
Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music Education
By Theresa Hoover & Kathryn Finch

Pass the Baton: Empowering Students in Music EducationMar 07, 2022

Episode 53 - The Most Important Question You Can Ask in Music Education
In episode 53, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Dr. Shane Calhoun, an assistant professor of music technology and contemporary styles at Alabama State University. Shane discusses the importance of rethinking traditional approaches to music education by challenging the notion of "music education for all," arguing that current programs often cater only to students with specific musical interests, such as classical instruments, while neglecting those interested in contemporary or popular music. He advocates for a more student-centered approach, where educators ask students what they want to learn and tailor the curriculum accordingly. Shane also emphasizes the need to train future teachers to be open to different forms of musicianship and to be willing to adapt their methods to better serve a diverse student body.
Connect with Shane and learn more:
- Website: http://www.musicedblog.com
- The Producers of Pop: https://fflat-books.com/product/the-producers-of-pop/
Learn more about Pass the Baton:
- Pass the Baton website: www.passthebatonbook.com/
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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton.
You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Episode 52 - Unleashing Our Impact: Empowering Music Educators
In episode 52, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Jen Rafferty, a former music educator and the founder of the Empowered Educator. Jen discusses the importance of educators taking care of themselves to create a positive impact on students. By prioritizing self-care and practicing breathing exercises, teachers can regulate their nervous systems and make better decisions. Jen advocates for shifting the narrative from selflessness and martyrdom to empowering educators, as their well-being directly affects student success. Modeling healthy behaviors for students can create a positive learning environment and foster emotional awareness and resilience in young learners.
Connect with Jen and learn more:
Learn more about Pass the Baton:
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We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton.
You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Episode 51 - Harmony and Connection: Leveraging SEL in Music Education
In episode 51, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Elizabeth Peterson, a 25-year veteran teacher from New Hampshire. Elizabeth discusses the importance of social and emotional learning (SEL) in the music classroom, especially in relation to building strong teacher-student relationships and fostering student empowerment. She emphasizes the significance of SEL in helping students become more emotionally aware and socially competent, and offers strategies to help music teachers promote SEL concepts. These not only enhance students' musical abilities but also help develop empathy, communication, and emotional understanding among them, creating a safe and caring learning environment. Elizabeth shares that proactive and explicit SEL practices can foster a sense of empowerment and engagement among students, making them more enthusiastic about their learning experiences.
Connect with Elizabeth:
- Website: theinspiredclassroom.com
- Free Webinar: https://theinspiredclassroom.com/freewebinar
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theinspiredclassroom
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theinspiredclassroom/
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/theinspiredclassroom
- Podcast: https://theinspiredclassroom.com/podcast
Learn more about Pass the Baton:
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- Amplify student voice with Exit Tickets for Self Reflection! Download for free now: https://landing.mailerlite.com/webforms/landing/f8l7g9
We want to hear from you! How are you passing the baton? Have students started taking ownership in your music classroom? Have you created an environment where students feel empowered? We want to hear about it! No matter how big or how small, consider sharing your experience passing the baton to your music students. Use this link to record a short voice message: https://www.speakpipe.com/PasstheBaton.
You may even hear your story on an upcoming episode of the Pass the Baton podcast.

Episode 50: Until Next Time: Wrapping Up Season 2
Welcome to episode 50 of the Pass the Baton podcast! This episode starts with Theresa and Kathryn talking briefly about their school years and what to look forward to for Pass the Baton. Then we look back at some of the great moments captured in season two of the podcast.
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Episode 49: Orpheus in Action: A Student-Led Experience
This week, Kathryn and Theresa spoke with Ryan Diefenderfer, about his experiences implementing the Orpheus approach with his high school ensembles. Ryan works at Paradise Valley High School in Phoenix, Arizona, teaching the marching band, concert band, orchestra, chamber ensembles, and jazz band. He is also working on a master's degree at Arizona State University and was recently named a quarterfinalist for the 2024 Grammy Music Educator Award.
Throughout the interview, Ryan shares how he first learned about the Orpheus approach and why he felt this would benefit his students at Paradise Valley High School. He also provides suggestions for other music teachers interested in trying something similar with their own students.
