
The Monday Christian Podcast
By The Monday Christian

The Monday Christian PodcastFeb 15, 2021

TMCP 157: Christina Bieber Lake on the Unique Challenges and Blessings of Being a Teacher
Christina Bieber Lake (PhD, Emory University) is the Clyde S. Kilby professor of English at Wheaton College, where she teaches contemporary American literature and theory. She is the author of Prophets of the Posthuman: American Fiction, Biotechnology, and the Ethics of Personhood and The Incarnational Art of Flannery O’Connor. She lives in Wheaton, Illinois, with her husband, Stephen, and their son.
Talking Points
- Why teachers are misunderstood
- Rhythms of a teacher
- Completely Uninterrupted Reading Blocks (CURB)
- Unique challenges of teaching at different levels
Resources

TMCP 156: Douglas Groothuis on the Basics of Major World Religions
Douglas Groothuis (PhD, University of Oregon) is professor of philosophy at Denver Seminary. He is the author of numerous books, including Christian Apologetics, Fire in the Streets, Philosophy in Seven Sentences, Unmasking the New Age, Truth Decay, On Pascal, On Jesus, and Walking Through Twilight. He has written for scholarly journals such as Religious Studies, Sophia, Research in Philosophy and Technology, Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and Philosophia Christi, as well as for numerous popular magazines.
Episode Talking Points:
- World religions
- Sharing your faith
- Interacting with others who have different worldviews
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TMCP 155: Brian Russell on How to Be Astonished By the Bible
Brian Russell (Ph.D.) is an award-winning professor of biblical studies and former dean at Asbury Theological Seminary as well as a transformational coach for pastors and spiritually-minded professionals. His personal mission is to seek out, study, and embody the deepest truths about God so that he can share them compellingly, lovingly, and transformationally with others. He is the author of The Song of the Sea: The Date of Composition and Influence of Exodus 15:1–21 (Peter Lang, 2007); Invitation: A Bible Study to Begin With (Seedbed 2014); (re)Aligning with God: Reading Scripture for Church and World (Cascade 2015); and his newly released Centering Prayer: Sitting Quietly in God’s Presence Can Change Your Life (Paraclete Press, 2021). He is also host of the Deep Dive Spirituality Conversations podcast.
Episode Talking Points:
- Teaching the Bible
- The influence of scripture
- The story of the Bible
- Dealing with hard passages
- Walking through a dark night of the soul
- Keeping the Bible fresh in our lives
- Contemplative Spiritual Formation
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TMCP 154: Micah Davis on How to Find God's Purpose for Our Lives
Micah E. Davis is a pastor and he believes the written and spoken word are a medium to illicit heart change and life transformation. He has committed his life to using words for good. Micah lives in Indianapolis, Indiana with his wife Rylei and their Australian Kelpie, Leo. In his free time, he can often be found hiking, reading, or drinking a cold glass of sweet tea.
Episode Talking Points
- Living in Indianapolis
- Church planting
- Having a father who had a moral failure
- Wrestling with faith
- Finding our life's purpose
- Listening in community with others
Resources

TMCP 153: Eric Peterson on Mending Tough Relationships With a Parent
Eric has a Bachelor of Arts in Theology from Whitworth University, Master of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary, and a Doctorate of Ministry from Portland Seminary at George Fox University.
Gaining a heart for ministry through Young Life in Maryland as a teenager, Eric went on to start a new club at a neighboring high school. He served for seven years as an Associate Pastor at Marine View Presbyterian Church in Tacoma. After that, Eric founded Colbert Presbyterian in 1997. He also has written three books: Wade In The Water, Letters to a Young Pastor (with Eugene H. Peterson), and Letters to a Young Congregation. Outside of CPC, Eric serves as an advisor for doctoral students at Portland Seminary, and as a trustee at Whitworth University.
Eric is married to Elizabeth, who is a Spiritual Director and Yoga Instructor. They have six children, and three grandchildren.
Episode Talking Point:
- Eric's relationship with his father
- Writing a letter to his dad
- Avoiding workaholism
- Being Present
- Operating in a social media age
- Guarding our souls
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TMCP 152: Barry Rowan on The Spiritual Art of Business
Barry Rowan is a Harvard Business School graduate who spent his entire career serving in C-Suite roles. He has been instrumental in building and transforming eight businesses, primarily in the technology and communication space, with one selling for $10 billion. His leadership experience spans both private and public companies, including Gogo (the inflight connectivity company), Vonage, Nextel Partners, and Fluke Corporation.
Based on his belief in giving back, Barry serves on both for-profit and non-profit boards, mentors young leaders, and leads international study trips. His non-profit boards have included InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Seattle Pacific University, Gordon College, the Gonzaga University Entrepreneurial Leadership Program, and advisory boards for Harvard Business School. He also served as president of Bellevue Christian School.
Episode Talking Points:
- Christian Leadership
- Surrender
- Who is God?
- Sacrifice
- Success as a Christian
- Wrestling with God
Resources

TMCP 151: Msuega Tese on Becoming a Versatile Leader
Msuega Tese is a co-founder and Executive Director of Integrated Solutions Angola Lda (ISA). Under Tese’s leadership, ISA has become the brand leading enterprise customers in Angola to turn to for high-end professional IT services. While Tese owes his expertise to his education and decades of experience, his journey to leadership began at a very young age.
Episode Talking Points:
- Leadership
- Church hypocrisy
- Who is God?
- Supernatural prayer
- Bringing value to the workplace
- Leading like Jesus
- How to become a leader
Resources:
Website: https://msuegatese.com/about/
Latest Book: rb.gy/1rxcp

