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Presilience® Podcast

Presilience® Podcast

By Joe Saunders

The Presilience® Podcast is the official audio home of the Risk 2 Solution Group. On this podcast we talk all things risk, leadership, high performance and Presilience® to assist you in #ProtectingWhatCounts
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Ep 19. Debriefing the Canberra Airport shooting and rising levels of violence

Presilience® PodcastAug 15, 2022

Ep 19. Debriefing the Canberra Airport shooting and rising levels of violence

Ep 19. Debriefing the Canberra Airport shooting and rising levels of violence

At 1:20pm on Sunday 14 August, 2022, a 63 year old man allegedly drew a pistol and fired at least five rounds into glass panels at the departures area of Canberra Airport. Thankfully no one was hurt and the alleged offender was arrested immediately, but the incident serves as a wakeup call for Australians who have been somewhat complacent about the threat of shootings in this country. Coming off the heels of the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, and a list of gun murders throughout the country, our expert panel discuss what Australian businesses and communities need to know and be aware of to address this risk. 

The panel for this discussion features:

Leanne Close - Former Deputy Commission National Security of the Australian Federal Police (30+ year policing career)

Jason Alcorn - Former Northern Territory and AFP officer, 20+ years in high-risk security management

Joe Saunders - Leading workplace violence expert, 2021 Outstanding Security Consultant of the Year and 2022 IFSEC Global Thought Leader in Security

Aug 15, 202228:55
Ep18. Lessons for Australia from the Uvalde Tragedy (panel discussion)

Ep18. Lessons for Australia from the Uvalde Tragedy (panel discussion)

On this episode of the Presilience Podcast, the panel unpacks some of the early lessons that Australia can take from the horrific tragedy in Uvalde.   

The panel consists of: 

Leanne Close - Former Deputy Commission Australian Federal Police, 30 year law enforcement veteran 

Jason Alcorn - Former specialist police offer, enterprise security expert 

Dr Gav Schneider - Global security thought leader, creator of Presilience®

Joe Saunders - Workplace violence expert, 2021 Outstanding Security Consultant of the Year  

As much as this is an incredibly painful topic to talk about, it is imperative that we learn any lesson available to ensure this never happens on our soil (or anywhere else to the best of our ability).  

Risk 2 Solution have made our Active Armed Offender Management Training free for the month of June. You can access it here:

Jun 01, 202233:33
Ep17. Upskilling and reskilling employees for Cyber Security Presilience with Dave Cohen
May 03, 202226:29
Ep16. How to do corporate education better with Ron Amram

Ep16. How to do corporate education better with Ron Amram

In this episode, Risk 2 Solution General Manager of Training & Education, Ron Amram, provides his thoughts on how we can do workplace training and education better. He also talks at length about the messaging and narrative around mandatory training and professional development.  

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Mar 23, 202224:07
Ep15. What does the Russian invasion of Ukraine mean for Australian businesses? Expert Panel with Dr Gav Schneider, Leanne Close and Dave Cohen
Mar 01, 202243:02
Ep14. Presilience in Cyber Security with Sean Finn
Dec 02, 202127:17
Ep13. Leading in high stress environments with Leanne Close

Ep13. Leading in high stress environments with Leanne Close

Leanne Close was the head of ASPI’s counter-terrorism program in 2020.

Prior to joining ASPI, Leanne was a Deputy Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police (AFP), with over 33 years policing and law enforcement experience.

From 2017 – 2019, Leanne was responsible for the AFPs National Security portfolio. As part of that role she led and managed teams responsible for counter-terrorism investigations, protection and aviation operations. Leanne provided policy advice to Ministers and government and collaborated with Commonwealth, State and Territory agencies in relation to the development of key strategies for dealing with national security matters. She was also the AFP representative at the Australia / New Zealand Counter-Terrorism Committee.