Connect with Ryan and learn more about his work:
- https://sites.google.com/pvlearners.net/pvhsmusic/staff
- https://www.facebook.com/ryan.diefenderfer
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Episode 48: Exploring Music Composition to Spark Student Creativity
This week, Kathryn and Theresa interviewed David Getz about how he incorporates music composition to spark student creativity. David is a high school orchestra teacher in central Illinois. He has also coached cross country, conducts a local youth orchestra, and recently published a book with F-flat Books, Unlocking Student Creativity Through Composition. As someone who was encouraged to compose and improvise at a young age, David recognizes how influential those experiences were. He now works to provide those same opportunities for his own students.
Connect with David and learn more about his work:
- Website: www.davidgetzcreative.com
- Book: https://fflat-books.com/product/unlocking-student-creativity-through-composition/
http://www.composersguild.org/- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgetzcreative/
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Episode 47: A Collaborative Journey Toward Shared Values in Music Education
In episode 47, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Allison Russo about how she works with music educators to create a values-based music program. Allison is currently an educational consultant in New Jersey, working with both schools and non-profit organizations. After graduating from Ithaca College, she taught elementary band for several years and then began working for a jazz education non-profit, helping to bring jazz education into schools and running their gender equity program. It was through these experiences she discovered the importance of incorporating social, cultural, and emotional skills and values in the classroom. In this interview, Allison shares how music educators can work with their students, schools, and communities to create a shared value statement for their programs. Connect with Allison and learn more about her work: Social Media: @TheCriticalGood Website: http://www.thecriticalgood.com Book: https://fflat-books.com/product/planning-on-purpose-creating-a-values-based-music-program/
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Episode 46: Student Agency Through Game-Based Practices
This week, Kathryn and Theresa spoke with Jared Brockmeyer about how he has incorporated game-based practices in his middle school band classes! Jared currently teaches 6th-8th grade band in Missouri. He also has experience teaching high school band and worked with the Colts Drum and Bugle Corps. As a game-lover, Jared has found that there are several elements in video games that not only engage students but also give them agency, and by incorporating those elements in the classroom, he has transformed the learning experience.
Connect with Jared and learn more about his work:
- Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100086107376866
- Email: beyondgamification@gmail.com
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Episode 45: Creating the Collective Power
This week’s podcast features an interview with music educator and leader, Anne Fennell. In this episode, Anne shares her insights on engaging community and creating a collective power through music education. Anne is in her 36th year in education. She is currently the K-12 Music Program Manager for San Diego Unified School District, supervising music educators at 117 elementary schools. Prior to this, she taught kindergarten through eighth grade music for 22 years and high school music for 10 years. Anne is also the president of the California Music Educators Association.
Connect with Anne and learn more about her work:
- Twitter: @AMFennell
- Instagram: @AnneMFennell
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Episode 44: Empowering Students With Empathy Projects
This week, instead of interviewing a guest, Theresa interviewed Kathryn about empathy projects she has done with her elementary music students. Kathryn currently teaches K-5th grade general music in Northbrook, Illinois. In addition to being a co-author of Pass the Baton: Empowering All Music Students, Kathryn also writes with Abigail Blair as part of the Blair Finch Project. In this interview, Kathryn shares how a STEAM project involving adaptive instruments helped students incorporate empathy in the creative process.
Connect with Kathryn and learn more about her work:
- Full STEAM Ahead: https://lorenz.com/shop/elementary-classroom/fundamentals/full-steam-ahead
- Everyone Loves a Story: https://lorenz.com/shop/elementary-classroom/teaching-aids/everyone-loves-a-story
- The Blair Finch Project: https://blairfinchproject.wixsite.com/samr
- Full STEAM Ahead YouTube Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOwxixywGX5qh_4PSG6a8mIumuoP-ccec
- The Adaptive Recorder in Action: https://youtu.be/OBEgAlPx6DA
- Setting up a Makey-Makey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMF2VqfsXp0
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Episode 43: Why Everyone Should Take Time to Reflect
This week Kathryn and Theresa had the opportunity to talk to Lori Schwartz Reichl about an invaluable topic - reflection! Lori taught middle school band in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Currently, she provides professional development for music educators, does guest conducting and adjudication work, and writes for music educators and administrators. Lori also recently completed a doctoral degree in music education. One of Lori’s passions is reflection, and in this interview she shares why and how everyone - music educators and music students - should include reflection as part of their practice.
