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Progression Podcast

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As tech teams we're great at designing and building products and experiences that people love. But one thing that we still can't do effectively is design our own careers.

With the help of regular contributors and special guests, we dig into why that is, tackling questions around managing vs making, missing manager tools, soft and hard skills and training, compensation and navigating a new job that's right for you.
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#9: Kevin Goldsmith on the Spotify model and rolling out progression at scale

Progression PodcastApr 02, 2019

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#29 Jackie Bavaro (Asana, Google) on having impact as a Product Manager
Jan 25, 202345:06
#28 Steve Bianchi (Beamery, Unilever) on the rise of the people-focused COO and a capability-based future
Sep 29, 202146:29
#27 Lucas Coelho (Roam Digital) on building an academy, leadership lessons and how to run a happy team
Sep 07, 202155:19
#26 Brian Lovin (Github, Spectrum, Design Details) on the rise of the senior IC
Jun 23, 202156:19
#25 Sarah Clatterbuck (Yahoo, LinkedIn, Google) on frameworks for startups vs large orgs and avoiding anti-patterns
Jun 04, 202143:21
#24: Jessie Hayes (Whereby, Box) on treating people like a product and keeping frameworks light

#24: Jessie Hayes (Whereby, Box) on treating people like a product and keeping frameworks light

This episode, Jonny chats to Jessie Hayes, VP People and Talent at Whereby, the London video platform. 

As one of the first 'People people' on the pod, Jessie goes through her personal career journey to get to Whereby, through large companies (Goldman Sachs, Box) to small, then we dig into how to treat your people function like a product which your employees subscribe to (very novel and clever) and then get Jessie's thoughts on progression frameworks, where they've succeeded and failed and what they're doing about it at Whereby today as they scale to 160+.

Jessie's links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicamayhayes/

https://twitter.com/hijessiemay

https://www.jmh.fun/


Jonny:

https://twitter.com/jonnyburch


Who else should we be speaking to?

Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.

Our lovely sponsor: Progression!

We're tackling meaty problems around career growth and hiring engineers and designers at the moment. Read more and find our open roles on our careers page: https://progressionapp.com/careers

Rate us!

It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

May 12, 202151:20
#23: Gonçalo Silva (CTO, Doist) on building progression frameworks for a distributed team
Mar 25, 202156:52
#22: Inside Progression Ep2 — Jonny and Neil catch-up
Jun 10, 202041:06
Progression anti-racism statement

Progression anti-racism statement

A statement about our Anti-racism stance and plans for making Progression an anti-racist product and business.

Read the full statement and more detail on our action items here: https://progressionapp.com/posts/anti-racism-statement/

Jun 09, 202003:23
#21 Cap Watkins (Primary, Buzzfeed) on helping new managers and the problem with taking other people's career ladders

#21 Cap Watkins (Primary, Buzzfeed) on helping new managers and the problem with taking other people's career ladders

Cap Watkins is CXO at Primary, where he's responsible for Design, Product, People and engineering (oh my!).

In the recent past, he was a professional leadership coach and organizational consultant at Practical Works, helping senior contributors, first-time managers and managers-of-managers grow and evolve in their roles. Previously, he was VP of Design at BuzzFeed, where he managed Product Design. 

While at Buzzfeed Cap also created one of the most popular design frameworks on progression.fyi – https://www.progression.fyi/f/buzzfeed, which he then blogged about warning people not to use it directly. We talked about that along with several of his blog posts, including:

https://capwatkins.com/blog/skip-the-shortcuts

https://capwatkins.com/blog/two-questions

I'd been following and nagging Cap for an interview for months, so it's funny that it then took me six months to get the resulting interview out. It's a great and very much evergreen interview though, so lots to dig into.


Find cap on:

https://capwatkins.com/

https://twitter.com/cap


Who else should we be speaking to?

Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design


Join the waitlist

We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com


Rate us!

It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

Mar 11, 202046:35
#20: Irene Au (Khosla Ventures, Google) on scaling design teams and practices, scaling yourself and finding your why

#20: Irene Au (Khosla Ventures, Google) on scaling design teams and practices, scaling yourself and finding your why

About Irene

Irene is a designer and veteran design leader, leading design and user experience at Google, Yahoo, Netscape, and Udacity. She was once even the most prolific hirer of UX talent in silicon valley. 

