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Spirit of Design

Spirit of Design

By Sustainability5.0

Spirit of Design delves deep into the unseen elements of design and holistic sustainability.

Join us for open conversations with creatives, scholars, activists and others, to envision alternative design futures that are diverse, inclusive, community-centric, and in symbiosis with ALL life on this planet.

It is our hope that these thoughtful conversations offer new guiding imageries for designers, creatives and anyone else feeling the disconnect of these turbulent times, so that we can work toward envisioning regenerative and connected futures.

Your hosts: Amie B. + Ania Z.
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The Importance of Beauty for Sustainability with Dorte de Jesus.

Spirit of Design Dec 17, 2019

Breaking the Rules

Breaking the Rules

Ep. #26 

Breaking the Rules with Amie B. + Ania Z. 

In today's episode we discuss breaking the rules for fashion, and what this could look like. In order to bring forth sustainable fashion futures we have to break the current rules that keep us constricted into how things are. Join us as we riff on these ideas. 

May 27, 202139:04
Truth Telling & Call-Out Culture

Truth Telling & Call-Out Culture

This week's new episode is another chat between us on a topic that is effecting us all - truth telling and call-out culture. 

In order to be able to bring in our desired futures and do expansive visioning we need to be able to hold space for multiple truths and creates safe spaces to share our truths. 

In this episode we explore:

+ our own experiences surrounding the current paradigm of calling people out and online shaming 

+ why there is no ultimate truth and truth as being contextual

+ how dogma in various environmental and social justice movements keeps us from missing the point

+ how we need to focus on what we actually want for the world 

and loads more...

We hope you enjoy this conversation, and we'd love to hear your thoughts on this pertinent topic. 

Ania & Amie xx

Feb 11, 202142:20
Future Fashion Visions

Future Fashion Visions

Welcome back to season two of Spirit of Design Podcast!
We are so excited for all that we have to share with you on the podcast this year, but to kick off 2021 our first offering for the year is our vision for the future of fashion.
Visioning is such a powerful exercise, and we encourage you to make it your own and bring it with you into 2021!

- Amie and Ania
Jan 27, 202108:14
Connection to Place with Amie & Ania

Connection to Place with Amie & Ania

Today's episode is an exploration the importance of connection to place for sustainable fashion futures.

Ideas we explore in this episode:

Asking where does connection to place fit within fashion?

How do you connect with a place when you are displaced from your traditional roots?

Reponsibility to place.

Being in a reciprocal relationship with place 

Rethinking fashion education- what if we began with place?

Truth is never absolute but emerges from place and therefore multiple truths can exist. 

and so much more...

Mentions and Resources:

Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World by Tyson Yunkaporta



Dec 10, 202047:51
Rest as Power with Amie B. + Ania Z.
Nov 10, 202056:36
Responsible Fashion Photography with Eunice Pais

Responsible Fashion Photography with Eunice Pais

Date: 03/09/2020
Ep. 21 Responsible Fashion Photography with Eunice Pais

This week our guest is Eunice Pais. Eunice is a self-taught ethical fashion photographer based in Portugal.
Her journey in photography started three years ago with a question: “Can photography be responsible ?”
Through partnering with ethical fashion brands she was able to develop and implement environmentally and socially positive methods of work in her fashion productions.
This year, she decided to elevate the initial personal project even further. By creating an agency that promotes carbon neutral and regenerative systems of opportunity in photo productions, she can champion ethics in image making while pushing for a more equitable industry.
Using photography as an agent of change.
This week's episode with Eunice was a deep exploration of what it means to be a responsible photographer, artist and storyteller.
We hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did!

We explore:
-What it means to be a responsible photographer and storyteller
-Representation and inclusion in image making and fashion
-Elder wisdom
-Sustainability as not only a political and social, but also an artistic stance
-The need for reconciliation in the fashion industry
...and much more.
“There is a difference between working with responsible fashion brands and being a responsible photographer. You can tag along with the former but you must be the latter.” -Eunice Pais

Resources and mentions:
You can find all of Eunice’s tutorials on Responsible Fashion Photography on her Instagram profile.
You can find Eunice online at:
To find out more about Sustainability 5.0 and Spirit of Design podcast you can go to:
Sep 03, 202054:45
Zero Waste Fashion Design with Holly McQuillan

Zero Waste Fashion Design with Holly McQuillan

Date: 19th August, 2020. 