Connect with Lori to learn more about her work:
- https://makingkeychanges.com
- https://nafme.org/the-heartbreaking-truth-about-education-why-and-how-will-we-survive/
- https://nafme.org/5-things-teachers-can-do-to-recharge-over-the-summer/
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Episode 42: Scaffolding Peer Feedback for Student Ownership
This week, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Michelle Rose. Michelle teaches middle and high school general music at a virtual school in North Carolina. She’s been teaching music online since before the pandemic! Michelle is also a PhD student at the University of North Carolina Greensboro. Michelle is no stranger to Pass the Baton! She was actually featured as the encore story in Chapter 8 of Pass the Baton: Empowering All Music Students. In this interview, Michelle talks to us about the value of peer feedback and how we can scaffold this process to meet the needs of our students.
Connect with Michelle to learn more about her work:
- Instagram - @the_musical_rose
- Email - michelle@themusicalrose.com
- Book - Teaching Music Online: A Comprehensive Guide for K-12 Music Educators https://bit.ly/teachingmusiconline
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Episode 41: Empower Students to Practice With Purpose
In episode 41, Kathryn and Theresa had the pleasure of interviewing two amazing music educators from Fairfax, Virginia - Katie LaBrie and Tracy Magwire! Katie LaBrie taught orchestra in Fairfax County Public Schools for over 16 years and is currently the new Orchestra Division Editor for Randall Standridge Music Publications. Tracy Magwire is in her 19th year teaching band also in Fairfax County. In this interview, Katie and Tracy shared their “Big IDEA” method, to help students practice with purpose and become more independent musicians.
Connect with Katie and Tracy to learn more about their work:
- practicewithpurpose.net
- katieoharalabrie.com
- tlmagwire@fcps.edu
- katieoharalabrie@gmail.com
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Episode 40: Season 2 Mid-year Highlights
In this episode, Kathryn and Theresa look back at the highlights from the first half of season two.
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Episode 39: Student-Created Games for Student-Centered Learning
In Episode 39, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Dr. Tina Huynh, an assistant professor of music education at the University of Puget Sound, in Tacoma, Washington. Currently, Tina teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in music education. Previously, Tina taught elementary general music in Southern California. In this interview, Tina shares how she used student-created games to create learner-centered experiences in her music classes.
Check out Tina's website, http://tinaahuynh.com, to learn more about her work.
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Episode 38: Amateurism in Music Education
In episode 38, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Dr. Tom FitzStephens, a high school music teacher in Atlanta, Georgia. Tom’s teaching assignment includes chorus, AP music theory, and guitar classes. He has a master’s degree in choral conducting and a PhD in music education. Tom considered himself a relatively traditional choral teacher until he started working towards his PhD. Learning about different styles and philosophies of music education expanded his view of what the music classroom could be. Teaching for amateurism helps students see how music will benefit their lives beyond participating in the school ensemble.
You can learn more about Tom’s work here:
- "Amateurism in Music Education (1967-2019)" by Tom FitzStephens
- "Why do Adults Sing? The Impact of the High School Experience" by Thomas Ryan FitzStephens
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Episode 37: Creative Thinking in Music
In episode 37, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Roger Coss, a music educator in California. After getting his bachelors and masters degrees in jazz studies, Roger was teaching second grade at a charter school in San Jose, California while working on a doctoral degree. It was then he discovered how much he enjoyed teaching and made the switch to teach music. Currently, Roger teaches at Hickman Charter School near Modesto, California. He is an avid rock climber and often compares exploration in climbing to the importance of exploration in music. In this interview, Roger talks to us about the importance of creative thinking in music classes.
