
The Same Drugs
By Meghan Murphy

The Same Drugs May 22, 2023

Porn is hijacking your sexuality
Pornography is now fully mainstream, accepted as a harmless, normal, expected part of men's lives. Social media, the internet, dating apps and sites like OnlyFans have incorporated porn into our lives such that it is unavoidable. Kids are exposed to porn as early as nine years old. Those who are critical of the porn industry are labelled as "sex-negative," old-fashioned, censorial, shaming, or prudish. That said, things seem to be changing as more and more men are waking up to the impact of porn on their mental health, relationships, sexualities, and lives. Men are talking to other men (and boys) about the harms of porn, opening up a new and necessary conversation.
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Daniel Principe, Collective Shout’s youth advocate and educator, about his experience growing up with porn, why he stopped consuming it, and what the impact of porn has been on young people today.
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Robin Dunbar on friends—the real secret to a long and happy life
Friends are fun, but they bring much more to our lives than just company. In his book, Friends: Understanding the Power of our Most Important Relationships, Robin Dunbar explains why, beyond mental health benefits, friends offer longer, healthier lives. (And no, online friends don't count.)
Robin is an anthropologist, evolutionary psychologist, and head of the Social and Evolutionary Neuroscience Research Group at the University of Oxford. Meghan Murphy speaks with him about why we need friends, how to make them, what the magic number of friends is, and why human touch is the real truth-teller.
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San Francisco sucks: Leighton Woodhouse on addiction, crime, and the Twitter files
Leighton Woodhouse is a journalist and documentary filmmaker. He also co-founded Public on Substack with Michael Shellenberger, where the two of them have been doing some excellent reporting on addiction, homelessness, prostitution, crime, and policing in San Francisco. They also, of course and famously, reported on the Twitter files. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Leighton about the situation in San Francisco and how it got so bad, the Twitter files, and his political trajectory, which went from very left to questioning the ideologies and political views he'd long been advocating.
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Almost two hours of girlhood, with Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay is a Canadian journalist, author, and editor of Quillette. He hosts the Quillette podcast and was a long time columnist and editor at the National Post. In this episode, Meghan speaks with Jon about trans-identified males in women's disc golf, Dylan Mulvaney's girlhood, Jon's fast food and related exercise addiction, the end of Twitter's misgendering ban, Adrienne Smith's indoctrination workshop, feminism, and more.
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Why is the Canadian government trying to regulate what you see online?
Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party is trying to push through a bill that would give the government the power to filter what Canadians see in their news feeds, on YouTube, and on social media. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with journalist Rupa Subramanya about Bill C-11 and its consequences, should the bill become legislation. Read her article, "Trudeau’s Battle Against a Free Internet," at The Free Press.
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Matt Thornton on martial arts, self-defense, building a healthier relationship to violence
Matt Thornton received his blue belt from the legendary Rickson Gracie in 1993 and was the first person in the state of Oregon to receive a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He also gave John Kavanagh, father of MMA in Ireland and trainer to UFC legend Conor McGregor, his black belt. Matt’s school, Straight Blast Gym (SBG), became Oregon’s first MMA-style gym. His book, "The Gift of Violence: Practical Knowledge for Surviving and Thriving in a Dangerous World," comes out on April 11th, 2023.
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Mary Harrington thinks feminism needs to go back — way back
Has feminism gone too far? UK writer and author of Feminism Against Progress, Mary Harrington, thinks so. In fact, she thinks we need to go back — way back. Modern technologies, cosmetic surgeries that chase youth eternally, and interventions like the pill have not offered women freedom or empowerment, leading us to wonder if things should have stopped with the first wave. Certainly, Mary believes we should be moving in an entirely different direction. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Mary about her anti-futuristic vision of the future.
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Michael Shellenberger on how the left got climate change, addiction, and prostitution wrong
Michael Shellenberger is a leading energy expert, founder and president of Environmental Progress, cofounder of the California Peace Coalition, and the best-selling author of San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities and Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All. He recently co-founded Public, an investigative and exploratory journalism platform, on Substack, with journalist Leighton Woodhouse. Michael lives in Berkeley, California.
I spoke with him about the ways progressives are getting everything from climate change, the addiction crisis, and prostitution legislation wrong, advocating for solutions that do more harm than good.
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Stephanie Winn on therapy, narcissism, and why kids think 'gender identity' is the problem
Stephanie Winn is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, host of the You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist podcast, and Associate Producer of a new documentary called Affirmation Generation: The Lies of Transgender Medicine, which talks to detransitioners, therapists, doctors, and other experts about the "trans youth" trend and its impact on young people.
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Jamie Kilstein on being #metood, quitting porn, and becoming a better man
Jamie Kilstein is a comedian who was a woke, cancel culture-devotee, before being cancelled himself. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about being cancelled, quitting porn, jiu jitsu, masculinity, and more. Follow Jamie on Twitter @jamiekilstein and on Instagram @thejamiekilstein.
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Jared Klickstein on our misguided approach to homelessness and addiction
Jared Klickstein was an addict for many years, ending up on Skid Row, in and out of jail and the hospital before finally getting clean. He recently wrote an article for Public about the real cause of homelessness and how to better address the growing problem of addiction, crime, and homelessness. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jared about his life and experiences, as well as his views on harm reduction and addiction.
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How do you become a psychopath? Jon Uhler on psychopathy, sex criminals, and porn
Jon Uhler is a Licensed Professional Counselor, sex offender treatment provider, and certified clinical trauma professional. Over his 30 year career, Jon has worked in clinical and administrative capacities, in outpatient settings with individuals, couples, and families, in hospital settings, in intensive day treatment settings, in residential treatment programs, and in secure facilities. Prior to his work with incarcerated men, he spent years working with sexual abuse survivors. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jon about how psychopaths are made, the role porn plays in sex crimes, and what he learned talking to predators in prison.
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Peter Boghossian on how to have tough conversations and change minds in a world that avoids both
Peter Boghossian had been a professor of Philosophy at Portland State University for a decade when he famously resigned in September 2021, on account of harassment and an increasingly illiberal atmosphere, limiting free thought, free speech, and critical discourse. He is now engaged in a "Street Epistomology" project, wherein he engages the public in conversations about controversial topics, encouraging them to question their beliefs and maybe even change their minds. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about the project, how to disagree with friends, and why he loves My 600-lb Life.