In today’s episode we chat to Holly McQuillan. Holly McQuillan’s work in the field of zero waste fashion design, articulates sustainable fashion systems and practice. She focuses on issues such as transition design, the impact of technology and how these can challenge established design, production and use practices. Holly co-authored Zero Waste Fashion Design with Timo Rissanen and together they are currently writing the second edition. She also co-curated Yield: Making fashion without making waste, the first contemporary exhibition focussing on zero waste fashion, and developed the award winning open-source zero waste resource Make/Use. Her work always seeks to broaden the impact of zero waste and sustainable fashion design through research, publication, workshops and lectures. Currently she is a PhD candidate in Artistic Research at the Swedish School of Textiles exploring zero waste systems thinking through the innovative design and production of textile-forms. 

We chat about zero-waste design thinking, aesthetics, using technology for fashion futures, evolving designer roles, fashion post-covid and so much more. This was one expansive conversation that we hope you’ll enjoy! 

Resources + Mentions: 

- Website - 

- Instagram - @holly_mcquillan Make/ Use - 

- Zero Waste Design Collective - 

- Timo Rissanen - 

- Doughnut Economics by Kate Raworth - 

- Clo3D digital fashion software - 

- Kathryn Walters Textiles - 

- Earth Logic Fashion Action Research Plan - 

- Fully Automated Luxury Communism -

Aug 19, 202001:22:26
Expansive Visioning for Fashion

Expansive Visioning for Fashion

Expansive Visioning for Fashion - Podcast Ep. 19

This episode was our favourite joint episode we’ve recorded together so far. We’ve been feeling the need to really explore visions for a new fashion future and in this episode we share some of our ideas, some of the visionaries whose work has inspired us, and we try to push the boundaries of imagination for what is possible in the future of fashion. 

We chat about things like: 

- Encompassing a balance of the feminine and masculine energies 

- The role of technology in our futures 

- A balance between the spiritual and physical worlds. 

- Returning Earth to the commons

- Gifting economies

- De-gendering fashion

- New money systems and questioning and rethinking the social agreements we have made 

- Dismantling the hierarchy of fashion with percentage based salaries.

- Partnerships vs. “representation and inclusion”

Guiding questions: 

- 10x thinking: Think of what you want and expand it by 10, 100 (question borrowed from Hayley Carr).

- What would this ideal future look like 10 times? 100 times? (question borrowed from Hayley Carr). 

- If we were already there, in our ideal fashion future, what would we be doing differently? (Hayley Carr) 

- What does fashion/ design look like when it goes beyond creating more things? When it is based upon cultivating relationships, community, care towards ourselves, one another and the Earth? 


- Hayley Carr - Dissolve Problems by Thinking Bigger (a guide) podcast episode: 

- De-gendering fashion by Alok Vaid-Mennon, on the Conversations with Jason Campbell and Henrietta Gallina: 

-Sacred Economics by Charles Eistenstien - 

- Robin Wall Kimmerer - Braiding Sweetgrass

Aug 03, 202001:13:04
Reflections on Race and Privilege with Amie & Ania
Jun 16, 202057:43
 Meaningful Sustainability with Bandana Tewari

Meaningful Sustainability with Bandana Tewari

This week our guest is Bandana Tewari. She is a lifestyle editor, bad-ass sustainable activist and formerly held the prestigious position of editor-at-large, as well as the fashion features director of Vogue India. She now writes for Business of Fashion, and speaks internationally on India’s fashion craft traditions, the lessons of Ghandi and the place of consciousness in fashion.

In this episode we talk about everything from spirituality and fashion, to the Western world's long history of appropriation and extractive relationships with Indian and other cultures, the impacts  of colonization and capitalism, and importance of culture and diversity moving forward.

Its a rich and deep conversation and I hope you get as much out of it as I did.