Connect with Roger and learn more:
- www.rogercoss.com
- Creative Thinking in Music: Student-Centered Strategies for Implementing Exploration Into the Music Classroom, by Roger Coss
- Maud Hickey: Lessons from Visual Art Education
- Music Outside the Lines: Ideas for Composing in K-12 Music Classrooms, by Maud Hickey
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Episode 36: How Student Agency Can Transform an Ensemble
In Episode 36, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Heather Fortune, a music educator in Philadelphia, PA. Heather is a professional flutist, with both a bachelor’s and master’s degree in flute performance from Boston University. She was a freelance musician for 10-years in the Philadelphia area before becoming a flute teacher at a Quaker school in the city. After 4 years of teaching private lessons at the school, Heather was hired as the full time instrumental music teacher. Since that time, Heather has worked with the students to create a program that is musically satisfying and empowering for everyone involved.
Connect with Heather and learn more:
- Notes By Heather
- Instagram: @NotesByHeather
- Breaking Band: Legacy Ensembles Transformed
- Musescore Arrangements
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Episode 35: Empowered Educators Will Empower Their Students
In Episode 35, Theresa and Kathryn talked to music educator, Zach Rush. Zach began his teaching career in international schools, teaching music in both Dubai and Pakistan. He returned to the US to get a master’s degree and then began teaching elementary general music in Arlington, Virginia. This school year, he has moved closer to home to teach music in Iowa City. In addition to teaching music, Zach is also interested in research, and how educators can use that to inform their practice.
You can connect with Zach and learn more about his work here:
- Twitter: @MrZsMusicTweets
- LinkedIn Zachary D Rush
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Episode 34: Empowering ALL students using Universal Design for Learning
In episode 34, we talked to Elise Hackl-Blumstein, a former accessible music educator and current student-services coordinator in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. Elise has experience teaching preschool through eighth grade music, and also has created an accessible arts organization focused on accessibility in all arts. She is passionate about making sure all students have access to music and music education. In this interview, Elise shares how Universal Design for Learning (UDL) is a beneficial framework for teaching all music students.
You can connect with Elise and learn more about her work here:
- Instagram: @accessibleclassrooms
- Website: Elise Hackl-Blumstein
- Resource library (with lots of freebies): Accessible Music Store
- TPT (with lots of freebies): Accessible-Music-Room
- Ebook: Sensory Symphony
- Ebook: Our Voices, Our Song
- FREE Music ConstructED lesson: Accessible Composing In the General Music Classroom
- SEL Portraits Book: Teaching Music With Heart
- Keep an eye out for upcoming texts, to be released in Fall 2022 and Fall 2023!
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Episode 33: Fostering Independent Musicians
Episode 33 features an interview with two outstanding educators who are no strangers to Pass the Baton - Amy Rever-Oberle and Lauren Staniszewski. Amy is the band director at Hart Middle School in Rochester Hills, Michigan where she teaches 6th through 8th grade band. Lauren is the band director at Stoney Creek High School, also in Rochester Hills, where she teaches three high school concert bands, marching band, jazz band, and collaborates with Amy to teach one section of 6th grade band. Both educators have found that empowering their music students begins with teaching them to become independent musicians.
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Episode 32: Creativity With a Student First Mindset
In Episode 32, Kathryn and Theresa had the pleasure of speaking with Australian composer and educator Jodie Blackshaw. Jodie is a third-generation teacher. Her grandmother was one of the first people to practice Orff-Schulwerk in Australia, and her father taught in a one-room schoolhouse. Jodie’s work for concert band is nothing short of innovative. Her focus on student creativity is unmatched, which is such an amazing example of giving students ownership of their music making.
Learn more about Jodie and her work here:
- Website: Jodie Blackshaw
- Teaching Performance Through Composition
- Rhythm and Pitch Pack #1
- Pay it Forward
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Episode 31: Creating a Culture for Student Empowerment
Welcome to season 2 of the Pass the Baton podcast! In Episode 31, Kathryn and Theresa spoke with Dr. Matthew Arau, a professor of music at Lawrence University Conservatory in Appleton, Wisconsin. Prior to teaching at Lawrence, Matthew taught middle school and high school band in Loveland, Colorado. Matthew is passionate about incorporating mindset and leadership strategies in his teaching, and spoke about how we can use these to create a culture for student empowerment. He is the author of the book, Upbeat: Mindfulness, Mindset, and Leadership in Music Education and Beyond, and is also the founder of Upbeat Global.