In 2016, Leanne completed a 12-month secondment at the Commonwealth Attorney-General’s Department as Deputy Secretary Criminal Justice Group. In this role she was responsible for the strategic leadership and management of criminal justice matters on behalf of the Attorney-General and Minister for Justice. Specifically, Leanne led teams managing: criminal law policy and legislation development; Australian treaty negotiations; extradition and mutual assistance requests; anti-corruption policy; negotiation for international transfers of prisoners; national firearms policy, including successful re-negotiation of the National Firearms Agreement; and, international engagement with justice sectors in South-East Asia, the Pacific and Papua New-Guinea.

From 2015-2019, Leanne was the permanent Co-Chair of the Asia-Pacific Group (APG) on Money Laundering. The APG is the largest Financial Action Taskforce in the world today, comprising 41-member states. It is a regional multi-lateral organisation, with the strategic mission to combat money laundering and terrorism financing.

Commencing her policing career in 1986, Leanne has investigated, and led teams involved in, a variety of areas including financial crimes and narcotic importation in Sydney and community policing within the Australian Capital Territory. Other senior leadership roles held by Leanne in the AFP included Deputy Commissioner Operations and Assistant Commissioner for Protection, Aviation Operations, Human Resources, Professional Standards and Learning and Development.

While working at the Australian Federal Police College, Leanne developed and introduced mechanisms and structures for the AFP College to become a Registered Training Organisation, thereby allowing the organisation to grant nationally recognised qualifications, including the inaugural Diploma of Policing and Certificate IV in Investigations.

Leanne was awarded with the Australian Police Medal in 2005.

Her qualifications include a Master of Education Leadership from the University of Canberra and two Graduate Certificates in Professional Development Education (University of Canberra) and Applied Management (Australian Institute of Police Management).

Dec 02, 202127:36
Ep12. Managing Organisational Change with former Fire Chief, Tony McGuirk

Ep12. Managing Organisational Change with former Fire Chief, Tony McGuirk

Tony McGuirk has had an exemplary career in Emergency Management leadership in the UK, as both Chief Executive and Chief Fire Officer, with over 40 years’ experience in emergency and public-sector organisations. He has managed major incidents including multiple rescues, large scale pollution incidents, major evacuations, and major floods.

He has a Masters Degree in Human Resource Management, he is Fellow of the Institution of Fire Engineers, a Fellow of the International Institute of Risk and Safety management, and a Graduate of the Harvard Business School. Alongside consultancy work, he is the Director of Hazmat & Specialised Support for the New South Wales EPA.

Dec 02, 202130:48
Ep11. Getting Future Fit with Andrea Clarke

Ep11. Getting Future Fit with Andrea Clarke

A former television news reporter and Washington D.C. correspondent, Andrea covered major news events for Al Jazeera English, the Pentagon Channel and Thomson Reuters before working on humanitarian aid programs to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. With an obsession for growing careers, Andrea founded FutureFitCo in 2012. She is the author of the newly released book: 'Future Fit: How to Stay Relevant and Competitive in the Future of Work'.

Dec 02, 202130:13
Ep10. Former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke on Building a Culture of Trust

Ep10. Former FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke on Building a Culture of Trust

Robin is a best-selling author, professional speaker, trainer, facilitator, and retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Robin has taken his life's work of recruiting spies and broken down the art of leadership, communication, and relationship building into Five Steps to TRUST and Six Signs of who you can TRUST. 

Since 2010, Robin has been working with large corporations as well as small companies in every aspect of their business. Whether it is newly promoted leaders, executives, sales teams, or customer relations, Robin has crafted his consultancy, People Formula, for quick results and maximum success.  

He is the author of three books: 

  • It's Not All About "Me": The Top Ten Techniques for Building Quick Rapport with Anyone   
  • Sizing People Up: A Veteran FBI Agent's User Manual for Behavior Prediction   
  • The Code of Trust: An American Counterintelligence Expert's Five Rules to Lead and Succeed   

In this episode, Robin gives his best tips for building trust in an organisation or team.  Get 25% off all of Robin's online products at and enter the coupon code presilience25

Sep 01, 202130:16
Ep9. Lance Hockridge on risk-based decision making, leadership and culture

Ep9. Lance Hockridge on risk-based decision making, leadership and culture

Lance Hockridge is a globally experienced manufacturing, logistics and transportation executive.  

