
The Messy Middle Podcast
By The Messy Middle Podcast
Chatting all things fitness, metabolism, female physiology, running, lifting, hybrid training, and between.

The Messy Middle Podcast Apr 19, 2021

Episode 62: Make zone 2 cardio training easier, why it's so hard & tough love.
Join Doc Lyss in this solo episode as she covers all things Zone 2; what it is, why it may feel frustrating or hard, how to make it easier, and the science behind adaptations. Enjoy and see you out there! 🎧
✨ eBooks Discount Code for 10% Off: ZONE2YT 🎥 Running Zones: https://youtu.be/K3hF3dWe9Ro 🎥 Metabolism & Energy Systems: https://youtu.be/V8hF-K3_VL0 ⏰ Time Stamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:30 - Giveaway 🥳 2:35 - Episode Overview 3:05 - What is Zone 2? 7:45 - HR with Zones 8:45 - Why it Feels Hard 10:55 - Gaining Fitness 14:30 - Run/Walk Option 16:45 - Season of Base Building 18:41 - Cross-Training 21:00 - Running Slow is a Skill 22:00 - Talk Test 25:40 - This Takes TIME 31:50 - Threshold Test 33:15 - Do Other Things Suffer? 38:15 - Real Talk with Yourself 40:00 - Keep Going!! ⭐️ Follow Alyssa on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/doclyssfitness/ ⭐️ Follow The Lyss Method on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thelyssmethod/ 🤘🏻Train with us in The Lyss Method where we do ‘hybrid’ training on YOUR terms. We offer lifting, running and cardio programs for every fitness level and schedule. → https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method 🏃🏻♀️Learn more about the science of running, lifting or hybrid training. → ENDURE RUNNING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3mRee7u → HYBRID ‘HOW TO’ EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly → TRAIN LIFTING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/32KiC1q 🧡 Shop my favorite supplements, gear, skincare and products here. → https://doclyssfitness.com/products-i-love

Episode 61: 50 Mile Ultra Marathon Race Recap
In today's solo episode with Doc Lyss herself, she recaps her entire 50 mile ultra marathon experience! From the days leading up to the race to all the things that happened within those 12 hours, Lyss covers it all and you're not going to want to miss this! Videos/Podcasts Referenced: 🎥 Everything I Packed to Run 50 Miles: https://bit.ly/46U9IKB 🎥 My First Ultra in 3 Years: https://bit.ly/40rP5mq 🎥 Return to Ultra Playlist: https://bit.ly/3FO3eAX 🎧 Training, Tapering and Running Q&A: https://bit.ly/3QKAzDb 🎧 Returning to Running After My Injury: https://bit.ly/3u7xPXN 🎧 So, You Want to Run an Ultra?: https://bit.ly/3MuaYf5 ⏰ Time Stamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:57 - Why I Chose This Race 3:30 - The Course 4:41 - Days Leading Up to Race 8:18 - Race Morning 8:42 - Humid/Weather 9:25 - First Section & My Approach 11:07 - First Aid Station 15:00 - Salt Drink Madness 17:35 - In My Head 20:45 - Creek Dips 22:20 - See What I’m Made Of 23:10 - Playlist Saga 27:58 - Why I Puked 35:50 - Chugging Coke 42:40 - A GOOD DAY 49:00 - Wrap Up 50:00 - Recovery/Post Race/Fuel 52:50 - Training Game Plan ⭐️ Follow Alyssa on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/doclyssfitness/ ⭐️ Follow The Lyss Method on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thelyssmethod/ 🤘🏻Train with us in The Lyss Method where we do ‘hybrid’ training on YOUR terms. We offer lifting, running and cardio programs for every fitness level and schedule. → https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method 🏃🏻♀️ Learn more about the science of running, lifting or hybrid training. → ENDURE RUNNING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3mRee7u → HYBRID ‘HOW TO’ EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly → TRAIN LIFTING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/32KiC1q 🧡 Shop my favorite supplements, gear, skincare and products here. → https://doclyssfitness.com/products-i-love

Episode 60: Planning Strength and Muscle Building Seasons
In today's solo episode with Doc Lyss herself, she talks all things strength seasons and why you need one! She also covers how to map it out in your yearly schedule and MUCH more. Happy Lifting! 🎧
⏰ Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - What Are Strength Seasons?
