
Path into Product
By Aaron and Ash
We interview actual professionals from a variety of backgrounds about their path into product. Where did they start? How did they land their first product role? Why (or why not) choose product management as a career? You'll hear answers to these questions and more.
And you'll see that anyone from any background can develop the mindset and skillset needed to be a product manager.

Path into ProductJan 04, 2022

024: A "Recovering Developer"
Dan Barker, a self-described "recovering developer" found his way into product after various software developer and consulting roles. As a deep reader and experienced professional, Dan is very knowledgable about the craft of product management. He provides several recommendations for aspiring PMs—including several books to read.
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023: Childhood Memories and Passions
Chris Campos gained a love for business and customer relationships while working in the family business. He fell in love with products while working in an Apple Store. Now he’s a director of product at Ramsey Solutions. Hear his story, insights in how to become a product manager, and his recommended books for aspiring product managers.
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022: Be a Sponge
Logan Cottle has changed his mind about product management being a “cush” job. He was headed down the road of dentistry when a simple question began a journey into technology companies. First, starting as a Customer Success Manager, he gained a love for data and analytics and slowly made his way into product management. Logan’s story is a perfect example of making deliberate and iterative steps toward a career in product.
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021: Confidence and Crippling Self Doubt
In episode 21, Sarah Dethloff shares her unconventional path into product. With a background in journalism, Sarah decides to follow somewhat of a family path into teaching. After spending two years with Teach for America, she winds her way from "product lite" into her first "real product" role. Sarah's story is a perfect blend of accidentally falling into product management, finding a job based on family needs, luck, and talent. Her story will resonate with so many of you. Sarah is now Head of Product Strategy at Campfire.
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020: The Adventure of Product
Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia recognized a gap. Trained in computer science, he was told he'd be an engineer. Later, in business school, he realized that the program was very high level. Could there be something in the middle, that bridged technology and business? Bridging that gap became the genesis of Product School, a community and training program that Carlos founded and runs to train the next generation of product managers.
Carlos discusses a wide-range of product management topics, including:
- Product is a mindset, not just a title
- What's changed for aspiring product managers trying to get in
- The future of product management
- Product manager portfolios
- How to invest your time to land the first product role
- Curiosity and always learning
- Strong opinions, loosely held
- Eating your own dog food (or as Carlos would say: drink your own champagne)
- And more
Check out Product School's free resources: productschool.com
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019: Collaboration, Curiosity, Customer
Reza Shirazi found himself in project managment roles, but always felt like something missing. Years later, while discussing his skillset with a new manager, the manager said, “Oh I get it, you’re a product guy.”
Reza, originally from Pakistan and India, felt like he had found a home in product management. He takes a principles-first approach to product, and is thrilled by the endless learning, curiosity, collobaration with other experts, and impact that a product management can bring.
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018: Providing Value
John's Book Every Product Manager's First 90 Days: A Workbook for New Product Managers can be found here on Amazon.
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017: Network with Intention
Gretchen Rodriguez, originally from Cuba, started doing product-management-like work in Spain before joining eBay's marketing team. While at eBay, she discovered product management, and made deliberate decisions to "network with intention" in order to land her first product role.
You will love Gretchen's positive and generous spirit; and the tips she provides aspiring managers are practical and impactful.
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016: Hard Work and Luck
We often hear that people's path into product management is one part effort ten parts luck. Trevor Bruner shows us that it can be equal parts hard work and equal parts luck. Trevor has the most diverse work background of any of our previous guests. From an oil rig supervisor to a salesman, he has a great story that shows what doors determination can open for someone looking to get into product management.
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015: Obsessed with Finding Truth
Daniel Falabella, Senior Director of Product at Duolingo, was on a path to be a business consultant, until he realized, as he says, consulting was a "scam." That insight led him to try his hand in a start up, eventually transitioning into product management.
You'll find Daniel's contrarian and bombastic insights to be pragmatic and down to earth. He'll give you recommendations of books not to read and companies not to work for, and provide some really practical advice for being one of the top 10% of product managers.
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014: “You haven't talked to me yet”
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013: Maker to Product Leader - Lance Willett on How to Become a Product Manager
A self-described “maker,” inspired by digital encyclopedias and science fiction novels, Lance was awed by the potential that digital technologies could unleash for humans. When mentors finally convinced him that he was a product manager, he learned all he could through conferences, books, and thought leaders.
Lance describes various paths into product, specializations or related role to product managers, flavors of product leadership, how to transition into product, and more!
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012: Passion + Skillset
Matthew Lace has a passion for solving the world’s problems. But in the early days of his career at the UN and other global non-profits, he realized he needed a discipline and skillset in order to bring his passion into reality. While in a job interview for a project manager position, the interviewer suggested that Matt look into product management. Since then, he has found the skillset he needs to build solutions and solve problems.
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011: Lean In
Clement is never content. In his own words, he says, "If I see a pain, I want to go and solve it." Throughout his story, you see this idea play an important role. Eventually, his CEO convinces him to become an Associate Product Manager. From the moment Clement Kao speaks, you sense that he is a teacher and mentor; well, he is! He started his own company called Product Teacher, where he helps people break into product management or improve and succeed on the job.