We chat about:

-The lessons of Ghandi and the khadi movement

-Cultural appropriation and extractive relationships with ‘developing’ nations

-The importance of cultural diversity

-Spirituality and sustainability

-Ancient wisdom of Vedanta

Resources + mentions:

Cultural Intellectual Property Rights Initiative:

Craftsmanship for Green Future

Follow Bandana on:




Business Of Fashion

Jun 02, 202045:27
Post-Corona Futures with Peta Kelly

Post-Corona Futures with Peta Kelly

Date: 21 April 2020

This week our guest is Peta Kelly.
Peta earned a first-class honors degree but at the age of 22, following an unseen pull towards something more, she dropped her Ph.D. and future career as a science nerd. Driven by a desire to retire her mum and change the narrative for the millennial generation she started her first business pursuit in network marketing and went on to be earning 7 figures a year by the age of 26. Setting her up to be able to do all the things her soul called her to.
She's the jeaniius behind The New Way Live events, Supercharged program, Earthess and a bunch more. She is one of the most generous angel givers I know, the author of Earth is Hiring, Earth is Hiring for kids and last week launched her newest book Stop Missing the Point.
When it comes to business and creativity she has so much grounded brilliance to share with our generation.
With the offering of this episode, we honor everyone's experience of this moment right now. For some the global pandemic has been a time of heightened creativity and a welcome break from the chaos of everyday schedules, a time to spend with family. For others its been a terrifying experience facing financial insecurity or the loss of loved ones. Without bypassing any of the very real experiences that people are going through right now this conversation is a very forward-thinking one. We explore what the coronavirus means now and for the future and how essential personal choice is for creating a future that is fairer for all. Peta shares thoughts on the future of money and business and a whole bunch more.
As always, take what feels good for you and leave whatever doesn’t. I hope this episode leaves you feeling energized about our shared futures.

In this episode we explore:
Why the coronavirus pandemic was the only way we could have a collective shift in reality
Shifting focus from on our systems and money being to blame to self-responsibility
How important owning your own choices are and on consciously choosing for things to be different
Rethinking our stories about how “it’s not realistic” and “the systems not set up to support me”
The role of culture in the future
Money and business post-corona
When our souls work can become self-neglect
Humility and the collective and individual lessons brought by coronavirus

Resources + mentions:
Find Peta on instagram-
Buy Petas books/programmes:
Earth is Hiring
Earth is Hiring for Kids
Stop Missing the Point
Scripting Mess-ta-class
Charles Eisenstein podcast-

Apr 21, 202059:16
Designing Alternatives to Animal Materials with Naomi Bailey-Cooper

Designing Alternatives to Animal Materials with Naomi Bailey-Cooper

Today’s conversation is with Naomi Bailey-Cooper, a textiles designer, artist and researcher, whose research focuses upon designing alternatives to animal materials. Naomi received a funding award from the Victoria & Albert Museum and London College of Fashion for her PhD by practice where she pioneered embellishment alternatives to fur and exotic animal materials. Her work places an emphasis on the sensory tactility, layering and aesthetic richness of materials. As well as developing fashion and textile artefacts, Naomi delivers talks and facilitates workshops which examine approaches that can be applied to creating alternatives to animal materials. In this episode we explore; Her PhD research and practice and what she discovered about the appeals of fur, feathers, reptile skins and other exotic animal materials used in clothing. The research she conducted at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London, where she gained exclusive access to never exhibited archives. How designer’s can explore deeper values within their work and begin to shift current design practices toward ethical and long-lasting products. The importance of creating opportunities for people to come together and share varied perspectives. Future visions and paradigms shifts needed for the fashion industry. The importance of moving away from animal derived materials. Her artist residency in the Amazon recording rare insect species through textile embellishments. The energetics of unsustainable materials and processes + loads more. Resources + mentions: Naomi’s Website. Fashioned from Nature exhibition at the V&A Delft Fur Report Design Against Crime research centre at the University of the Arts London Labverde - Art immersion program in the Amazon Planthopper Nymph insect This was such an inspiring and thought provoking convo - we hope you enjoy! 
Apr 07, 202001:07:46
The Vibration of Materials with Amie + Ania