1:40 - How to Implement Proper Sets/Reps
3:03 - Volume and Adaptations
3:35 - Adjusting Running Volume
4:40 - How to Do It
5:18 - Choosing Season Duration
8:10 - Benefits of Muscle
9:00 - Balancing it All
10:00 - Awesome Sponsors
11:40 - What do you ACTUALLY Need?
15:00 - The Goal is to LOAD Properly
17:00 - Intensity Also Matters
18:30 - Increasing Weekly Sets
21:20 - Importance of Nutrition/Fueling and Sleep
24:50 - Measurable Progressive Training (TLM)
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https://www.instagram.com/thelyssmethod/
🤘🏻 Train with us in The Lyss Method where we do ‘hybrid’ training on YOUR terms.
We offer lifting, running and cardio programs for every fitness level and schedule.
→ https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method
🏃🏻♀️ Learn more about the science of running, lifting or hybrid training.
→ ENDURE RUNNING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3mRee7u
→ HYBRID ‘HOW TO’ EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly
→ TRAIN LIFTING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/32KiC1q
🧡 Shop my favorite supplements, gear, skincare and products here.
→ https://doclyssfitness.com/products-i-love
→ Legion Code "DOCLYSS"

Episode 59: Training, tapering & running Q&A
In this solo episode, Doc Lyss talks in depth about her approach to training this year for her 50 milers, how she approaches taper, and pre-race thoughts, and answers YOUR running and racing questions at the end! → Follow Alyssa and her training programs on Instagram: ◇ @doclyssfitness // @thelyssmethod → Train with us in The Lyss Method where we do ‘Hybrid’ training on YOUR terms. ◇ We offer lifting, running and cardio programs for every fitness level and schedule. ◇ https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method Want to learn more about the science of running, lifting or hybrid training? Checkout our fan-favorite eBooks. → ENDURE RUNNING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3mRee7u → HYBRID HOW TO EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly → TRAIN LIFTING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/32KiC1q → You can shop the podcast’s favorite supplements LEGION here with code DOCLYSS: ◇ https://shorturl.at/cyXY3

Episode 58: Returning to Running After Injury (My Recovery & Mindset Approach)
In this solo episode, Doc Lyss talks in depth about her injuries over the last few months and how she navigated returning to training and running, signing up for a 50 miler, moving through life hecticness and everything in between.
🎥 Time Stamps: 0:00 - Intro 0:47 - Rate, Review & Subscribe 1:13 - Injury Explanation/What Happened 5:40 - Importance of Starting Slow 6:50 - Shifting Cardio Modalities 9:07 - Summer Walk/Run Plan 11:15 - Second Injury in Colorado 13:05 - Life Stress 16:01 - Intentional Strength Training 18:04 - We Always Something to Work On 19:50 - Pain vs Soreness vs Injury 22:10 - Back to Running Tiered Approach 27:20 - Prioritizing Vert Training29:15 - What is Our Why & Showing Up34:00 - Keep Going36:50 - The Comeback38:00 - Have People in Your Corner39:12 - Wrap Up → Follow Alyssa and her training programs on Instagram: ◇ @doclyssfitness // @thelyssmethod → Train with us in The Lyss Method where we do ‘Hybrid’ training on YOUR terms. ◇ We offer lifting, running and cardio programs for every fitness level and schedule. ◇ https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method Want to learn more about the science of running, lifting or hybrid training? Checkout our fan-favorite eBooks. → ENDURE RUNNING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3mRee7u → HYBRID HOW TO EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly → TRAIN LIFTING EBOOK: https://bit.ly/32KiC1q → You can shop the podcast’s favorite supplements LEGION here with code DOCLYSS: ◇ https://shorturl.at/cyXY3

Episode 57: WOMEN AND CREATINE, should you take it?
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she dives into some of the most common questions about creatine and women she often gets. If you missed our first podcast on creatine -- all things creatine, be sure to go back and listen to that!
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Episode 56: What is Hybrid Training?
