Never Mind The Bar Charts
By Mark Pack
Mark Pack and guests talk about the Liberal Democrats, British politics and a few stray digressions. Only a few.
Never Mind The Bar ChartsJun 26, 2020
The virtues of Marmite: Tim Farron's advice on being a Liberal Democrat leader
Welcome to a special re-run of a previous but once again very relevant edition of Never Mind The Bar Charts. It’s from June 2019, which feels a long time ago now but the calendar says that was only 12 months ago. It was the time of the party’s last leadership election, and I did an interview with Tim Farron about his experience as party leader. We focused on his advice for the next party leader as well as tips on what members should ask in hustings meetings.
Both Tim’s advice and tips are still very relevant, so here is that episode again. And do also take a listen to the episode I did recently with Tim Bale, where we also cooked up great hustings questions.
Hope you enjoy the repeat.
Show notes Jonathan Calder's David Steel versus John Pardoe categorisation for Liberal Democrat leadership contests. Paperclip design. Vince Cable's Stalin to Mr Bean moment at Prime Minister's Questions. The Lib Dems did indeed, as Tim Farron mentioned, once hit 4% in the polls after the 2015 election. Tim Farron's response to the European referendum result. You can watch the first Davey-Swinson hustings from the 2019 contest here. Here is Stephen Bush in the New Statesman on those hustings. Information about the 2020 leadership contest, including hustings where you can ask the questions mentioned in the show, is on the party website. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
(Full length version) Making the Liberal Democrats win more elections
Apologies if you got a truncated version of this episode first time around. The podcast host has been playing up a bit but you should now be able to hear the interview all the way through to the end.
How must the Liberal Democrats change in order to win more often? Listen to me discuss this with Lisa Smart, chair of the party's Federal Communications and Elections Committee (FCEC).
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Show notesLisa Smart's election to chair the party's main elections committee. The show with Tim Bale talking about what opposition parties must do. The independent review into the 2019 general election. Support electoral reform? Join the Electoral Reform Society. The Star Trek reference. The pros and cons of Steve Webb's approach to being a minister. How to make targeting work. Lisa Smart on Twitter.
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Good News, Bad News
Welcome to another special edition of Never Mind The Bar Charts, this time my appearance on Democratically: 2020 with Karin Robinson. We talk about my book, Bad News, the US Presidential race and how election coverage is so often wrong.
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Show notes Democratically: 2020 on Apple Podcasts. (It's also on all the other standard podcast platforms. Karin Robinson on Twitter. Sign up for a free chapter from Bad News.
The five things an opposition party must do: interview with Tim Bale
What makes for a successful opposition party? How much of that success is down to the leader? How much does policymaking matter in opposition? Wnat question should be asked the Lib Dem leadership election hustings? These are just some of the topics I chewed over with opposition expert Professor Tim Bale in this episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts.
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Show notes Tim Bale's previous appearance, talking about how you can persuade someone to join a political party. Tim Bale's excellent, re-arrangeable book on Ed Miliband. Recovering Power: The Conservatives in Opposition Since 1867: the book from which the list five things opposition parties must do came: Amazon / Waterstones. The Liberal Democrat election review. Tim Harford on how to avoid making mistakes. Turning Japanese: the excellent book that didn't foretell the future. That Norman Lamont photo (with a young David Cameron in the background). The Politics of Competence by Will Jennings and Jane Green: Amazon / Waterstones. Will Jennings on Twitter. Jane Green on Twitter. Tim Bale on Twitter. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
Party leadership, online conferences and the election review
I teamed up with the Lib Dem Pod crew for another special joint episode, with John and Richard grilling me about what's going on in the party.
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Show notes The Liberal Democrat election review. Follow Lib Dem Pod on Twitter. Get Lib Dem Pod on YouTube. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
Why good pollsters are filled with doubt: interview with YouGov's Chris Curtis
I often talk about opinion poll data with guests on Never Mind The Bar Charts, so this time to talk about what we can read into the polls – and what we shouldn’t – I was joined by a pollster, YouGov’s Chris Curtis. We started off with discussing what a pollster actually does all day...
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Show notes One of those quirky YouGov polling questions. British Polling Council. The great Yes, Prime Minister sketch on leading poll questions. Research that shows the accuracy of political opinion polls. New UK pollster Redfield & Wilton Strategies. YouGov's issues tracker showing the sustained interest in the environment. Chris Curtis on Twitter. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
What must the Liberal Democrats learn from Donald Trump?
