
Regulated & Relational
By Attachment & Trauma Network, Inc.

Regulated & RelationalMay 16, 2023

Ep 48 - The Power of the Pause
In this session, Julie and Ginger invite Dr. Jon Baylin into the studio. Dr. Baylin received his doctorate in clinical psychology from Peabody College of Vanderbilt University in 1981 and he has been working in the mental health field for 35 years. He has immersed himself in the study of neuroscience and in teaching mental health practitioners about the brain. Dr. Baylin delivers keynote addresses nationally and internationally. He collaborates with Dr. Daniel Hughes and their first book, Brain Based Parenting, was released in 2012. In 2016, their second book, The Neurobiology of Attachment-Focused Therapy was released.
Today, Julie, Ginger and Dr. Baylin are talking about the “Power of the Pause”. Dr. Baylin says a child’s brain, especially one that has experience childhood trauma, is all about getting a very quick reaction to things, but sometimes that fast reaction is not the best. By teaching the children the power of the pause, we can help them gain self-control and feel empowerment. The pause helps all of us move beyond only using our amygdala and using the higher portion of our brain. Dr. Baylin says, “We can upshift our brains by pausing.”
Listen in to learn more about this concept and how it truly is based in relationship.
To order Dr. Baylin and Dr. Hughes’ books, visit ATN’s Bookshop at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.

Ep 47 - The Importance of Feeling Safe
In this episode, Julie and Ginger discuss the concept of “Felt Safety”. You can’t trust, heal, or learn in a state of unsafety. This isn’t only about physical safety, but this concept also includes emotional safety. It’s all about the state of your nervous system. Listen in to understand what happens in a child’s brain when they are unsafe, either from a perceived or actual threat. Ginger says, “Children need help returning to the baseline of felt safety through co-regulation.” That is the adult’s responsibility.
Safety is always first, so how does the adult bring about a feeling of safety for the child. First, believe in the child and listen to what they are experiencing. Next, increase predictability, structure, and routine. Also, be careful with your tone of voice. Avoid sarcasm and avoid yelling. And remember - creating an environment of felt safety is important for all children, not just those with early childhood trauma. It is for all of us!
To order ATN’s Calm Kits, visit ATN’s store at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/atn-store-educator/. Videos on how to use each calm kit item is included with the purchase.
If you choose to create your own “calm kit”, be sure to include tactile items such as fidgets, squishies, silly putty, silicone sponges, shaving cream, weighted blankets, mini tramps, crash pads, pillows and chair bands, just to name a few.
To join our upcoming book study, go to https://www.tfaforms.com/5060290. To sign up for our Movies That Matter Series, click https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/movies-that-matter-series/ Hope to see you there!

Ep 46 - Our Hidden Senses
Today Julie and Ginger invite Jessica Sinarski into the studio. If you think her name seems familiar, then you are correct. Jessica has been here before. This is her second appearance with us! Jessica is a therapist, speaker and change maker. She is the founder of Brave Brains and the author of the Riley the Brave series, Hello Anger and more. Her latest book, Riley the Brave’s Sensational Senses, teaches children about their senses with strategies for emotional regulation. Jessica recently began her deep dive into the world of the senses. She saw that sensory processing was difficult for kids from foster care. In fact, she claims that almost all children with early childhood trauma have issues with sensory processing.
We are all familiar with the five senses – sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch – but Jessica says there are three more! Listen in to learn about those additional senses. Additionally, Jessica has great advice on how adults can help children deal with difficult sensory input. She says, “Let’s be curious!!!! Let’s be proactive! Let’s be flexible!”
To order Jessica’s books, go to ATN’s bookshop at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.
To learn more about her work go to her websites at www.BraveBrains.com and www.JessicaSinarski.com . Or – read Jessica’s blog posts, Understanding the BRAIN —> SENSES —> BEHAVIOR Connection and From Stuck and Suicidal to Feeling Safe and in Control .

Ep 45 - Preventing Childhood Sexual Abuse
In this episode Ginger and Julie invite Tracy Leonard into the studio. Tracy is the Programming and Partnership Manager at the non-profit, Darkness to Light. Darkness to Light empowers adults to prevent child abuse. She is also an authorized facilitator and certified instructor at Darkness to Light. The curriculum focuses on how to recognize, react, and respond to child sexual abuse. Tracy is also vital to ATN as a board member and the leader of the development team.
April is National Child Abuse Prevention Month, so this episode is very timely. The US Department of Health and Human Services recently put out their report for 2021 stating that 76% of all children experience neglect. 16% experience physical abuse and 10% experience sexual abuse… And realize - these are the reported cases.
Darkness to Light believes that it is an adult’s responsibility to protect children and it is a child’s responsibility to be a child. Listen in to learn more about the curriculum that Darkness to Light developed and presents. They focus on how to minimize the opportunity for sexual abuse. If it does happen, adults are taught how to react. Adults are also taught how to intervene if they see someone crossing the boundary by being an active bystander. Tracy says that it is amazing to see all the light bulbs go off during the training.
To learn more about the Darkness to Light program, to go https://www.d2l.org/ .