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she dives into what hybrid training (or concurrent training) truly means and how to take a seasoned approach in YOUR hybrid training to support longevity and your varying goals across the year.
- 'HYBRID' EBOOK: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly
- THE LYSS METHOD: https://doclyssfitness.com/the-lyss-method/
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Episode 55: How Many Steps Should You Get Daily
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she dives deep into the hot topic discussion of "how many steps do I really need to be getting daily?"
She goes over and breaks down various studies, outlines the current recommended step ranges, covers the health benefits of daily steps (blood glucose, metabolism, etc.), and goes over step count considerations for sedentary vs active individuals!
Hope you learn something new and enjoy.
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Episode 54: Better Ways to Sync Your Menstrual Cycle
You've likely seen an uptick in "cycle syncing" content across social media platforms and may even be confused about what to do/not do.
Well, in this episode, Doc Lyss goes in depth about: the menstrual cycle overview, impacts of our cycles/hormones, performance across the month, lifestyle factors that play a role, nutritional guidance, ways to cater training to YOUR UNIQUE and individual body/needs, tracking metrics, using RPE to train, and MUCH much more.
You won't want to miss this one!
Past Podcast Episodes Referenced: 1. https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/bgalbsbt7yb (Menstrual Cycle Myths) 2. https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/ANpl2vbt7yb (The Big 3 for Females) 3. https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/yZvFvAbt7yb (Mindset/Behavior Change)
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Episode 53: Stop Making These Hybrid Training Mistakes
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she sits down to talk about some of the biggest complaints she hears when someone is combining lifting and running (hybrid/concurrent training) or adding lifting into their running training/routine which is that they are fatigued, sore, and tired.
Doc Lyss gets into WHY this may be happening and what are some common mistakes that she sees. She walks through what taking a "seasons" approach means and the importance of that approach, how to manage volume, what RPE to focus on, and MUCH more.
Hybrid athletes... you won't want to miss this one!
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Episode 52: Cold Exposure, Exercise Recovery and What You Need to Know
The hot topic of the century... COLD EXPOSURE. In this solo episode of the Messy Middle Podcast, Doc Lyss discusses all-things cold exposure in the context of exercise recovery and performance. Additionally, she dives into what the parameters are for "cold exposure", looks deeper into literature, and reviews short-term responses and long term adaptation responses to cold exposure.
You won't want to miss this one!
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Episode 51: Is Hybrid Training Hurting Your Fitness?
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she breaks down the common misconception around hybrid (concurrent training) - losing fitness. She explains why this isn't true and what is ACTUALLY happening if you add in a different training modality or start using a different energy system. Doc Lyss also covers the benefits of using RPE for adaptations, what to do when you are starting hybrid training, and the importance of taking a seasoned approach.
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Episode 50: Picking a Protein Supplement with Doc Lyss
Are you overwhelmed by how MANY protein supplement/powders there are to choose from and available? Do you know what you should *actually* be looking for when choosing a protein supplement?
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she dives deep into what you want to look for when choosing a protein supplement, what protein supplements actually are, and the importance of transparency of labeling to ensure you are getting what you truly need in a supplement!
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Episode 49: Running Zones 101 with Doc Lyss
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she covers ALL things running zones. She dives into what "zones" are, what each zone's pace/intensity looks like, how much time we should be spending training in each zone, and MUCH MUCH more. And of course, she will talk about SCIENCE. While this podcast primarily refers to running, this can be applicable to rowing, cycling, and other forms of cardio & conditioning!
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Episode 48: Menstrual Cycle Training Myths with Doc Lyss
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she dives deep into the information (and myths) on menstrual cycle training and hormones going around the fitness space. While some information is valid — a lot isn't, and the rest loses context on what it means.
Get ready to learn about the recent popular claims, science-based evidence and data, what those claims are, and what we should focus on.
Grab your notebook and enjoy. You won't want to miss this episode!
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Episode 47: All Things Creatine with Doc Lyss
In this solo episode with Doc Lyss, she covers ALL THINGS CREATINE. One of the most widely studied and evidence-based supplements. She thoroughly covers what creatine is, if creatine is safe, who should be taking creatine, what kind to take, how much to take and she also answers all of your commonly asked questions! This episode is FULL of information you won't want to miss.