Donald Trump may not be the most obvious of role models for the Liberal Democrats. But there's a lot about effective communication the party can learn from him. After all, he won a national election, defying political establishments and seeing off unfriendly media along the way.
So in this episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talk about him with Rob Blackie. I used to work with Rob at Lib Dem HQ many years ago when he was the maestro of costing manifesto policies. He has since carved out a very successful career in marketing and communications.
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Show notes The wonder of brevity. The Hemingway App. Yoast Search Engine Optimisation tools and advice. The Lincoln Project's targeted advert which trolled Donald Trump. Ducks and potholes. Rob Blackie as a womble. Donald Trump in Home Alone 2. Yes!: 60 secrets from the science of persuasion. Rob Blackie's Twitter thread on Donald Trump. Photo by History in HD on Unsplash. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
The one in which I get compared to Terry Pratchett
Rather than a normal episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, this time I’m running an episode of the excellent Not Enough Champagne podcast, including an improbable comparison between me and Terry Pratchett.
You might recall me mentioning Not Enough Champagne as one of my favourite podcasts. I like it so much despite – or rather because – it’s done by two Labour Party activists, Cory and Steve, and therefore gives a rather different take on the world from mine.
Different enough to be thought-provoking and a guard against insular thinking without being so different as to cause me to hit stop in disgust.
And the reason for picking this particular episode that they’ve kindly let me re-run here?
Well, in it they talk about my book, Bad News. See what some non-Lib Dems make of it and enjoy listening, including hearing – if you listen right to the end, their cracking theme tune by Dave Depper.
Hope you enjoy their show and do subscribe to their podcast too.
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Show notes Terry Pratchett's footnotes were glorious. The Not Enough Champagne podcast. The Not Enough Champagne team on Twitter: @paperbackrioter and @acousticradical. Bad News: what the headlines don't tell us. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
Protecting our privacy is key to fighting coronavirus
It's crucial that apps designed to help us battle coronavirus also protect our privacy as otherwise their take-up and so public health will suffer.
That's the key point made by the Open Rights Group's Jim Killock in the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts as we discussed the potential risks to our civil liberties from the different attempts to track who people have been in contact with. Such contact tracing is essential to tackling coronavirus, but how can it be done best? Listen to find out...
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Show notes How Australia is legislating for a contact tracing app in ways that protect people's rights. The German approach to protecting civil liberties while tracking people to tackle coronavirus. Problems with the British approach. Join the Open Rights Group. Jim Killock on Twitter. Photo credit: Rieo from Pixabay. Enjoy the show? Spread the word Follow the show on Twitter. Like the show on Facebook. Subscribe, rate or review via your favourite podcasting platform - links here.
Is over-centralisation hindering the struggle against coronavirus?
In this episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talk with the Liberal Democrat Health and Social Care spokesperson, Munira Wilson, about what it's like being an MP, how over-centralisation may be hindering the struggle against coronavirus and how best to communicate with the public.
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Show notes Interview with Dr Ben Johnson from Nature. How Germany is approaching protecting civil liberties while tackling coronavirus. Help for (would-be) Liberal Democrat Parliamentary candidates: the Campaign for Gender Balance, the Liberal Democrat Campaign for Race Equality and the Parliamentary Candidates Association. The Lib Dem campaign for frontline care works. Munira Wilson on Twitter. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
What do the experts say about coronavirus?
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talked with Ben Johnson, a former Liberal Democrat councillor in Southwark with a PhD on the influenza virus from Public Health England and the University of Reading, and now working for Nature, one of the world’s most famous and respected scientific journals.
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Show notes Sunder Katwala interview on coronavirus. Bicester Village train station signs. Phil Cowley on why Hong Kong reacted so quickly to coronavirus. IFS data on key worker salaries. My book Bad News, including a section on how different types of death get very different levels of media coverage. How cats took over the world. Find Ben on Twitter at @DrBenJohnson. Photo credit for episode image: Brian McGowan on Unsplash. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
The Project: how the Conservatives were beaten last time
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talk with Duncan Brack, the closest thing the party has to an official historian, about the lessons for the Liberal Democrats from the last time that a Conservative government was defeated.
A key part of that was cross-party cooperation so we dive into what then party leader Paddy Ashdown's plans were, what worked, what didn't work and what lessons apply to this Parliament.
