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The Cost is Courage

The Cost is Courage

By Dr. Lisa K Baker/Melissa Dyer

The Cost is Courage is a conversational podcast about how hard it is to be human and the courage required. Each week Lisa and Melissa will pick apart everyday ordinary life experiences where you sometimes unexpectedly need to use courage. Whether you need a Champion or a Coach we're here for you.
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BONUS : An Update From the Show Hosts

The Cost is CourageMar 11, 2021

BONUS : An Update From the Show Hosts
Mar 11, 202103:58
EPISODE 45 : Conversation with Amy Debrucque

EPISODE 45 : Conversation with Amy Debrucque

What's requiring courage in your everyday ordinary life right now Amy?

I asked and she answered. Sharing the hard of having her military son deployed during the pandemic. Missing togetherness during the holidays and how pushing through with courage is a decision. She's walking out philosophy that courage gets the final say. Amy has a few wonderful offerings to share with women one of those is a new course.

The coupon is for the course workbook for FREE, it's normally $27.99 for the physical copy because it is so detailed and consists of 87 pages for  journaling, self-assessments, questionnaires, self-care wheel, quizzes and a multitude of resources. The code is FREEWBOOK and will be available to them until March 31st. The course itself is only $147.

Amy is an author, wife, mother, and daughter. She is a cancer-survivor and anxiety-overcomer. Her mission in this life is to give women the resources and tools to know that although fear is normal, courage gets the final say.

Mar 04, 202125:50
EPISODE 44 : Conversation with Julie Holmquist
Feb 25, 202119:29
EPISODE 43 : Conversation with Lisa Appelo
Feb 18, 202122:18
EPISODE 42 : Conversation with Ronne Rock
Feb 11, 202126:59
EPISODE 41 : Conversation with Camille McIntyre
Feb 04, 202123:22
EPISODE 40 : Conversation with Dorina Gilmore
Jan 28, 202122:11
EPISODE 39 : Conversation with Jodi Rosser
Jan 21, 202122:00
EPISODE 38 : Conversation with J.J. Gutierrez
Jan 14, 202125:07
EPISODE 37 : Courage to Face Forward

EPISODE 37 : Courage to Face Forward

Well, COURAGE SQUAD, we made it! Go us! 2020 was a doozie of a year, but the hard work's not over. Every year we need to reach down deep and cultivate new courage for the next. So to kick us off, we've put together a little primer on how to face forward into the New Year with courage. 

Why does it take courage to face forward? 

Let's consider these factors. The transition from 2020 to 2021 seems circumstantially unchanged. This might be the case for other years as well. And even though this is true, we can still choose to be intentional with our attitude and actions. With the growth we've experienced by getting through the challenges of 2020 we can face our current challenges with the courage we've acquired. Here's how.

A short list of different strategies to help you face forward.

1. Find time and space to be intentionally thoughtful to reflect. This can be an hour of alone time. Or a full day or even a retreat away from your everyday ordinary life. When you push back from the noise you can gain a broader perspective of what was, is, and could be in the future. No one is courageous when they are weary, busy, or frustrated.  It's critical to celebrate the highs, mourn the lows, and acknowledge that the vast majority of your days aren't as bad as you may be claiming them to be.

2. Set some goals. Setting goals and putting deadlines on the calendar in areas that are not necessarily work or productivity related. YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING. NOT A HUMAN DOING. When you are intentional about caring for yourself in every area of your life, you will fostering personal growth which aides in humaning well. Pay attention to areas that need rest, care, and enjoyment. Physical, creative, and learning goals are important to your overall personal growth.

3. Fly a banner. Choosing a WORD as a theme for your year can aid in focus and inspiration. 

4. Create a growth plan for yourself. It doesn't have to be a hard driven goal. Small steps can lead to consistency and consistency leads to long term growth. Create a plan to read more or learn a new skill. Maybe you need a plan to get your finances in order or begin to journal. Start small and practice daily. You'll be surprised how much you can grow in just a year when you start small and keep to it.

5. Develop a personal motto. A sentence that affirms what you're committed to and helps you hold yourself accountable when you want to quit! 

Any or all of these strategies will help you move forward into the New Year with intention. Whenever we align our intention, emotion, and effort we will see growth which feeds our courage. Remember, courage is anything that requires "strength of heart." As we face forward into a New Year and new season of The Cost Is Courage Podcast, we're excited to bring some new voices into the conversation. We hope you choice to stick with us as we all move into 2021 with courage!