The Vibration of Materials with Amie + Ania

Ep. 14 - The Vibration of Materials with Ania & Amie Date: 10th March, 2020. In today’s episode we explore the vibration of our material culture - how our things/ materials/ clothing holds energetic frequencies, and how we as designers and users contribute to this. We chat about: The energetic and unseen consequences of unsustainable supply chain’s on both makers, the planet and the people using the final products. The discarding of clothing as linked to the wearer feeling the trauma within the supply chain that it took to create that piece. How things produced with love, slowness and care carry a higher frequency than one with chemicals, exploitation and extraction. Marie Kondo’s ‘the art of tidying up’ revolution that sees people asking themselves whether their things spark them joy. Dr. Masaru Emoto’s scientific research on the molecular structure of water that evolves through energetic frequencies. The importance of care and reverence toward our material culture, both physically and energetically. How sustainability can begin by first looking within ourselves as designers and creatives. + Loads more…. Even if this idea is a bit out there or ‘woo-woo’ for you, we invite you to open yourself up to this possibility even in a speculative sense and see what arises. Resources + Mentions: Dr. Masaru Emoto - Marie Kondo - Join us for our first Virtual Roundtable Series of this year, exploring - Rethinking Supply Chains - March 16th 8am Sydney/ 10am NZT/ 9pm March 15th London/ 4pm 15th March NY/ 10pm 15th March Berlin Add yourself to the Skype group on the day and comment with your name and location and we will group call you, link:
Mar 10, 202042:15
Rethinking Fashion Supply Chains with Amie + Ania
Feb 25, 202049:57
Business from a New Paradigm with Makenzie Marzluff

Business from a New Paradigm with Makenzie Marzluff

Todays episode is actually the audio from the very first guest interview we ever did, back before Spirit of Design podcast existed when we were doing our weekly Instagram live chats. 

This conversation still stands as one of the most potent and powerful we’ve had so far. 

Todays episode is with our beautiful friend Makenzie Marzluff. 

Makenzie is a social entrepreneur who believes in the powerful impact that products, brands and conscious business practices have on both humanity and the planet.

Makenzie has had 4 startups, graduated from the highly acclaimed incubator SEEDSPOT, has featured on Shark Tank and has a genuine passion and expertise for food concepts. Has grown a multi-million dollar a year Dessert Hummus company which began out the back of her van. She is also the founder of Kakao Drinking Chocolate and was hugely instrumental in bringing ceremonial kakao to the modern world.

Makenzie is one of the most courageous women we know, she leads from a heart centered paradigm that is profoundly different from the traditional way of doing business and in doing so has experienced miracle after miracle. Makenzie is a wise woman when it comes to heart centered business and we don’t use the word wise lightly.

This episode is super expansive and explores the possibilities for business when we look beyond the current accepted paradigm.

We hope that this episode really challenges you and invites you to look at business differently than what is considered normal.

Resources + links:

Delighted By Hummus: The Original Dessert Hummus™

KAKAO Ceremonial Drinking Chocolate

Feb 10, 202058:49
Values & Imagination with and beyond
Jan 27, 202001:00:27
Regenerative Textiles with Beto Bina

Regenerative Textiles with Beto Bina

Date: 14th Jan 2020. 

Today’s episode is with Beto Bina, and is centered around his work in regenerative textile systems and agroforestry. Beto has been working at the intersection of Strategy, Innovation and Sustainability for over 14 years, helping clients such as Nike, Samsung, Verizon and J&J to grow through products, services and communications. His career in the creative industry has given him awards such as Cannes Young Lions, Effies Awards and he has been recognized on Medium as a top writer in Sustainability and as a mentor at SxSW. 

His latest venture is called FARFARM, a start-up that is developing a Textile Agroforestry in the Brazilian Amazon. Most recently, he has joined the team of VEJA, coordinating sourcing and looking for responsible materials throughout Latin America. 

In this episode we explore; 

- Beto’s journey from leaving a high profile New York job to working on a purpose-driven start-up in the Amazon. 