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Benjamin Dichter on how truckers ended the pandemic
Benjamin Dichter was one of the key organizers behind the Freedom Convoy that brought Canadians together last year to demand an end to lockdowns and mandates. He recently published a book about what happened behind the scenes, how the media acted as a tool of big government, and how the truckers saved Canada. Almost a year after the truckers saved Canada from authoritarianism, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about what happened behind the scenes and the political changes he sees on the horizon.
Find Honking for Freedom: The Trucker Convoy that gave us hope online.
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Shannon Thrace was married to a man who decided he wanted to be a woman
Shannon Thrace was happily partnered with Jamie for 14 years when he decided he wanted to transition. Shannon's memoir, 18 Months, describes her confusion and heartbreak at watching the man she loved become an entirely different person — narcissistic, moody, selfish, dramatic, and depressed. The physical changes didn't help either. 18 Months tells a compelling story about the trans trend and its impact on men, women, and relationships.
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Tristan Hopper on everything wrong with Canada in 2022
Tristan Hopper is a Canadian journalist writing for the National Post. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about all the bad policy 2022 brought Canadians — from MAID to gun law — as well as the great policy on Costco hotdogs.
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Jennifer Sey left a corporate career she loved to tell the truth
Jennifer Sey rose through the ranks over almost 23 years at Levi Strauss & Co, and was on track to become the first female CEO of the company when she resigned. After speaking out against school closures during the Covid lockdowns, Jennifer was told to stop talking. She refused.
Jennifer is the author of Chalked Up, an autobiography of her time as an elite gymnast, and a producer of Athlete A, a documentary about sexual assault in gymnastics. Her new book is called Levi's Unbuttoned.
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jennifer last week about her career, her experiences in gymnastics, and why she spoke up about the Covid response.
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How to outrage everyone: Jimbob's Savage Memes refuse to pick sides
Jimbob is on his fifth Instagram account — banned repeatedly for his comics and memes that use satire to point to hypocrisy on the left, right, and centre. This puts him at odds with all sorts of people, but it also keeps his satire free from the kind of political biases that can end up feeling heavy-handed and obvious. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jimbob about his politics, his art, and the trajectory of our technocratic society. Jimbob has a new book out, "SAVAGE MEMES VOL. 4," available for purchase on his website.
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Genevieve Gluck on the truth behind the trans trend
The truth few are willing to acknowledge about the men who transition to become "women" is the sexual aspect. There is a dark underbelly to what has been framed as a movement for "trans rights," erased by progressives and trans activists. Genevieve Gluck, co-founder of Reduxx and host of the Women's Voices podcast, has delved deeper than most. I spoke with her about what drives men's desire to transition, and how things like pornography, autogynephilia, even drag queen story hour all play a part.
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Pamela Garfield-Jaegar is bringing truth to therapy
Pamela Garfield-Jaegar calls herself "The Truthful Therapist." She has spent over 20 years as a social worker and therapist, and is now working to help parents and youth navigate an evermore politicized therapy industry, where more and more kids are being medicalized unnecessarily, and where parents and therapists alike are pressure to prioritize ideology over truth. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with her about over-diagnosing mental illness and over-prescribing pharmaceuticals, as well as the problems with narratives surrounding "trans kids."
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David "El Necio" Diaz on bare knuckle boxing and changing your life
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with David "El Necio" Diaz, an up and coming champion in the bare knuckle boxing world with an incredibly inspiring story to tell. Meghan spoke with Necio from LA, where he recently attended the premiere of a new documentary series being produced about his life and fight, as he was in his final week of prepping for his fight in Orlando on November 5.
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'Vancouver is Dying' — Aaron Gunn on Vancouver's growing drug and crime problem
Vancouver's Downtown Eastside has long been notorious for open drug use, homelessness, and crime, but in recent years things have gotten noticeably worse. What was once relegated to a relatively small area of the city has spilled out into many other neighbourhoods, with stranger attacks now happening daily and overdose deaths through the roof. What happened? And how do we fix it? Aaron Gunn is an independent journalist and host of Politics Explained, a series exploring politics in Canada and the issues facing Canadians today. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Aaron about his documentary, "Vancouver is Dying."
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Americans are being misled about meat — finding ethical meat is hard, but Ben Spell wants to help
It's 2022, do you know where your meat comes from? Probably not. Dishonest labeling, loopholes, and misleading claims about sustainability and health sell people lies about the meat they buy. We are sold meat claiming to be all-American and antibiotic-free that is anything but. Moreover, we are told meat is unhealthy and bad for the environment, in an attempt to sell processed "plant-based" or lab-grown "meat" products that are neither healthy nor ethical. Benjamin Spell is the Founder and CEO of Good Ranchers, a company that delivers high quality meat, sourced ethically from American farmers, that is actually antibiotic and hormone-free, to Americans. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about what the meat industry isn't telling you, where your "American" meat actually comes from, the harms of fake meat, and how you can choose ethical meat and support American farmers.
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Erin Friday on why we need to stop transitioning kids now
Meghan Murphy speaks with Erin Friday, a San Francisco attorney and a member of Our Duty, an international group that opposes transgender ideology. She is also the mother of a formerly trans-identified child.
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"I've never experienced this level of division in Canada before" — Tara Henley on leaving the CBC
Tara Henley is a writer and podcaster based in Toronto, and the author of, "Lean Out: A Meditation on the Madness of Modern Life." She worked for the CBC for the better part of a decade before resigning in January, penning an open letter saying the broadcaster "went from being a trusted source of news to churning out clickbait that reads like a parody of the student press" and that, "To work at the CBC in the current climate is to embrace cognitive dissonance and to abandon journalistic integrity."
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Tara about the problems with Canada's national broadcaster, the CBC, the state of free speech in Canada, Justin Trudeau's impact on the country, what she learned from doing hip hop journalism, and how Canadian media as gone wrong.
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PayPal is banning people for political reasons — how can we fight back?
On September 15, PayPal froze the accounts of The Daily Sceptic and the Free Speech Union, both founded by Toby Young. While some progressives and liberals argue that tech companies like PayPal are private companies, and therefore have the right to deny services to whomever they like, the ramifications of this trend should deeply concern us all. PayPal restored Toby's accounts this week, but the fight isn't over!