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Episode 46: How To Adventure More This Year with Laura Hall
In this episode, Lyss and Laura chat in depth about all things getting outdoors and adventuring. They cover topics like how and why we should be redefining what it means to adventure, fitting adventure into your unique life/schedule, planning trips/hikes/adventures, safety and SO SO MUCH MORE.
► Messy Middle - Zion Episode
► Messy Middle - Grand Canyon Episode
► Get your Copy of ULTRA
► Brendan Leonard - Sixty Meters to Anywhere
► Brendan Leonard - New American Road Trip Mixtape
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Episode 45: Thoughtful Strength Coaching and Identity Work with Allison Tenney
In this episode, Lyss and Allison talk about a wide variety of topics and dive deep into graceful industry call-outs backed with calls-to-action. They talk about inclusivity and accessibility to strength training and the importance of a well thought out strength training program. Their conversation continues and they talk about anti-racism work, identity work, showing the f*ck up and everything in between.
► Follow Allison on IG: https://www.instagram.com/allisontenney/
► Ignited Leadership Summit: November 11-13 in Austin, TX
► The Den - Online Group Strength & Conditioning Program
► Shante Cofield IG - The Movement Maestro
► Seven Stones Leadership - Gina LaRoche & Jen Cohen
► Karin’s Behavior Change Podcast
► Radical Self-Responsibility Podcast
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Episode 44: The Big 3 for Active Females with Lyss
In this solo episode with Lyss, she talks about something near and dear to heart (and PhD)... considerations (nutritional) for active females and menstruating individuals while training and living everyday life. Lyss breaks down the 3 biggest considerations she believes are vital to supporting females and menstruating individuals who have performance goals, enjoying training for fun or who are training for a sport/race. These considerations support output, recovery, longevity, overall health and the ability to train hard, get faster and feel GOOD doing so.
► My Made App: https://www.mymadeapp.com/
► FREE Macro Calculator: https://bit.ly/3ANgNx9
► How to Eat More Protein YouTube Video
► Lyss’s Protein Posts on Instagram
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Episode 43: Seasons of Nutrition and Macros with Emily Duncan
In this episode, Em and Lyss discuss the different seasons of nutrition, the importance of each of them from a periodized approach and the varying ways to track macronutrients. They also chat about the importance of understanding each person’s individual need, what works for them based on their lives, where they’ve been, where they want to go and what’s most sustainable & realistic.
Em and Lyss also dive into how internal conversations around living in true alignment with values and behaviors is a way to ensure the life someone truly wants to be lived, is being lived. This is a long episode, but filled with tons of education, good conversation and thought provoking questions!
► Follow Emily on IG: https://bit.ly/35Fa8cW
► Work with Emily: https://bit.ly/3gl9OlX
► Join Her Email List: https://bit.ly/3gl9XWx
► Emily's Podcast (Apple): https://apple.co/3oqBuds
► Emily's Podcast (Spotify): https://spoti.fi/3rucqEt
► Emily's Website: https://bit.ly/35UFkW1
► ‘The Sweet Spot’ Book: https://amzn.to/3rqQwle
► Alyssa’s Macro Calculator: https://bit.ly/3ANgNx9
► Behavior Change Podcast with Karin: https://bit.ly/3noWLUo
► Reverse Dieting Podcast with Alex: https://bit.ly/3omaITu
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Episode 42: 4 Biggest Hybrid Training Mistakes with Lyss
In this solo episode with Lyss that you won't want to miss, she goes over the (4) biggest hybrid training mistakes and how to avoid making those mistakes in your very own hybrid training!
► HYBRID eBook: https://bit.ly/3JCsIly
► ENDURE 5k Prep Plan: https://bit.ly/3qN821t
► 5k Week Aerobic Base Building Challenge: https://bit.ly/3pO5twW
► Hybrid Training Spectrum Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMhaezbAoad/
► Combine Lift + Running Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CN5TF_Ag4Ts/
► Another Hybrid Training Post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CKb3lmxAtPx/
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Episode 41: A Year of Radical Self Responsibility with Lyss
In this solo episode with Lyss, she talks about her theme for the upcoming year - a year of radical self responsibility - which means getting out of our own way sometimes, taking ownership of our choices (with grace) and taking responsibility for our actions and what we want as outcomes in our lives. You won’t want to miss this one!