Ep 44 - Trauma in the Pews
In this Episode, Julie and Ginger welcome Dr. Janyne McConnaugheyinto the studio. Janyne has a long career in teaching, teacher education and an expertise in early childhood development. Dr. McConnaughey is a nationally known trauma-informed author, having lived with the effects of childhood sexual abuse from the time she was three years old until she entered therapy and began healing at the age of 61. Janyne joined ATN’s Board of Directors in 2019 and is now in her second year as the Board President. Her latest book is “Trauma in the Pews”.
Janyne’s mission with this book is to help ministry leaders understand what they are seeing in their congregations. What they are seeing is not a spiritual problem; What they are seeing is the impact of trauma. Janyne knows that there are a lot of books out there that look at this situation through a spiritual lens, but, as she says, “No - we must look at it through a trauma lens.”
To purchase any of Dr. McConnaughey’s books, go the ATN’s bookshop at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork. To learn more about her, go to her website at https://www.janyne.org/.
Janyne says that “without ATN, this book would not have been written.” Thank you Janyne for your service to both ATN and the trauma- informed movement.

Ep 43 - Exploring the River of Cruelty
In this episode, Julie and Ginger welcome Rebecca Lewis-Pankratz into the studio to talk about the concept of the River of Cruelty. Rebecca fought her way out of poverty and now works with communities and school across the US to solve poverty and heal trauma. She is a Co-Founder of the ESSDACK Resilience Team. What exactly is the River of Cruelty? It is a model showing how cruelty is passed from person to person and from generation to generation. How do people get out of the River? Listen in to understand how the Resilience Team helps with that mission. The team’s motto is, “In order to create more positive outcomes for children, we must focus on transforming the adults who are important in those children’s lives.” Rebecca coined the popular Resilience phrase “I see you, I hear you, I am with you.” This is the foundation for building resilience in ALL kids, parents and school staff.
To learn more about the Family Peace Initiative, go to https://www.familypeaceinitiative.com/ and to learn more about ESSDACK, go to https://www.essdack.org/.
To register for ATN’s Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference, go to https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference/.

Ep 42 - What is Blocked Care
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about the concept of “Blocked Care”. Drs. Daniel Hughes and Jonathan Baylin first coined this concept in their book, Brain Based Parenting. This book was written with foster parents in mind, but blocked care can also be experienced by teachers and other caregivers of children impacted by early childhood trauma. What exactly does blocked care mean to caregivers and how can we avoid it? What are the signs of blocked care? Julie says. “The first sign is when you are doing all the right things, but the child’s neurobiology is reacting negatively. Your brain begins to react because you aren’t getting a reciprocal relationship. You are going through the motions but begin to expect no connections. Basically, your heart suddenly isn’t in it anymore.” If this sounds like you, we want to assure you that you’re not alone. This happens almost instinctively as a way of protecting yourself, but Julie and Ginger discuss some ways to help you through it. Recognize that this is not unusual and there is no shame in feeling this way. This is how we are wired. Reach out to ATN! This is why we are here. We can help you find resources. To order a copy of the book, Brain Based Parenting, go to ATN’s bookstore at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.

Ep 41 - Trauma-Informed Teaching and IEPs
In this episode of Regulated and Relational, Julie and Ginger invite long-time ATN friend, Dr. Melissa Sadin into the studio. Simply put, Dr. Sadin is a developmental trauma expert. Along with being a published author, Dr. Sadin also works as an educational consultant providing professional development to school districts and parents. She is a highly sought-after keynote speaker and conference presenter. Melissa was a core member of the creation of ATN’s Trauma Informed-Education program, the largest gathering of Trauma-Informed Educators dedicated to building Trauma-Reformed schools. Melissa’s latest book is titled Trauma Informed Teaching and IEPs: Strategies for Building Student Resilience.
In her book, Dr. Sadin outlines her CARES framework. She discusses each area of this framework, and she provides us with direct examples of the implementation. Melissa says, “A trauma informed IEP is simply an IEP written by trauma informed people.”
To learn more about Melissa’s work, visit her website at www.Traumasensitive.com. To order her book, go to ATN’s bookshop: https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork. Here you will find a great collection of trauma-informed resources.
And for you parents – this book has great resources for use in the home as well!

Ep 40 - What Makes Mr. Chazz Tick?
In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Mr. Chazz Lewis into the studio. Mr. Chazz, a former Montessori school teacher, is an educational specialist, a keynote speaker, a parent consultant, and an influencer on social media. He is basically a dynamo, and his charisma is infectious!
Mr. Chazz discusses his concept of “See, Guide, Trust”. He acknowledges that there is no guidebook, so we need to make ourselves vulnerable and open to truly “see” the child. We then need skills to effectively “guide” them. Lastly, we need to “trust” that children are doing the best that they can. This shift is really about trying to understand the child and we must step in with curiosity.
When the pandemic came along, everything changed for schools and parents, and that was when Mr. Chazz decided to go on social media. To learn more about Mr. Chazz, go to his website: https://mrchazz.com/. From there, you can navigate to all his great social media posts.
Mr. Chazz says, “I’m really thankful for the kids that challenged me because it forced me to learn and grow.”
Mr. Chazz will be joining us at our 6th annual Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference in February 2023. To learn more, go to https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference/.