He has nearly 40 years’ experience in the transportation and heavy industrial sectors in Australia and the United States with BHP Billiton, BlueScope Steel and Aurizon. Lance retired as Managing Director & CEO of Aurizon in November, 2016 after he successfully lead the privatisation of Aurizon and separation from Queensland Rail.  

Lance was a member of the Business Council of Australia. He was a private sector member of the Australian Government’s Department of Defence Gender Equality Advisory Board and is a founding member of Queensland’s “Male Champions of Change” group. He was Deputy Chairman of the Queensland Government Domestic and Family Violence Implementation Council.  Lance was the first Australian to be awarded the prestigious UN Empowerment Award in March 2016.  

He is also the Chairman of The Salvation Army’s Queensland Advisory Council.  In this interview, Lance shares with us his take on risk-based decision making, leadership, culture and getting the most out of people even in times of stress.

Sep 01, 202133:17
Ep8. Crisis-Ready with Melissa Agnes

Ep8. Crisis-Ready with Melissa Agnes

Founder and CEO of the Crisis Ready Institute, creator of the Crisis Ready Model, and author of "Crisis Ready: Building an Invincible Brand in an Uncertain World", Melissa Agnes is a recognized leading authority on crisis preparedness, reputation management, and brand protection. Agnes is a coveted speaker, commentator, and advisor to some of today's leading organizations faced with the greatest risks.  

As a strategic advisor and keynote speaker, Melissa Agnes has worked with NATO, Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense, financial firms, technology companies, healthcare organizations, cities and municipalities, law enforcement agencies, global non-profits, and many others, helping them understand risk and build invincible brands that can withstand even the most devastating of events.  

A university guest lecturer, Agnes teaches crisis management in university courses around the world, including at NYU, Columbia and McGill. Her book and Crisis ReadyTM Model are globally recognized as having elevated industry best practice and are currently taught in dozens of higher education courses around the world, including at Harvard University and by Homeland Security.  

Agnes currently sits on the panel tasked with developing the International Standard for Crisis Management— Guidelines for developing a strategic capability, ISO 22361. She also sits on the Police Professional Standards, Ethics and Image Committee for the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP); and on the Global Advisory Council for The Institute for Strategic Risk Management (ISRM), an entity established to help world leaders understand, evaluate and strategically prepare for rising global risks.  

In 2015, Agnes gave a TEDx talk in Los Angeles where she discussed the secret to successful crisis management in the 21st century. She is also the editor of the Crisis Ready Blog, the host of the Invincible Brand Podcast, a contributor to Forbes, and a go-to source for the press, with recent coverage including the Wall Street Journal, Vox, VIBE Magazine, USA Today, and many others.

Sep 01, 202132:39
Ep7. Dr David Rubens of the Institute of Strategic Risk Management

Ep7. Dr David Rubens of the Institute of Strategic Risk Management

Dr David Rubens DSyRM, CSyP, FSyI is MD of Deltar Training Services Ltd. He holds a Doctorate in Security & Risk Management from the University of Portsmouth, UK, writing his thesis on strategic management and critical decision-making in hyper-complex crisis environments. The thesis developed models of strategic management at the extremes of organisational complexity, looking at issues of capability development, decision-making and multi-agency interoperability in highly unstable situations such as natural disasters, corporate failures and government-level crisis management scenarios.  

He is currently an associate lecturer at University of Portsmouth and a visiting lecturer on the MA in International Security Management at University of Berlin, Germany. Dr Rubens has written government-level research papers and reports on all aspects of security management, from national-level security sector restructuring, through to post-disaster analysis for government agencies in Japan, Russia, Dubai, Nigeria, Liberia and the UK.  

David currently runs certificated training programmes for strategic risk and crisis management around the world.  

