, Nathan. WITTR make iconoclastic (even for black metal) and often ritualistic music meant to evoke the forests and mountains around them in the Pacific Northwest. In this in-depth conversation, Aaron speaks candidly about his personal experiences and the evolution of his ideas. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast. Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica).

Otrebor (Botanist)
BOTANIST is a post-black metal band from San Francisco founded on the principle of "worship of the Natural world." A distorted hammered dulcimer stands in for guitars in Botanist, with drums free from editing in order to capture Otrebor at the "edge" of his ability. Otrebor channels an alter-ego with a romantic vision of a world overtaken by plant life, free from human interference. In a 2011 profile, NPR wrote, "You'd think... creepy, hammered-dulcimer black metal would get stale, but [Botanist] is surprisingly dynamic and hypnotic. The hammered dulcimer rings out and cuts like a blast-beated piano pounding paradiddles in some kind of black-metal drumline." Check out BOTANIST here. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica).

Brian D. McLaren
Author and public theologian Brian D. McLaren is a former college English teacher whose newest book is Faith After Doubt (January 2021), and his next release, Do I Stay Christian? will be available Spring 2022. In 2004, he was awarded a Doctor of Divinity Degree (honoris causa) from Carey Theological Seminary in Vancouver, BC, Canada, and in 2010, he received a second honorary doctorate from Virginia Theological Seminary (Episcopal). Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God, Ryan J. Downey, and check out Downey's other podcasts: PopCurse (Musicians Talking Movies) and Speak N' Destroy (Interviews About Metallica).

Dan Koch
You Have Permission podcast host Dan Koch is a doctoral student in counseling psychology, the former co-host of the Reconstruct and Depolarize! podcasts, and member of the band Sherwood. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Daniel G. Karslake
For They Know Not What They Do filmmaker Daniel G. Karslake deals with the intersection of religion, sexuality, gender identity, and social justice in his work. Every Three Seconds (2014), which he began as a visiting scholar at Stanford University, amplified practical solutions to global poverty and hunger. For the Bible Tells Me So (2007) premiered at the Sundance Film Festival and was shortlisted for a 2008 Academy Award. Karslake talks about his upbringing, his faith, and his documentary films, including For They Know Not What They Do, which was released in 2019. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Liam Wilson
THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN bassist Liam Wilson is a warm-hearted, thoughtful, and fascinating individual. A longtime yoga practitioner, animal advocate, and freethinker, he's the consummate "seeker," with a firm moral compass and spiritual grounding. Liam made several groundbreaking albums with Dillinger Escape Plan. In more recent years, he's played live with Norwegian black metal band Myrkur and Canadian musician/producer Devin Townsend. He's part of the supergroup Azura (with members of Extol) and the mastermind behind John Frum, a psychedelic progressive death metal band built around themes rooted in history and spirituality. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Adam Morris
American Messiahs author Adam Morris joins No-Prize From God to talk about the book NPR called "sharp and entertaining." American Messiahs: False Prophets of a Damned Nation argues that, far from aberrant blips on the historical radar, false prophets and saviors are an essential part of the American story. The book joins together stories of cult leaders like Thomas Lake Harris, Father Divine, Jim Jones, and Jemima Wilkinson; people who led movements that ended in spectacular flameouts, yet were often propelled by at least some progressive ideas that later gained wide acceptance. Adam is a recipient of the Susan Sontag Foundation Prize in literary translation, a Northern California Book Award in prose translation, and a PhD in literature from Stanford University. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Darren Lynn Bousman
Filmmaker Darren Lynn Bousman (Saw II, III, IV) is the first writer/director to come on No-Prize From God. The wide-ranging discussion includes: strange occurrences on the set of 2011’s 11-11-11; the quasi-religious story of 2012’s The Devil’s Carnival; his fascination with “the strange,” the occult, and secret societies; Will Storr vs. The Supernatural; the religious and (possibly) supernatural themes throughout his latest film, Death of Me, which stars Maggie Q, Alex Essoe, and Luke Hemsworth; and the next installment in the Saw franchise, 2021's Spiral, starring Chris Rock and Samuel L. Jackson. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Stephen Christian
ANBERLIN frontman Stephen Christian talks about his formative years with music and faith; moving from city to city as a kid; and gives a fascinating run-down of the arc of Anberlin's career. It's an excellent guide that should be required listening for anyone in any professional band. Stephen serves as a pastor and worship leader in Florida. He released his fourth album with his solo project, Anchor & Braille, in Spring 2020. Listen to No-Prize From God: Playlist For the Podcast on Spotify. Follow No-Prize From God on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Follow Ryan J. Downey on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Check out other PopCurse network podcasts: PopCurse, Speak N' Destroy, and Hoosier Illusion.