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Episode 30: Recap and Highlights
This week, Kathryn and Theresa recap their school years and discuss some common themes from this season of the Pass the Baton podcast. Some of the highlights include:
- The importance of building relationships. Dr. Scott Edgar talks about this in Episode 27: The Connection Between SEL and Student Empowerment
- When making any shifts in instruction, it's important to start small. Scott Sheehan shares how to do this when looking at the national standards in Episode 23: Empowerment in the Standards
- Our goal is to build independent, lifelong musicians. Krystal Williams discusses how she uses technology to do this in Episode 29: Using Technology to Promote Student Ownership
- Remembering that it's not an "either/or" situation when empowering students and thinking about performances. We can, and should, do both. Angela Ammerman shares her thoughts on this in Episode 24: Empowering English Language Learners in Music
What's next for Pass the Baton?
Season 2 will begin in the fall 2022.
This summer we're offering the first ever Cohort for the Empowering All Music Students course! Find more information (including a coupon code!) here: https://passthebatonbook.com/summer-cohort/
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Episode 29: Using Technology to Promote Student Ownership
This week we spoke with Krystal Williams, a public school music educator in Prince George’s County, Maryland. Krystal teaches music theory and composition at Northwestern High School and also teaches at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, as a woodwind adjunct. Krystal is the music technology chair for the Maryland Music Educators Association. She is passionate about incorporating technology into her music classes, and helping other music educators do the same.
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Episode 28: The Connection Between Culturally Responsive Teaching and Student Ownership
This week we had the pleasure of speaking with Ashley Cuthbertson, an elementary general music teacher in Fairfax County, Virginia. Ashley has taught music in a variety of settings, teaching private lessons, school students of all ages, and even adults at a nearby university. Ashley loves working with kids and helping them connect their learning outside the classroom. One of her passions includes creating culturally responsive music classes.
Learn more about Ashley and her work here:
- Website: www.ashleycuthbertson.com
- Twitter: @ACuthbertson10
- Instagram: @ACuthbertson10
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Episode 27 - The Connection Between SEL and Student Empowerment
This week’s interview was a real treat, as Kathryn and Theresa spoke with Dr. Scott Edgar about a very important topic: social emotional learning (SEL). Scott is an associate professor of music at Lake Forest College and also the department chair. He began his career teaching K-12 music in Dayton, Ohio before earning a PhD from the University of Michigan. It was there he developed an interest in SEL. Besides teaching at Lake Forest, Scott is also Director of Practice and Research for the Center for Arts Education and Social Emotional Learning.
If you are interested in learning more about Scott and his work in social emotional learning, check out these resources:
- Music Education and Social Emotional Learning: The Heart of Teaching Music
- The ABC’s of My Feeling and Music
- Student Empowerment Through SEL in Music Education (webinar series)
- Teaching Social Emotional Learning Through Music
- Center for Arts Education and Social Emotional Learning
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Episode 26: Student Ownership Through Active Thinking
This week, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Dr. Brian Weidner, an assistant professor of music education at Butler University, in Indianapolis, Indiana. Brian spent twelve years teaching high school band prior to earning a PhD from Northwestern University. Much of his work now spawned from the various questions he asked during his time teaching public school music, such as, how do we build classrooms that emphasize musical independence?
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Episode 25: The Power of a Mission Statement
This week, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Kevin Feher, a high school band director in Southeast Pennsylvania. After graduating from Duquesne University with a degree in music education, Kevin taught in a variety of settings before joining the music department at Penn Ridge High School, where he has taught for the last seven years. In this interview, Kevin talks about how he incorporates mission statements in his high school band program.
