
Women In Product
By Women In Product Podcast

Women In ProductApr 05, 2023

Episode 43: What We've Learned from CPOs so Far
Before we hear more from our guests and their #PathtoCPO, reflect on the past episodes of this podcast series with Rashmi Ramesh, Director of Product. We wanted this series to inspire our community members to pursue executive roles, and we hope you are encouraged by the stories our guests have shared. Listen to the top takeaways from the different speakers and consider how you can apply them to your career.

Episode 42: The Best of 23WIP
Looking for more #23WIP Conference content? Hear clips from our keynote speakers and be inspired about your next steps in product. Listen to the stories of how our speakers grew their careers in the face of external and internal challenges. Learn tips about how you can #BuildWhatsNextPM.

Episode 41: Networking Your Way
Jori Bell, Director of Product Management at Audible, shares her tips and tricks to developing your network and utilizing your connections to grow your career. Listen as she shares with Senior Event Manager, Arianna Black her experience with the Women In Product Peer Coaching Circle and how mentorship has been a significant part of her success.

Episode 40: Nupur Srivastava, Chief Product Officer, Included Health
Get an insider, honest perspective from Nupur Srivastava as she shares how she went from being a Senior Product Manager to Chief Product Officer all in one organization. Learn how you can use confidence, empathy, and flexibility to be successful in your career and to have an impact wherever you work.

Episode 39: Jennifer Taylor, Chief Product Officer, Cloudflare
Tune in as Chief Product Officer, Jen Taylor shares the importance of getting comfortable making decisions with imperfect information, how she prepared for her board interviews, and how she makes choices that fit with the portfolio of the life that she’s trying to lead!

Episode 38: Anneka Gupta, Chief Product Officer, Rubrik
Director of Product, Rashmi Ramesh, talks with Chief Product Officer, Anneka Gupta, about her #PathtoCPO, the importance of building connections, the art of asking for help and the most important lessons she’s learned as a people leader.

Episode 37: Alex Hardiman, Chief Product Officer, The New York Times
Rashmi Ramesh talks to Alex Hardiman about her path to CPO. The two discuss how Alex found her role as a product leader, how to balance the responsibility, and more. #ThePathtoCPO

Episode 36: The Path to CPO
Elizabeth Ames, CEO of Women In Product, talks with podcast series co-collaborator and Director of Product, Rashmi Ramesh, about what inspired the creation behind #ThePathtoCPO series, the value and power of persistence, and some of the key learnings that came out of the interviews she hosted.

Episode 35: Empowered Product Teams
Shruti Sheorey interviews Marty Cagan, author of “Empowered.” Marty shares more about why coaching and hiring are such key parts of what product leaders should be doing, how product leaders can give more strategic context to their teams, and why OKRs are often failures at companies.

Episode 34: Inspired Products
As we reach the tail end of our Great PM Book Series, we are excited to share our newest episode with Marty Cagan. He and Dipti Patel discuss the book, INSPIRED: How To Create Tech Products Customers Love. They cover everything from discovery principles to OKRs to breaking down what makes a good PM.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 33: Replaying our Episode with Sally Thornton
Data shows that the demands of professional work put an unrealistic burden on women. We spend this episode with Sally Thornton, digging into common causes of burnout for women in the workforce and the burdens they carry. Sally urges us to be our own Behavioral Scientists and to track what sparks joy in our lives, then prioritizing this work.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 32: Replaying our Episode with Julia Nechaieva
This episode’s guest, Julia Nechaieva, joins host Elizabeth Ames to uncover tips to create a career in product that helps women thrive even in uncertain times. Knowing things like company size, preferred work, and manager expectations can help employees evaluate roles and guide job seekers to the best fit. Julia’s tool, PM Daisy, is a helpful resource.
Check out PM Daisy: https://bit.ly/3GDl0F8
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 31: Women In Product Past and Future
In this multi-guest episode, Elizabeth Ames, CEO of Women In Product, kicks off with Deb Liu, Co-Founder and Board President of Women In Product, as she shares how Women In Product started. Elizabeth then pivots the discussion to connect with community members to learn more about their member experience and their hopes for the future of the organization.