I spoke to Toby live on YouTube on Thursday, September 29th at 4PM CT/5PMET.
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Greg Lukianoff is making free speech great again
Greg Lukianoff is co-author of The Coddling of the American Mind and CEO of FIRE, recently rebranded as the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (previously, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education). Before becoming FIRE’s President in 2006, he worked with the ACLU, which has famously adopted an ideological and activist approach to issues of speech, censorship, and open debate of late, in contrast with their past work defending free speech for all, even the Nazis.
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Greg about why younger generations no longer value free speech, what cancel culture accomplishes, and how to remind the world why freedom of speech matters.
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West is Best: Konstantin Kisin reminds us not to take the West for granted, despite elite cynicism
Konstantin Kisin is a Russian-British comedian, co-host of Triggernometry, and the author of, "An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West." In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about the realities of life under communism, political correctness, feminism, the conflict in the Ukraine, Sam Harris, Matt Walsh, his new book, and more!
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Canada's road to Beijing — John Carpay on the Trudeau government's move towards a digital ID
John Carpay is the founder and president of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF). Meghan Murphy speaks with him about the ongoing enforcement of the ArriveCan app on those entering Canada, the Trudeau government's plan to introduce a "digital ID," and the potential for this to lead to a China-style social credit system.
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Kevin Bardosh on the consequences of Covid policy in Canada
Kevin Bardosh is a social scientist, affiliate assistant professor at the University of Washington’s School of Public Health, and lead author of a paper published in February, called, “The Unintended Consequences of COVID-19 Vaccine Policy: Why mandates, passports, and segregated lockdowns may cause more harm than good.” The paper looks at unintended consequences of COVID policy in the areas of behavioural psychology, political and legal effects, socioeconomics, and the integrity of science and public health.
Meghan Murphy speaks with him about what he found in his research and how COVID vaccine policies and lockdown measures, framed as efforts to protect people from serious illness and death, may have been counterproductive and damaging to public health.
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Terry Glavin on fake mass graves and Trudeau's woke lies
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Terry Glavin, a Canadian journalist, author, and columnist at the Ottawa Citizen and the National Post. After publishing a piece outlining the journalistic failures leading to national headlines falsely claiming the discovery of "mass unmarked graves of Indigenous children" at the sites of former Residential Schools in Canada, Terry was slandered across social media and the Canadian literary landscape as "a residential school denialist” and "racist," despite his long history of work with Indigenous peoples and that he was correct: no "mass graves" were ever discovered, as reported. Meghan speaks with him about his reporting, the real story, and about the problems with journalism in Canada.
Terry is the author of numerous books, including "The Last Great Sea: A Voyage Through the Human and Natural History of the North Pacific Ocean." His work has covered regional and global politics, natural history, and anthropology. He has published numerous books and articles about Indigenous peoples, cultures, histories, politics, and issues, including, "Nemiah: The Unconquered Country" and "A Death Feast in Dimlahamid." Glavin was awarded the Lieutenant Governor's Award for Literary Excellence in 2009. Find Terry on Substack at The Real Story.
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Ok cultist? James Lindsay on drag queen story hour, neo-Marxism, and his Twitter ban
James Lindsay, the man who dared insist 2+2 never equals 5, has been permanently suspended from Twitter. Meghan Murphy spoke with him live on Sunday, August 7th about kids and gender, drag queen story hour, queer politics, and what he means by “groomer.” James is a mathematician, author, and cultural critic. His podcast, New Discourses, is on YouTube.
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Batya Ungar-Sargon on how journalism went woke
How did media and journalism become the domain of the elite? Why does liberal media only represent the ideologies, politics, and narratives of a tiny fraction of the population? What happened to reporting for the masses?
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Batya Ungar-Sargon — deputy opinion editor at Newsweek and author of the book you all must read immediately, "Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy" — about these issues and more.
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Yannis Pappas on wokeness, YouTube, and why people become comics
Yannis Pappas is a stand-up comedian, actor, and writer. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about why he became a comedian, how hardship can be good for people, why YouTube has gone after his content, and what the impact of “wokeness” has been on comedy.
Yannis’ podcast, “Long Days, with Yannis Pappas,” is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Watch his special, Mom Love, on YouTube. Follow Yannis on Instagram @yannispappas.
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Colin Wright was banned from PayPal and Etsy for standing for reality
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist pushed out of academia on account of his criticisms of gender identity ideology. He moved into journalism, working as an editor at Quillette before founding Reality's Last Stand, a publication dedicated to providing news, articles, and other content related to gender ideology and the science of sex differences. Colin was recently banned from PayPal and Etsy on account of his work at Reality's Last Stand.
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Taylor Silverman on being a female skateboarder and standing up for fair competition in her sport
Taylor Silverman was forced to take on the woke mob after she lost first place to a male competitor in a RedBull skateboarding competition. Meghan Murphy speaks with her about being a woman in a male-dominated sport and what happened when she decided to speak up online. Watch this episode on YouTube.
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Keri Smith on leaving the left
Keri Smith is the host of Deprogrammed, a co-founder and host at Unsafe Space, and the founder of Civility Dinners. Keri spent 20 years in what she calls the "social justice cult" before leaving, and now describes herself “former SJW" whose writing, lectures, and podcasts look critically at her old belief system. In this episode Meghan Murphy speaks with Keri about her experiences on the left, what she learned, and why she left.
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Drunk on power? Sarah Hepola on blackouts, women's binge drinking, and feminism
Along with women's empowerment and liberation has come the idea that women can and should "be like men," which has been applied to all sorts of areas, including sex and drinking. While freeing women to be themselves and no longer be restricted to oppressive gender roles has undoubtedly been a good thing, has the push to behave "like men" been harmful?
Sarah Hepola is the author of Blackout, a memoir about her relationship to alcohol and pattern of blacking out. Meghan Murphy speaks with her about sex, relationships, drinking, alcoholism, feminism, and more.
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Everyone think they're an outlier: Wokal Distance on conservatism, power, and the left
Wokal Distance is known for his epic Twitter threads breaking down woke politics, post-modernism, cancel culture, activist/academic jargon, and more. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about conservatism, the aims of the left, why the woke want to cancel Joe Rogan, and more.