Spencer Chamberlain (Underoath)
UNDEROATH vocalist Spencer Chamberlain goes deep, with topics including: his religious upbringing; the challenges and pressures of fronting one of the most successful Christian hard rock/metal bands ever; the responsibility of the artist to the audience; struggling with addiction in the public eye; his evolving beliefs and the position of the band; whether we can separate the artist from the art; performance in the pandemic; and so much more. Watch the Disc Dive with Ryan J. Downey episode with Spencer Chamberlain at Knotfest.com.
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Ryan Clark (Demon Hunter) II
DEMON HUNTER frontman and Grammy Award-nominated designer Ryan Clark returns. Panic attacks, health scares, weight loss; cold showers; the breathing and cold therapy exercises of the Wim Hof Method; an examination of the phrase "the Fear of God"; reverence; iconography; symbolism; reflecting on the sheer volume of album artwork he's created; and more.
Check out several of Ryan's album covers from over the years at RyanClarkRecordCovers.com.
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Eric July (Rippaverse)
BACKWORDZ. Reason Magazine described Eric July as “America’s top black Christian anarcho-capitalist rap-metal artist.” Eric has been on right-leaning media outlets like Fox News and The Blaze, but he doesn’t "cape" for any political party or elected official; he’s not even an official member of the Libertarian Party. As he told the Dallas Observer, his beliefs don’t boil down to wanting “to smoke weed, conspiracy theories, and inside jobs.” A self-described Voluntaryist, Christian Anarchist, and commentator, Eric is a former member of the band Fire From The Gods and has detailed many of his beliefs in BackWordz songs like “Self Ownership,” “Elitist,” and “Statheist.”
The Black Libertarian economists Eric mentions in the episode are Thomas Sowell and Walter E. Williams.
Learn more about Eric at EricDJuly.com.
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Dustin Kensrue (Thrice)
THRICE frontman Dustin Kensrue on his journey with life's big questions; his personal evolution; the relationship (or lack thereof) between Thrice and the so-called Christian Music genre; how toxic mismanagement caused the dissolution of the church where he served as worship leader; inerrancy in scripture; theologian Peter Enns, Alfred North Whitehead and process theology; transitioning from interviewee to interviewer; and his podcast, Carry The Fire.
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For background on the Mars Hill Church controversy we touch on in this episode, here's an in-depth piece in the Seattle Times.
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Mina Caputo (Life Of Agony)
LIFE OF AGONY. Singer Mina Caputo, whose band is responsible for the metallic hardcore classic River Runs Red, talks about culture, spirit, human history, religion, transgender issues, connectivity, social media, psychedelics, and the inspiration she's drawn from writers, thinkers, and mystics like Terence McKenna, Alan Watts, Graham Hancock, Ram Dass, and Florence Scovel Shinn.
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Blackie Lawless (W.A.S.P.)
W.A.S.P. Heavy metal frontman and target (of the PMRC, Blackie Lawless talks about witnessing the birth of KISS; his Baptist upbringing; heavy metal’s obsession with faith, the devil, and God; how the church flourished under persecution; retracing Paul’s steps in ancient cities; predestination; Calvinism; spiritual warfare; why he won’t perform certain songs anymore; and indoctrination vs. thinking for yourself.
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Nergal (Behemoth)