Some additional encouragement and resources to help you face forward with courage can be found by listening back to these episodes from our first Season. Visit :

Episode 06 : Courage in Uncertainty

Episode 08 : Courage in Imperfect Action

Episode 09 : Courage to Try Again

Episode 18 : Courage to Hope

Episode 29 : Courage to Pivot

If you're interested in life planning or goal setting tools from Michael Hyatt, you can find those resources at

Don't forget to JOIN our Courage Squad and received our Favorite Books List for cultivating courage and our 14 Days of Courage daily devotional. And stay connected with us on Facebook and Instagram too! @CostIsCouragePodcast

Jan 07, 202123:07
EPISODE 36 : Courage to Reflect
Dec 31, 202025:01
EPISODE 35: Courage and Faith
Dec 24, 202015:17
Episode 34: Courage for the Future
Dec 17, 202014:50
Episode 33: Courage in Grief
Dec 10, 202024:09
EPISODE 32 : Courage in Overwhelm
Dec 03, 202022:05
EPISODE 31: Courage and Family
Nov 26, 202016:09
EPISODE 30 : Favorite Books for Cultivating Courage
Nov 19, 202024:33
EPISODE 29 : Courage to Pivot
Nov 12, 202018:31
EPISODE 28 : Courage to Adopt

EPISODE 28 : Courage to Adopt

In honor of November being National Adoption Month, Lisa shares more of her story in having the courage to consider and pursue adoption. 

This topic touches on so many of our previous episodes! Take a deep dive into our archives...

Courage in uncertainty (episode 6)

Courage in waiting (episode 7)

Courage in imperfect action (episode 8)

Courage to try again (episode 9)

Courage in yes/no (episodes 10/11)

Courage to feel (episode 17)

Courage in hope (episode 18)

Courage to love (episode 19)

Courage to pursue a dream (episode 20)

Courage in making decisions (episode 22)

Nov 05, 202023:52
EPISODE 27 : Courage to Cry
Oct 29, 202026:34
EPISODE 26 : Courage in Failure
Oct 22, 202020:18
EPISODE 25 : Courage in Success
Oct 15, 202016:57
EPISODE 24 : Courage to Say Hard Things
Oct 08, 202028:15
EPISODE 23 : Courage in Self-Awareness
Oct 01, 202023:20
EPISODE 22 : Courage in Making Decisions
Sep 24, 202023:34
EPISODE 21 : Everyday Courage
Sep 17, 202025:45
EPISODE 20 : Courage to Pursue a Dream

EPISODE 20 : Courage to Pursue a Dream

We are celebrating Melissa's book launch today! 

You can learn more about her book, Learning to Roar HERE. And take the Courage Persona Quiz HERE.

Going after a dream definitely requires courage! In this episode, Melissa shares about a dream she pursued in the past and the process she used to get the courage to do it, and a BIG DREAM she is in the midst of making happen RIGHT NOW!

We get super practical with how to cultivate the courage to:

- even admit you have a dream in the first place

- assess whether you should go for it

- push through the hard moments and the setbacks

- doing everything you can to make it happen

If you've ever had a dream you wanted to go after, this is a don't miss episode!

Resources from this episode:

The John Maxwell book Melissa used when deciding whether a dream was worth pursuing: Put Your Dream to the Test


Be sure to join our Courage Squad if you haven't already!

Follow us on IG: @costiscouragepodcast

Sep 10, 202030:07
EPISODE 19 : Courage to Love
Sep 03, 202020:22
EPISODE 18 : Courage to Hope
Aug 27, 202021:12
EPISODE 17 : Courage to Feel
Aug 20, 202023:59
EPISODE 16 : Courage to Love Your Body
Aug 13, 202021:40
EPISODE 15 : Courage in Procrastination
Aug 06, 202020:07
EPISODE 14 : Courage in Friendships

EPISODE 14 : Courage in Friendships

Making friends can call for a lot of courage! 

In putting yourself out there, connecting with others, you're saying, "I like you like me? This is me, do you accept or reject me?" It's so much vulnerability!

In friendship, you're investing in another person. Will it be worth it? The closer you get to someone, the bigger the risk of pain if something goes wrong in the relationship. It takes courage to keep growing closer.

In friendship, we let others know us, and that can feel exposing. Am I giving another person power to hurt me by revealing myself?