TMCP 150: Jared Boyd on Applying Disciplines for Spiritual Formation
Jared Patrick Boyd is a pastor (Vineyard USA), spiritual director, and founding director of the Order of the Common Life, a missional monastic order reimagining religious vocations for the 21st century. In local pastoral ministry he works to bring together the contemplative, charismatic, and sacramental streams of the church. Jared and his wife have four daughters and live in the west-side neighborhood of Franklinton in Columbus, Ohio. He is the author of Imaginative Prayer and Finding Freedom in Constraint.
Episode Talking Points:
- Expecting the Holy Spirit
- Traditions in the Church
- Silence and solitude
- Forming rhythms in life
- Bringing our attention to God
- Effects of daily physical disciplines
- Living a disciplined life
- Spiritual formation
Resources:
Website jaredpatrickboyd.com
Twitter: @BoydJared
Latest Book: https://www.ivpress.com/finding-freedom-in-constraint

TMCP 149: Scot McKnight on What to Do When the Bible Becomes too Familiar
Scot McKnight (PhD, University of Nottingham) is Julius R. Mantey Chair of New Testament at Northern Seminary. in Lombard, Illinois. He is the author of many books, including Reading Romans Backwards, Pastor Paul, The King Jesus Gospel, and commentaries on James, Galatians, and 1 Peter. He is also the coeditor of the Story of God commentary series and general editor of the forthcoming second edition of the Dictionary of Paul and His Letters.
Episode Talking Points:
- Bible Translation
- Familiarity of Scripture
- Traditions of Church
- Defining Biblical Terms
- Biblical Inherency
Scot's Links:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/scotmcknight
New Book: https://www.ivpress.com/the-second-testament

TMCP 148: Natasha Smith on How to Handle Intense Times of Grief
Natasha Smith is a wife, mother, and writer from North Carolina. Her work has appeared at Her View from Home, Focus on the Family, and TODAY Parents.
Episode Talking Points:
- Defining grief
- The Effects of 2020
- Unanswered prayers
- Examples of grief in scripture
- Loss of family and friends
- Hope in Christ
Resources:
Website - https://imnatashasmith.com/about/
Twitter - @imnatashasmith
Book - rb.gy/7ir0y

TMCP 147: JR Woodward on How to Prevent Scandals in the Church
JR Woodward has been passionately planting churches on the East and West Coast that value tight-knit community, life-forming discipleship, locally-rooted presence and boundary-crossing mission for over 30 years. He received his Ph.D. from the University of Manchester (UK), and a Masters of Art in Global Leadership from Fuller Theological Seminary. He is the author of Creating a Missional Culture (IVP, 2012) and co-author of The Church as Movement (IVP, 2016). His newest book, The Scandal of Leadership: Unmasking the Powers of Domination in the Church, was just released in April 2023. This book is based on his experience and Ph.D. research. He co-founded the Missio Alliance and currently serves as the National Director for the V3 Church Planting Movement. He is the co-founder of the Praxis Gathering, writes for numerous websites and journals, and serves on numerous boards. He loves to surf, travel, read, skateboard as well as meet new people. He enjoys photography and film and tries to attend the Sundance Film Festival whenever he can.
Episode Talking Points:
- College fraternity and a journey to Christ
- Impetus behind the new book
- Business models and Christian leadership
- Two models of leadership: Christ and Satan
- Mimetic desire and cycle
- Imitation, immersion, instruction
- Remissioning churches
- Imitating Christ
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TMCP 146 Katie Schnack On What To Do When Everything Is Not Fine
Katie Schnack is a writer and book publicist. She is the author of The Gap Decade: When You're Technically an Adult but Really Don't Feel Like it Yet. Her articles have appeared in such places as Relevant, Today.com, Hello Giggles, Romper, and Scary Mommy. She grew up in Minnesota playing duck duck gray duck, learned to say "bless your heart" in Texas, lived in a four-hundred-square-foot apartment in New York (okay, Jersey City, actually, but it was close enough to Manhattan), and has a love-hate relationship with Cheetos but is also oddly obsessed with spinach smoothies. Katie and her family now live in West Palm Beach, Florida, on an acre of land with five chickens, three goats, and a senior mini pony.
Episode Talking Points:
- How do you write your first book?
- Hiking adventures
- Raising a son with VACTERL
- How hard times shape us
- A simple prayer to pray each morning
Resources:

TMCP 145: Kayla Craig On Developing Unforced Rhythms For Parenting
Kayla Craig is a parent to four wild, wonderful kids and the author of Every Season Sacred and To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers & Liturgies for Parents. With more than 100 modern liturgies, Kayla’s nuanced writing guides you into an intentional conversation with God for your children and their world. Kayla's background is in journalism, and she hopes to bring curiosity and compassion to how she shows up not only as a writer and podcaster but as a neighbor, friend, and mother. She's a regular contributor to PBS KIDS for Parents and shares faithful explorations as an (in)courage contributor, too. Kayla is the creator of the popular Liturgies for Parents Instagram account, where she shares liturgies (and breath prayers) for parents that are relevant to our real, lived experiences. She's grateful for the many Christian traditions and backgrounds that have widened her faith, and her wonder-shaped writing has been featured in a vast array of books, devotionals, and Bible studies.
- Coming to faith in Christ
- Healthy life rhythms
- Meeting God through our children
- Unforced family rhythms
- Breath prayers
- What to do when we fail as parents
- Cycles in parenting