Episode 30: Escaping the Build Trap
Today we have two Women In Product community members ready to discuss Melissa Perri's book, Escaping the Build Trap: How Effective Product Management Creates Real Value. Sparkle Joy Meadows and Marie Chaisson join and share how this book resonates in the Product work they do daily.
Share your favorite PM book with us: https://productblenders.typeform.com/bookideas

Episode 29: Continuous Discovery with Teresa Torres
Bosky Mukherjee interviews Teresa Torres, author of “Continuous Discovery Habits.” They dive into the benefits of growing outside of a leadership role, why collaboration is queen and the benefits of building faster feedback loops.

Episode 28: Making Sure Your Product Is Loved with Martina Lauchengco
Martina Lauchengco joins to discuss her new book, Loved: How to Rethink Marketing for Tech Products. Listen as she outlines the stages of a product marketing career and the differences between traditional marketing, product marketing, and product management.
Share your favorite PM book with us: https://productblenders.typeform.com/bookideas

Episode 27: Thinking In Bets
As part of our Great PM Books Series, we’ve gather a panel of PMs from our community to have a discussion around Annie Duke’s book, Thinking In Bets. Hear from JJ Rorie, Julia Lin, and Susan Liao.
Share your favorite PM book with us: https://productblenders.typeform.com/bookideas

Episode 26: How to Handle Jerks at Work
Bosky Mukherjee interviews Tessa West, author of “Jerks at Work.” The two explore what goes into the making of jerk-like behavior at work and consider common reactions of those who are targeted.
Grab a copy of "Jerks at Work": https://amzn.to/3Bg3DJI

Episode 25: Radical Product Thinking
JJ Rorie interviews Radhika Dutt, author of Radical Product Thinking. Listen as the two discuss what it takes to build products.
Order a copy of Radical Product Thinking: https://amzn.to/3PGmOSd
Do you have a PM book recommendation? Submit it here: https://www.womenpm.org/resource-hub-library

Episode 24: Take Back Your Power with Deb Liu
Deb Liu just released her new book! She and our host discuss a central theme of the book: power. Listen in to learn how Deb was able to build and leverage power throughout her career — and how you can do the same.
Order a copy of Deb’s book: https://amzn.to/3JnvECY

Episode 23: Replaying One of Our Favorites with Stacey Feero
We're highlighting a past podcast episode this week! Listen or re-listen to this insightful conversation with guest Stacey Feero. Stacey shares the story of how she found her way into tech and later joined the world of Product. Spoiler alert: she created a community of people and sponsors to support her journey.

Episode 22: Mentorship
Women In Product piloted our first-ever mentorship program last fall. Today, we hear from those involved with the program. Our takeaways? Mentoring is a safe space, judgment free zone. It requires commitment. It's a delicate balance.

Episode 21: Tackling Racism at Work
This episode, we’re joined by Y-Vonne Hutchinson, CEO and founder of ReadySet. She shares helpful knowledge for marginalized individuals and allies to understand power dynamics and be successful in the workplace.
Learn more about Y-Vonne’s recently published book, How To Talk To Your Boss About Race, Speaking Up Without Getting Shut Down: amzn.to/3N8cMrF