► Here is Karin’s Podcast Interview #1
► Here is Karin’s Podcast Interview #2
► Check out ‘The Sweet Spot’ Book
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Episode 40: Approach Behavior Change Better This Year with Dr. Karin Nordin
In this episode with Dr. Karin Nordin, we talk about setting New Year's goals and why they are positive, long-term sustainable behavior change, re-framing the way we think, tangible things you can do to create these shifts and discipline vs. skill development. We also talk about how and why to embrace failure. You won't want to miss this episode!
- Listen to Karin's Season 2 Episode
- Follow Karin on IG
- Karin’s Website
- Purchase the replay of Karin's December “Change Academy” workshop which was all about New Year's resolutions. It's a 1-hour evidence-based workshop & includes a PDF workbook. https://bodybrainalliance.mykajabi.com/offers/iTmxY42o
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EP 39:Race, discrimination and family dynamics impact on health Dr. Mackenzie Minniear
Join us this week for our episode with Dr. Mackenzie Minniear. Dr. Mack and she is a PhD, professor and researcher who works at UGA study communication and how family dynamics, race, ethnicity and discrimiation all shape our health and wellbeing. This episode helps debunk some of the common myths around ethnicity and race in health and wellness and the real impact these things can have on health outcomes.
Recommended Resources:
Podcasts: Codeswitch, Rough Translation, Still Processing
Websites: Psychologybenefits.org/res, http://www.raceconscious.org/ @inliftingcolor
Social:
Instagram: @_fair_lab_
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EP38: Reverse Diet Realities with Alex Maclin
In this episode with Alex Maclin we cover the basics of how to meet yourself where you are at in your nutrition and fitness. With a brief chat on him leaving his Ph.D. program to pursue a career in fitness and nutrition. Alex helps us walk through his approach to reverse dieting with his clients, what this looks like, who it is for, what it actually is and how you can approach this! If you have been struggling with consistent nutrition for years THIS is the episode for you!
- Alyssa’s Macro calculator: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/5e0d543c96d976002746c280
- Bethany’s ebook: https://www.ironsoulvb.com/store/iron-soul-guide-to-chasing-health-and-living-a-full-life
- Layne Norton Reverse dieting book: https://biolaynestore.com/products/the-complete-reverse-dieting-guide-e-book
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Instagram: @alexqmaclin
Website: https://www.alexmaclin.com/
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EP 37: Lazy Lyss Nutrition
Join us this week as Lyss talks about her approach to nutrition called “Lazy Lyss nutrition”. How she simplifies shopping, making meals & reducing the mental effort of feeding ourselves.
Lazy lyss nutrition guide: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/5fa0894e2a56071817e66fa5
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EP 36: Strength Training for Climbers with Dr. Natasha Barnes
Join us for this episode with Dr. Natasha Barnes of Natasha Barnes Rehab. Dr. Barnes grew up a competitive rock climber till a finger injury caused her to stop. After realizing that climbing on the hurt finger actually helped make it stronger, she reframed her view on rehab and her sport, going on to pursue a Doctor of Chiropractic to help others do the same. Dr. Barnes has since cross dabbled in competitive powerlifting, competing at the national level alongside climbing. She now works with climbers helping them reframe how they view strength training in their climbing routine.
Social:
Instagram: @natashabarnes
Website: https://natashabarnesrehab.com/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHgE4fsFgNTzHdjjNlDf2cg
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doctornatashabarnes/
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EP 35: Creating Coaching Confidence with Jasmine Braxton
In this episode with Jasmine Braxton of Strong Flexy Healthy we talk about why she decided to pivot from pre-DPT, to personal trainer, to leaving the floor to help other coaches and trainers elevate the industry. Jasmine has created a system developed to help coaches and trainers with their biggest struggles -- mainly, how to ACTUALLY program for your clients. Join us for this amazing conversation on coaching, programming & how we can work together to change the way others view fitness professionals.