TMCP 144: Trevor Seath on How Prayer-Walking Has Shaped the Way He Relates to God
Trevor Seath began leading as the C2C Ontario Regional Director in August 2015 after serving as C2C Regional Mobilizer and as Pastor of Church Networking at Peoples Church in Toronto. Trevor was working for Royal Trust in 1997 when God called him and his wife Julie into pastoral ministry. After completing an MDiv at Tyndale, Trevor served as Lead Pastor of Bridletowne Park Church (Toronto), and ministered there for 12 years. Trevor is passionate about serving pastors and church planters as a pastor, coach, trainer, and church planting catalyst. He and Julie have four children: three terrific daughters, and one fantastic son.
Episode Talking Points
- Trevor's growing up years in a devoted Christian household
- People-pleasing
- The unexpected death of Trevor's brother
- Pastoral ministry in Toronto
- Prayer-walking basics
- Written prayers
- The power of habits
- Depression and prayer walking
Resources

TMCP 143: Kyla Gillespie on How She Dealt with Gender Dysphoria
Bio
Kyla Gillespie was born in BC, Canada. Being raised in a Christian home, she came to faith in Jesus Christ at a young age. As early as the age of five, she began to experience gender dysphoria. In her teens, wrestling with both same-sex attraction and gender dysphoria, life became difficult. She spent her late teens and adult years as a Professional Women's Hockey Player. After a lifelong battle with Gender Identity, in 2011 she fully transitioned from female to male. While living as a male for six years, God revealed himself to her in a powerful way. Since then she has fully de-transitioned and is now living out her God-given gender and sexuality as a woman in pursuit of Jesus.
Kyla has a passion for teaching, speaking and sharing the Gospel. She travels within Canada and the USA and would love to travel the world sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ. Kyla has been working on writing blogs, and podcasts. She has been a contributor to The Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender in film and Conferences.
Her deep desire is to make Jesus known and help other Christians be better equipped to love the LGBTQ+ community. Kyla is an active and involved member of her local Church, Gospel City, in Port Coquitlam, BC, Canada.
Episode Talking Points
- Kyla's growing up years in a Christian home
- The separation of Kyla's parents at age 14
- Kyla's alcoholism and the suppression of pain
- Kyla's transition
- God's Rock and detransition
- "All in under Christ"
- The cost of disciplining others
- Fulfillment in Christ alone
- Unconditional love for image bearers
Resources

TMCP 142: Rob Shive on How to Revive a Marriage
Rob is a native of Charlotte, NC, and has four children, one of whom is internationally adopted from China. Rob and his wife, Karen, also a professional counselor, conduct marriage conferences, premarital seminars, and marriage enrichment weekends. In his free time Rob enjoys road and mountain biking, fishing, camping, hiking, date nights, family time, and service projects. He also enjoys reading about theology, philosophy, the integration of psychology and theology, and orphan care. Rob’s passion for marriage and the family is born out of his own experience and work to build a healthy marriage, as well as the tremendous education he has received in helping hundreds of distressed couples find hope, work through difficult problems, and rebuild their relationships.
Episode Talking Points
- Rob's journey to Christ and processing family trauma
- Moving forward
- Hurting pastors
- Marital revival
- Trust in marital relationships
- "Consumer marriage"
- Pursuer/Withdrawer cycle
- Truth-telling
- Remember, Repent, Redo
Resources

TMCP 141: Janan Byer on Modesty, Adornment, and Intentional Living
Janan has been a teacher for nine years, both in the classroom and in the online setting. Middle school is her "jam" and her favorite subjects to teach are history, culture classes, and writing.
She is a Canadian-American that loves a good cup of coffee, dark chocolate, decor, exercise, traveling, capsule closets, and thrifting. She grew up in North Pole, Alaska (yes, it’s real, and yes, “Santa” lives there) and then went to Florida for her teaching degree at Hobe Sound Bible College. Afterward, she earned an MA of Education at Trevecca Nazarene University in curriculum, assessment, and instruction.
She's enjoyed different ministry roles throughout my life. These include Vacation Bible schools in Alaskan villages, working with kids throughout college, being a Christian school teacher and a pastor’s wife, leading women’s Bible studies, leading worship, welcoming many into our home…and co-hosting The Story of God Podcast for TMC!
Episode Talking Points
- Closet makeovers
- Conservative upbringing
- Rethinking the way she thought about modesty and adornment
- Changing with grace
- How men and women talk about each other
Resources
- Janan's YouTube Channel
- Janan's Instagram
- janan@themondaychristian.com

TMCP 140: Sandra Richter on Why Christians Should Read the Old Testament
Internationally known for her work on Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomistic History, Dr. Richter brings the Old Testament to life by exploring the real people and real places from which it comes.
Richter is a graduate of Valley Forge University, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and earned her doctorate from the Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations Department of Harvard University in Hebrew Bible. A veteran of many years of leading student groups in archaeological excavation and historical geography classes in Israel, she has taught at Asbury Theological Seminary., Wesley Biblical Seminary and Wheaton College. She is recognized among the laity for her The Epic of Eden: A Christian Entry into the Old Testament and is currently working on a second in that series The Fifth Gospel: A Christian Entry into the Book of Isaiah (IVP Academic). Her current research involves a forthcoming commentary on Deuteronomy with Eerdmans. She is also the author of several adult Bible Curriculums with Seedbed and Harper Collins. Richter is a sought-after speaker in both academic and lay settings.
Episode Talking Points
- Coming to faith at the tail end of the Jesus Movement
- Mission drift and revival
- "Dysfunctional closet syndrome"
- Making the Old Testament understandable for common people
- Making Old Testament characters real
- Getting the bookends of the Scriptures set
- What about those who haven't heard?
Resources

