World of Wisdom

Ariana Alexander-Sefre co-founder and CEO of Spoke a mental wellness app focused on working with music as a path towards mental resilience. We address the topic of the parts of the demography that a coach, yoga teacher or wellness program will never reach, the power of music to shift, move and transport us. We also speak of the power of melancholy and how music can be an important part in gaining new perspectives. Spoke is working globally with their app and methodology and is committed to push the research front in parallell. This is an important conversation with large implications for those of us committed to large systems change. Host Amit Paul

Indy Johar at Dark Matter Labs address some of our most pressing planetary needs and we talk about their work. This is a fascinating conversation where we touch upon objects, our relationships to them and how that is important to rethink bureaucracy to and allow it to harness our increased computational capacity. We also talk about ownership and for pathways towards custodianship, how we can orient towards letting life find a way, how work could be part of liberating us in the new paradigm, why direct redistribution is most likely not the path forward and why all of this fundamentally is an invitation to rethink what it means to be human. This is a mind blowing conversation. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Lennart Hennig (LinkedIn) founder of the Institute for collective development and co-founder of Alma de Solo visited the podcast. We talk about regeneration of the land. The cycle of life as growth, sustenance and decay and how our current moment is so enamoured with the growth part, to the detriment to everything around us. We speak of attention and how it is such an important variable, and how the current epidemic of mental health crisis could be more than just a crisis, perhaps there are adaptive aspects to it given the society we live in? We speak about the energy of helping and fixing and we speak about diversity. To connect with Lennart and to support his work visit the links above. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Stefan Engeseth is the dyslectic that became a researcher and author. We talk about Stefan's concept Sharkonomics. What humans and corporations can learn from sharks in thinking about particularly business and business strategy. Our conversation is wide ranging and we explore several different concepts from Stefans books as well as what happens when we start considering time in longer cycles than just with a mere 'human' lens. Enjoy this conversation! To connect with Stefan check out either the links above or his LinkedIn. Host: Amit Paul

Alexander Crawford and Ylva Björnberg visit the podcast for a deep dive. Both Ylva and Alexander are deeply involved with the transformation of society and are recovering futurists. This conversation introduces a concept they have been developing and gives a first taste of what they call conversation 1 and conversation 2. Conversation 2 is what is needed by some for us as a society to start being able to shift out of the grid lock of the current global logic. This is part 2 of our conversation that we ended up re-recording post IPCCs updated report and the release of Chat-GPT4. We speak about language, Bretton Woods, Silence, Push and pull, institutions and much more. Come along!

Alexander Crawford and Ylva Björnberg visit the podcast for a deep dive. Both Ylva and Alexander are deeply involved with the transformation of society and are recovering futurists. This conversation introduces a concept they have been developing and gives a first taste of what they call conversation 1 and conversation 2. Conversation 2 is what is needed by some for us as a society to start being able to shift out of the grid lock of the current global logic. We cover a few of the fundamental moves in this conversation. Like the ladder of awareness by Paul Chifurka and Donatella Meadows framework on places to interveine in a system. This is the first part of the conversation and next week we'll lean further in, it ends right when we took a break (that ended up being some 7 weeks in clock time). We'll pick it up again next episode. Come along!

This is a special episode. It is an experiment into what is called collective presencing in some circles, emergent dialogue in others and probably goes by other names as well. This practice is something Amit has been involved with for some years now and invited two masters. Sam Hinds (twitter) and Cheryl Hsu (webpage). This is our first conversation together and we explore our field, it is a rich deep exploration that might require a measure of patience to get through but the reason I'm putting it out on the channel is because I believe you will be enriched by the experience. This is also how conversations can be.