- Agroforestry farming methods and how its processes can assist us in addressing the challenges of climate imbalances, help regenerate the planet, and provide sustainable development to communities. 

- How Farfarm has started creating textiles grown in these regenerative ways and what they are hoping to achieve through this. 

- How the term ‘sustainability’ has become vulgarised, and new stories that we can tell in our work toward a more equitable future. 

- Nature as a foundation and as an ultimate KPI (key performance indicator), the new marker for success. 

- Beto’s role at Veja, and the innovative and responsible work that they are doing on a massive scale. 

- Future visions for both Farfarm and Veja, + loads more. 

This was such an eye-opening episode to record, where we learnt a whole lot. We hope you do too! 

Resources + mentions: 

Fafarm - regenerative agricultural textile methods.
Farmfarm’s partner - Larissa O’Duarte
Ernst Grosch - Life in Syntropy
reNature Foundation
Preta Terra
Dr. Vandana Shiva - Environmentalist and activist
‘Sef-deception of Fashion’ by Beto Bina.
‘Flourishing’ - by John Ehrenfeld and Andrew Hoffman
Veja shoes.
Jan 13, 202001:00:50
Reflections and Intentions for the past decade and 2020
Dec 30, 201908:54
5 Elements of Sustainability with Ania & Amie

5 Elements of Sustainability with Ania & Amie

In this episode, we unpack the 5 elements of Sustainability 5.0: Spirit, Earth, Ancient Wisdom, Community, and Self. Together these 5 elements form what we believe are the foundational pillars for holistic sustainability for design. Through this episode we briefly explore each of these elements, what they mean, alongside examples of these elements in practice.
This episode is here to act as a guide and overview of the 5 elements before we delve deeper into each one individually in later episodes.

Resources + Mentions:

Dr. Monica Gagliano - scientist and researcher of plant cognisance.

Dr. Masaru Emoto - author of The Hidden Messages in Water on experiments with the vibration and frequency of water.

Earth is Hiring by Peta Kelly - tapping into the spirit of your business.

Fafarm - regenerative agricultural textile methods.

Fibre Shed - local textile and clothing communities.

Botanical Inks - natural dye studio in Bristol UK.

Personhood granted to Wanganui river.

Saving the Planet with Indigenous Knowledge by Dr. Daniel Wildcat.

Zazi - artisan fashion community.

FFORA - functional and beautifully designed accessories for people in wheelchairs.

Lissome - sustainable fashion publication.

Mindfulness apps - Headspace, Insight Timer.

Dec 23, 201957:10
The Importance of Beauty for Sustainability with Dorte de Jesus.

The Importance of Beauty for Sustainability with Dorte de Jesus.

Date: 17th Dec 2019.

Today’s conversation is with creative Dörte de Jesus.

Dorte worked as an art director for boutique design studios and magazines such as ELLE Germany, before she launched the independent, mindful fashion publication Lissome Magazine in spring 2016. Since then, Lissome has organically grown into a core team in Berlin, and a wider international community of writers, photographers and stylists. Its first annual print edition was launched in December this year (2019), and presents a new holistic vision on what sustainable fashion could be.

We chat about:

Dorte’s creative journey.
What holistic beauty looks like, and the role it can play in the transition to a more sustainable world.
Why Dorte decided to turn the Lissome Magazine into a physical print edition.
Why we shouldn’t completely cease producing and buying fashion and other products.
What content the Lissome print magazine presents that makes it different to any other sustainable fashion and design magazine currently out there.
How designers can include elements of beauty within what they create, but still be responsible and mindful toward the Earth and people.
Plus loads more...

We are so excited to bring this conversation to you today. Enjoy!

Resources + links:

Dorte de Jesus.

Lissome Magazine. 

Purchase your copy of the new Lissome print edition here. 

Kate Fletcher’s Sustainable Fashion & Textiles Book - Design Journey’s

On Being Podcast with Krista Tippett in conversation with John O’Donohue, ‘The Inner Landscape of Beauty’.

Berlin zero waste restaurant - Frea

Dec 17, 201901:13:58
Intuitive Trends with Tanja Glissmann

Intuitive Trends with Tanja Glissmann

This week’s episode is with Tanja Glissmann, the founder and owner of the intuitive trend agency Sunshine Trends & the sustainable fashion label Black Velvet Circus.