TMCP 139: Jamie Taylor and McKinsey Swain on Finding Freedom in Christ
Jamie Taylor is an author and communicator who loves helping people discover the things that are holding them back from a life of abundance and authenticity. She is a leader in both church and non-profit spaces where she journeys alongside people on their road to freedom.
McKinsey Swain is a wife, mom, multi-passionate entrepreneur, coach and freedom chaser. She loves to help individuals and teams get unstuck and move forward in life, business, and ministry.”
Episode Talking Points:
- Coming to faith in Christ in different ways
- What it means to be free
- The unhealthy allure of legalism
- The challenge of deconstruction
- How to raise kids that are free
- Freedom from feeling disqualified
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TMCP 138: Jesse Cruickshank on Ordinary Discipleship
Jessie Cruickshank holds a M.Ed. from Harvard in Mind, Brain, and Education. She is an ordained minister and a nationally recognized expert in disciplemaking and the neuroscience of transformation. She has spent two decades applying neuroeducation research to discipleship, ministry training, experiential education, and organization development. Jessie is respected globally as a missiological thought-leader and a church and denominational consultant and is the founder of Who-ology. Jessie lives and adventures with her family in Colorado.
Episode Talking Points
- The incredible faith journey of Jessie's family
- "God hardwired our brains for transformation"
- Activating autobiographical memory
- The limits of good information
- The curriculum of life
- How we read the Scriptures
- Integration of life and the Scriptures
Resources

TMCP 137: Cesar Perez on What to Do If We Struggle to Believe in God
Cesar Perez is the Executive Director of Christian Education Release Time (CERT) in Emmett, Idaho. CERT is a ministry that teaches Bible classes to public school students. He is also part of The Monday Christian team doing short apologetic-style videos on TMC's TikTok Channel. Cesar graduated with his BA in Church and Family Ministry and has been married to his wife Elisabeth for eight years and they have a son named Mateo. When he is not teaching or discipling students, Cesar loves exploring and having adventures in the mountains of Idaho.
Episode Talking Points:
- April Fools Questions
- A child of immigrants
- Cesar's journey of faith
- What to do when we can't hear God's voice
- Why Cesar loves working with youth
- Stories of God's redemption
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TMCP 136: Benno van den Toren on How Christians Can Effectively Share Their Faith
Benno van den Toren (PhD, Theological University in Kampen) is professor of intercultural theology at the Protestant Theological University in Groningen, the Netherlands. He has taught in French-speaking Africa and at Wycliffe Hall at Oxford University, and his books include Christian Apologetics as Cross-Cultural Dialogue and Reasons for My Hope: Responding to Non-Christian Friends.
Episode Talking Points
- Growing up near Rotterdam
- Contextualization of apologetics
- Listening in apologetics
- Relevance and attraction in apologetics
- Violence and colonialism in Christian history
- Where to start in apologetics
- "Fools for Christ"
Resources

TMCP 135: Alan Noble on Getting Out of Bed
Alan Noble (PhD, Baylor University) is associate professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University, cofounder and editor in chief of Christ and Pop Culture, and an advisor for the AND Campaign. He has written for the Atlantic, Vox, BuzzFeed, The Gospel Coalition, Christianity Today, and First Things. He is also the author of Disruptive Witness and You Are Not Your Own.
Episode Talking Points
- Alan's experience during his baptism
- The "why" behind Alan's book, On Getting Out of Bed
- Start with worth
- The hyper-competitiveness of the contemporary world
- "The weariness of the self"
- Christian communal rhythms
- Doing the next right thing
- Hope from others during dark times
- "keep crawling forward"
Resources

TMCP 134: Jon Pyle on Valuing Care Over Content
Jon Pyle is a Digital Pastor who serves the people of CityChurch San Antonio and created his own podcast about making the church "Better on the Inside". As a teenager in the late 90's, Jon converted to Christianity from his first religion: Pop Culture. He is a fun sock enthusiast, retired sports blogger, tea drinker, and world-class hugger.
Episode Talking Points
- Jon's journey to Christ as a youth group outcast
- Processing emotions
- Working through painful life experiences
- Care and content in the Church
- Christianity: is it good?
- The iceberg metaphor
- Better on the Inside Podcast and Jon's philosophy of conversation
Resources

TMCP 133: Isaiah Robertson on Why Black Church History Holds Many Answers for White Western Christians
Isaiah Robertson is the Senior Pastor of Hope in Christ Church in Compton, California. In 2020, Pastor Isaiah released his groundbreaking book Black Church Empowered: Examining Our History, Securing Our Longevity. This book quickly reached the top of the charts as an Amazon best seller. It also garnered the Best Book of 2020 award from the Emmaus Collective. Pastor Isaiah has served in multiple ministerial capacities since accepting his call. He has served as a youth pastor, an associate pastor, and a church planter. He has also spearheaded numerous outreach programs aimed at serving underprivileged communities and mentoring young men of color. He has a passion for studying, preaching, and teaching the Word of God. He also has a deep interest in contextual ecclesiology and Black Church studies.
Episode Talking Points
- Isaiah's background and conversion story
- Grace for the word of faith movement
- Isaiah's journey into the history of the Black Church
- The challenges and pitfalls of seminary
- "Black Church"
- Learning from the Black Church
- Black Church and a theology of suffering in practice
- Community and the imago dei in the Black Church
- Racial Reconciliation
Resources

TMCP 132: Matthew Lynch on How We Handle Hard Passages in the Old Testament
Matthew J. Lynch is an associate professor of Old Testament at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada. He is the author of First Isaiah and the Disappearance of the Gods, Portraying Violence in the Hebrew Bible, and Monotheism and Institutions in the Book of Chronicles. He is the co-founder of the OnScript podcast, a podcast focused on providing engaging conversations on Bible and theology.
Episode Talking Points
- Matt Lynch, tuba player
- Matt's journey to Christ
- Understanding conversion
- Violence in the Old Testament
- The flood narrative
- Joshua and conquest
- Static rope/dynamic rope
- Core doctrines of Christianity
- The character creed of God in Exodus 34
- Thinking through the mysteries of God
Resources