Episode 20: Allyship
Being an ally is a journey. It takes practice to unlearn biases and to be intentional about advocating for marginalized individuals. Lucky for us, Karen Catlin is here to discuss steps we can take in our own lives to be better allies. Her best advice? Seek common ground and educate.
Learn more about Better Allies here: twitter.com/betterallies
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 19: Executive Edition: Managing a demanding career and having a fulfilling personal life
Data shows that the demands of professional work put an unrealistic burden on women. We spend this episode with Sally Thornton, digging into common causes of burnout for women in the workforce and the burdens they carry. Sally urges us to be our own Behavioral Scientists and to track what sparks joy in our lives, then prioritizing this work.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 18: 2022 Women In Product Conference
Another Women In Product Conference in the books! We were joined by over 3,000 women in product, all connecting for two days. Want to get a glimpse of some of the highlights? Listen for words from this year's keynotes: Tulsee Doshi, Deboshree Dutta, Jennifer Lopez, Deb Liu, Mamuna Oladipo, and Sally Thornton.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 17: Conference Preview Edition
Curious about what's in store for the Women In Product Conference 2022? Learn from seven influential product leaders who hold key leadership positions in product management. Tulsee Doshi, Deboshree Dutta, Deb Liu, Jennifer Lopez, Mamuna Oladipo, and Sally Thornton will be taking the stage to share their knowledge in the field and share their advice on May 10-11.
Register for 22WIP here: bit.ly/22wiptickets
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 16: Executive Edition: Sponsoring an APM Program
Heather Conklin and Aubrey Gavin join host Elizabeth Ames as guests on this episode. The tree discuss what it was like founding and taking part in Salesforce’s APM program from the perspectives of both executive and PM newbie. Hear how establishing the program proved beneficial for various teams across the company and the human-side by embracing authenticity.
Learn more about the WIP Conference: www.womenpm.org/conference
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 15: Conference Edition
This episode is a special one! Tickets are officially available for this year’s Women In Product Conference. We're celebrating with a handful of speakers who will be on stage at the conference in May. Guests today are six exceptional women: Melika Hope, Srujani Kamineni, Susan Liao, Mallika Gargeya, Grace Young, and Christina Puder.
Learn more about the WIP Conference: www.womenpm.org/conference
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 14: Know What You Are Worth with Jordan Sale
If you’re like most people negotiating your pay can be an intimidating experience. Guest Jordan Sale joins this episode and pulls the curtains back from this process. Jordan is the Founder & CEO of 81cents, an organization that works to help job seekers feel confident and prepared for negotiations with data and a group of advisors to guide them through.
She and host, Elizabeth Ames, discuss alternative forms of compensation that job seekers should consider and offer a glance into what a negotiation might look like and how to best prepare.
Learn more about 81cents: www.81cents.com
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 13: Recruiting Great PM Talent, Part 2 with Michele Turner and Diana Coardos
Ever wanted to know what recruiters at Google look for in candidates? Well, here’s your chance. This episode features Michele Turner — Sr. Director, Google Smart Home Ecosystem — and Diana Coardos — Product Manager Recruiter. Tune in if you’d like to know what they look for in product management talent, resumes, and in interviews.
The two give guidance on how to master the first sets of interviews through storytelling, practice, and a genuine desire to understand company culture.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 12: Recruiting Great PM Talent, Part 1 with Andrew Shearer and Jenny Cu
WIP Podcast host, Elizabeth Ames, chats with Andrew Shearer and Jenny Cu from BravePath, a coaching and recruiting partner firm that focuses on product management, user experience design, and software engineering for product companies.
This episode is loaded with tips you can use to improve your resume today, so you can stand out as a candidate. The group spends time walking through the process companies use when reviewing resumes, where automation comes into play, and how resumes compare to LinkedIn profiles.
For those seeking higher level positions, listen in for guidance on expressing thought leadership and strategy in resumes.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 11: Finding Your Fit with Julia Nechaieva
This episode’s guest, Julia Nechaieva, joins host Elizabeth Ames to uncover tips to create a career in product that helps women thrive. Knowing things like company size, preferred work, and manager expectations can help employees evaluate roles and guide them to the best fit. Julia’s tool, PM Daisy, is a helpful resource.
The pair calls listeners to make the distinction between feelings of fear and excitement when looking for new roles or changes. The difference in mindset can allow oneself that they are brave for even trying.
Check out PM Daisy: https://bit.ly/3GDl0F8
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 10: PM your Career with Tara King-Hughes
As we settle into this new year, thoughts around one’s career are likely to arise. Women In Product CEO and podcast host, Elizabeth Ames, and Senior Director of Product Management, Strava, Tara King-Hughes, define a framework to actively drive your career forward and dive into the work a product leader for a team entails.
Tara shares experiences and tips that are endlessly useful, but most importantly she reminds listeners to advocate for themselves and truly recognize their contributions at work. And, no, this doesn’t have to sound like bragging.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 9: Latinas in Product
On this episode, WIP Podcast host Elizabeth Ames speaks with two formidable Latina product managers — Pamela Roux Castillo and Paola Rios Schaaf. The guests reveal why they love the product space, what got them to keep working in the industry, and what makes them stay at particular companies.
The three discuss some challenges Latinas face as an underrepresented group in product management, including the hardship of enduring the interview process, investing in skill building, and navigating work relationships with a different background.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 8: The Spirit of Giving and Receiving
We’re spending some time reflecting on the power of the WIP community on this episode. WIP Podcast host, Elizabeth Ames, talks with board members and our HQ team. Join as we explore the most important things each of us have received by being a part of Women In Product and what we’re looking forward to giving the community in the next year.
Interested in sharing your love of the WIP community? Let us hear from you: https://bit.ly/3EgPATV