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Mike Solana on political censorship, social media, and thought crime
Mike Solana is a Vice President at Founders Fund and the organizer of Hereticon, "a conference for thought crime" which took place in Miami in January. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about UFOs, gender, thought crime, social media censorship, Elon Musk, free speech, Joe Rogan, Bitcoin, the future of Twitter, and more. Find Mike's writing at Pirate Wires.
This conversation took place on April 13th.
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Daryl Davis on why you should make friends with your enemies
Daryl Davis is a musician who has traveled the world, learning much in the process about ignorance, bigotry, and the value of talking to those different than you. He famously managed to convert around 200 neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and members of the Ku Klux Klan simply by talking to them. Recently, Daryl partnered with Minds, an alternative social media platform committed to free speech. In March, the Change Minds initiative published "The Censorship Effect: An analysis of the consequences of social media censorship and a proposal for an alternative moderation model," co-authored by Minds founder, Bill Ottman, and Daryl Davis. Meghan Murphy speaks with Daryl about racism in America, why you should make friends with your enemies, and the impact of social media censorship.
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Michelle Evans is standing up for parents (and kids!) in Texas
Michelle Evans is a mom, and is running to serve as State Representative in Texas House District 136. She began to feel concerned about the way schools were restricting parents' access to their kids, and moreso when she learned they were being taught gender identity ideology, and the homophobic and sexist ideas attached to that. Meghan Murphy speaks with her about her concerns and her campaign.
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Jake Shields on Jiu-Jitsu, masculinity, and Will Smith
Do all good men do Jiu-Jitsu? In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jake Shields, a champion MMA fighter and Jiu-Jitsu black belt, about how men benefit from Jiu-Jitsu training, Lia Thomas’ swimming “win,” and Will Smith’s Oscars outburst.
This conversation took place on Monday, March 28th.
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Katie Herzog on the botched case of Florian Jaeger, #MeToo'd despite being cleared of all 'charges'
Journalist and co-host of Blocked and Reported, Katie Herzog, did a deep dive into the case of Florian Jaeger, the University of Rochester professor accused of sexual assault and harassment, cleared of all "charges" numerous times, but whose career and reputation was destroyed regardless. Those who accused him have remained unaccountable in terms of these disproven allegations, and have enjoyed illustrious careers, in some cases celebrated as heros of the #MeToo movement.
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'Haunted by phantom honking': Jon Kay on the Freedom Convoy and Trudeau's Canada
Meghan Murphy speaks with Jonathan Kay about Prime Minister Trudeau's response to the Freedom Convoy, the revoking of the Emergencies Act, the impact of this political divide on Canadians, what happened to the left in Canada, and what this all means for Trudeau's career. Jon is a journalist, the Canadian editor and podcast host for Quillette, a National Post columnist, and an author. This interview took place on March 2, 2022.
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This is a class war: Trish Wood on the Covid response, the media, and disdain for the working class
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Trish Wood about the impact of the Covid response, media culpability, and what's next for Canada. Trish is an award-winning Canadian journalist and host of the Trish Wood is Critical podcast. For nearly 10 years she was a host of Emmy Award-winning investigative current affairs series, The Fifth Estate. Trish's latest project is five-part documentary series about the Ted Bundy murders.
This episode was recorded on Wednesday, February 16.
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Justin Trudeau invokes the Emergency Act in an attempt to curtail democracy
Meghan Murphy speaks with Jay Cameron, a lawyer with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF), after Prime Minister Trudeau announces he will be invoking the Emergencies Act in an effort to stop the legal protests happening in opposition to Covid-related mandates and restrictions in Canada. This interview took place on February 14, 2022.
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BJ Dichter on the Canadian truckers' #FreedomConvoy
Meghan Murphy speaks with co-organizer and spokesman for the Freedom Convoy, BJ Dichter, about the roots of the movement, the media coverage, the response from progressives, and the end goal. This interview took place on Thursday, February 3rd.
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Garrett Jonsson of Fight the New Drug on why you should stop using porn
Garrett Jonsson is a public speaker and the host of Fight the New Drug’s podcast, Consider Before Consuming. He identifies himself as a compulsive porn user who quit, and became an advocate, speaking to people across the country about the harmful impact of porn. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Garrett about his experiences with porn, how it impacted his relationship — both with himself and his partner — why he stopped consuming, and his approach to talking with others about porn use.
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Christopher Ferguson on how mental illness is shaping culture, politics, and history
Christopher Ferguson is a professor of psychology at Stetson University and the author of, "How Madness Shaped History: An Eccentric Array of Maniacal Rulers, Raving Narcissists, and Psychotic Visionaries." In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about mental illness, personality disorders, and "madness," and how these have all shaped history, as well as about how our modern understanding of things like anxiety, depression, and narcissism, is impacting discourse, politics, and individual lives.
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Naama Kates on Incels — dangerous misogynists or lonely, sad men?
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Naama Kates, producer and host of the Incel podcast, which delves deep into the world of the mostly young men who identify as "involuntary celibates." These men have been blamed for misogyny and mass shootings in the media and by feminists, but are they truly dangerous and hateful? Or just depressed and lonely?
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Live with Bridget Phetasy!
Meghan Murphy speaks with Bridget Phetasy about women, sex, addiction, relationships, and more! Bridget is an American comedian, writer, and host of Walk-Ins Welcome. Find her on Twitter @BridgetPhetasy
This conversation originally aired live on YouTube on December 7, 2021.
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Isabella Malbin on bodily autonomy and the misguided abortion debate
Meghan Murphy speaks with Isabella Malbin about bodily autonomy, the abortion debate, and whether people who say "my body my choice" really mean it.
Isabella is a home birth consultant, life coach, hypnotist, and YouTuber. She was kicked out of a US based Fertility Awareness training in 2020 for refusing to use gender neutral terms to describe women.
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Rav Arora on psychedelics, racism, police violence, and the Covid situation in Canada
Rav Arora is a 20-year-old Canadian journalist covering vaccine mandates, racial identity politics, psychedelics, and meditation. This conversation originally aired live on November 18th on Patreon.
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Helen Joyce takes on gender identity in her new book, 'Trans'
Helen Joyce is a journalist who has worked at The Economist since 2005. She recently published a book about gender identity, called, "Trans: When ideology meets reality." In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Helen about the origins of transsexualism, how we got to where we are today, and why this matters to women.