Ep 39 - The Regulated Classroom
In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Emily Daniels into the studio to talk about how to create a regulated classroom. Emily is a trainer, consultant, facilitator, leader, and author. Her book, The Regulated Classroom, Bottom Up Trauma-Informed Teaching, is a framework to help educators (classroom teachers, counselors, psychologists, OTs, para professionals, etc.) understand how to help themselves and their students regulate. She lays out four core practices that educators need to implement.
Emily says, “The adults are the beginning of all change. Emotions are contagious and the adult must be the co-regulator.” We find that hope inducing!
To learn more about Emily and her endeavors, go to her website at https://regulatedclassroom.com/. From there you can find out more about her trainings and order her book.
Emily will be joining ATN in Houston, TX in February of 2023 at our Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference as a Silver Sponsor! We are so excited about this opportunity to learn more about her work! See you there Emily!
If you are interested in learning more about our upcoming TSS Conference, go to https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference/. We hope to see you there as well!

Ep 38 - Brain-Body Parenting
In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Dr. Mona Delahooke into the studio. Dr. Delahooke discusses how to raise joyful and resilient children – and isn’t that the goal of us all! She is the author of three books, Social and Emotional Development, Beyond Behaviors, and Brain-Body Parenting, which was recently released. Mona says that we must remember, “We are never just a brain - our bodies instruct our brain.” So, what does that mean? How do our bodies instruct our brain? It is all about body budgeting! Everything that happens to us is either a withdrawal or a deposit into or out of our nervous system. We need to be conscious of the body budgeting of ourselves and our children. But remember - Its very individualized. There is no one way. Just know - no one can pour from an empty cup!
To purchase Dr. Delahooke’s books, go to ATN bookshop: https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork. Here you will find the largest collection of trauma related resources. You can also visit her website at https://monadelahooke.com/.

Ep 37 - Serve and Return
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about the concept of Serve and Return. This notion was introduced through the Center on the Developing Child at Harvard University. Harvard defines serve and return as “responsive interactions between children and the people who care for them and how those interactions help the children grow and reach their full potential.” So, what does that actually look like? Ginger outlines the five steps of serve and return and explains how we can implement them into our daily lives. Listen in to learn how to recognize what our children are serving to us and how we can return to them. At its core, it is all about attachment. Every child needs someone who is crazy about them, so go and be crazy about your kid!!!
Check out the website for the Center on the Developing Child for more incredible resources. https://developingchild.harvard.edu/

Ep 36 - Therapeutic Parenting 102
In this episode, Julie and Ginger continue their discussion of therapeutic parenting. If you are caring for a child with a trauma history, you know that therapeutic parenting is needed for the long haul, and we must make these strategies work. Co-regulation is vital, but how can we achieve it with our children? Ginger says, “We need to understand what a child can do and what they can’t do.” When they are in a position of fight, flight, or freeze, they can’t do what we are asking of them. Co-regulation is the answer to helping them get out of those states. Julie and Ginger also discuss the concept of do-overs and we all need do-overs in our lives!
Please reach out to us with your therapeutic parenting questions. We would love to help you. The Attachment & Trauma Network has a great many resources at our fingertips. Send an email to heart@attachtrauma.org. That’s what we are here for!

Ep 35 - Therapeutic Parenting 101
In the next two episodes, Julie and Ginger deep dive into the concept of therapeutic parenting. The healing of childhood trauma comes directly from relationships and a child’s biggest relationship is with their parents. We must be the buffer for the child. This is how resilience is created. Ginger says, “This is all about rewiring the child’s brain.”
The number one tenet of therapeutic parenting is safety. Safety always comes first. Listen in to learn what it means to have felt safety by all family members.
Hear what becoming a major league parent is all about! But... know that this hard work and we must give ourselves a lot of grace!
To order ATN’s Parenting Cards, go to our on-line store at: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/atn-store-parents/. You can find many great resources there!

Ep 34 - Helping Teen Brains with Improv
In this episode Julie and Ginger welcome Scott Kuenneke and Mary DeMichele into the studio.
Scott is an integral part of the CALO Programs Residential Treatment Facility clinical team and he oversees all Neurofeedback and QEEG brain maps for assessment and treatment. Mary developed “One Rule Improv”, a trauma-informed method of improv that creates a neurobiological change in the brain. Her method is used in classrooms, outpatient programs, foster care groups, group homes, RTCs and corporations.
The combined knowledge of these two individuals is amazing. They have aligned the techniques and strategies of improv with what actually happens in the brain and how that can become a healing tool.
Mary says that improv is great in the classroom because, “No matter what mood the students are in when they enter the classroom, improv puts everyone in a better state.”
To get more information about Mary’s method, go to www.OneRuleImprov.com. You can also email her directly at mary@oneruleimprov.com.
Join us on October 14 for our Compliance to Compassion event, a full day virtual event focusing on hope, reframing our lenses, and compassionate solutions in schools. Hope to “see” you there!