Connect with Kevin and learn more:
- F-Flat Books - Kevin Feher
- Musicast Podcast
- Musicast Episode 2.14: Kevin Feher - Finding Balance Through Student Leadership
- Penn Ridge High School
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Episode 24: Empowering English Language Learners in Music
This week Kathryn and Theresa interviewed Angela Ammerman, an adjunct professor of music at George Mason University in Northern Virginia. Angela is a lifelong music educator, teaching her dolls to sing as a young child, teaching private lessons in her neighborhood as a middle school student, and working as a counselor at a strings camp in high school. This helped her realize early on the importance of music when building community and shaped her development as a music educator.
One of Angela’s passions involves working with English Language Learners (ELLs), which began when she was teaching at Annandale High School in Fairfax County, Virginia. Angela has noticed many benefits to her students as a result of participating in orchestra as ELLs. Students had more confidence, increased English language skills, and felt they were part of a community. Angela now works to share what she's learned about teaching ELLs with other music educators.
Connect with Angela and learn more:
- Website: https://www.angelaammerman.com
- Podcast: #MusicEdLove
- George Mason University
- Book: The Music Teacher's Guide to Engaging English Language Learners
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Episode 23: Empowerment in the Standards
This week Kathryn and Theresa had the pleasure of interviewing NAfME president-elect, Scott Sheehan! In addition to his NAfME responsibilities, Scott is the high school band director and K-12 music department chair in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania. He is involved with PMEA, working with their Leadership Academy and the Model Curriculum Framework project. Scott is also a Conn-Selmer educational clinician. Along with his varied roles and teaching experiences, Scott is very knowledgeable about the national music standards launched in 2014. He even worked on one of the revision teams, providing feedback on the performance track before the standards were officially released.
In this interview, Scott shared some great information about the standards, including:
- The creation and adoption of the 2014 National Core Arts Standards and how, as process-driven standards, they differ from the 1994 standards
- How these standards support student empowerment
- How to look at the verbs within the standards to understand where to start
- What it looks like in the classroom
- Where to start when incorporating the standards more in lesson plans
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Episode 22: The Value of Creativity in Young Ensemble
This week’s interview features Matt Clauhs, an associate professor of Music Education at Ithaca College. Matt’s background includes degrees at Penn State University (B.S.), the University of Massachusetts, Amherst (M.M.) and Temple University (Ph.D.), as well as experience teaching band students at both the elementary and high school levels. As a jazz saxophone player, Matt has always been interested in incorporating creativity and improvisation in all areas of music education, not just jazz studies. Not only is it a positive and rewarding experience for students, creativity and artistic literacy are part of our national music standards.
In this interview, Matt talked to us about a variety of topics, including
- How he starts beginning band students without method books or even music stands,
- Some quick, yet effective, creative strategies directors can incorporate in any rehearsal or lesson,
- How creativity benefits music students, and why we should work to cultivate amateur musicians,
- His advice to teachers looking to include more creativity in their rehearsals.
Be sure to check out the full interview to learn more about how Matt infuses creativity and improvisation in his ensembles, along with some great anecdotes and inspiration! Creativity in Young Ensembles
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Episode 21: Making the Shift Toward Empowerment
This week’s interview features Melissa Clark, a music teacher in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. Currently, Melissa teaches 4th-6th grade strings and sixth grade general music. She also has experience teaching 7th and 8th grade strings. In this interview, Melissa talks to us about the small shifts she’s made in her music classes to empower students!
Connect With Melissa:
- Twitter and Instagram: @ClarkLISmusic
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Episode 20: A Student-Centered Approach to Secondary General Music
Welcome back! This week, Kathryn and Theresa interviewed Rachael Sanguinetti, a middle school music teacher in Rochester, New York. Rachael’s teaching load includes middle school chorus and a variety of general music classes, such as 6th grade foundational music, audio production and modern band, ukulele, and more. Being at an independent school, Rachael has the flexibility to create courses the students are most interested in - which is perfect for student empowerment!