TMCP 131: David and Elisa Lozano on Leading Celebrate Recovery
David and Elisa are the leaders of Celebrate Recovery at Grace Bible Church in Nampa, Idaho. They have been married for fourteen years and have a powerful story of redemption. As Elisa likes to say, "I used to be a soldier for the world and now I am a soldier for Christ." David and Elisa see their lives as an example of how God can turn a person's "mess" into a "message." They come from two different worlds, but they believe they found each other because God has a plan for their lives. Together, they run a small business and do all they can to offer hope to others.
Episode Talking Points:
- Growing up in a non-Christian background
- Going to prison
- Finding God where they least expected
- Leading Celebrate Recovery
- Why no one is beyond hope

TMCP 130: Alan Fadling on How Christians Can Live Unhurried Lives
Alan Fadling is president and founder of Unhurried Living, Inc. in Mission Viejo, California. He speaks and consults internationally with organizations such as Saddleback Church, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, Cru, Halftime Institute, Apprentice Institute, and Open Doors International. He is the award-winning author of An Unhurried Leader and An Unhurried Life, and coauthor (with Gem Fadling) of What Does Your Soul Love?
Episode Talking Points
- How Alan came to faith in Christ
- Alan's connection to Dallas Willard
- Becoming unhurried is a process, not a daily event
- Why are we so busy?
- Why do we link our careers with our personal happiness?
- Daily unhurried rhythms
- Do we want to know God?
Resources

TMCP 129: Janice McWilliams on Ways Christians Can Restore Their Souls
Janice McWilliams (MDiv, LCPC), author of Restore My Soul: Reimagining Self-Care for a Sustainable Life,has nourished a lifelong curiosity about human nature. This has propelled her to serve in campus ministry, to speak and train groups in churches and organizations, and to work as a therapist, spiritual director, and writer.Her love of the depths and intrigue of the human experience is matched by her desire to find her place in God's work of restoring and revitalizing souls everywhere.
Episode Talking Points
- Janice's journey to faith as a PK (preacher's kid)
- Tumultuous teen years and pursuing God in college
- Self-care Barbie
- One-dimensional self-care
- Thoughts, emotions, rhythms, fulfillment
- True and false guilt
- The path forward for self-care
- "Better breaks"
Resources

TMCP 128: Jim Belcher on How Christians in America Can Unify Rather Than Divide
Jim Belcher (PhD, Georgetown University) is a political philosopher, researcher, and writer. He previously served as president of Providence Christian College in Pasadena, California, and was the founding lead pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in Newport Beach, California. He is the author of In Search of Deep Faith and Deep Church, which won a 2010 Christianity Today Book Award in church/pastoral leadership.
Episode Talking Points
- Jim's journey to Christ
- Church planting in California
- The difficulty of a "middle way"
- The vital center
- What is the gospel?
- Technology advances and the response of the church
- Retrieval of constitutional republicanism
Resources

TMCP 127: David Fitch on the Importance of Faithful Presence
David E. Fitch (PhD, Northwestern University) is the B. R. Lindner Chair of Evangelical Theology at Northern Seminary. He is also the founding pastor of Life on the Vine Christian Community, a missional church in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. He is the author of Faithful Presence, The Great Giveaway and The End of Evangelicalism? and is the coauthor of Prodigal Christianity. Fitch coaches a network of church plants in the Christian and Missionary Alliance and he writes, speaks, and lectures on issues the local church must face in mission including cultural engagement, leadership, and theology. He has also written numerous articles in periodicals such as Christianity Today, The Other Journal, Missiology, as well as various academic journals.
Episode Talking Points:
- What is faithful presence?
- How do you be faithfully present in your community?
- Differences between rural and urban Christians
- How Christians think differently
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TMCP 126: Brent Vernon and Johnathan Arnold on the Importance of Catechizing Kids
Johnathan Arnold is a husband, father, and Senior Pastor in Central Pennsylvania. He came to faith while reading the Scriptures in public high school, began attending a local church, completed a Bible college program, then served as an assistant and associate pastor for seven years before becoming a senior minister. He is pursuing graduate studies and enjoys writing and podcasting. Johnathan founded holyjoys.org to explore important theological ideas in community with experienced theologians and practitioners, in service of local churches and pastors.
Brent Vernon is a singer-songwriter, ventriloquist, and children's author-illustrator from South Florida. As a creator, he continues to balance his tour schedule with developing products, writing new stories, and designing children's books for other authors. Despite the constant motion, Brent insists there is a point to it all: "My ultimate goal is to make a meaningful connection with people and point them to a loving God—a God who can change us from the inside out. What we do in this life matters in the next. And because of God's grace revealed to us through Jesus, we have the hope of eternal life. I feel strongly that my talents must be used to share redemptive messages to promote healing and wholeness in our hearts and homes."
Episode Talking Points
- Brent and Johnathan's journey to faith in Christ
- The impetus behind their project for children
- The importance of catechizing children (and adults)
- "Made to be happy in God"
- The power of the arts in spiritual formation
- The Holy Joys Kids Catechism
Resources