Episode 7: The Power of Sharing with Ronke Majekodunmi
The Women In Product Podcast is excited to host Ronke Majekodunmi on this episode. Cyronne Counts, Director of Programs at Women In Product, has a conversation with Ronke about how she got her start in the Product space and how the WIP community has influenced her career path.
The two discuss the importance of representation within the Product and what makes Ronke passionate about sharing her wisdom and experiences with beginning product managers. Ronke has contributed amazing resources via our Resource Hub and maintains her own blog and podcast to share her learnings.
p.s. You can read Ronke’s blog post about imposter syndrome on our Resource Hub!
Take a look at and submit to our Resource Hub here: https://bit.ly/3DiNiTL

Episode 6: A Moonshot with Jasmine Lawrence
Could you imagine starting your company at the age of 13? Well, that’s what our guest Jasmine Lawrence did, and she’s almost at the 20 year anniversary of her natural hair and body care products company. This ability to drive her own path pushed her to step into a product management role right out of college.
Jasmine and WIP podcast host, Elizabeth Ames, explore Jasmine’s work history from robotics to entrepreneurship to hardware and back to robotics. Her experience in these various spaces of tech was driven by an authentic desire to take on these new roles, despite the challenges of linking a career path that isn’t traditionally linear. She even shares the framework she uses to manage her (very full) personal and professional life.
Bonus: Jasmine shares her tip to entering the PM field from a different area!

Episode 5: Purposeful Product Management with Prashanthi Ravanavarapu
Life can sometimes feel like it’s divided between the personal and the professional, but this week’s guest Prashanthi Ravanavarapu explains how she fused the two while entering PM roles.
Prashanthi’s awareness of systemic inequality and dedication to inclusive work brought her to reframe what “leveling the playing field” means for Product. The result was the creation of justice by design, something that calls individuals to go beyond simply being inclusive and instead offering more tools to those who are disadvantaged.
Find Inclusive Product Design Resources here: https://bit.ly/3qhoqsv
Share your favorite inclusive product resources with WIP here: https://bit.ly/3hlnwGn

Episode 4: Building Community with Stacey Feero
Founder of Women In Product’s Toronto Chapter — Stacey Feero — joins on this episode. Stacey shares the story of how she found her way into tech and later joined the world of Product. Spoiler alert: she created a community of people and sponsors to support her journey.
Although Stacy realizes the importance of interpersonal connections, she’s also a self-proclaimed bad networker. She and host, Elizabeth Ames, consider how to network while being an introvert. Listen to gain some tips on balancing networking to support yourself and others.

Episode 3: Connecting With Executive Recruiters with Anna Auerbach and Michaëlle Gocko
Our host Elizabeth Ames had the pleasure to speak with not one but two accomplished women this week! Elizabeth is joined by Anna Auerbach and Michaëlle Gocko from Egon Zehnder who work in executive search. The two share the “sparks of potential” they find makes a great candidate and a few tips on how to help position oneself for their next role and advance to the executive level.
Their focus on product leadership is fueled by the emergence of product management in every industry and recognizing that product leadership is now a viable pathway to the C suite including CEO. Listen in to enjoy their conversation on what the future holds for the burgeoning space of product management and the work they are doing to define success in product roles.
Michaëlle Gocko will also join our Product Blender on October 14!
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 2: Discovering Product with Kasha Stewart
Did you know that 93% of people working in product have professional backgrounds in other industries? Today’s guest Kasha Stewart joined the PM world with a post-production background and studies in fine art.
For Kasha, building her career as someone with a unique professional experience and voice proved a lonely challenge at times. Even in these hard moments, she found the strength and persistence to continue growing and learning within her role.
We are constantly inspired by Kasha’s drive and ability to craft her career on her own terms. Curious to know how she does it? Tune in to hear her story, tips on building teams that work, and some career-progressing inspiration.
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

Episode 1: Finding The Path Forward with Deb Liu
This episode, Deb Liu reveals what made her love her first PM job and how she advanced her career in an industry that was brand new. Deb shares how she “stumbled” into product management, at a time when she had no clear vision for her career and when the world of PM was very different from its current state.
She went from not knowing anything about product management to one of the biggest names in product years later. Want to know how she did it? Well — trusting her gut and leveraging a strong community of sponsors and mentors. Still want more? Subscribe to Deb’s Substack to pick her brain and learn from the lessons she notes: https://bit.ly/DebLiu-Perspectives
Bonus: Listen to learn what Deb looks for when interviewing a potential PM!
Don’t forget to follow Women In Product Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and Twitter to connect with a community of 30,000+ women PMs.

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