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Jake Shields tells us what he really thinks
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jake Shields, a longtime champion MMA fighter who spoke out against males competing against females in the sport, after Alana McLaughlin beat Celine Provost in an MMA fight at Combate Global on September 10 in Miami. Jake faced a wave of hate and backlash over his criticisms. Meghan and Jake discuss MMA, the debate over transwomen competing against females, "woke" culture, the Covid response, San Francisco, and more.
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Carole Hooven on testosterone and the male body
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Carole Hooven, an evolutionary biologist and the author of "T: The Story of Testosterone," a fascinating book about how testosterone drives male behavior and why it's important to understand, rather than reject biological truths about men and women.
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Karin Litzcke on why the PPC could be the alternative Canadians are looking for
Karin Litzcke is the Vancouver East candidate for the People's Party of Canada — an alternative to the traditional three parties dominating Canadian politics. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Karen about vaccine passports, Justin Trudeau's decision to call an early election, the Liberal party's approach to Covid, why so many are leaving the left, and what the People's Party of Canada could offer Canadians.
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Jeanna Hoch is a stripper who found radical feminism
Jeanna Hoch is a cannabis activist, the owner of Canna Mama Clinic, a feminist, and has worked in strip clubs for about 20 years. She encountered controversy in her cannabis work, then again when she began speaking out about gender identity ideology, finding radical feminism in the process. Unfortunately, she wasn't received well by some radical feminists online, who felt her work and views on her job at a strip club were in conflict with their goals of female liberation. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with her about her views on the sex industry, her experiences working in strip clubs, how she feels about men who frequent strip clubs, and how she has been received by radical feminists.
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Richie Hardcore on porn, masculinity, Muay Thai, and becoming a better person
Richie Hardcore is a Muay Thai coach, personal trainer, and public speaker. Richie spends much of his life trying help others improve their lives: he's spent time as a community worker in drug and alcohol harm reduction, is a campaigner against domestic and sexual violence, and a sexual consent educator. Richie is passionate about helping to overturn this country’s mental health statistics. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about how to engage men and boys in critical conversations about porn; the impact of porn consumption on youth, how porn impacts our relationships and intimacy, as well as how Muay Thai has changed his live and the lives of others.
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Bill Ottman on the problems with social media and how we can fix them
Bill Ottman is the co-founder and CEO of Minds, a free and open source social network with crypto rewards. I spoke to him this week about the problems with social media and how we can do things better.
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Danielle Crittenden Frum on feminism, marriage, and gender roles in the modern world
Danielle Crittenden Frum is an author, journalist, and host of the Femsplainers podcast. She published, "What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us: Why Happiness Eludes the Modern Woman" in 1999, which argues that modern feminism pushes women towards careers at the expense of their happiness. Danielle's work has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Daily Telegraph, among other publications. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Danielle about marriage, motherhood, feminism, masculinity, and femininity.
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Trans activists want to force BC courts to adopt "preferred pronouns"
In December, the Chief Justice of the B.C. Supreme Court and B.C. Provincial Court issued a practice directive advising lawyers and the public that all parties appearing in court would be asked to specify "preferred pronouns." How this could impact cases dealing with gender identity and parental rights is troubling, considering recent cases wherein parents opposed the transitioning of their kids. Shahdin Farsai, an Iranian-Canadian lawyer practicing in British Columbia, spoke out, expressing concerns about compelled speech and how such a policy might impact a client’s legal interests. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Shahdin about her arguments and experiences attempting to stand up to trans activists in the legal industry.
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Nancy Jo Sales on her life in the dating app inferno
Nancy Jo Sales is a New York Times bestselling author and award-winning journalist who is known for covering youth culture, celebrity culture, and social media. Her new book is, "Nothing Personal: My Secret Life in the Dating App Inferno." Meghan Murphy speaks with her about modren day relationships and why women should get off dating apps.
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Jay Cameron on Bill C-10—the Liberal's attempt to regulate Canadians' online speech
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jay Cameron, Litigation Director at the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF) — a non-profit law firm dedicated to the education and defence of Canadians constitutional rights — about Bill C-10, the Broadcasting Act reform bill, which threatens to regulate online speech in Canada.
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali on modern feminism and her new book, Prey
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Born in Somalia, Ayaan was subjected to FGM (female genital mutilation) as a child, then forced marriage, at which point she fled to Holland and sought political asylum. There, she worked her way up from being a janitor to serving as an elected member of the Dutch parliament, where she campaigned to raise awareness of violence against women, honor killings and FGM. In 2004, Theo van Gogh, the director of Ayaan's short film, "Submission," about the oppression of women under Islam, was murdered by an Islamic extremist. The assassin left a death threat for Ayaan pinned to Van Gogh's chest. Her new book, "Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women’s Rights," addresses the undermining of women’s rights in Europe in the wake of mass migration.
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Jonathan Kay on rape, due process, and the Steven Galloway case
In 2015, acclaimed Canadian novelist and head of the University of British Columbia's the creative writing program, Steven Galloway, was accused of sexual assault. Despite there being no evidence to support the allegations, Galloway was suspended and subsequently fired from UBC. The situation caused a dramatic rift in the CanLit community, likely irreparable. Galloway is now suing about two dozen people connected to the allegations against him. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jonathan Kay — journalist, former editor-in-chief of The Walrus, former editor and columnist at The National Post, and current Canadian editor at Quillette — about the case, the consequences, and the likely outcome.
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Lindsay Shepherd on diversity, exclusion, and the free speech crisis on campus
Lindsay Shepherd rose to fame after being reprimanded for showing an interview with Jordan Peterson in a class she was TA'ing at Wilfrid Laurier University in 2017. Meghan Murphy speaks with Lindsay about her recently published book about the ordeal, called, "Diversity and Exclusion: Confronting the Campus Free Speech Crisis."
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Konstantin Kisin on vaccine passports, the Covid response, fear, life, and death
Konstantin Kisin is a comedian and co-host of TRIGGERnometry. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with him about "vaccine passports," the Covid response, fear, humanity, comedy, and why people hate Jordan Peterson.
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Jodi Shaw is fighting a 'racially hostile' environment at Smith College
Meghan Murphy speaks with Jodi Shaw, a staffer at Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts, a divorced mother of two children, a lifelong liberal, and an alumna of the college. In February, she resigned over allegations that the school was a "racially hostile environment."