In this episode tanja shares what intuitive trend forecasting is, how she defines trends and why they are still important in moving forward toward a sustainable world. Tanja shares about why the creation of new, beautiful and thoughtfully made products is still so important in these times of planetary crisis. We speak about how she runs her business guided by intuition and heart. We also explore ideas around sovereignty.

Photo Credit: Roman Dachsel

Resources + Links:

Tanja Glissmann  -  @tanjaglissmann

Black Velvet Circus  -  @blackvelvetcircus   /

Read Tanja’s recent interview in the new print edition of the Lissome, that can be purchased here  -

Dec 10, 201947:28
Design Rhythms with Ania & Amie
Dec 02, 201938:06
Fashion & Patriarchy with Ania & Amie
Nov 25, 201901:00:43
Diversity and Design with Amie Berghan

Diversity and Design with Amie Berghan

Amie is a sustainable fashion designer, creative and word-artist. Her research and practice focuses on the intersections of fashion design, indigenous earth-based knowledge, spirituality, community, and exploring what a decolonized futures could look like. She is also the co-creatress of Sustainability 5.0 + Spirit of Design podcast. In this episode, Amie takes us on a journey of exploration around what decolonized futures could look like, the importance of diversity in design for resilient and sustainable futures, sustainability as the ‘new frontier’ and more. This episode was a juicy one and we’re excited to share it with you! 

Other concepts we chat about: 

Decolonization of the fashion industry.  Sustainability as the ‘new frontier’.  What is a ‘missionary complex’?  The connection between cultural diversity and biological diversity.  Culture lead sustainability solutions. 

Resources and mentions: 

Fashion Revolution: why the real revolution should be the decolonization of the fashion industry: The Lissome:  Pre-order your copy of Lissome’s debut print issue here:  Zazi Vintage + Jeanne de Kroon: +  Linguistic diversity tied to biodiversity:  Vine Deloria, Jr. + Daniel Wildcat, Power and Place:  Source map has tracked fashions colonial trade routes:  Sustainability 5.0 +  Amie Berghan
Nov 18, 201956:11
Eco-spirituality and Design with Ania Zoltkowski

Eco-spirituality and Design with Ania Zoltkowski

Ania is a sustainable fashion designer, educator and researcher, passionate about creating fashion futures that are resilient, creative, mindful and inclusive. She is also the co-creatress of Sustainability 5.0 and Spirit of Design podcast. In this episode, Ania dives into eco-spirituality and its place within the design process. Ania shares how eco-spirituality can provide a framework for holistic sustainability as well as the importance of community during this time. This was a really powerful episode and we’re excited to share it with you! Other concepts we chat about: Redefining success markers. Ecologising the fashion space. How brands market to our disconnection and how to begin walking ourselves home to connectedness. Fast fashion as a necessary catalyst for change. Guiding questions for designers from Ania’s’ Spirit Design Cards. Resources and mentions: The Lissome Pre-order your copy of Lissome’s debut print issue here: Tanja Glissmann - Intuitive Trend Agency + Black Velvet Circus Sustainability 5.0 + Ania Zoltkowski +

Nov 11, 201901:01:50
Introducing Spirit of Design Podcast
Nov 11, 201928:07
Spirit of Design trailer

Spirit of Design trailer

Spirit of Design delves deep into the unseen elements of design and sustainability.

Facilitated by Amie & Ania, designers based in Australia and New Zealand, that felt there were missing elements from the sustainability conversation.

Through leading conversations with designers, scholars, activists, philosophers and others, we explore the many elements of holistic sustainability for the design spaces.

We adventure into interdisciplinary concepts surrounding ecology, Indigenous and ancient wisdom, spirituality, decolonization, holistic activism, and more.

It is our hope that these thoughtful conversations offer new guiding imageries for designers, creatives and anyone else feeling the disconnect of these turbulent times, so that we can work toward envisioning regenerative and connected futures.

Launching 11.11

Nov 11, 201901:03