She now works as an operational partner at Khosla Ventures, working with fast growing portfolio companies on design and strategic problems at the highest level, as well as teaching yoga.

Our conversation covered scaling design across some of the most well known and iconic companies in the world as well as extrinsic vs intrinsic motivation, using envy to identify what you enjoy and finding the thing that gives you joy.

I loved this conversation – Irene absolutely (but politely) schooled me on some of my assumptions about the evolution of design and I learned a ton. I hope you do too!

Irene's website: ireneau.com

Irene on Twitter: twitter.com/ireneau

Design your Life – Irene's medium blog: https://medium.com/design-your-life


Who else should we be speaking to?

Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design

We're looking for new sponsors! hit us up: podcast@progressionapp.com


Join the waitlist

We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com


Rate us!

It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539


Jan 28, 202041:33
#19: Ryan Carson (CEO, Treehouse) on a winding journey to training 100,000 new software engineers

#19: Ryan Carson (CEO, Treehouse) on a winding journey to training 100,000 new software engineers

About Ryan

Ryan Carson has been a huge figure in tech and online learning for a long time now through his company Treehouse, but his journey to get there and onwards from this success story is a journey of learning about himself, what he loves and also his privilege.  From Carsonified, his tech conference startup based in the UK through Treehouse to Project unlock the American dream (training 100,000 Americans from diverse backgrounds into software engineering apprenticeships), he talks through his biggest challenge yet.

Ryan on twitter: https://twitter.com/ryancarson

Treehouse: https://teamtreehouse.com

Project unlock the american dream: https://projectunlocktheamericandream.org


Ryan's book recommendations

The New Jim Crow: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1595586431

Seeing White: https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-White-Introduction-Privilege-Race/dp/1442203080


Who else should we be speaking to?

Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design


Join the waitlist

We’re aiming to launch soon, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com


Rate us!

It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539

Jan 07, 202030:59
#18 Anne-Laure Le Cunff on mindfulness, burnout, writing every day and building a business

#18 Anne-Laure Le Cunff on mindfulness, burnout, writing every day and building a business

Today’s guest: Anne-Laure Le Cunff

Anne-Laure is a prolific writer, thinker and learner. From a background in tech at companies like Google, she's spend the last year or so focused on entrepreneurial projects, culminating in her own Venture Studio Ness Labs, dedicated to products that help people be happier and healthier. She's hugely active in the online entrepreneurial community, championing learning and personal development with a broad set of 6000+ folks following along through her newsletter.

As a fellow maker and founder, Anne-Laure and I talk less about team building and more about the journey of starting something new, compound interest when it comes to writing, being an active learner and a company of one.

Anne-Laure's company: https://nesslabs.com/ and newsletter: https://nesslabs.com/newsletter

Maker Mag: https://makermag.com/

Anne-Laure on Twitter: https://twitter.com/anthilemoon


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. Go check them out at https://deliveroo.design


Join the waitlist

We’re aiming to launch in the first quarter of next year, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. https://progressionapp.com


Rate us!

It really helps if you rate us on iTunes. You can do that right here. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/progression-podcast/id1435509539


Who else should we be speaking to?

Be on the pod! Tell us about someone great! Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.

Dec 18, 201940:47
#17 Kara DeFrias on changing careers, curing cancer and being a sponsor

#17 Kara DeFrias on changing careers, curing cancer and being a sponsor

I loved chatting to Kara back in August, excited to finally get this episode out to your ears!

Kara started her career as an instructional designer, eventually working her way to leading user experience design through experience at (amongst others) top-flight companies in sport (the Super Bowl), Film (Oscars) and politics, both as senior advisor to 18F and as Biden's Director of UX during Obama's cancer moonshot. She was also one of the first Presidential Innovation Fellows.

We talked about Instructional design, meeting Obama, pale males, career progression of a person vs a professional and where you can use existing skills in new ways and readjust your career to suit the things you’re good at AND the things you love. 

We also covered attempting to cure cancer, doing user-centred design in government, being a good sponsor and our mutual love of the West Wing.