TMCP 125: Sarah Cowan Johnson on Teaching Our Kids Well
Sarah is a ministry trainer, consultant, and coach based in Providence, RI. With nearly 20 years of ministry experience in the church and parachurch, Sarah is passionate about equipping ministry leaders to flourish in their unique callings and contexts.
Before starting her own business, Sarah served as a Campus Staff Member and Area Director with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, where she developed local, regional, and national training experiences for both staff and students. After more than a decade on staff with InterVarsity, Sarah was assessed and approved by the Covenant Church as a church planter and served as the Executive Pastor for Sanctuary Church, a family of neighborhood congregations in Providence. Her primary responsibilities at Sanctuary included developing the people and the systems necessary to sustain healthy planting and growth.
Episode Talking Points
- Sarah's journey as a "PK" and coming to faith in Christ
- The 50% rule
- Co-opting daily routines for spiritual formation
- The power of simple habits
- John Westerhoff and spiritual development
- Discipleship in four directions
- "Weirdos forever"
Resources

TMCP 124: Hannah Nation on How Chinese Christians are Being "Faithfully Disobedient"
Hannah Nation is a frequent writer and speaker on both contemporary Chinese gospel movements and the history of women in the church, both academically and popularly. Her speaking on both topics ranges from presenting at academic conferences to leading local church retreats. She is a research associate at Gordon-Conwell's Center for the Study of Global Christianity and member of several societies, including the Tyndale Fellowship and the Evangelical Missiological Society (EMS). She has written for The Gospel Coalition, Christianity Today, Plough, byFaith, and Mere Orthodoxy, among other various platforms.
Episode Talking Points
- Hannah's story of coming to faith in Christ
- Hannah's first trip to China
- Government church in China
- Responding to persecution
- Sustaining during times of persecution
- Union with Christ and the Christian call to suffering
- Chinese church and the spiritual disciplines
- Wang Yi
- Testifying to the reality of another world
Resources

TMCP 124: Trevin Wax on The Thrill of Orthodoxy
Trevin Wax (PhD, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary) is vice president of research and resource development at the North American Mission Board and a visiting professor of theology at Cedarville University. A former missionary to Romania, Trevin is a regular columnist at The Gospel Coalition and has contributed to The Washington Post, Religion News Service, World, and Christianity Today.
He has served as general editor for The Gospel Project and has taught courses on mission and ministry at Wheaton College. He is the author of several books, including The Multi-Directional Leader, Rethink Your Self, This Is Our Time, Eschatological Discipleship, and Gospel Centered Teaching. He lives in middle Tennessee with his wife, Corina, and their three children.
Episode Talking Points
- Trevin's journey to Christ
- Trevin's cross-cultural work and spiritual formation in Romania
- The impetus behind The Thrill of Orthodoxy
- The ways we drift from orthodoxy
- Pragmatic drift
- "Doers" and "sayers" and why it's ideal to be both
- Trevin's new podcast
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TMCP 123: Claude Alexander on Deciphering God's Call for Our Lives
Bishop Claude R. Alexander Jr. is senior pastor of The Park Church in Charlotte, North Carolina. He serves on the board of Christianity Today, Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, and Movement.org. He is the chair of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary's board of trustees and a past president of the Hampton University Ministers Conference, and previously served on the board of Mission America Coalition.
A leader among both Christian and civic organizations, Bishop Alexander has consistently been listed among the most influential persons in Charlotte, North Carolina, working with government and community officials to address the community's most critical issues. He holds a BA in philosophy from Morehouse College, an MDiv from Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, and a DMin from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He and his wife, Kimberly, have two daughters.
Episode Talking Points
- Claude's growing up years and his missionary mother
- Is God talking or is it bad pizza?
- Seeking a place vs. the person of God
- God's calculus
- Blindspots and the body of Christ
- "To get Jesus is to get the Church"
Resources

TMCP 122: Bonnie Kristian on How to Become a Person Others Trust
Bonnie is the author of Untrustworthy: The Knowledge Crisis Breaking Our Brains, Polluting Our Politics, and Corrupting Christian Community (2022) and A Flexible Faith: Rethinking What It Means to Follow Jesus Today (2018). Her column, "The Lesser Kingdom," appears in print and online at Christianity Today. Her work has also been published at outlets including USA Today, Defense One, the Los Angeles Times, CNN, Politico, Time, Reason, National Interest, New York Times, and The American Conservative. A graduate of Bethel Seminary, she lives in Pittsburgh with her husband and twin sons.
Episode Talking Points
Bonnie's journey as a writer
Discerning truth from error when consuming media
The ease and danger of self-platforming
Bonnie's apology and humility
faithful, factual, fair
Resources

TMCP 121: David Lamb on The Emotions of God
David T. Lamb is the Allan A. MacRae Professor of Old Testament and dean of faculty at Missio Seminary in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He previously worked in campus ministry with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and has taught extensively in various crosscultural contexts. He is the author of God Behaving Badly, Righteous Jehu and His Evil Heirs, Prostitutes and Polygamists: A Look at Love, Old Testament Style, 1 and 2 Kings. in the Story of God Bible Commentary series, and The Historical Writings: Introducing Israel's Historical Literature (coauthored with Mark Leuchter).
Episode Talking Points:
- David's growing up years and coming to faith in Christ
- David's journey from an engineer to theology professor
- David's experience as a person who feels deeply and his faith tradition
- The "why" behind the book The Emotions of God
- Divine anger
- Jesus, the man of sorrows who weeps
- Stewarding emotions well
- Emotions in worship
Helpful Resources