Recommended Resources
1. Elevate the Trainer, the best email list on the internet if you're a FitPro- Email List
2. FitPro Development Mentorship: https://www.strongflexyhealthy.com/fitpro-mentorship
3. Design It Better VIP Day: https://www.strongflexyhealthy.com/vipday
4. Free assessment video: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/613947e78a9a21678c2d3fec
Instagram:@strongly_jasmine
Website: https://www.strongflexyhealthy.com/
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EP 34: Running for Health
Join us this week as Lyss talks about how you can incorporate running into your routine for general health. This episode is for those who want to run for fun, health and without the pressure of racing or training
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EP 33: Lessons in Boundary Setting with Lyss
Join us this week as Lyss talks about how she approaches setting boundaries, why she does it, where she has struggled, what this looks like and how she’s reframed it from being selfish or “mean” vs an act of both self care and way to help make herself better for others.
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EP 32: Making the Most of your Mindset With Dr. Karin Nordin
Join us this week for our episode with Dr. Karin Nordin. A curriculum director at Precision nutrition, PhD in Mindset theory and online coach. Join us in this episode where we talk about all things from how our mindset on behavior is often black and white, how to change the way we view this, and how behavior change actually works. Myth busting ‘mindset coaches’ and how we actually change our behavior. Wrapping it up with curriculum design and how we can educate better in the online space.
Recommended Resources:
For curriculum design: bodybrainalliance.com/sixhoursyllabus
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Ep. 31: Outdoor Adventure & Zion Planning with Bethany Taylor
Useful Prep Information:
- National park websites for each park.
- Info for passes, busses/shuttles, water sources, trail reports, weather reports, trail closings, etc.
- Alltrails and/or trailrunproject or hikingproject apps. These app will often have reports on trail conditions, water resources, etc.
- Utilize blog & youtube video resources of those who recapture their experience, gear, logistics
- Gear rental: REI, your university/college outdoor rec center, or local outdoor store
Zion trip details:
- West Rim Trail Zion
- Stayed at campsite 8, recommend spots 3-6
- Flew into Las Vegas
- Stayed in Airbnb in hurricane day before & after
- Suggested day hikes: Angels landing, west rim, east rim, observation point, narrows for
Gear we used:
- Big Agnes tents
- Big Agnes & Mammut 30 degree sleeping bags
- Bethany REI pack, Alyssa Gregory (older)
- Sleeping pad: Alyssa, z-lite pad. Bethany, Big Agnes.
- Shoes: We both wear Altra lone peaks
- Poles: Black diamond z pole & ultimate direction poles
- Sawyer water filter
Posts we referred to:
- All of Alyssa’s outdoors post: https://www.instagram.com/littlelyssfitness/guide/outdoors/18175277584035148/
- All Bethay's outdoor post: https://www.instagram.com/bethanycorataylor/guide/trail-running-hiking-and-mtb/18141361333119547/
Bethany’s former episode on the Messy Middle Podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-messy-middle-podast/episodes/EP-15-Digging-Deeper-and-Getting-Dirty-with-Bethany-Taylor-en9hqh
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EP 30: Menstrual Cycle, Birth Control and Sports Performance with Alyssa and Claire Zai
This episode is a solo episode with Alyssa, co-hosted by Claire Zai. Claire works for/with the highly respected Barbell medicine, has a masters in Biomechanics and works in the research field. Claire is also an incredibly strong female power lifter and competitive athlete. Both Alyssa and Claire are passionate about good education around female sports and the menstrual cycle. Together Claire and Alyssa take you through the basics of your cycle. How it does or does not your metabolism, strength training and exercise performance. With practical tangible takeaways on ways to actually manage and work with your physiology.
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EP 29: Men & Body Image: A Movement that Not Just for Women with Dan Feldman, RD
Dan Feldman is a registered dietitian and competitive powerlifter. He works full-time as a nutrition coach for Macros Inc., and owns a Telehealth private practice. In addition to coaching and powerlifting, Dan spends a great deal of time reading and disseminating nutrition research, as well as promoting a positive body image for men.
Find Dan on Instagram (@powerlifterdietitian) and Facebook.