Show links

Obama announcing the cancer moonshot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W2Fl_X_6I4

Kara's article on how to care and feed a team: https://medium.com/@karadefrias/the-product-managers-guide-to-the-care-and-feeding-of-humans-ee2854bc5944

Find Kara on the web at https://www.karadefrias.com/, and on twitter at https://twitter.com/karadefrias.


Who else should we be speaking to?

We have a fantastic set of interviews already recorded so we're sorted for getting into your ear-holes for this year, but we're looking for guests for 2020 episodes, so if you or someone you know is doing great work, let us know! Even better if it's someone who might not be regulars on other podcasts or stages.

Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo!

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. It really is an exciting and fun place to work (I should know as an alumni).

Go check out the team, blog and open roles at deliveroo.design or follow them on twitter: https://twitter.com/deliveroodesign


Dec 06, 201943:11
#16 Dave Malouf on Design Ops and the power of speaking on stage

#16 Dave Malouf on Design Ops and the power of speaking on stage

Dave Malouf is a veteran design leader, strategist, facilitator, researcher, and educator who has worked with some of the largest and fastest growing organizations globally. He's probably best known for his work around Design Ops, that slightly nebulous set of practices that help design organisations to scale.

We get right into defining then pulling Design Ops apart, as well as touching on how speaking globally informs his practice and gives him energy.

Dave on Twitter: https://twitter.com/daveixd

Worth watching: Dave's keynote at IxDA Rio


Who else should we be speaking to?

We have a fantastic set of interviews already recorded so we're sorted for getting into your ear-holes for this year, but we're looking for guests for 2020 episodes, so if you or someone you know is doing great work, let us know! Even better if it's someone who might not be regulars on other podcasts or stages.

Just email podcast@progressionapp.com and tell us more.


Our lovely sponsor: Deliveroo!

Our wonderful sponsor Deliveroo is looking for loads of designers, researchers, writers as well as leaders and managers. It really is an exciting and fun place to work (I should know as an alumni). 

Go check out the team, blog and open roles at deliveroo.design or follow them on twitter: https://twitter.com/deliveroodesign


Join the waitlist

We’re aiming to launch in the first quarter of next year, but if you want to jump the gun or just be in the loop, get involved in our waitlist. progressionapp.com

You can also follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/progressionapp – send us a tweet with your thoughts on the pod!

Nov 08, 201939:26
#15: Inside Progression with Jonny and Neil – teamwork, a new feature and biscuit reviews

#15: Inside Progression with Jonny and Neil – teamwork, a new feature and biscuit reviews

Hey friends! It's been a while...

We're having a mini-break from regular episodes for the summer, but to celebrate Neil officially joining the team (about 4 months ago) as a cofounder, we decided to chat about working together and finding each other, our new feature 'check-ins' and our favourite office snack, the mighty Choco Leibniz.

We'll be back with a new season, fantastic guests, a shiny new sponsor and more great interviews in a couple of weeks.


Neil can be found at:

neilcameron.me

twitter.com/ncameron


Jonny is, as ever, at

jonnyburch.com

twitter.com/jonnyburch

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Remember to join the Progression waitlist for all the latest on our product, including invites to the product before anyone else.


Sep 06, 201938:24
#14: Todd Zaki Warfel (Leadership coach, Design Career Index report) on frameworks and job satisfaction

#14: Todd Zaki Warfel (Leadership coach, Design Career Index report) on frameworks and job satisfaction

Todd is a Design leader, leadership coach and lifelong learner. He recently released findings from a survey of over 800 design teams globally, with a focus on career growth and team health.

We dive into his findings- getting through everything from hiring to attrition and the relative importance of different factors in someone's decision to leave. And the results are interesting: it turns out that 35% of people list lack of career growth as their reason for leaving a company, but under 4% of design teams have a progression framework.

We also dig into some of the stats around progression frameworks – when do companies roll them out and when should you start considering one for your team.

Enjoy!