010: "I Hate Sales. It's Not Me."
Path into Product goes international! Robert Drury started in professional sports, tried his hand at managing a cinema, and eventually landed in sales and business development. While there, he developed a knack for listening to customers needs and figuring out how to solve them while delivering value for the business.
Robert is also founder of Getting Started in Product, where he shares content and services for people trying to, well, get started in product. You can find great content at https://www.gettingstartedinproduct.com.
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009: How Failure is Better than an MBA for Product Managers
Justin Knutson, senior product manager at O.C. Tanner, is no stranger to failure. After dropping out of high school (and never completing a GED), Justin started and failed eight small businesses. Yet he credits those failures with teaching him to approach business, product management, and life with an insatiable curiosity, humility, and willingness to learn.
Justin shares his insights on questions like:
- What is at the core of being a good product manager?
- Do you need a formal education to be a successful product manager?
- What non-traditional learning experiences prepared Justin to be a product manager?
- Why should someone not choose to be a product manager?
- And so much more!
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008: "Unemployable"
Steve started as a cocky college student ready to change the world. After being told he was unemployable and then getting fired, he managed to pull himself together and continue to find opportunities to solve some incredible problems. He found himself in several different roles and leaned in when no one owned the customer's voice. During their career day, he teaches Product Management at his children's school every year. He is also CEO of a seed round startup called Campfire. This episode felt different to record and edit. He was thoughtful, clear, and inspiring. We kept it long so you, too, could experience all that Steve had to offer.

007: Sprinkler Parts to Software Products: Tips from a PM with only 3 Months Experience
Jeff Compton is fresh off his path into product--with only three months of experience. He tells his story from mechanical engineering sprinkler parts to landing his first product role at a growth-stage company.
Jeff shares his insights on questions like:
- Is an MBA a good path into product?
- What do companies care about when hiring a product manager?
- How can someone gain product experience before landing their first product role?
- How to find an internship—even during government-mandated COVID lock downs?
- Is an internship enough experience to be hired as a product manager?
- Why choose a smaller company rather than a larger one to start your product management career
- Why you wouldn't want to choose product management as a career?
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006: If You’re a Politician or Masochist, Product Management Might be for You

005: How to Land your First Product Role: Advice from a Senior Director of Product after 23 Years

004: Okay Becca, now you're a Product Manager!
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003: From Project to Product
After experiencing the tactical nature of project management and being a Scrum master, Sara wanted to push herself outside of her comfort zone and attempt the strategic role of product manager. She provides great insights into the difference between project and product management; and shares a day in the life of a product professional.
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002: Not a Developer. Not a UX Designer. Maybe Product Manager?
Ethan, a self-described introvert, worked in customer success, where he dove deep in understanding the problems and pain points of his product’s customers. After a friend was hired into the product organization, he was introduced to a group of decision makers who worked with engineers to help them build the product. Overtime, he was able to join as a product manager—which started a crash course in learning an entirely new skillset.
Ethan’s pragmatic communication style will give you a good idea of a product manager’s daily life, and how you could join the product field by networking and transitioning within the same company.
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001: PhD to Product VP: Dave Rackham
Dave Rackham pursued a career in academia, until he couldn't shake a deep realization from his mind: complex, multi-faceted problems require multi-disciplinary solutions. Listen to Dave's Path into Product, from PhD to product manager, to now VP of Product at a growth-stage start up.
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