We touch upon how cells in a limb growing back knows when to stop growing, what death enables, what it is like to be eaten, models that are worth engaging with for their beauty and the longing for participation. Of course there is much more to this conversation. Do you dare to take a leap of faith and leap in? Host: Amit Paul

This is my 3rd solo episode. Feeling called to think out loud. I do touch upon the masculine and the feminine principles and the work I've been doing with Eric Lichtman on the topic of 'dissolving the cage' (not making it dissapear mind). I touch upon the concepts of openness that could also be called faith and compassion and why that is so crucial. I speak about consequences. Nested timelines and the inherently hopeful prospect that simultaneously ongoing crisis might afford us. I speak of feelings as portals into remember and in(-)formation. And I discover a part of what whatever it is that I'm doing on this podcast have to do with Socrates. If you want the links to the number of episodes I point to or find the writing I've done on some of the topics I bring up here check out amitpaul.substack.com. 

Brilliant Lene Rachel Andersen came on the podcast and we spoke about Bildung. Lene is the author of The Nordic Secret and several other books and is deeply engaged in the topic of creating a future worth living in for all of us. This particular conversation circle around the topic of bildung, its necessary and sufficient conditions, what it actually was, what the history of it was and how it relates to the concept of 'adult development' as defined by the developmental psychologists and their stage theories. An excellent review of the topic as well as a some conducive directions for those of us thinking about where we can go next as a society. If you want to connect: Nordic Bildung, LinkedIn, Global buildung network. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Helena Norberg-Hodge is the linguist and one of the wisdom keepers and originators of the regenerative movement that through her experiences in Ladakh many decades ago discovered the cracks of the conventional story of industrialisation = progress.  We revisit that story, and we talk about those cracks. Helena gives her perspective on the current economic paradigm and why this logic is in many ways, most ways actually in opposition to the logic of life. Helena has developed the Economics of Happiness and is also a center figure in the budding localisation movement. To find out more and to support Local futures visit their webpage. Until then enjoy the podcast! Host: Amit Paul

Eugenio Molini (webpage, LinkedIn) has worked with organisational transformation with 100s of organisation all over Europe for the last 30+ years. He shares his wisdom on do's and don'ts as well as some very clear rules of thumb. Like why minimal structures are the way to go, that there is no such thing as perfect - always strive for sufficient. Why focusing on peoples actions and a common target is an way to actually get culture and people to shift - without coersion. We also speak of the different types of organisational transformation that one has access to and why it is useful to have the Dunbar sequence in mind when leading or growing an organisation, and perhaps even reorganising one. This is a very useful conversation for anyone that has anything to do with change work. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Gita Rajan is the head of clinic and research and the founder of WONSA (World of No Sexual Abuse). I took her out of the comfort zone to some degree a little bit trying to talk about complexity. Then we explored the different aspects of the human condition and truma. We talk about control, stealing - taking what is not yours, what it means to be truly interdependent, part of the world (as opposed to separate from it). We also spoke of war, separation and transformation. The basic principle that ever living being is ready to transform - and we need to ask for consent prior to transforming someone or something. This is a true exploration. A true dive into uncertainty and one of those conversations that have really rearranged my system since. On a side note: WONSA needs more funding for their important work, if you can contribute please do. Their work is so important. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul 

Dada Shambushivananda (LinkedIn) is the Chancellor of the Global Neohumanist Education (Gurukul) and has dedidcated himself to the movement called Ananda Marga. Dada was born in India and graduated from Wharton school of Business before returning to monastic life and dedicating himself to inner and outer peace in the world. Dada is the author of several books like Thoughts for a new era and his latest book Towards a brighter future. This conversation circle around human potential and what becomes possible when we lean into the spiritual aspects of our human potential. What is the limit to how much a kindergarten child can learn? What is important to consider in a learning environment? What does it mean to control your mind? What should we consider going forward for those of us that long for a regenerative future? Host: Amit Paul.

Amit and Nils take a look into the RCO as it stands right now. The RCO is an organisational model aiming to bring business into relationship with the rest of the world, an undertaking crucial to create the conditions for a regenerative paradigm. The RCO stands for the Regenerative Community Organism and the first one is just filing it's registration documents with the Swedish authorities. This entire episode is a little meta since Nils is interviewing Amit on the topic in an episode that will also be posted as part of the soon to be released Meaningful Work Podcast. If you want to find out more check out the RCO deck or reach out to Amit or Nils. Enjoy! 