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Show notes Lessons from the Ashdown-Blair ‘Project’ - Duncan Brack's book chapter on the topic. The Cook-Maclennan talks. Ways for parties to cooperate without making seat deals. Never Mind The Bar Charts on Paddy Ashdown's legacy. Never Mind The Bar Charts on what it's like working with Dominic Cummings. Coalition Diaries by David Laws - Amazon / Waterstones Who Killed Kitchener? The Life and Death of Britain's most famous War Minister by David Laws - Amazon / Waterstones Duncan Brack on Twitter. The Liberal Democrat History Group. Photo credits. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
Our bias toward pessimism - Sunder Katwala on reactions to coronavirus
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talk with Sunder Katwala from the British Future think tank. Along with discussing civil rights in the age of coronavirus and the impact on BAME communities, he raised the important issue of the human bias towards pessimism and its impact on our reactions to the coronavirus crisis.
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Show notes Sunder on how the Liberal Democrats can improve their diversity. The University of Leicester study into who has caught Covid-19. Research into our pessimism bias. Sunder on Twitter. British Future. Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow: Amazon / Waterstones. John Maynard Keynes by Robert Skidelsky: Amazon / Waterstones. Image by Jasmin Sessler from Pixabay. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
What does coronavirus mean for public policy? Interview with Polly Mackenzie
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talked with the chief executive of Demos, Polly Mackenzie, about the impact of coronavirus on public policy. We got a bonus bit of background music courtesy of one of her children and a piano.
As with the other shows since coronavirus, this one was recorded over video call so apologies for the occasional blip in sound quality.
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Show notes The Demos website, including the old content being re-released as discussed in the show. The previous show with Phil Cowley and that Martin Kettle piece. Nervous States: how feeling took over the world by William Davies - Amazon / Waterstones. Georgette Heyer's books - Amazon / Waterstones. Polly's previous appearance on Never Mind The Bar Charts. Follow Polly on Twitter. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
Special joint episode with Lib Dem Podcast: Leadership election postponed / should we cancel Brighton conference?
In a special tie-up with the Lib Dem Podcast, I'm interviewed by Cllr John Potter about the decision to postpone the Liberal Democrat leadership election and whether or not the party's autumn federal conference should be cancelled.
Show notes
Leadership election postponed The Lib Dem Podcast: Twitter / Instagram / iTunes
Coronavirus: the Hong Kong experience and what next for British politics? S2/E7
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I speak with Professor Phil Cowley, one of Britain’s leading political scientists, co-author for several general elections of authoritative Nuffield study and someone who casts the net so widely in his research that I occasionally appear in his footnotes.
Phil’s been on my list of possible guests for a while, but I particularly wanted to talk to him now as he’s currently living in Hong Kong, somewhere that’s been much in the news here in the UK for comparisons over how coronavirus is being tackled in each place.
We also talk about what this all means for British politics, and Phil's picks for books to read at the moment.
Show notes Martin Kettle's piece on the possible (non-)impact of coronavirus on politics. Pale Rider: The Spanish Flu of 1918 and How it Changed the World by Laura Spinney - Amazon / Waterstones. Agent Jack by Rob Hutton - Amazon / Waterstones. Electoral Shocks: The Volatile Voter in a Turbulent World - Amazon / Waterstones. Phil Cowley's excellent books - Amazon / Waterstones. Phil Cowley on Twitter.How you can figure out which news stories to trust: the story behind Bad News S2/E6
Before the coronavirus crisis hit, I recorded a podcast with my published, Biteback Books, about my new book, Bad News.
Listen to find out how you can make sense of the news all around us, the problem with news coverage on gun control, the (lack of a problem) with news echo chambers and filter bubbles, why I look back on my daily commute in years past with amazement and how I came to write Bad News.
Show notes Biteback Chats Books podcast. Buy Bad News from Waterstones, Amazon, Biteback or Hive. Music: Funkorama by Kevin MacLeod / Link / License.What does the polling data say about the future for the Lib Dems? Interview with Paula Surridge S2/E5
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I welcomed back to the show academic Paula Surridge. We talked about what the British Election Study is and what it's polling data from the 2019 general election shows, including its implications for the future for the Liberal Democrats.
Show notes Paula Surridge on Twitter. Is politics still about left versus right? - the previous show with Paula Surridge. The British Election Study (BES). Sign up for more polling news with Polling UnPacked. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
What's it like being a councillor and how do you get to be one? With Anton Georgiou S2/E4
In the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, I talk with Councillor Anton Georgiou from Brent, who won a spectacular by-election victory in January and is now getting to enjoy being a councillor.