TMCP 120: Jay Kim on How We Control Our Media Devices Without Them Controlling Us
Jay Y. Kim serves as the lead pastor at WestGate Church in the Silicon Valley and on the leadership team of the ReGeneration Project. His writing has been featured in Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Missio Alliance, and Relevant Magazine. He lives in Silicon Valley with his wife and two children.
Episode Talking Points
- Growing up years, deconstruction, and becoming rooted in Christ
- The "why" behind Jay's writing of The Analogue Christian
- Clarity in witness to our culture
- Jay's coffee shop story
- Non-neutral setup/design of social media
- Handling personal attacks online
- Intentionality with digital devices
- The fruitful life
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TMCP 119: Jim Domen on Parents' Hope for their Gay Son
Jim Domen shares the following bio of his life:
"I never imagined that I would enter the homosexual lifestyle after being raised in a God-fearing home and accepting Christ at age seven. After I graduated from George Fox University, I was so desperate to love and be loved that I didn’t care that my partner was HIV positive. God changed my life forever on June 8, 2002, when I lost all my worldly possessions and distinctly heard God’s voice telling me to come back to Him. I told God, “I’m yours again,” and I began to realize that His strength is made perfect in my weakness – even in someone as broken as me.
God began to restore me and I enrolled in seminary at Azusa Pacific University. I learned how to be obedient to God’s voice and how to interpret the Bible. God continued His work of redemption and gave me opportunities to share my story publicly.
After I graduated from seminary, I became a pastor at Rose Drive Friends Church. I realized that I could no longer ignore the troublesome news stories about public policy and it discouraged me to hear Christians who did not understand how to articulate their worldview. Around this time, Proposition 8 was being fought in the culture and I found myself on the front lines promoting God’s plan for marriage: the union between a man and woman. At press conferences and rallies, I met the founder of Focus on the Family’s California Family Council, who became my boss and mentor after I was asked to join California Family Council. After six years at CFC, God strategically called me to begin Church United in 2016. Church United’s vision is to transform California for Christ by 1) Disrupting Pastors, 2) Uniting the Church, and 3) Transforming our Communities.
Six years after leaving the gay lifestyle and one month before the successful passage of Proposition 8, God continued His work of restoration when I met my wife, Amanda. She is “God’s gift from Heaven.” We were married in 2009 and five years later God blessed us with our daughter, Aliah, whose name in Hebrew means “ascending to God” – just like our praises to Him for giving us the gift of becoming parents. Two years later, Amanda gave birth to our son, Ryker, whose name means 'strong leader,' and in 2018, we had our third child, Asher. Her name means 'Happy and blessed.'”
Episode Talking Points:
- Growing up in a Christian household
- The day he realized he was attracted to men
- Life with his gay partner in California
- Meeting his wife Amanda and having three kids
- Redemption
Resources

TMCP 118: Tommy Newberry on How Philippians 4:8 Changed His Life
Tommy Newberry is The New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling author of The 4:8 Principle. He is the founder and head coach of AchievingOPTIMAL, an organization focused on helping Christian entrepreneurs and their families maximize their full potential. Tommy is also the author of the motivational classic, Success Is Not an Accident, 40 Days to a Joy-Filled Life, I Call Shotgun, Think 4:8, and The Daily Guide to a Joy-Filled Life. He’s appeared as a guest on over 200 radio and television programs, including Fox & Friends, The Lou Dobbs Show, Your World With Neil Cavuto, Janet Parshall’s America, The Fox News Strategy Room, and many others. Tommy’s annual Couples Planning Retreat, held at luxurious destinations such as Blackberry Farm, Palmetto Bluff, and Barnsley Resort, takes world-class planning tools into the family realm allowing husband and wife to design a more intentional, simplified and enriching life together. He lives in Atlanta, Georgia with his wife, Kristin. They have three boys, two out of college, one married and the youngest still in high school.
Episode Talking Points
- Growing up and learning the 4:8 principle
- The 4:8 principle
- Budgeting the things you put into your mind
- Building sustainable habits
- Optimal vs. doable
- "You are a beautiful, wonderful child of God"
- Defining success
Resources

TMCP 117: Bekele Shanko on His Journey From Serving an Ethiopian Witch Doctor to Becoming a Global Leader
Bekele Shanko joined full-time missionary work with Campus Crusade for Christ International in Ethiopia in 1993. Since then, he has held diverse leadership roles for the organization, including National Director for Ethiopia for five years, Area Director for Southern and Eastern Africa for 11 years, and Global Vice President since 2010.
Bekele also serves as President of the Global Alliance for Church Multiplication (GACX), a global network of church-planting organizations, which he helped to launch in 2011; President of the Global Academy for Transformational Leadership (GATL), which he founded in 2008; and leader of the task force “Body of Christ in Every Place,” as part of the Finishing the Task movement.
Bekele was involved in designing and leading major national and international evangelistic projects, such as Operation Philip in Ethiopia, Operation Sunrise Africa in Southern and Eastern Africa, and Global Church Movements, which seeks to plant a church for every 1,000 people worldwide through training and church multiplication.
Before joining Campus Crusade for Christ, Bekele worked for the Ethiopian government as a head of information management for the National HIV/AIDS Control Program for five years. He holds a B.Sc. degree in Statistics and Mathematics from Addis Ababa University in Ethiopia, an M.A. in Organizational Leadership from Azusa Pacific University, a doctorate in Global Transformational Leadership from Bakke Graduate University, and certificates in Executive Leadership and Executive Negotiation from Harvard Business School and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, respectively.
Bekele and his wife Shewa have four children — Nathan, Elim, Philip, and Nesiel and over the course of their ministry, the Shankos have lived in Ethiopia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, South Africa, and the United States.
Episode Talking Points
- Growing up years in Ethiopia
- Bekele's father and the witch doctor
- Bekele and Bill Bright
- Barriers to partnership in the body of Christ
- Kingdom principles of partnership
- Power in unity, humility in relationships
- Discipleship crisis
- The good news
Resources

TMCP 116: Dave and Ezra on Thriving in the Grind
Episode Talking Points
- The good in the grind
- Perspectives on daily discipline
- Our perceptions of God and how they color relationship
- Reading the First Testament in light of the New
- Reading the Scriptures responsibly
- Light, tradition, and Tradition
- Christians and sin