Ep 33 - A New School Year: Hopes and Challenges
Julie and Ginger invite Sandra Lake and James Moffett into the studio. They are both awesome trauma informed educators, and in this episode, they are discussing what it is like in schools this year versus last year. They both agree that safety and security are paramount, but how can that be accomplished in a non-traumatizing way? – Relationships. Its all about relationships. Sandra says, “Whatever amount of time you spend building relationships with your kids, double it. Double that time because the payout is huge.” James says that his school is making a move from focusing on “every” student to focusing on “each” student.
Listen in to find out what is a walk and talk, what is a tap in tap out, what is a hang out, what is a flip flop. These are the techniques they are using in their schools to help regulate not only the students, but also the staff.
What incredible words of wisdom they share!

Ep 32 - Secondary Traumatic Stress
In this episode, Julie and Ginger discuss Secondary Traumatic Stress. This is a hard topic to talk about, but it is so important. Ginger says, “Secondary traumatic stress is a very real thing, especially for caregivers and teachers who work with children impacted by trauma.”
Secondary traumatic stress is sometimes called vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, or even burnout. It occurs when you feel emotions from knowing about a traumatizing event that was experienced by another person. The best way to combat secondary traumatic stress is self-care. Self-care is about the nurturing of your body, mind, and spirit. Julie and Ginger outline the top ways to take care of yourself.
Listen in for some self-care strategies Figure out what works for you and begin to practice. “Practice” is the key word there. We will not be accomplished at self-care right away. It does take practice!
And… If you are a teacher, we have a great event just for you! Compliance to Compassion is a one-day virtual event focusing on managing behaviors in the classroom on Friday October 14th. There is an outstanding line up of speakers! Click here to learn more and to register: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/compliance-to-compassion-fall-event-supports-teachers-in-virtual-event/

Ep 31 - School Resource Officer & Trauma-Informed School Safety, talking with Becky Haas
Today Julie and Ginger welcome Becky Haas into the studio. Becky’s background is in working with Resource Officers in schools by training them to become trauma informed. Her training has become a model for cities nationwide. Through her position as the Director of the Crime Prevention Program in Tennessee, she saw a reduction in drug related crime by 40% in one neighborhood. That is huge!
Trauma informed approaches are often not taught to officers despite their close presence with students. Becky believes that police officers want to do a great job, they just need training on the impact of trauma. She also believes that getting representatives from the community to come together with a common focus is vital. Becky says, “Crime prevention can’t only involve police. This is community work!”
To learn more about Becky Haas and her work, go to www.BeckyHaas.com. Her site is rich with information. You can also reach out directly to her from her web page.
Join us for largest gathering of trauma sensitive educators at our upcoming Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Conference in February 2023. Registration is now open at www.attachtrauma.org/conference.

Ep 30: Advocating against Restraint & Seclusion - a conversation with Guy Stephens
Julie and Ginger welcome ATN friend Guy Stephens into the studio. Guy is a lifelong Marylander, a father, a husband and a child advocate. He began by advocating for appropriate accommodations and supports for his neurodivergent son, which led him to found the Alliance Against Seclusion and Restraint. He is working to change policy and practices around the use of seclusion and restraint at the local, state, and federal levels. Guy says, “The biggest thing you have to change is the culture. You have to get buy-in from superintendents, school administrators, and others.” We do have a lot of paradigm shifting to do.
The website for the Alliance Against Seclusion and Restraint is www.EndSeclusion.org. The organization also has a presence on FaceBook, Instagram, LinkedIn and YouTube. You can email Guy directly at guystephens@endseclusion.org
Join us on Friday, October 14 for Compliance to Compassion, a virtual learning event for teachers, paraprofessionals and all educators needing support and ideas in these challenging times. Click to register: https://events.zoom.us/e/view/vSrc1zKiSR2VoOCQ9NDobg

Ep. 29: Boundaries
In this episode, Julie and Ginger are discussing boundaries. They got a lot of insight from Brene Brown’s book, Atlas of the Heart. ATN’s Team R&R, an online community for educators, did a weekly dive into this great book. The recordings of the book study are available to Team R&R members.
Why is it so hard to set boundaries? Why is it the most hard for the givers? Why are boundaries so important? Brene says, “Boundaries are a prerequisite for compassion and empathy. You can’t connect with someone unless you are clear on where you end and where they begin.” Boundaries make us more authentic and build trust. These are traits that are vital to us all. Listen in and learn a new way of thinking about boundary setting.
To order your copy of Brene Brown’s Atlas of the Heart, visit ATN’s bookstore at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork. Here you will find the largest collection of trauma focused books.
To learn more about Team R&R, go to https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/teamrr/. Click Join Team R&R to gain access to a library of Trauma Sensitive School resources.

Ep 28: The Challenges of Using Praise
Today Julie and Ginger talk about praise and how to use it effectively in the home and in the classroom. They also discuss some of the challenges of praise, especially with children from a history of trauma. Why do our children often reject praise? How does encouragement differ from praise? What are some techniques you can use? First and foremost, praise MUST be sincere and sometimes you must approach praise from a counter intuitive lens. Our hosts share some ideas of how to do this, specifically by using drive by praising and indirect praising. Listen in for examples.
Visit ATN’s on-line store and view our Connected Messages Post It Notes at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/product/post-it-notes/. These notes pack a powerful punch.
And … Be sure to leave us feedback because we can always use a little praise (or constructive feedback) ourselves!