For more information or to join the ISRM, visit

Sep 01, 202143:12
Ep6. John Brennan: The Human Side of Risk

Ep6. John Brennan: The Human Side of Risk

**Originally published May 2020**

John Brennan is an in-demand leadership consultant and formerly the Chief Risk Officer of the Victorian Managed Insurance Authority.  John was responsible for the management of risks and opportunities associated with the delivery of VMIA’s five-year strategy and for the protection of VMIA’s strategic assets.  John has more than 25 years’ management experience across public, private and professional services businesses, including more than a decade as a Victorian public sector executive. John holds a master’s degree in Human Resource Management and is a graduate of the Harvard Business School’s Authentic Leadership Development and the Australian Institute of Company Directors’ programs.  

In this conversation we touch on his journey from HR and leadership coaching to Risk, and how the human elements of both professions connect and compliment each other.  

Check out the recording of the Risk2Recovery conference here:

Sep 01, 202129:43
Ep5. Dr Paul Johnston: Human Behaviour and COVID19

Ep5. Dr Paul Johnston: Human Behaviour and COVID19

**Originally published April 2020**

In this episode, R2S chief risk consultant and behavioural scientist, Dr Paul Johnston, provides some practical tips on managing the behavioural and emotional elements of COVID-19 at an individual and family level. These tips and strategies are equally applicable to anyone in a leadership role. It's a great conversation.  

Find out more about Presilince®:

Sep 01, 202136:29
Ep4. Dr Gav Schneider on Presilience® and COVID19

Ep4. Dr Gav Schneider on Presilience® and COVID19

**Originally published March 2020**

In this episode, R2S Group CEO and RMIA Risk Consultant of the Year, Dr Gav Schneider, provides his thoughts on how individuals, departments and organisations can most effectively manage the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic and also maximise the upside opportunities presented by the current situation.  

To view the webinar referenced in the podcast, please click here:  

Learn more about Presilience®:

Sep 01, 202142:14
Ep3. Janine Mahoney on Family & Domestic Violence in Australia

Ep3. Janine Mahoney on Family & Domestic Violence in Australia

**First published March 2020**

Janine Mahoney has a long career in the family violence sector, and has a proven record in the design and delivery of innovative solutions that have been recognised and awarded for their level of excellence. Janine is a thought leader with an unquestionable commitment to ensuring that people remain at the centre of strategy and innovation design. Janine was founder and CEO of the Safe Futures Foundation, one of Victoria’s largest and most innovative family violence services. She also served for six years as the Board Chair of Domestic Violence Victoria.  

Given the horrific events in Brisbane last week (first published March 2020), we felt it was important to interview Janine to get her insights into what can be done to address this scourge of family violence. This is an important topic, and we thank you for taking the time to listen.  

Learn more about Presilience®:   

If you need assistance with family violence in Australia:

Sep 01, 202143:53
Ep2. Dr Richard Diston on the Future of Security Risk Management

Ep2. Dr Richard Diston on the Future of Security Risk Management

Dr Richard Diston holds a professional doctorate in security risk management along with 20 years of experience in a variety of PhysSec and InfoSec positions. In this episode, Dr Diston shares his thoughts on why he thinks risk management is fundamentally broken and how the specific discipline of security risk management fits into the future of corporate risk management as a whole.  

Learn more about Presilience®: 

Learn more about Dr Diston: 

This episode was originally published 2 Feb 2020.

Sep 01, 202131:59
Ep1. Dr Gav Schneider - What is Presilience?

Ep1. Dr Gav Schneider - What is Presilience?

In this episode, CEO of the R2S Group of Companies and creator of the Presilience® concept, Dr Gavriel Schneider, explains the origin and meaning of the term. Dr Schneider goes into detail about the benefits adopting a Presilience® approach has for individuals, teams and companies. 

Learn more about Presilience®: Learn more about Dr Schneider:   

Buy Dr Schneider's award-nominated book, Can I See Your Hands:

Sep 01, 202132:12