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Debunking myths about gender identity with Colin Wright
How irrational is gender identity theory, really? How do arguments against binary sex stack up? In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Colin Wright, an evolutionary biologist and Managing Editor of Quillette. We address common claims about gender identity, the reality of biology, and why the truth matters.
Find Colin's writing on science and pseudoscience, free speech, wokeness, academia, and the gender identity debate at Reality's Last Stand on Substack.
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Ian Leslie on how to disagree (except about The Beatles)
Meghan Murphy speaks with Ian Leslie about Paul McCartney, why The Beatles are the greatest band of all time, and how we can all disagree better. His book, "Conflicted: How Productive Disagreements Lead to Better Outcomes," is published by Harper Collins. Read, "64 Reasons to Celebrate Paul McCartney" on Substack.
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Rob Tracinski wants to replace 'left vs right' with 'liberal vs illiberal'
Meghan Murphy speaks with Rob Tracinski about his article, "Canceled? Welcome to Our World," published at Persuasion, as well as about the fundamental differences between the left and right and how we can rise above polarization in defense of freedom. Rob proposes a "neo-classical liberal coalition, in which the more liberal wings of both the left and the right make common cause."
Robert Tracinski is editor of The Tracinski Letter and author of So Who Is John Galt, Anyway? A Reader's Guide to Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
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Heather Heying on gender identity, Twitter, and the lab leak theory
Heather Heying is an evolutionary biologist who was a professor Evergreen College until she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, were pushed to resign in 2017, after Bret was subjected to a social justice-style witch hunt. In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Heather about gender identity, evolutionary biology, Twitter, the algorithm, the Covid lab leak theory, and more!
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Ani O'Brien on the problems with modern feminism
Meghan Murphy speaks with Ani O'Brien about why feminists have failed on free speech, her experience of fighting for women's rights in a world that wants to erase biological sex, the problem with hate speech laws, and the challenge of dealing with intra-movement attacks. Ani is a political commentator and spokeswoman of Speak Up For Women (SUFW), a non-partisan organization that exists to protect and advance the rights and interests of women and girls in New Zealand. Find Speak Up For Women online: https://speakupforwomen.nz/
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Do Trudeau's new travel restrictions violate the Charter?
On Friday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced new travel restrictions in Canada, including forcing Canadians returning home to quarantine in a government-designated hotel, on their own dime, which Trudeau promises will cost at least $2000. This is despite the fact that international travel accounts for just two per cent of COVID-19 cases in Canada. The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF) is fighting back, having already mounted a number of challenges in response to Covid-related restrictions, and recently announced that immediate legal action is being prepared against the Trudeau government over the declaration that Canadian residents will be subjected to mandatory quarantine, at their own expense, after returning from international travel, regardless of their negative COVID status.
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Lisa Bildy about the Covid response in Canada and how the JCCF is fighting back. Lisa has worked with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms since 2019.
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Helen Pluckrose on postmodernism, feminism, and Cynical Theories
Meghan Murphy speaks with Helen Pluckrose, co-author of Cynical Theories and one of the masterminds behind the Grievance Studies hoax, about postmodernism, feminism, what liberalism actually means, and why she manages to "annoy everyone." This interview took place on January 5, 2021, and was initially only made available to patrons. Learn more about Counterweight.
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Matt Taibbi wants a better media channel for a less polarized America
Meghan Murphy speaks with Matt Taibbi — an American author, journalist, and podcaster — about Donald Trump, Joe Biden, the attack on the Capitol, domestic terrorism, and how American media can (and must) do better. Matt is the author of: "The Business Secrets of Drug-Dealing: Adventures of the Unidentified Black Male," "Hate Inc.: Why Today's Media Makes Us Despise One Another," "I Can't Breathe," "Insane Clown President," "The Divide," "Griftopia," and "The Great Derangement." You can follow Matt's work on Substack.
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Tom Slater on free speech, Big Tech, and Trump
Meghan Murphy speaks with Tom Slater, deputy editor at spiked, about whether social media bans are an infringement on free speech, what precedent Donald Trump's ban sets, and why so many are failing to see the big picture. Read Tom's article, "They're IT guys, and we let them silence a president" at The Times. Follow him on Twitter @Tom_Slater_
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Kat Rosenfield wants to help you stay sane in an insane world
Meghan Murphy speaks with author and co-host of Feminine Chaos, Kat Rosenfield, about Bean Dad, Mimi Groves, cancel culture, feminism, consent, contrarian women, casual sex, and YA drama. Kat is the resident advice columnist at Persuasion, where she responds to reader letters about pronouns, woke gaming, and the most appropriate way to ask out a waitress. Kat's new book, "NO ONE WILL MISS HER," will be out Fall 2021.
This episode live streamed on YouTube on Monday, January 4th, 2012.
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Peter Hitchens — 'I wish you an angry Christmas, not a merry one'
Meghan Murphy speaks with Peter Hitchens about the Covid response, the fundamental problem with the left, why it's so hard to change one's mind, and more.
Peter is a journalist, a columnist for The Mail on Sunday, and a former foreign correspondent in Moscow and Washington. He is the author of numerous books, including, The Abolition of Britain, The Rage Against God, and The War We Never Fought.
This conversation took place on December 22, 2020.
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Benjamin Boyce goes gentle into that far right
Meghan Murphy and Benjamin Boyce chat about relationships, dating apps, feminism, casual sex, overthrowing "the system," and his being labelled "far right." This episode live streamed on YouTube on December 17, 2020.
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Vincent Emanuele is on the left, despite the left
In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Vincent Emanuele — a longtime leftist and community organizer — about community building, organizing, why the working class are abandoning the Democrats, organizing, why engaging with ordinary people matters, and how the left can do better. Vincent Emanuele is a writer, antiwar veteran, community organizer, and podcaster. He is the co-founder of PARC | Politics Art Roots Culture Media and the PARC Community-Cultural Center located in Michigan City, Indiana. He is also a member of Veterans For Peace and OURMC | Organized & United Residents of Michigan City, and Collective 20. This conversation took place on December 15, 2020.