Dan’s Website: http://www.danfeldmanrd.com
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EP 28: Changing your Path and Becoming a Better Coach with John Noel
John Noel is a certified personal trainer, online coach, and professional natural bodybuilder. He has a degree in actuarial science which is rooted in advanced mathematics, predictive modeling, and risk management. John made his messy middle career transition to fitness while keeping his mathematical skills. He’s able to stay objective in making calculated decisions on how to structure and adjust things like caloric intake, macronutrient breakdown, and progressive training to build muscle and lose fat without the need for restrictive diets or extreme workouts programs.
Work with John at Level Ten Coaching: https://www.leveltencoaching.co/john
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EP 27: A Grand Adventure: Alyssa’s R2R2R Experience and Advice
Join Alyssa in this weeks episode as she re-caps her experience running 50 miles in one day across the grand canyon from the south to the north rim AND BACK. Answering your use questions on gear, the experience, her training advice and what she would do differently if she was to do it again. Tune in this week to join Alyssa on yet another crazy trail adventure!
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EP 26: Part 2: Diversity, Physical Therapy, Fitness, Mindset, and More with Dr. Yusra Iftikhar
Yusra is a recent graduate of the Duke Doctor of Physical Therapy Program and is a writer, blogger, and fierce mental health and minority advocate. Yusra's writing has been featured on sites such as New Grad Physical Therapy, the National Eating Disorders Association, Recovery Warriors, the American Physical Therapy Association Blog, and The Mighty. Yusra hopes that through her writing she will be able to provide honest insight to life as a physical therapist while navigating the beautiful struggles that are mental wellness and social justice.
See the DPT Diaries Website: https://thedptdiaries.com/
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EP 26: Part 1 - Diversity, Physical Therapy, Fitness, Mindset, and More with Dr. Yusra Iftikhar
Yusra is a recent graduate of the Duke Doctor of Physical Therapy Program and is a writer, blogger, and fierce mental health and minority advocate. Yusra's writing has been featured on sites such as New Grad Physical Therapy, the National Eating Disorders Association, Recovery Warriors, the American Physical Therapy Association Blog, and The Mighty. Yusra hopes that through her writing she will be able to provide honest insight to life as a physical therapist while navigating the beautiful struggles that are mental wellness and social justice.
See the DPT Diaries Website: https://thedptdiaries.com/
Check out Yusra on Instagram (@thedptdiaries), Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube.
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EP 25: Nutrition is More Than What You See Online with Kate Lyman
Kate Lyman is a nutrition coach and has been in the fitness industry for nearly a decade. She has a Bachelor's degree in Exercise Science, a Master's degree in Public Health, and is a Certified Health Education Specialist, and combines this educational background with her own experience to help people improve their body composition, performance, and overall health. She shares nutrition education through social media, where she breaks dieting myths and empowers people to make sustainable changes to their diets. Kate believes in good workout buddies, kindness, pink sugar cookies, long hikes, a 9 p.m. bedtime, and sharing evidence-based truth.
Visit Kate’s website: https://www.katelymannutrition.com/
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EP 24: Injury, Mobility, and Strength Facts and Fallacy with Dr. Taylor Eckel
Taylor is a physical therapist and strength coach who enjoys working with a wide variety of patients, particularly those whose pain prevents them from doing the activities they love. Through her clinical rotations across the US, she has worked with athletes at all levels of sport, from middle school and high school athletes to NFL players, Olympians, Division I student athletes, and barbell sport athletes. Taylor believes all patients deserve elite level care to reach their goals and is passionate about empowering patients to take ownership of their health through movement. When she’s not in the clinic, Taylor enjoys snowboarding, backpacking, and makes bomb cheesy grits.
Follow Taylor on Instagram (@tayloreckel.dpt) and Twitter.
Visit The Integrity Training Project
Email her: Integritytrainingproject@gmail.com
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EP 23: Motherhood, Body Mindset, and Chasing Joy with Christy Joy
Christy Joy Meeks is a living example of health and happiness. She is a wife, mom of five, and creator of #oneminuteofhappy that incorporates movement and mindset. She shares her journey to the messy middle, which is all about falling in love with the body you have.
Christy’s website: https://www.callmechristyjoy.com/
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EP 22: PART 2: Metabolism 101 with Alyssa and Steph Compton
This episode is a solo episode with Alyssa, co-hosted by Steph Compton, a PhD student study nutrition and metabolism. Together Steph and Alyssa take you through the basics of your metabolism. From the cellular to whole body level, what it means to have a "good" metabolism, how to "boost it" and how it changes from and during exercise and more.