What's it like? How did he win? And how can others emulate him?
Listen to find out...
Show notes Anton Georgiou's by-election victory. His tweets about being a councillor. The importance of pointing at potholes. Daniel Brown, former Lib Dem councillor for Alperton and his autocorrection tip. Siobhan Benita's campaign to be Mayor of London. Stephen Robinson on what it's like to be a council leader. ALDC.What does a Liberal Democrat council leader do? With Cllr Stephen Robinson S2/E3
In this episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, the Liberal Democrat leader of Chelmsford Council, Stephen Robinson is interviewed about what Lib Dem council leader does, and how he got to be one in the first place.
Show notes: The Chelmsford team were great at welcoming and making good use of volunteers who came to help. Read the then Conservative leader of Chelmsford Council explaining before polling day that, "we have mostly avoided canvassing up to now". A big vote increase but a long way off winning: the Chelmsford result at the 2019 general election. Black Box Thinking: the lessons of marginal gains.
How do you make someone join a political party? Tim Bale has the evidence S2/E2
Professor Tim Bale, one of the leading experts in political party membership, talks about who joins parties, why they join and how those who join the Liberal Democrats differ from those who join other parties. Plus he gives his top tips on how to persuade people to join a party.
Show notes:
Footsoldiers: political party membership in the 21st century. Why supporters don't always join parties. The research on how to get members involved. Five Year Mission: Tim Bale's study of Ed Miliband. Tim Bale used the phrase, "That's a great question". Here's a whole other podcast episode just about that phase, from Freakonomics. The previous Never Mind The Bar Charts show with Paula Surridge. The preamble to the Liberal Democrat constitution.What does the future hold for British politics? With Lynne Featherstone S2/E1
Welcome to the first episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts's second season, featuring for the first special guest former Liberal Democrat MP Lynne Featherstone.
Show notes:
Lynne Featherstone's book on legalising same-sex marriage. The Guardian story which chose to highlight a coffee shop in the headline rather than a library. Lynne Featherstone and a pothole. An example of the sort of local campaigning that was so central to Lynne Featherstone's electoral successes.Season 1 Finale: an interim elections post-mortem #26
In the final episode of season one, Mark and Stephen pick over the general election result, another less important election result and the plans for Season 2 of Never Mind The Bar Charts.
How to change the result of the election with the help of targeting #25
Welcome to the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, taking a look at the key role for targeting in general elections, how the Lib Dem Brexit policy is going down with voters, some seats to watch out for on election night and a very large number of digressions.
Show notes Reactions to Jo Swinson's interview with Andrew Neil. The BBC's fact check of that interview. Fiona Bruce's Question Time mistake. The Boris Johnson interview question about him lying, missing any of the obvious follow-ups. The latest YouGov polling on revoking Article 50, along with evidence from earlier in the year: #1, #2 and #3. How to make a difference in the last week of the election. How Lib Dem members can find a target seat to help in. Fact check: thanks to @SoupDragon0 for pointing out a mistake in the episode about the letters than British Prime Ministers write setting out what to do with the country's nuclear weapons.How is the Liberal Democrat general election campaign going? #24
In Episode #24, Stephen and Mark take a look at how the Liberal Democrat general election campaign is going so far.
They used a blog post from Mark about the YouGov MRP results to structure their discussion, so here as the show notes is an updated version of that post: https://www.markpack.org.uk/160501/yougov-mrp-polling/.
Prince Andrew, I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here, and the Liberal Democrats #23
Welcome to the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, which takes a look at the general election and in particular the policy-heavy message the Liberal Democrats are pushing.
Show notes The David Davis 'look, no notes' photo. One, two, three, four Lib Dem candidate problems. Not Enough Campagne podcast on the impact of candidate deals. A summary of the Liberal Democrat policies. The problem with the Liberal Democrat message in 2005. Liberal Democrat party committee election results. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
Battlegrounds, bar charts but not Brexit
With the general election underway, Stephen Tall and Mark Pack discuss how things are going so far for the Liberal Democrats, what the constituency polls are saying, the role of bar charts and the latest on the party's internal elections.