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Marilyn Simon on weird bodies, bad women, and flawed feminism
Meghan Murphy speaks with Marilyn Simon, a Shakespeare scholar and university instructor, about modern feminism, objectification, bodies, humourless people, resilience, and more. Marilyn has written a number of articles for Quillette, exploring issues like feminism, sex, objectification, narcissism, victimhood, and femininity. I often find myself agreeing with some aspects and disagreeing in other areas. Marilyn is currently working on a book, entitled, Lovers: A Humanist's Ode to Sex.
This episode was originally published on YouTube on December 11, 2020.
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Brittany Talissa King on BLM, polarization, and the power of conversation
Brittany Talissa King is a freelance writer and journalist who founded a Black Lives Matter chapter in her hometown, Columbus, in 2016. I spoke with her on Tuesday about racism in America, performative white allyship, the election, the problem of polarization, the power of conversation, media bias, "I am not your hashtag," and why people vote for Trump.
Read Brittany's piece, "Free Black Thought," in Tablet. Find her piece, "I Am Not Your HashTag: Why I Am Critical Of White Allyship," at Medium. Follow Brittany on Twitter @kingtalissa. Brittany's podcast, American Shade, is on YouTube.
This episode was originally published on YouTube on November 11, 2020.
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Mark Crispin Miller on propaganda, masks, and academic freedom
Mark Crispin Miller is s a Professor of Media, Culture and Communication at New York University. He has published articles and essays in numerous newspapers, journals and magazines, including The Nation, Harper's, and The Wall Street Journal. In September, a student accused him, via Twitter, of questioning the efficacy of masks as a means to stop the spread of Covid, demanding he be fired from NYU. He is the author of several books, including Boxed In: The Culture of TV, The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National Disorder, Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney’s New World Order, and Fooled Again: The Real Case for Electoral Reform. He is also the editor of Seeing Through Movies and Loser Take All: Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008.
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This episode was originally published on YouTube on November 3, 2020.
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Brendan O'Neill on Covid lockdowns, Trump, Big Tech, and Samuel Paty
Brendan O'Neill is editor of Spiked and host of the Spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show, as well as a writer for The Spectator, The Australian and The Big Issue. I talked to him about the harms of Covid lockdowns, Big Tech censorship, working class people and the left, Donald Trump and the upcoming US election, the beheading of Samuel Paty and leftist failures to challenge Islamic extremism.
This interview was conducted on October 27, 2020. Watch this episode on YouTube.
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Abigail Shrier on girls and the trans trend
Abigail Shrier is a writer for the Wall Street Journal and the author of "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters." Meghan Murphy spoke with her on October 15, 2020 about why so many girls are suddenly identifying as trans, and attempting to transition to become the opposite sex, as well as the role of schools, parents, the medical establishment, and social media in all of this.
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Bret Weinstein explains everything
Meghan Murphy's conversation with Bret Weinstein took place on September 17th. They discuss feminism, gender, Unity 2020, cancel culture, free speech, Twitter, nature vs nurture, Black Lives Matter, Evergreen, and more. Bret is an Evolutionary Theorist who gained national attention after being targeted by student protests at Evergreen State College in Olympia, where he was employed as a professor at the time.
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Stuart Parker on identitarianism and the current state of the left
Stuart Parker is a longtime socialist, was the leader of the British Columbia Green Party from 1993 to 2000, and was leader of the BC Ecosocialists party in 2020, until he was forced to resign due to accusations of "transphobia." I spoke with him on September 28, 2020 about identitarianism, McCarthyism, the NDP, and the current state of the left.
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Dr James Cantor — when politics trump science
After publishing a blog post titled, "When a TERF is not a TERF" in July, leading Canadian sex researcher Dr. James Cantor got into a heated exchange on the Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality (SSSS) listserv. The post rather tepidly challenged the "always affirm" approach to kids who claim to be trans, suggesting there are valid questions to ask around the age at which a child may transition, and also pointed out that some of women's concerns about male access to women's spaces and sport might not qualify them as "transphobic." Because of this, he was accused of "violence," "harassment," and "hatred."
James was removed from the listserv as a result, leading him to quit the SSSS entirely, publishing a letter of resignation on August 10, saying:
"In the present culture war between science and popular appeal, the SSSS Board of Directors selected the latter. This is not the first time the SSSS Board abused their authority to silence science opposing their personal political views, and no valid organization can be in the name of science in name only. I am grateful to the other sexuality scientists who have resigned in sympathy, both publicly and privately."
James does not take a position on gender identity at all, but nonetheless was pilloried for even suggesting questions about the practices connected to transgenderism might be worth asking. While there is much James and I may disagree on, the push to politicize science is troubling, and the silencing of debate and critical thought around these issues is troubling.
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James Lindsay still thinks 2+2=4
James Lindsay is probably best known for the Grievance Studies hoax, wherein three scholars — James, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian — wrote 20 fake papers using critical theory jargon to argue for ridiculous conclusions, and submitted them to journals in fields like gender studies, queer studies, and fat studies. He has a doctorate in math and background in physics, and is the author of six books, spanning a range of subjects including religion, the philosophy of science, and postmodern theory. His most recent book, "How to have impossible conversations," is co-authored by Peter Boghossian. James is the co-founder of New Discourses. I spoke with him on August 11, 2020 about a month long online drama wherein a number of Critical Social Justice activists attempted to insist that two plus two does not always equal four, as well as about feminist theory, academia, the Grievance Studies hoax, and more.
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Jen Gerson holds the line
Jen Gerson is a Canadian journalist, who has worked with the National Post, the Globe and Mail, Toronto Star, Maclean's, the CBC, and Walrus. But, after many years, she became fed up with the Canadian media landscape. The culture had become suffocating, and she pined for more lively, provocative commentary on politics and culture in Canada. So she created a platform to do just that: The Line launched on July 27, 2020. Jen calls it "Canada's last, best hope for irreverent commentary, spirited debate, and liberal values." In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with about her experience in Canadian media, why the industry has become so dismal, and what needs to change. This episode originally aired on YouTube on July 29, 2020.
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Lisa Marchiano on new religions and activism
Meghan Murphy speaks with Lisa Marchiano, a Jungian analyst in private practice in Philadelphia and one of the hosts of the podcast This Jungian Life, about activism and movements as a new form of religion, as well as our codependent relationship with activists.