Peterson Toscano (Beyond Ex-Gay)
BEYOND EX-GAY. Playwright, Bible scholar, and activist Peterson Toscano on his personal experience with so-called "conversion therapy"; what Scripture says about gender identity; climate change; comedy and social issues; changing hearts and minds within the church and without; and much more.
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Kellin Quinn (Sleeping With Sirens)
SLEEPING WITH SIRENS. Kellin Quinn talks about his early childhood experiences with the church; getting into bands like Showbread and Underoath; his issues with certain practices and failures of organized religion; life's big questions and prayer with his own children; overbearing musical missionaries on the road; and where he's at in his personal journey today.
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Ihsahn (Emperor)
EMPEROR is almost without equal in the black metal music scene. As frontman for the legendary Norwegian band and an accomplished solo artist, Ihsahn is uniquely qualified to speak with authority about the subculture. He talks about the evolution of his personal philosophy; the importance of meaning, purpose, and confrontation in art; Friedrich Nietzche; and much more.
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Myles Kennedy (Alter Bridge)
ALTER BRIDGE. Alter Bridge and Slash Featuring Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators vocalist Myles Kennedy lost his father when he was just four years old. His dad's undiagnosed appendicitis was likely treatable, but due to his devout Christian Scientist beliefs, he refused medical care. In this episode, the singer talks about that experience, his own journey through belief and unbelief, and how it all informs his debut solo album, Year of the Tiger.
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Chad Johnson (Come & Live!)
COME & LIVE! As A&R at Tooth & Nail Records, Chad Johnson helped guide the careers of Underoath, Anberlin, Haste The Day, and mewithoutyou, among others. He abruptly left the traditional music business in 2009, launching a radical new venture called Come&Live!, which gave music away and donated 100% of proceeds to mission work and humanitarian causes. C&L! staffers, like Chad (who has a wife and two children), relied solely on fundraising to pay their bills. His new book is One Thousand Risks: Fighting Fear for an Awkward, Awesome Life with Jesus.
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Sister Kate (Sisters Of The Valley)
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Karyn Crisis (Gospel Of The Witches)
GOSPEL OF THE WITCHES. A self-described Spirit Medium, Karyn Crisis gives classes, workshops, private readings, and demonstrations about the "Mediumship" system of channeling and communicating with the spirit world. Her work also focuses on the legacy of the "witches" of the past. She sings in occult metal band Gospel Of The Witches, whose debut album, Salem's Wounds, is available on Century Media Records.
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Patrick McKinney (Soldiers For Jesus MC)
SOLDIERS FOR JESUS MC. Patrick "Slo-Roll" McKinney is a National Officer with Soldiers for Jesus Motorcycle Club and author of the book Unchained Rebel: An Outlaw Biker's Toughest Fight. A retired Army veteran, Slo-Roll preaches at a small Biker Church in the Sandhills region of North Carolina and ministers to secular MCs.
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Ryan Clark (Demon Hunter)
DEMON HUNTER frontman and Grammy nominated designer Ryan Clark talks about growing up the son of a pastor; the obstacles and misconceptions that come with the phrase "Christian music"; creative inspiration; artistic credibility; his health scare and subsequent lifestyle changes; Western food and medicine; and much more.
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Max Cavalera (Soulfly)
SOULFLY. Max Cavalera talks about getting baptized at the Vatican; his mother’s deep immersion into the Candomblé religion; witnessing rituals and believers "possessed" by saints and deities in his childhood household; the death of his father and the loss of his stepson, Dana; the spiritualism he finds present in some of the darkest and angriest metal music; the transformative experience that led to the eventual creation of Sepultura; his unapologetic belief in God; and the central role of spirituality in his life.
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Michelle Tea (Modern Tarot)
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Satyr Wongraven (Satyricon)
SATYRICON frontman Satyr Wongraven tells Ryan J. Downey about the early days of Norwegian black metal; his mother and father; discovering bands like Metallica, Slayer, Venom, and Bathory; whether Norway is a historically Christian nation; and about his deep appreciation and sense of connection with nature. He speaks candidly about the benign brain tumor that remains inside of him: the prognosis, the impact the tumor has had on his daily life, and watching a friend of his battle cancer.
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Tim McTague (Underoath)
UNDEROATH guitarist Tim McTague tells Ryan J. Downey about the evolution of his personal faith; how his present worldview informs his relationships with his family, his neighbors, and his band; Underoath’s encounters with NOFX frontman Fat Mike during the 2006 Warped Tour; why the band stopped performing at Christian music festivals; the roots of extremism, from fundamentalism to white supremacy; and the need to constantly challenge our assumptions.
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Dwid Hellion (Integrity)
INTEGRITY. Dwid Hellion joins his old friend Ryan J. Downey for a conversation that touches on isolation, late night horror hosts, domestic violence, skateboarding, the origin of the phrase “metalcore,” the occult, Chet Baker, Glenn Danzig, Anton LaVey, Boyd Rice, the Process Church of Final Judgement, and more.
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Broderick Greer (Episcopal Priest)
EPISCOPAL PRIEST. The Rev. Broderick Greer joins Ryan J. Downey for an in-depth discussion. Broderick offers lectures and facilitates conversations at the intersection of social media, American history, queer theory, black theology, human rights, and racial justice. His byline has appeared in The Guardian, The Washington Post, Teen Vogue, and Huffington Post. Broderick is a graduate of the Virginia Theological Seminary and Curate at Grace-St. Luke’s Episcopal Church and School in Memphis, TN.
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Jesse Leach (Killswitch Engage)
KILLSWITCH ENGAGE. Jesse Leach joins Ryan J. Downey for an in-depth conversation about the singer’s father, a highly educated theologian who went from hippie to biker to Buddhist, before finding Jesus in the ‘70s; the juxtaposition between living in inner city Philadelphia and rural Wisconsin; discovering punk, hardcore, and hip-hop; staying focused on social justice and equality; his personal evolution as a singer and lyricist; and his spiritual journey within and outside the Christian frame work.
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Matty Mullins (Memphis May Fire)
MEMPHIS MAY FIRE. Matty Mullins on anxiety, depression, panic disorder, psychotherapy, getting married to his high school sweetheart, growing up a pastor’s kid, modern evangelism, his journey from playing in local bands to Memphis May Fire, and his personal relationship with the Christian faith.
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