TMCP 115: Ben Adams on How to Find God Again When You Feel Like You've Lost Him
Ben Adams is a local representative for the State of Idaho. He was born in Jupiter, Florida and raised on the mission field in Kiev, Ukraine. As a pastor’s son in Emmett, Idaho he was a home school graduate and is currently pursuing an undergraduate degree at Boise State University. He is a retired Marine Corps sergeant and served two combat tours in Afghanistan and one Marine expeditionary deployment as part of a battalion landing team. He is a Christian and married to his wife Rebecca and they have children, Dylan and Phoebe.
Episode Talking Points:
- Growing up in Ukraine
- Life as a missionary kid
- Seeing God move in incredible ways
- Joining the Marines
- Afghanistan
- PTS and alcohol abuse
- Becoming an Idaho State Representative
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TMCP 114: Marjorie Lindner Gunnoe on the Relationship Between Christianity and Psychology
Marjorie Lindner Gunnoe (PhD, University of Virginia) is professor of psychology at Calvin University. She teaches developmental psychology and conducts research on parent–child relationships. Previously she worked at Child Trends, Inc., in Washington DC, and served as a member of the design team for the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth conducted by the US Department of Labor. Gunnoe lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with her husband, Charles.
Episode Talking Points:
- What is psychology?
- How should Christians view psychology?
- How can psychology strengthen our faith?
- How does Christianity compare to the teachings of popular psychologists?
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TMCP 113: Sandra Morgan and Kimberly McOwen Yim on Practical Ways Christians Can End Human Trafficking
Kimberly McOwen Yim is co-founder and executive director of the SOCO Institute, and she writes and speaks on issues related to human trafficking. She is also co-author (with Shayne Moore) of Refuse to Do Nothing: Finding Power to Abolish Modern-Day Slavery.
Sandra Morgan is director of the Global Center for Women and Justice at Vanguard University. She is recognized globally as a leader in the fight against human trafficking. She hosts the Ending Human Trafficking podcast, and she also served by presidential appointment on the Public-Private Partnership Advisory Council to End Human Trafficking.
Episode Talking Points:
- What is human trafficking?
- How is it different than sex trafficking?
- What are all the different ways people are trafficked?
- What do Christians do that contributes to human trafficking?
- What are some positive ways Christians can put an end to human trafficking?
Resources:
- Ending Human Trafficking by Shayne Moore, Sandra Morgan, and Kimberly McOwen Yim (Use promo code EHT30 to receive a special discount)
- Call the National Human Trafficking Number if you suspect trafficking occurring in your neighborhood: 188-3737-888
- The Sweat and Toil App

TMCP 112: Joel Chopp on the Relationship Between Science and Faith
After being awarded an MA in Systematic Theology from TEDS in 2014, Joel enrolled at the University of Toronto to pursue a PhD in Systematic Theology, studying at Wycliffe College with Ephraim Radner. Having completed the coursework and residency requirements of the program, Joel returned to TEDS in the summer of 2016 to assume the role of Project & Communications manager for the Henry Center. His current research is on the role of scripture in Thomas Aquinas’s doctrine of divine freedom. He is the editor with Geoffrey Fulkerson of Science and the Doctrine of Creation: The Approaches of Ten Modern Theologians (IVP Academic, 2021), and has published in Nova et Vetera and the Journal of Theological Interpretation.
Joel and his wife Amber live in Chicago with their two sons, Matthias and Isaac.
Episode Talking Points
- Growing up years and coming to faith in Christ
- Loving God and others with your mind in academics
- Help! I'm a science person in a conservative evangelical church
- Interdisciplinary dialogue
Resources
- Henry Center
- Joel's Book

TMCP 111: Bill Ury on Why Holiness is Such a Beautiful Thing
Dr. Ury is the National Ambassador of Holiness for the Salvation Army. He is a world-renowned scholar on Wesleyan Holiness and Systematic Theology. Bill completed his M. Phil. and Ph.D in Theological and Religious Studies at Drew University (Madison, New Jersey) in 1991. Prior to that, Dr. Ury earned his M. Div. in 1983 at Asbury Theological Seminary. He was a Professor of Systematic and Historical Theology at Wesley Biblical Seminary (Jackson, Mississippi) from 1989-2012; and pastored the Elizabeth City (North Carolina) EMC from 2012-2017.
Episode Talking Points
- What if you associate the term holiness with a denomination?
- How is holiness defined?
- What is holiness all about?
- How do we live a holy life?
Resources

TMCP 110: Dave and Ezra on Why Life Is So Important
In this episode, Dave and Ezra discuss the recent overturn of Roe Vs. Wade, laws on gun control, and what it should look like for a Christian to enjoy life.

TMCP 109: Michael Bird on Whether Christians Should Resist Living in a Secular Culture
Dr. Michael Bird is an Australian biblical scholar and Anglican priest who writes about the history of early Christianity, theology, and contemporary issues. Mike is Academic Dean and Lecturer in Theology at Ridley College in Melbourne, Australia. He is the author of over thirty books including Evangelical Theology, Seven Things I Wish Christians Knew About the Bible, Romans (SGBC), The Gospel of the Lord: How the Early Church Wrote the Story of Jesus, What Christians Ought To Believe, and with N.T. Wright, The New Testament in its World.
He enjoys tennis, reading, and red wine. He is married to Naomi and they have four children.
Episode Talking Points
- Michael's growing up years and coming to faith in Christ
- Michael's stint in the military
- A global perspective on gun control
- Why rightly understood secularism is good for religious freedom
- The dangers of conservative nationalism and progressive authoritarianism
- A Thessalonian strategy for apologetics
Resources