Connect with Rachael and learn more:
- Website
- Instagram: @mssangteachesmusic
- Creating a Student-Centered Secondary General Music Classroom
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Episode 19: A Performance Planned By Students
This week Kathryn and Theresa talked to Mandy Hollingshead, an international band teacher. Mandy has taught in the Middle East, Hong Kong, and Beijing. Prior to teaching internationally, Mandy taught band in Canada. One thing Mandy has tried to incorporate in all of her schools is having students help with concert planning.
Connect with Mandy:
- Twitter: @MHollingshead
- Email: msmandy@mhollingshead.com
- Website: www.mhollingshead.com
- Teaching Brewed Podcast
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Episode 18: The Student-Centered Modern Band
This week, we were excited to interview Shemeka Nash, a band director in Chicago, Illinois. Shemeka currently teaches 7th-12th grade band at Morgan Park High School and is also the fine arts department chair. She has done a lot of great things for the band program at Morgan Park, including creating a student-centered modern band.
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Episode 17: A Student-Centered Choral Program
This week’s interview features Brian Ackles, a vocal music teacher at Marcellus High School, in Marcellus, NY. Brian has taught in his current position for 20 years, and previously taught middle school and elementary school music. In this interview, Brian talks about his student-centered choral program.
Connect with Brian and learn more:
- Email: brianoackles@gmail.com
- Leading Voices: Purposeful Teaching Through Agile-Centered Instruction
- By Teaching We Learn - Students Teaching Students
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Episode 16: Using Learning Centers to Promote Student Ownership in Music
This week, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Levi Allison, a music teacher in South Korea. Levi has taught music in Kuwait and China, and currently teaches first through third grade general music at Chadwick International School. Levi’s school follows the IBPYP (International Baccalaureate Primary Years Programme) framework and inquiry-based learning is prevalent in his classroom. In this interview, Levi talked to us about he incorporates learning centers in his music classes.
Connect with Levi and learn more:
- Twitter: @Levi_Allison42
- Recess Duty Podcast
- LinkedIn: Levi Allison
- Website: www.leviallison.com
- Blog post: Empowering Student Ownership Through Choice
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Episode 15: Creativity Through Music Composition (Part 3)
This week’s interview features one of our co-authors, Theresa Hoover. Theresa is a former middle school band director, currently working as a music education and technology integration specialist. In this episode, Theresa talks about how she incorporated creativity and music composition in her middle school band classes.
Connect with Theresa and learn more:
- www.musicaltheresa.com
- Twitter: @MusicalTheresa
- Instagram: @MusicalTheresa
- Creativity With Composing Pieces
- 13 Moons, by Jodie Blackshaw
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Episode 14: Creativity Through Music Composition (Part 2 of 3)
This week’s interview features Robby Burns, a middle school band and general music teacher in Howard County, Maryland. Robby talks about how he incorporates creativity and music composition in his middle school band classes.
Connect with Robby:
- Twitter: @robbyburns
- www.Robbyburns.com
- Music Ed Tech Talk
- Digital Organization Tips for Music Teachers
- Music Ed Tech Talk Podcast
- Music Ed Tech Talk YouTube Channel
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Episode 13: Creativity Through Music Composition (Part 1 of 3)
This week’s interview features Sonya Knussen, a music educator, singer, and composer, currently living in Maryland. Sonya also runs Go Compose North America, an organization that provides music composition workshops for students. Sonya comes from a musical family, and always knew she was going to be a musician. As a result, she’s found a variety of ways to share her music both as a performer and an educator.
Connect with Sonya:
- Instagram: @singsthings and @gocomposena
- Sonya's website
- Go Compose North America
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Episode 12: Project Based Learning in Music Classes
This week, Kathryn and Theresa talked to Dianne Nelson, a choral teacher at Talmadge Middle School in Independence, Oregon. Dianne has experience in a variety of settings, including degrees in biology and music education, teaching experience in early childhood and Waldorf settings, and a current position teaching music pedagogy at Western Oregon University. One of Dianne’s passions in education is project based learning, which she shared about in this interview.
Connect with Dianne:
- Email: DianneKNelson@gmail.com
- PBL Resources
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Episode 11: Crafting Student-Centered Lessons (Part 2 of 2)
In part two of this interview, Kathryn and Theresa continue the conversation with Jesse Rathgeber, a music education professor at Augustana College. Jesse discusses his views on planning and teaching student-centered music classes. Jesse’s wealth of knowledge and passion for music education are evident, creating an interview you don’t want to miss.