Ep 27: Disappointment and Expectations
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about their latest book study, Atlas of the Heart, by Brene Brown. ATN’s Team R&R, an online community for educators, is doing a weekly dive into this great book. One part of this book really stood out to Julie and Ginger, the chapter on Disappointment, Unmet Expectations and Regret. They said that we all have movies running in our heads showing the outcomes we expect, however, since life doesn’t always play out as expected, that leads to disappointment. Unexpressed expectations can lead to these disappointments. Communication is one key to alleviate it. Ginger’s favorite quote in this chapter from Brene is, “There are too many people in the world today who decide to live disappointed, rather than risk the feeling of disappointment.” Wow. What a quote that is!
To order your copy of Brene Brown’s Atlas of the Heart, visit ATN’s bookstore at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork. Here you will find the largest collection of trauma focused books.
To learn more about Team R&R, go to https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/teamrr/. Click Join Team R&R to gain access to a library of Trauma Sensitive School resources.

Ep 26: The Special Attachment Window of Young Adulthood: An Interview with Jack Hinman, Psy.D.
In this episode, Julie and Ginger welcome Jack Hinman into the studio. Jack is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and he has been providing mental health services to individuals and families for over 20 years. Jack specializes in Attachment Theory and Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). He focuses on helping young adults launch into adulthood through an attachment focused lens. Jack says that, “Connection is both the outcome and the intervention.” In mid-June, the Engage Transitions facility will be opening in Cedar City, Utah. This is a therapeutic community that gives young adults the confidence to safely explore their environment. The goal is to have the young adults create their own social networks using Engage as their secure base. To learn more about Engage, go to www.engagelifenow.com. You can also email Jack at Jack@engagelifenow.com. Jack proudly proclaims, “Attachment is my language.”

Ep 25: The Dangers of Social Media for our Teens- A Conversation with Jethro Jones
In this episode, Julie and Ginger welcome Jethro Jones into the studio to discuss social media and its impact on traumatized children. Jethro is the 2017 NASSP Digital Principal of the Year. He is a former principal and host of Transformative Principal. He is the founder of the Center for Cyber Ethics, an independent nonpartisan educational institute. He is an author of 2 books: SchoolX: How Principals Can Design a Transformative School Experience for Students, Teachers, Parents – And Themselves and How to be a Transformative Principal. Additionally, he works as a consultant in school systems. Jethro says. “We can’t expect children to do things that they aren’t ready for” and social media is one of those things. Jethro lays out some strategies for parents and teachers on how to help children navigate the social media world.
You can reach out directly to Jethro and order his books at www.JethroJones.com.

Ep 24: Using Stories to Heal: A Conversation with Jane Samuel
In this episode, Julie and Ginger have long-time ATN friend, Jane Samuel in the studio. Jane is a marriage and family associate whose practice focuses on children and families with an attachment-focused lens. Many of her clients are foster and adoptive families. In this episode, she talks about the value of narratives and storytelling. What exactly is a narrative? How can this be used in healing? Storytelling is useful in all settings – by parents, by teachers, and by clinicians. Jane also suggests that caregivers use books to open up discussions of hard topics. Jane has compiled a list of books that she recommends, organized by topics and feelings. For a list of books that Jane recommends, go here: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/Janes-book-list.pdf.
According to Dr. Curt Thompson, “We are the only mammals that narrate our lives.” What a gift we have!

Ep 23 Restorative (and Trauma-Informed) Practices in Schools: An Interview with Joe Brummer
In this episode, Ginger and Julie dive into Restorative Practices with Joe Brummer in the studio. Joe is an expert in developing trauma-informed and restorative approaches in schools and organizations. He is a consultant and author of the book, Building a Trauma-Informed Restorative School. This book can be ordered from ATN’s bookstore at Building a Trauma Informed Restorative School. Joe is also a member of ATN’s PD Collaborative, a group of trauma-informed educational experts available to provide PD training, consultation and support to school districts and organizations embarking on becoming trauma-informed.
Joe explains what Restorative Practices are and how these practices are implemented in schools. How do these practices differ from punitive practices and why do they work? Joe says, “The paradigm shift is the knowledge that the wrong-doing caused a break in relationships, not a break in rules.”
To get more information, or reach out to Joe, go to JoeBrummer.com.
For more information about ATN’s PD Collaborative, go here: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/atn-announces-new-pd-collaborative/.