Some strategies for making friends: 

Be available, create opportunities

Be intentional

Start conversations, be curious, use FORD (family, occupation, recreation, dreams)

Be a good listener, be interested

Seek commonalities (interests, values, etc)

Be reliable, trustworthy,

Be a safe place

Be vulnerable

Ultimately be the kind of friend you want - check in with yourself

We make it so personal when others don’t immediately see the amazing friendship potential, but a lot of times it’s not about us (we're sure it sometimes is, but it’s often not) - life is busy, people aren’t in the same place of prioritizing a new friendship, they might have the same comfort level.

Takeaway: Making, having, and being a friend requires courage! But it’s worth it to get that deep connection and support.

Action step: Are you in need of a friend? Take steps to make yourself available and identify who you might take the next step with. Need more depth in your existing friendships? What is one step you can do to move the needle?

Need even more encouragement? Get 14 Days of Courage at

Follow us on IG @costiscouragepodcast

Jul 30, 202022:09
EPISODE 13 : Courage to Apologize

EPISODE 13 : Courage to Apologize

We don't think it's too big a mystery why apologizing requires courage. We're admitting we were wrong, that we hurt someone. We're taking ownership and responsibility. We're opening ourselves up to the possibility that our apology won't be accepted, that the relationship won't be fixed, that there could be an AWKWARD CONVERSATION. 

You may have heard "Love means never having to say you're sorry," but that is DEAD WRONG. In a healthy relationship, saying you're sorry when you've hurt someone is vital. Not apologizing is not an option if you want deep, authentic, healthy meaningful relationships where both parties feel safe.

By apologizing, you are able to:

  • Acknowledge that you were wrong.
  • Discuss what is allowed and not allowed in your relationship.
  • Express your regret and remorse.
  • Learn from your mistakes and find new ways of dealing with difficult situations.
  • Open up a line of communication with the other person.

How to move toward a tough apology:

  • Is there someone you can talk to about it? Get support and accountability
  • Write out what you want to say, role play (though stay open to it not going that way) - helps to have a plan
  • Pep talk yourself - acknowledge how hard it is to yourself, what results you’re hoping for, and how you can prepare yourself if expectations aren’t met
  • Have an aftercare plan for yourself...steps of courage can be really draining!
  • Remember: who do YOU want to be? Focus on WHY this is important to do

Take away: Being a good human means we take the courageous step and apologize when we have hurt others.

Action step: Take stock: how are you at apologizing? Is there an apology you’ve been avoiding or now realize you need to make? What’s one thing you can do to move toward that?

Need even more encouragement? Get 14 Days of Courage at

Follow us on IG @costiscouragepodcast

Jul 23, 202032:07
EPISODE 12 : Courage to Be Yourself
Jul 16, 202023:08
EPISODE 11 : Courage of NO

EPISODE 11 : Courage of NO

FIRST: It's Pina Colada Day! Here's a recipe we love, rum optional. And the summer heat is in FULL EFFECT here in Florida, so thank God for a refreshing beverage!

Now, on to the often tough business of saying NO.

Our YES can often be fear-based. Maybe we're afraid of disappointing others. Maybe we worry about what others will think of us if we don't do what they're asking. Maybe our self-esteem will take a hit if we veer off from our usual mode of people-pleasing. 

If you say yes when you mean no, you are opening the door for resentment.

If you say yes when you mean no, you lose the ability to say yes to things you might have prioritized more.

“No” feeds into good boundaries, makes for healthier relationships, makes it so that your word is more authentic, more honest, you are more trustworthy. It means you know yourself and your priorities. Being able to say no when you mean it and need to shows that you also value yourself. You matter too!

Some steps to get into the habit of saying NO when that's what you really want to say:

1. Start by saying NO in your daily life in the smaller less significant situations to gain the muscle of saying no.

2. Observe how people you respect say no. Model what you say using their style.

3. Practice saying no to people you feel comfortable with.

4. Every time you say ‘no’ successfully, celebrate the win.

Action step: Take some time to think about what might make NO hard for you to say. Start practicing.

Need even more encouragement to move toward a NO? Get 14 Days of Courage at

Follow us on IG @costiscouragepodcast

Jul 09, 202020:56
Episode 10 : Courage of YES
Jul 02, 202021:13
Episode 09 : Courage to Try Again
Jun 25, 202020:48
Episode 08 : Courage in Imperfect Action

Episode 08 : Courage in Imperfect Action

Where are all our perfectionists at?? We want to hear from you! Go to to drop us a message. You can also sign up for 14 Days of Courage to get a boost of encouragement.