Thomas Herrmann (LinkedIn) is a facilitator for more than 25 years in various co-creative methodologies in particular Open Space Technology and lately also bringing the decision methodology five to fold to the world. He's worked across contexts from public organisations like hospitals to companies and associations. With spaces as small as 5 people and as large as 700. This is an excellent, hands-on primer for the curious to start understanding the possibilities of these topics. In a larger perspective we discussed the importance of structure in complex problem solving, the possibilities and affordances of collective intelligence and decision making, why empowerment will surprise and surpass your wildest expectations of what is possible - if you are willing to surrender. This is hands on with immense implications. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul.

Leif Edvinsson is a Swedish organizational theorist, Professor at the University of Lund in Sweden and consultant, known for his work on intangible forms of capital, specifically intellectual capital and knowledge management. This conversation with Leif is a trip into a different way of engaging with the world. Leif says early on in the podcast that he learned to think at Berkley, CA and that the invitation was often to turn everything upside down. That's what we are doing here. We enter the usually dull world of accounting and intangible assets and start looking at how we can use the practice not for controlling and taking stock but rather for quantifying potential. It is truly mindboggling when you let some of these concepts sink in.

We speak of spiritual capital, intellectual capital, alternative cost, potential, future forecasting, experimentation, living labs, entrepreneurship as creation in the spaces, why piles of shit was a good measure of future wealth on the farm and what happens when you realise that the main value of the tree is in the roots not in the parts you see. This conversation is truly exciting. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Joel Tickner is a professor Umass Lowell and founder of the Green Chemistry and Commerce Council (GC3). This conversation revolve around Chemicals in the products we use in our everyday life. Why chemicals are so ever present? To what extent and how should we worry about them and what can we do as consumers to take care? We speak about why chemicals-free is probably not a possible vision. What the difference is between synthetic and natural and what it means with regards to safety. We speak about risk and hazard, ways to think about chemicals and much more. This is a really hands on, useful conversation for those worried or curious about chemistry in our world today and why they are in our world in the first place as well as how we need to change our practices to get to something that looks like sustainable or green chemistry. Host: Amit Paul

Pella Thiel (LinkedIn, webpage) is the institutional activist and farmer that is focused on getting ecocide legislation into the ICC at the Hague. Support their work at Stop Ecocide. We talked about ecocide law and why it is potentially so elegant and powerful. We also talked about what direction ecocide law points us in with regards to our state as a human species or as a part of the whole earth's ecosystem. We spoke about the importance of loving what is already here and the power of the institutions and the system that we have built that we now need to transform. We spoke about the value that we can find in relationships and what happens when we dare to localise our value - shifting our gravity of value closer, to biking distance even. This is such a hands on, humane and warm conversation that I'd recommend anyone to listen to it regardless of if you need a pick me up or if you are a budding activist and need a different way of changing the system than chaining yourself to a tree. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Maria 'Decida' Wahlberg is the co-founder of Transponder where she works with transformation of culture in companies and society at large. She is a creative, dancer and choreographer turned systems thinker. To find out more about her check out her webpage. In this conversation we look at what it is to come home, what pop music has to teach us about culture change and transformation. What it means to be deracinated and put into a different culture, what it means to find a new home in a subculture, what movement and constellations has to teach us about complexity and much more. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Daniel Christian Wahl is one of the motors and originators of the regenerative design trend that is really picking up speed now. We speak about a number of topics like: of coming home, what regenerative actually is, what would be a better topic than carbon dioxide to work on (water cycle). why it is important to leave the antroposcene behind as it might further be deepening our pathology of separation. How it is that we can integrate indigenous perspectives and world views in a more constructive way? Why our current state of technology development is also just kids stuff and not necessarily the pinnacle of what homo sapiens have achieved. This conversation is a peek into the world of the regenerative with one of it's wisdom keepers. It is a diverse, grounded and truly human. To find out more about Daniel Christian Wahl visit his webpage, his medium or his youtube channel. Host Amit Paul