Links to posts discussed in this episode:
- Stress & Cortisol Review paper about metabolic flexibility
- “What is metabolic flexibility”
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CGFnsIfDVeK/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/B_47aGVDtPH/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Nd0ePj_gk/ https://www.instagram.com/steph.compton.nutrition/guide/metabolism/17865932879122438/
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EP 22: PART 1: Metabolism 101 with Alyssa Olenick and Steph Compton
This episode is a solo episode with Alyssa, co-hosted by Steph Compton, a PhD student study nutrition and metabolism. Together Steph and Alyssa take you through the basics of your metabolism. From the cellular to whole body level, what it means to have a "good" metabolism, how to "boost it" and how it changes from and during exercise and more.
Links to posts discussed in this episode:
- Stress & Cortisol
- Review paper about metabolic flexibility
- “What is metabolic flexibility”
- https://www.instagram.com/p/CGFnsIfDVeK/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/B_47aGVDtPH/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Nd0ePj_gk/
- https://www.instagram.com/steph.compton.nutrition/guide/metabolism/17865932879122438/
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EP 21: Get a Better Coach and Be a Better Coach with Stan Dutton
Stan Dutton is an unapologetic dog dad, frozen pizza connoisseur, and life-long learner with over 10 years of experience in the fitness industry. He’s built multiple businesses, at 22 he was the owner of a 2,000 square foot training facility valued at over $1,000,000 within just 4 years - after closing his gym, Stan got tired of seeing the best salespeople make the most money through unethical marketing, “Rapid fat loss programs” and crash diets… And he’s working tirelessly to create a world in which coaches gain the knowledge that they should have learned on day one from their certifications - how to inspire meaningful change using the art and science of coaching. Despite nearly dropping out of high school, he found my success in the industry by surrounding himself with the best in the world - and constantly learning. His mission to create Better Coaches starts with his podcast, Better Coaching where he interviews experts across a diverse range of subjects - movement, psychology, nutrition, and business.
Find Stan (@stan.dutton) and Better Coaching (@bettercoaching.co) on Instagram
Check out the Better Coaching Website: https://www.bettercoaching.co/ and the Politics of Health Program
ARTICLES MENTIONED:
Mind-Set Matters Exercise and the Placebo Effect, Alia J. Crum and Ellen J. Langer
OUR BETTER COACHING EPISODES:
Alyssa Olenick: Unlocking Your Potential
Alyssa Olenick: Building a Business with a Purpose
Alyssa Olenick: So You Want To Be An Influencer?
Kait Carmichael: Supporting Your Clients Mental Health During COVID-19 & Beyond
Kait Carmichael: The Science Of Sleep, Melatonin Myths & Our Culture Of Sleep Deprivation
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EP 20: Combo Rant and Chat: Approaching the New Year
Lyss and Kait wrap up season one with a combined rant/chat!
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EP 19: Digging Deeper and Getting Dirty with Bethany Taylor
Bethany is a: Life Empowerment Nutritionist. Mountain Biker. Coffee Lover. Trail Runner. Future Book Author. Outdoor Activist. Helping women find freedom via food & exercise, no longer be at war with their bodies, educating them to eat for life and constantly reminding them they hold the power to create a life they are proud to live & to do hard things bravely.
Posts on trail safety from Bethany and Lyss:
Walking and Running in the Dark
Follow Bethany on Instagram and check out Bethany’s website for more information on her upcoming book Down and In.
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EP 18: Getting Strong and Snatched With Kells James
Kells is a CPT through ACE and prides herself on educating women on the importance of strength training and letting them know they can be both strong AND snatched.
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EP 17.2: Alyssa’s 100k Race Recap Part 2: The Execution
Alyssa shares her experience from the start line of her 100k, through highs and lows, and too many river crossings to count.
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EP 17.1: Alyssa’s 100k Race Recap Part 1: The Preparation
Kait interviews Alyssa on how she prepared, both physically and mentally, for her 100k race.
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EP 16: Balance is BS with Lyss
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