Show notes What the national opinion polls are saying. All the constituency polls made public so far. The full list of Unite to Remain seat arrangements. What went wrong with the Liberal Democrat constituency polling in 2015? Responsible bar charting. More information on voting in the Liberal Democrat internal elections. Find Never Mind The Bar Charts on social mediaLike the show? Do follow on Twitter or Facebook. It's a great way to hear more about the podcast - and to let your friends and colleagues know about it too.
How are the Liberal Democrats going to do in the general election?
Once again, an MP has kindly timed their decision to join the Liberal Democrats for just before the recording of an episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts. Stephen and Mark discuss the party's latest Parliamentary recruit along with the outlook for the general election.
Antoinette Sandbach joins the Liberal Democrats. How many Liberal Democrat MPs are there now? The new Liberal Democrat election slogan. Got problems voting in the Liberal Democrat internal elections? Email elections@libdems.org.uk.LIVE SHOW: Is Dominic Cummings a genius?
In the first live audience recording of Never Mind The Bar Charts, host Stephen Tall talks to two people who have worked with Dominic Cumnings: Polly Mackenzie and Sean Kemp.
Rebels with a cause
In this episode Stephen Tall and Mark Pack discussing the growing number of recruits to the Liberal Democrat Parliamentary Party, the unusual set of seats the party is targeting for the general election, why Will Hutton is wrong about Jeremy Corbyn and why everyone should go read Gaby Hinsliff.
Mark is running to be Liberal Democrat Party President. The must-listen interview with Paula Surridge about British politics and the place for the Liberal Democrats. Local Lib Dem PPC Ian Sollom graciously welcomes Heidi Allen to the Lib Dems. Rob Castell, formerly Lib Dem PPC for Beaconsfield, previously did a brilliant campaign video. Cake, having and eating thereof. Grandmothers and machine guns. Gaby Hinsliff's excellent piece on the end of the liberal Tory.Is politics still about left versus right?
Welcome to the latest episode of Never Mind The Bar Charts, a variation of the usual format in which I interview Paula Surridge about her research into the British electorate. She's been one of the pioneers in understanding how there is more than left versus right to modern British politics. Listen to hear what she has to say about what this means for the Liberal Democrats...
A good introduction to some of Paula Surridge's work. Paula Surridge on Twitter. Paula Surridge on Medium.Lib Dems do the Revokey-Cokey
Stephen Tall attempts to fisk Mark Pack's Remainer optimism. He possibly fails. Or does he?
Show notes Keep count of how many Liberal Democrat MPs there are. Monica Harding is the Lib Dem PPC for Dominic Raab's constituency. Demand Better sets out the wider Lib Dem policy plans beyond Brexit. Boris Johnson on Damian McBride.The Brexit Episode: Remain is winning! (Or is it?)
Mark Pack goes full on cheerleading for Remain. Stephen Tall responds with half a bucket of cold water.
Show notes:
Beatrice Wishart wins in Shetland. Reasons to doubt the Boris Johnson / Dominic Cummings strategy. The public doesn't like prorogation. Tom Chivers on Dominic Cummings and a game of chicken. Charles Moore's biography of Margaret Thatcher. The Led By Donkeys anti-Breixt campaigners. Come and watch us record a special episode: "Is Dominic Cummings a genius?".And then there were two... (more MPs on the Lib Dem Parliamentary benches)
Why did Jo Swinson win and what happens now?
What have we learnt so far about Jo Swinson and Ed Davey?
Exclusive: Edward Davey interview
Exclusive: Jo Swinson interview
Announcement: three special episodes coming up
Will the Liberal Democrat boom go bust?
Just how happy should the Lib Dems be?
Friend or foe? Change UK and the Lib Dems
Stephen Tall and Mark Pack discuss the leaked Change UK memo about the Lib Dems, where Change UK is headed, a bold claim about Tony Blair from Stephen and how the local elections may change the political trajectory of the Remain parties.
Are the Lib Dems about to lose an MP?
Vince Cable: how did he do and who will succeed him?
The Independent Group: earthshattering or earthbound?
Mark Pack and Stephen Tall discuss The Independent Group, the future of the Lib Dems and Brexit. With shout outs for The Times Red Box podcast and the Polling Matters podcast.
Pilot episode #3: universal basic income, radicalism and new parties
Pilot episode #2: Paddy, coalition and little Englanders
Pilot episode #1: the best political commentators, the Lib Dems and what if Brexit wasn't happening?
Stephen Tall and Mark Pack talk about their favourite political podcasts and commentators, what the government should be doing if it wasn't consumed by Brexit and the Liberal Democrats.