Ep 22 - The Balance of Structure and Nurture
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about the delicate balance between structure and nurture. What are the differences in punishment, consequences, accountability, and discipline? These terms are defined and discussed to determine what works best when doing trauma informed, therapeutic parenting and why. We should always seek to understand what is underneath the child’s behaviors, and we need to ask why they are acting the way that they do. As Julie said, “None of this is easy. It’s all about establishing a connection. This cannot be done without a relationship.” Check out the new book by Dr. Mona Delahooke, Brain-Body Parenting: How to Stop Managing Behavior and Start Raising Joyful, Resilient Kids. Dr. Delahooke says, “Human beings don’t develop new strengths without some level of stretching, but it must be individualized.” This book can be ordered from ATN's bookstore at Brain-Body Parenting.
This episode is dedicated to the trail-blazing trauma-informed and attachment-focused work done by Larry Smith, LCSW. (1951-2016)

Ep 21: Building Resilience during Covid...A Reflection on What We've Learned
In this episode, Julie and Ginger reflect on what our lives have been like dealing with Covid and building resilience throughout the pandemic. Ginger says that “It’s important to recognize that we can be both overwhelmed AND hopeful at the same time.” What is meant by holding space for others in a time of chaos? In her book, The Art of Holding Space, Heather Platt says that holding space means “being willing to walk alongside another person on whatever journey they are on.” Julie and Ginger also point out that it is vital to accept that the only way to handle this is to take care of ourselves. If we don’t take care of ourselves, we can’t hold space for others. Everything is relational! And remember, even in a time of grief, don’t forget to play! Play is a gift! To purchase a copy of Heather Platt’s book, go to: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Holding-Space-Liberation-Leadership/dp/1989603475.

Ep 20: Reframing the Narrative with Jessica Sinarski, LPCMH
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk with Jessica Sinarski. She is a renowned mental health professional and author, having authored Riley the Brave, Riley the Brave Returns to School, and What’s Inside Your Backpack. Jessica’s superpower is making brain science accessible and entertaining for both children and adults. Jessica says that she loves to take “her brain nerdy self and marry it with what everyone needs to know about the brain and attachment and development”. In this podcast, Jessica explains exactly what she means by “Reframing the Narrative”. Find her books in ATN’s bookstore here: https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.
ATN is thrilled to have Jessica presenting a pre-conference workshop at our upcoming 5th Annual Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference, February 20-25, 2022. There's still time to register! Learn more at www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference

Ep 19: The Re-Set Process: An Interview with Dyane Carrere
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk with Dyane Carrere, educator, author, counselor, and staff developer. Dyane specializes in supporting students on the fringes. Her book, The Re-Set Process: Trauma Informed Behavior Strategies can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Re-Set-Process-Trauma-Informed-Behavior-Strategies/dp/1681254190.
Dyane describes the four steps of the Re-Set Process and explains how these steps can proactively help all students, not just those that are dysregulated. She discusses what behavior plans actually work and which ones are downright harmful. Visit her web site at https://dcarrereconsulting.wixsite.com/home.

Ep 18: Pushing Past Your Own Perspectives - Interview with Emily Meeks and Taneesha Thomas
In this episode, Julie and Ginger are joined by Taneesha Thomas and Emily Meeks of Focused Minds Education Group. Not only are they trauma informed, but they dive into how to address the cultural biases that we all have. We know about the 4 Rs of education, but what are the 4 Rs of equitable instruction? They recognize that being trauma informed and acknowledging our own biases go hand in hand. We all need to realize the truth in what Emily says, “Choosing love is a real choice.” To learn more about Focused Mind Education Group and to order their latest book, go to https://focusedmindsedugroup.com/

Ep 17: What is a Trauma-Informed School?
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk with Dr. Jenna Lichter, ATN’s Trauma-Sensitive Schools Coordinator. Listen in to learn more about trauma sensitive schools - what they are and what ATN does to support their creation. Dr. Lichter says, “It’s a culture shift. The school must realize the prevalence of trauma and its impact. There needs to be a recognition of the signs of trauma and the schools must have trauma informed reactions and a resistance to re-traumatization."
For more information about ATN’s Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference happening in February 2022, visit our website at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference/.
If your school is looking for trauma-informed training or consultation, contact our PD Collaborative at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/atn-announces-new-pd-collaborative/.
To reach Dr. Jenna Llichter, email her at Jenna@attachtrauma.org.
Learn how to be a leader in this movement!

Ep 16: Living Expertly, Truth Telling and Joy Stalking: A Conversation with Cissy White
In this episode, Julie and Ginger chat with Cissy White. Cissy is a self-proclaimed Joy Stalker and Truth Teller, and boy, is she ever! Her passion is to make trauma informed changes for survivors of trauma who are parenting with ACEs. With Julie and Ginger, Cissy discusses her path to healing. She says, “Trauma informed change must be led by survivors” and ATN could not agree more! In 2013, Cissy began her blog, Heal Write Now. You can read more at https://healwritenow.com/.

Ep 15: Holiday Hang-Ups
In this episode Julie and Ginger acknowledge that the holidays are not always full of cheer for all families. Children with traumatic experiences may not be able to embrace the joy of the season. How can we manage? Julie and Ginger share tools that have worked for them, but Julie says, “Sometimes you just have to think outside of the box.” They reference Kathleen Benckendorf’s list of trauma-informed gift ideas. The list can be found here: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/Gift-List.pdf
Their best advice – Take care of yourself! You must have something in your cup to be able to serve it up.
If this podcast has helped you, please consider joining our Giving Tuesday campaign. You can donate on Tuesday, November 30 or before/after. Now more than ever, children, families, schools and communities need ATN. Won’t you help us reach farther in 2022? -- www.attachtrauma.org/donate

Ep 14: Understanding Shame - Part 2
In this episode, Julie and Ginger revisit the concept of shame. Shame is a dangerous tool that leads to maladaptive behaviors. Ginger says that “Shame is much more likely to cause destructive behaviors than to cure them.” They explore the differences between empathy and sympathy by using Brene Brown’s video found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZBTYViDPlQ. If you want to learn more about how to become shame resistant and exercise self-compassion, visit Kristin Neff’s website at https://self-compassion.org/.
Don’t forget! Our 5th annual Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Conference is coming up in February! For more information about this conference go to: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference/ Here you can learn more about the conference and register. We hope to see you there!