Alexander Whitley is a British renowned choreographer trained in classical ballet that has formed his own company and is working and exploring the topics of our current moment, consciousness and our interaction with technology. We speak of the potential for us to process complexity through other languages than the spoke word. What happens, what shifts and what becomes possible through the implicit? That which contains lots of room for interpretation? We also speak of what is the nature of the relationship of art and what does it mean to have to fund art (to make contributions visit the company's webpage) as well as new formats for dance and art (check that out on the website too). Wonderfully rich and deep conversation in words but addressing something else altogether with an invitation to look at dance through the lens of a dancer. Enjoy. Host Amit Paul

Joshua Haynes (twitter) a nurture capitalist (not venture capitalist) and director of the investment fund Masawa where they have reimagined capital and investing, building an ecosystem and looking out for people that build ventures to address our mental health challenges. This was an exciting conversation and some of the questions that Joshua poses like: power for what and what does an ideal system look like when belonging is universal? We also speak of the world of aid as part of Joshuas background in SIDA and USAID. Why his current ventures might have some traces of inspiration from the micro finance industry. And we speak on the topic of whether money has a soul? Wonderful wide ranging conversation. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Marco Valente (LinkedIn, Twitter) is a sustainability practicioner and a facilitator. He's way of speaking into and navigating complexity are wonderfully rich. Marco shares some of his thinking on a wide range of topics. We speak about epistemic humility: how do we get to see the world through which lens? Loops of learning and Marcos decision diary. Wicked learning environments and how to navigate them. What do we do in the face of radical uncertainty? What does it mean to set a minimum set of rules or minimum specifications? What is the replication crisis and why does it not warrant for disbelief in science? What is the paradox embedded in evidence based decision making? Wonderfully rich conversation on how we get to know our world. Host: Amit Paul

Maria Selting from the Unbox your world podcast came on. She is a futurist and a technologist having spent time in a couple of hyper growth start-ups. She is now a speaker and podcaster focusing on what's next in the world. Discussing her article titled 5 mental shifts to thrive in the future of work. This is a fun exploration around the times we are standing in and a meeting of paradigms. The conversation cover the 5 shifts and it was a privilege to weed out and untangle similarities and differences in our way of thinking. The 5 points are useful as a backbone to structure one's capacity building regarding the times that we are in. Here is the deeper explanation of the concept of anti-fragility that Maria points to in the conversation.  If you want to book Maria as a speaker. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Ria Baeck is a psychologist and a member of the Art of Hosting community. She has worked with organisations as large as the EU as well as many companies in "untying the knots" that are keeping people from fulfilling their full potential. Ria has been experimenting with collective presence (or wisdom) for a long time. In fact she wrote the book on collective presencing (excellent resource). Her experiments with the "magic in the middle" has taken her into a journey of remembering and exploration of many years. And the exploration has some profound implications for those of us interested in transformative work. This conversation focus on the collective presencing, we speak of individual and collective stuckness and how we can bring flow (or life) back when that happens. And focus especially on how to cultivate a culture of interdependence. I personally believe this is an important one for those engaging in transformative work. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

If you are curious about collective presencing you can also check out the STOA for the open sessions that they offer.