Perfectionism kills growth, steals joy and fulfillment. We can find ourselves trapped in analysis paralysis. Our perceived flaws and weaknesses loom, and we chalk them up as reasons not to begin. What if we make a mistake? What if we look foolish? What will others think if it’s not just exactly right?

In this episode we talk about the obstacles that stop us from taking action, and how to overcome them. How to shift our mindset to move forward.

Takeaway: Don’t wait to feel ready, to feel completely secure and sure. Just start. Give yourself permission to do things imperfectly.

Action step: What’s one thing you’ve been putting off? And what’s one next imperfect step you can take?

Jun 18, 202021:36
Episode 07 : Courage in Waiting
Jun 11, 202022:32
BONUS : Courage to Examine Biases

BONUS : Courage to Examine Biases

We felt it appropriate to have the courage to offer some thoughts around the current division resulting from George Floyd's tragic death. 

Jun 05, 202015:29
Episode 06 : Courage in Uncertainty
Jun 04, 202030:47
Episode 05 : Courage in Relationships

Episode 05 : Courage in Relationships

This is a huge topic we will return to over and over, but in this episode we start the conversation on the courage required in relationships.

We discuss the courage required and the steps to increasing depth in your relationships. Who deserves your trust? What are signs it’s safe to move forward? When should you take a step back?

To have increased intimacy, closeness, connection, vulnerability, you have to take risks. How do you tolerate that risk?

Here is the super scientific chart Lisa describes about the relationship between intimacy and risk.

Take away: Relationships require vulnerability and intention.

Action step: Look at your people, and think of one thing you can do this week to step out in courage to strengthen a relationship.

We’d love to be on your Courage Squad! Go to to get 14 Days of Courage as a jumpstart.

Follow us on IG @costiscouragepodcast

May 28, 202022:33
Episode 04 : Champion vs. Coach

Episode 04 : Champion vs. Coach

Being a human is hard, and it’s even harder if you’re doing it alone.
In this episode, we talk about how to build your Courage Squad. Do you need a champion? A coach? Both? Which do you need and when, and how do you find them? How do you cultivate this in your existing relationships?
Action step: Start identifying who is or could be on your own Courage Squad.
We'd love to be on your Courage Squad! Here's 14 Days of Courage to get you started.
Follow us on IG @costiscouragepodcast
Need to see that awesome t-shirt Lisa wore while recording this episode? Here you go. Are you cracking in quarantine too??

May 21, 202024:51
Episode 03 : Melissa's Story of Courage

Episode 03 : Melissa's Story of Courage

The PBS Series that Melissa’s been binge watching while staying-at-home. POLDARK

In this episode we hear a bit more about what makes Melissa tick. In an event that seems like a lifetime ago, Melissa experienced a major setback. While none of us enjoys making a mistake, Melissa shares how making a “BIG MISTAKE” early in life crushed her confidence. Having the courage to ever step out again, working through the mess of the aftermath of her setback, and quieting the voice that wants to remind her of the failure have all been a part of the journey.

Part of being human is making mistakes - it takes courage to accept this truth.

Connect with Melissa :

IG @melissacdyer_

May 14, 202028:38
Episode 02 :  Lisa's Tale of Courage

Episode 02 : Lisa's Tale of Courage

In this episode, we get to know Lisa a bit more, and hear a slice of her story.

Ten Things Other People Like but Lisa Doesn’t

  1. Wearing sneakers
  2. Jogging (and not because of sneakers)
  3. Saying “It is what it is”
  4. Mustard
  5. Pedicures
  6. Wedding receptions
  7. Fruit pies
  8. Being licked by a dog
  9. Caffeine
  10. Getting/having a tan (tough as a Floridian!)
  11. BONUS: cold weather (defined as anything below 70F!)

Click here to see the picture from the one time Melissa has seen Lisa wear sneakers.

Lisa shares from the time she had to muster up the most courage: allowing herself to be fully seen by others as her first marriage was falling apart. Unfortunately many of us have been through the pain of a broken relationship, and our hope is by hearing someone else’s story, how courage was cultivated even in excruciating circumstances, that you will be encouraged as you face hard things, and can learn how to go gently with yourself as you reflect back on these kinds of painful situations.

Being a human is hard...the cost is so much courage!

Connect with Lisa:

IG: @drlisakbaker

May 14, 202026:44
Episode 01 : What is Courage?
May 14, 202026:18
Episode 00 : Show Trailer
Apr 13, 202009:05