Ep 13: Understanding Shame- Part 1
In this episode, Julie and Ginger introduce the concept of shame. According to Brene Brown, a world-renowned social worker with a focus on shame, shame is an “intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging.” What are the differences between shame, guilt, humiliation, and embarrassment and when are they harmful? Be sure to get your copy of Brene’s book, Daring Greatly, in ATN’s bookstore at ATN's Bookshop: Daring Greatly. Stick around and tune into Shame: Part 2 coming up next.

Ep 12: Exploring Burnout
In this episode Julie and Ginger discuss the New York Times bestselling book Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle. What is burnout? How do you know when you are approaching burnout? Burnout is highly prevalent, and it needs to be talked about. They point out strategies to avoid burnout and relieve burnout. The authors, Emily and Amelia Nagoski, dedicated their book to all the givers, so if you are a giver, this podcast is for you!
To order your copy of Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle go to: https://www.amazon.com/Burnout-Secret-Unlocking-Stress-Cycle/dp/198481706X EXCITING NEWS!!!!! Amelia Nagoski will be a keynote speaker at our 5th Annual Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference. Her session is entitled: "Burnout: What to do when you are overwhelmed and exhausted about everything you have to do and still worry that you aren’t doing enough." She will be virtually presenting on Friday, February 24, 2022. To learn more and to register, go to www.AttachTrauma.org/Conference.
Ep 11: How Big is Your Window?
In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about the Window of Tolerance, specifically what level of stress can we tolerate and grow from and what we can do when we are outside those windows of tolerance? What are hyper-arousal and hypo-arousal states? Why is this important? Julie says, “Our healthy relationships play a major role in how wide our window can get. To be seen and to be told that we matter are very powerful factors in helping us maintain our window of tolerance.” Be sure to watch these videos from Tracy Farrell to further understand the Window of Tolerance concept: The Window of Tolerance Reimagined: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVEDueyZ2C4 and The Panda’s Island of Regulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXE8DIMiv8Y

Ep 10: Why Rewards & Punishments Don't Always Work
Julie and Ginger discuss why rewards and punishments don’t work for traumatized children. What are rewards? What are punishments? What are consequences? Why don’t they work and what should we do? Alternative methods, where relationships are primary, are presented. They explore how to look underneath the behavior instead of simply punishing the behavior. Ginger says, “We want our children to get back up when knocked down. We want them to believe in themselves.” It’s important that children not see failure as an endpoint, but actually, a starting point to grow
Registration is open for our 5th annual Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference - Feb 20-25, 2022. There are both in-person & virtual options. For more information about this conference go to: www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference This conference is for educators and all who work in schools and child-caring organizations. Here you can learn more about the conference and register. It's a fantastic gathering of those leading and growing the trauma-informed education movement. We hope to see you there!

Ep 9: Back to School During a Pandemic, an Interview with Jen Alexander
Today, Julie and Ginger explore a timely topic - how to support students and staff returning to school during this pandemic. They are joined by Jen Alexander, a teacher, school counselor, trauma informed expert and author of Supporting Students and Staff after Covid 19. Jen says, “It's our job to notice the need and meet the need.” She explains how to do this in the classroom, school, family, and community.
Visit Jen’s website www.MsJenAlexander.com for more of her resources and to order her books. Her books can also be found in ATN’s bookstore at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.
Don’t forget about our upcoming virtual Standing Strong conference on September 13-15, 2021. It’s an event for those parenting/caregiving children impacted by trauma. Our focus will be on how to advocate for our children - at school and in other systems. For more information or to purchase tickets: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/atns-2021-standing-strong-conference-tickets-162816002045.

Ep 8: OMG! My Child Needs Special Education!
Today Julie and Ginger partner with Michele Nigliazzo, ATN’s Court Advocacy Director. They discuss the impact of discovering that your child needs Special Education services. They reveal that grief is a natural response. Listen to Julie, Ginger and Michele share how to best navigate IEP meetings. Michelle recommends two books on the subject: From Emotions to Advocacy and Special Education and the Law. Visit the Wright’s Law website, https://www.wrightslaw.com/, to learn even more.
Don’t forget about our upcoming virtual Standing Strong conference on September 13-15, 2021. This is an incredible opportunity to learn more about special education advocacy for children impacted by trauma (and others as well). Not to mention a great opportunity to experience the support and resources of ATN. For more information or to purchase tickets: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/atns-2021-standing-strong-conference-tickets-162816002045.