Connect with Jesse:
- Twitter & Instagram: @Jesse_Rathgeber
- Email: jesserathgeber@augustana.edu
- Jesse's website
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Episode 10: Crafting Student-Centered Lesson (Part 1 of 2)
In this two-part interview, Kathryn and Theresa talk to Jesse Rathgeber, a music education professor at Augustana College, about his views on planning and teaching student-centered music classes. Jesse’s wealth of knowledge and passion for music education are evident, creating an interview you don’t want to miss.
Connect with Jesse:
- Twitter & Instagram: @Jesse_Rathgeber
- Email: jesserathgeber@augustana.edu
- Jesse's website
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Episode 09: Creativity and Improvisation in Ensembles (Part 3 of 3)
Sarah Gulish is a high school music teacher outside of Philadelphia, PA. She teaches orchestra, guitar, and “Creativity and Collaboration,” which is a required course at her school. Sarah is a 2007 graduate of Temple University, where she later earned a PhD in Music Education. Sarah runs F-flat Books, a music education publishing company, and along with Marissa Guarriello and Matt Shaffer, co-wrote the book, The Creative String Orchestra.
Connect with Sarah:
- Sarah@fflatbooks.com
- F-flat Books on Twitter & Instagram: @fflatbooks
- Musicast Podcast
- The Creative String Orchestra
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Episode 08: Creativity and Improvisation in Ensembles (Part 2 of 3)
Matthew Shaffer is middle school orchestra director in State College, PA. While Matt is primarily an orchestral cellist, he also played in a band in high school. That band experience, jamming with friends, drove him towards incorporating creative activities with his students. Matt is also a co-author of the book, The Creative String Orchestra, which describes ways orchestra teachers can incorporate more creativity in their classes. In this interview, Matt talks about how he does this with his own students.
Connect with Matthew:
- mas55@scasd.org
- F-flat Books: Matthew Shaffer
- The Creative String Orchestra
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Episode 07: Creativity and Improvisation in Ensemble (Part 1 of 3)
Marissa Guarriello is a 6th-12th grade orchestra teacher in the Penn Ridge School District, in Eastern Pennsylvania. Marissa is an advocate for creativity in the orchestra classroom, even though that’s not how she got her start in music! In this interview, Marissa talks about how she made this transition and why she feels it has been so beneficial to her students.
Connect with Marissa:
- mguarriello47@gmail.com
- F-flat Books: Marissa Guarriello
- Instagram: Penn Ridge Orchestra
- Instagram: Musicast Podcast
- Twitter: Penn Ridge Orchestra
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Episode 06: Empowering Students Through Games
Abigail Blair is pre-k through 5th-grade general music teacher in the Chicago suburbs. She has a bachelor's degree from Augustana College and a master’s degree from Boston University. Abigail has created several games that help empower her music students. Check out this episode to learn about "Jazz Idol," "World's Got Talent," "The Joey Awards" and more!
Connect with Abigail:
- Twitter: @AbigailSBlair
- Instagram: @MusicWestmoor
- Building Musical Minds
- Blair Finch Project: Gamification Freebies
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Episode 05: Empowering Students With Videos
Steve Selfridge has been teaching in Garnet Valley School district in southeast PA for 20 years, teaching elementary band, middle school jazz band, and now high school band. Steve has had outstanding success creating videos to empower his band students and band students around the world!
Connect with Steve:
- https://www.drselfridgemusic.com
- https://www.youtube.com/drselfridgemusic
- https://www.instagram.com/drselfridge/
- https://www.facebook.com/DrSelfridge
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Episode 04: Checklists for Student Ownership
Holly Gage is an elementary and middle school band director in South Dakota. She has taught in a variety of settings in both South Dakota and Washington DC and during that time has worked to make her classrooms student centered. Holly likes to use checklists in her band room to give students ownership of their music making.
Connect with Holly on Facebook
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