Todd online:

On Twitter: https://twitter.com/zakiwarfel

Todd's site: http://zakiwarfel.com

The report: http://zakiwarfel.com/dci-report/

His great talk at Leading Design last year: https://vimeo.com/297967955


Progression

Get your waitlist spot at progressionapp.com (we're going into Beta now so many more invites coming soon)


Me and progression:

twitter.com/jonnyburch

progressionapp.com

Jul 09, 201901:17:13
#13: Sana Rao (Twitter, Deliveroo) on life changes, sponsorship and scaling design teams through change
Jun 13, 201901:19:23
#12: Peter Merholz (Adaptive Path, Org Design for Design Orgs) on org design and ethics
May 28, 201901:14:12
#11: Braden Kowitz (Google Ventures, Range) on co-creating the Design Sprint, becoming a founder and his design journey

#11: Braden Kowitz (Google Ventures, Range) on co-creating the Design Sprint, becoming a founder and his design journey

In this episode I'm talking to Braden Kowitz, an SF based designer and founder.

Braden's work has been hugely impactful on how we design today through his work on the Sprint book at Google Ventures. But his journey has also been an interesting one, leading from Google to working with startups to founding his own, Range.

We talk about finding meaningful work, bucking the trend of an expected design career, the dangers of a rigid ladder in a small team and much more.


Braden's Links

Range: https://www.range.co/

Braden's personal site: https://kowitz.co/

Braden on twitter: https://twitter.com/kowitz

The Sprint Book: https://www.thesprintbook.com/


Sponsor: Onfido 🙌

This episode is sponsored by Onfido! They're ruddy great, and are looking for a VP design (amongst other interesting design and product roles). Check out their open jobs here: onfido.com/jobs

Want to sponsor an episode, or suggest a guest? Email podcast@makegrow.co to get straight to me.


Me and progression:

twitter.com/jonnyburch

progressionapp.com

May 07, 201938:40
#10: Jasmine Friedl (Intercom) on having a deliberate career and overcoming challenges
Apr 24, 201936:26
#9: Kevin Goldsmith on the Spotify model and rolling out progression at scale

#9: Kevin Goldsmith on the Spotify model and rolling out progression at scale

Apr 02, 201901:07:31
#8: Mills (ustwo) on having to change to stay the same

#8: Mills (ustwo) on having to change to stay the same

Mills is kind of a legend of the London product and agency scene and co-founder and cultural hub of ustwo, the company behind (amongst others) the multi-award-winning game Monument Valley. 

Ustwo are now huge, with offices in several countries around the world and hundreds of employees, but 15 years ago Mills and Sinx, (the other one in us'two') didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Mills is now on his own journey of self discovery. We talk about what it means to have a good career, to build a business you want to work for, to find happiness and to recognise the need for change in order to get there.

Apologies for some wobbly sound, sirens and bumps - I wanted to get this pod out there in true JFDI (Just Fucking Do It, the name of Mills's pod) style.


Sponsor the pod!

I'm looking for sponsors for this podcast! I have a small but growing audience of designers and design leaders who may be looking for a new gig, or some new tools. So get in front of them for an absolute bargain basement price by emailing me at podcast@makegrow.co.


Mills:

https://twitter.com/millsustwo

https://soundcloud.com/thejfdicast

https://www.ustwo.com/


Jonny:

https://twitter.com/jonnyburch

http://progressionapp.com

Feb 26, 201955:52
#7: Designing your design career, with Jonny and Austin

#7: Designing your design career, with Jonny and Austin

First podcast of the year! Took long enough...

Jonny and Austin chat about their upcoming workshop – a collaboration with General Assembly – for designers of all stripes to introspect about their design careers and set better goals.

Our first workshop is on the 14th of February, in London. Only 25 tickets total, grab yours (or gift to someone in your team) sharpish.  jams.progressionapp.com

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Us:
Jonny: twitter.com/jonnyburch

Austin: twitter.com/austinkeeble

Jan 29, 201938:43
#6: Jason Mesut on Online Mistakes and Designer Shapes
Dec 05, 201844:31
#5: Lauren Currie and Bud Caddell on making work fair
Nov 14, 201853:41
#4: Jonny and Austin chitchat
Oct 15, 201843:15
#3: Jen Dary on Becoming a Manager and Taking a Break
Oct 10, 201839:17
#2: Andy Budd on Ownership and UX titles
Oct 01, 201801:02:46
Episode 1: Minimum Viable Podcast
Sep 04, 201854:18