Ep 7: The Importance of Together
Today Julie and Ginger talk with Stephanie Garde, ATN’s Operation Manager to discuss peer support. Parent-to-parent support is the root of the foundation of the Attachment & Trauma Network. Stephanie explains that peer-to-peer support is so critical. She says “Peer support becomes so life-changing that once you’ve received it and you’re no longer in crisis mode, there’s a pull to ‘pay it forward’.” Listen as Julie, Ginger, and Stephanie talk about the core competencies of good support and discuss the pitfalls that some support groups fall into.
Are you a parent looking for tips on navigating the school system? Join us for our virtual Standing Strong conference on September 13-15, 2021. For more information or to purchase tickets: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/atns-2021-standing-strong-conference-tickets-162816002045.

Ep 5: Getting Back to "Normal": A Look at Collective Grief
What does it feel like as we start to get back to “normal”? Ginger and Julie are exploring the emotional impact of the pandemic...the collective grief. What is grief? How do we handle change? How do we help ourselves and others walk through these tremendous changes?
We’d love to hear your thoughts on today’s episode. Please email us at podcast@attachtrauma.org

Ep 6: What Trauma Looks Like in the Classroom
Today Julie & Ginger dig into how the impacts of trauma show up as behaviors in the classroom. While it’s not always easy to tell, we’re going to explore the ways that Fight, Flight, Freeze…and Fawn show up as behaviors and how we often misinterpret these as other things if we don’t look at the “why” under their behaviors. We’ll also explore some common learning challenges that children who have experienced significant abuse, neglect and maltreatment or have developmental delays.
Is your school considering implementing trauma-informed strategies this year? ATN’s new Professional Development Collaborative is here to help. These trauma-informed experts are available to provide PD training and consultation to help your district, school or organization create a trauma-informed system. Learn more at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/professional-development/
Learn more about ATN’s Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Program – our annual conference and more at https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/creating-trauma-sensitive-schools/

Ep 4: Why Regulated?
In Episode 4, Ginger & Julie dig into Regulation and why being Regulated is part of the title of our podcast. So what do we mean when we say regulated, or self-regulated? And how is this important skill taught? What happens if a child (you, or your children) missed this early step? How can we teach self-regulation?
Listen in as our hosts talk about the steps of helping a child to regulate and discuss many tools that can be used to help us all find a regulated state for ourselves…and help our children through co-regulation.
We’d love to hear what you think of the R&R Podcast. Please help us out with feedback. Send your questions or comments to podcast@attachtrauma.org

Ep 3: Why Relational?
In Episode 3, Ginger & Julie dig into Attachment – what it is and how it’s developed. We’ll take a look at Attachment Theory and the 5 attachment styles, as well as what attachment theorists mean when they say “good enough” parenting.
Definition to add to your vocabulary: Attunement is being able to tune in to your child’s emotional state. Allowing them to feel seen, known and understood at an emotional level. Providing nurture rather than making the child earn it. (Karen Buckwalter)
The following are additional resources about Attachment Theory:
· Harvard’s Serve & Return – building relationships with infants. https://developingchild.harvard.edu/science/key-concepts/serve-and-return/
· Attachment Theory in Action podcast https://attachmenttheoryinaction.podbean.com/
· The Place We Find Ourselves podcast: https://adamyoungcounseling.com/podcast/
· ATN’s Resource Directory – for locating trauma-informed/attachment-focused therapists https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/directory/

Ep 2: The Hope is in Resilience
The single most common factor for children who develop resilience is at least one stable and committed relationship with a supportive parent, caregiver or other adult. These relationships are the active ingredients in building resilience. A committed, stable adult buffers children from the full impact of a traumatic event...and can keep the stress from becoming toxic. - Dr. Jack Shonkoff, Harvard's Center on the Developing Child.
What is Resilience? How is it developed? Aren't some children just born resilient? How can stress be both good and toxic? What are protective factors...and how can we become a protective factor for the people in our lives?
Ginger Healy & Julie Beem explore the topics of resilience, toxic stress, and where the hope for healing from early childhood trauma lies.

Ep 1: What is Trauma?
In our first episode, we start at the beginning by defining "What is Trauma?" And discussing why creating a podcast at this point in time is a good idea. Our goal is always to inform, give insight and hopefully inspire you on your journey to becoming trauma-informed. As Julie says in this episode, "because trauma-informed isn't something you do...it's something you become."
Today's definitions of Trauma come from Dr. Bruce Perry (www.bdperry.com and www.childtrauma.org)
1. A psychologically distressing event that is outside the range of normal human experience. Trauma often involves intense fear, terror, helplessness. - 2009
2. an experience, or pattern of experiences, that impairs the proper functioning of the person’s stress-response system, making it more reactive or sensitive. - current definition informed by SAMSHA's Concept of Trauma
SAMSHA's Concept of Trauma: Individual trauma results from an event, series of events or set of circumstances that is experienced by an individual as physically or emotionally harmful or life threatening and that has lasting adverse effects on the individual's functioning and mental, physical, social, emotional, or spiritual well-being.
To learn more about the Attachment & Trauma Network, Inc.'s programs, membership and mission, visit www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org

Trailer: Regulated & Relational
Welcome to Regulated & Relational, the new bi-monthly podcast from the Attachment & Trauma Network.