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MK Fain on trashing and infighting in feminism
Why does feminism seem hellbent on self-destruction these days? Well, it's nothing new... Jo Freeman wrote about trashing in the feminist movement back in the 70s. Today, thanks to online culture, it's ever more visible and pernicious. Rather than bringing women in, too often they feel pushed out. Those who try to make a difference, who end up in leadership roles, who gain a voice in the mainstream are torn down; women who fail to meet standards of purity politics are smeared and ejected from the movement. How can we do better? How can we replace toxicity with productivity? How can we better engage when feeling attacked? And why is this all happening in the first place? I spoke with MK Fain, founder of 4W, an American feminist online publication, and co-founder of Spinster, a feminist social media platform about the challenges she's faced in the feminist movement, both from enemies and "allies."
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Further resources: Jo Freeman's "Trashing: The Dark Side of Sisterhood."
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Jon Kay on Tom Cotton, Wendy Mesley, the CBC, and the disintegration of media
Jonathan Kay is a journalist; the Canadian editor and podcast host for Quillette; a National Post columnist; and an author, whose forthcoming Fall 2020 book will be about the history of American film exhibition. I spoke with him on Tuesday, June 16 about the current state of journalism, the New York Times meltdown over Tom Cotton's op-ed, the ousting of Wendy Mesley, the firing of David Shor, why we should consider defunding the CBC, and what a better model for media might be.
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Zaid Jilani on race, riots, defunding the police, privilege theory, and Amy Cooper
On Friday, June 5, I talked to journalist Zaid Jilani about the Black Lives Matter demonstrations, the impact of rioting, defunding the police, privilege theory, Amy Cooper, and more.
Zaid has published work at The Intercept, Jacobin, The Guardian, and Quillette.
Read his article, "White People Behaving Badly: The shaming of Amy Cooper and the problem with viral racism videos" at Arc Digital.
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Coleman Hughes on race, racism, police violence, and Black Lives Matter
Coleman Hughes is a writer living in New York City who has contributed to Quillette, The Spectator, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and more. In 2019, he testified before a U.S. House Judiciary subcommittee at a hearing on reparations for slavery. Meghan Murphy speaks with him and race and racism in America, the Black Lives Matter movement, police violence, the uprisings in response to the killing of George Floyd, the impact of rioting, and more. This interview originally aired on YouTube on June 2, 2020.
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Jonathan Kay on COVID, the lockdowns, and how to get the perfect frosted tips
Jonathan Kay is a longtime journalist, commentator, and editor. He is the Canadian editor and podcast host for Quillette, a National Post columnist, and an author, whose forthcoming Fall 2020 book will be about the history of American film exhibition. He's been analyzing the global data on COVID-19 cases, fatalities, transmission, and superspreaders for Quillette. Jon's article, "It's not the size of the event, but the behaviour that matters," is published at the National Post.
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Toby Young on free speech, no-platforming, and why social media censorship matters
Toby Young is the London associate editor of Quillette, associate editor of The Spectator, and the founder and General Secretary of the Free Speech Union.
While I am positive there is much we disagree on, we do share views on free speech and no platforming. In this episode, we talk about why the left has largely abandoned free speech, why social media censorship matters, and the value of public debate.
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Nancy Jo Sales on the false promises and harms of dating apps
Nancy Jo Sales is an award winning journalist, who has published work at Vanity Fair, The Guardian, New York Magazine, Harper's Bazaar, and more. She is the author of American Girls: Social Media and the Secret Lives of Teenagers and The Bling Ring: How A Gang of Fame-Obsessed Teens Ripped Off Hollywood and Shocked the World. Her HBO documentary, Swiped: Hooking Up in the Digital Age, is an investigation into how technology has changed the landscape of sex and dating.
She's focused much of her journalism, of late, on dating apps like Tinder; the impact of dating apps on women and girls; and the reality behind a form of technology that is so often treated as nothing more than a positive, fun, sexy convenience.
Meghan Murphy speaks to Nancy Jo about how dating apps work, the connection between dating apps and addiction, the impact of these apps on our self-esteem, mental health, relationships, and sex lives.
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Posie Parker thinks positive
Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, aka Posie Parker, is a British women's rights campaigner and YouTuber. I spoke with her on April 8, 2020 about feminism, the best ways to empower women, how she's coping with COVID lockdowns, and why she is so controversial.
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Mike Nayna on grievance studies & the trouble with social justice activism
Mike Nayna is a filmmaker living in Melbourne. His 2015 short, Digilante (recently picked up by The Atlantic), took a critical look at viral cancel culture and how the moral intentions of social justice warriors can go terribly wrong. He is currently working on a film about the "grievance studies" affair — a project of James A. Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, and Helen Pluckrose, who wanted to shine a light on poor scholarship in certain "social justice"-centered academic fields, such as gender and critical race studies. The three scholars submitted fake papers to academic journals to expose how easy it is to get “absurdities and morally fashionable political ideas published as legitimate academic research.” A number of the papers were published, including a 3000 word excerpt of Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf, rewritten in the language of intersectionality theory.
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Brendan O'Neill on the COVID lockdowns
Brendan O'Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show, as well as a writer for The Spectator, The Australian and The Big Issue. He's taken many controversial positions in his work, but few have garnered as much backlash as his view on the COVID lockdowns.
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Tiger Queens
Jean and Karen of Actual Feminism join Meghan Murphy in an invigorating discussion about Tiger King, The Jersey Shore, the joys of autism, the value of shame, and their most controversial opinions.
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Arielle Scarcella isn't scared of being cancelled
As a popular lesbian YouTuber, Arielle Scarcella has experienced her fair share of backlash. Recently, a number of queer activists attempted to deplatform her from the only lesbian panel at The Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras (SGLMG), leading Arielle to her last straw. In February, she posted a video announcing that she was "leaving the left."
Arielle and I have followed each other's work for a few years now, and I was very stoked to finally have her on for an interview!
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The Benjamin Boyce story
In this episode of The Same Drugs, Meghan Murphy speaks to Benjamin Boyce, who did incredible work documenting the Evergreen Scandal, revealing the very dark repercussions of identity politics, cancel culture, and the ways in which students are being taught to approach oppression, differing opinions, and politics.
We talk about Benjamin's work exposing Evergreen, gender, nature vs nuture, male/female relationships, intersectionality, a controversial tweet, his swollen ankle, and more!
This episode first aired on YouTube, on March 13, 2020.