Hans Hassle who describes himself as half buddist monk, half business man. He has spent much of his life in business trying to change business. The fundamental values of business particularly. We speak about the companisation that is the invention he made to put the limited company back into relationship with the rest of the world. We also dug deeper and spoke about value, responsibility and ended exploring how it is that we are willing to give up almost anything for money. Is it so that money has a soul? This was a wonderful, rich conversation. If you want to get in touch with Hans, check out his LinkedIn. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Klaus Schenck is a coach and organisational consultant that has dived deep into the world of agile. This conversation uses Agile as a point of departure to go into our current perdicament in the world. We touch upon Scrum, Kanban, DevOps, standardisation, measurement as well as the basic pilars of flow of value and respect for people and what they mean. We talk quite about the relationship between parts and the whole and optimisation. Theory of constraints, complexity navigation, trial and error, solutions focus etc. are other frameworks and ideas we touch upon. It is an incredibly rich conversation with a wonderfully empathic, knowledgable and curious person. If you want to reach out to Klaus visit his webpage or look at some of his articles. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Anders Varger is the school teacher and entrepreneur that realised that it's possible to change societies. Even if you are just an individual. We speak about his project to build regenerative neighbourhoods through his organisation Hubville and his work to bring in youth and elderly into the discussions around how we build our society through Framtidens röster. We also speak about not knowing as a leader. What it means to be on the pragmatic edge. Scaling down and deep, figuring out what you are really doing and how really move things along and a lot more. This is a grounded, concrete, hands on discussion about the craft of driving societal change. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Nate Hagens is the host of the podcast the great simplification that has blown up as a dire and well researched lense to our current predicament as a species. The podcast is a must listen for anyone trying to make sense of our wold that takes a trans-disciplinary lens on our challenges. From economy to biology, chemistry and physics. If you are new to the topic take a look at the animated shorts that will give you a nice overview of this frame. Or dive into the youtube channel right away.

This conversation is timely and somber. And yet it contains hope. The frame of a this being a story of a species finding a huge amount of fossile carbon and throwing a 2 century party and the need to now gently come off it sums it up in one way. The take away that both Nate and Amit, both spending quite some time in existential risk frameworks, have the feeling that the understanding of the times we are in create some sort of agency and a different focus altogether. Nate took a break form his touring the world and speaking to governments about the last 20 years of his work to record this. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Dr Joey Weber is the author of Why mindfulness is not enough. He worked out a definition of equanimity and also a protocol for being able to measure and cultivate equanimity during his PhD. Joey is now giving 6 week courses in mindfulness (next one starting october 2nd 2022, and then restarting every 6 weeks). This conversation about equanimity, feeling, how to put mindfulness to use. Joey is liberatingly opinionated and passionate about the subject. To find out more check out Joeys Webpage, LinkedIn or Instagram. Enjoy.

Amit Paul talks into a couple of things he's been considering lately weaving previous episodes, learnings and perspectives. He covers knowing, the importance of it and its relationship with arrogance, maps as an important part of navigating and what they are - also invoking some care in our relating to them both in terms of the map makers intended and unintended purposes. The power principle and our current moments relationship to power and how it is an innate part of our biology - to be pulled towards power. He also talks about the concepts of intention and extension and how that paring may make us suceptible for capture. And wrapping up: how can we invite people to move from a place of not knowing - from a caring, circular, end-less paradigm, what does that look like? (If you want to connect with Amit, Linked in or his webpage are the places to go) Enjoy! 

Chis Cassillias is a fellow curious who is currently working with the non-profit Regenerating Sonora. (if you're interested to contribute they are also here on Giveth.io). This is a rich conversation and we cover a number of topics. Everything circling around the topic of regeneration. Chris shares his framework of will, being and fucntion. We speak of the importance of culture before strategy, the risk of over formalising, finding the right time scales, the framework of assessing work on vitality, viability and evolutionary capability, how regenerating soil is not a ideological practice. We also speak of scales from neighbourhoods to bioregions to biocultural corridors and we speak of the goddess of necessity as well as technology. But most of all, the question that is reverberating with me is: Imagine that it's the day after armageddon - what do you do? Now go do that. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul

Tomas Björkman is a former banker and philantrophist. Tomas has been involved and funded a number of projects with the purpose of taking us through the current societal transformation. Examples are 29k, the Inner Development Goals, Perspectiva and Emerge. Tomas has also release his book The World We Create as a Youtube series. This conversation stems from a deep care and circles the topic of instrumentality. It is a deep curiosity around movement building and concern for the current direction we are facing as a society that is the base line. Host: Amit Paul. Enjoy!

Mark Leonard the director of Mindfulness Connected - one of the first clinically proven social mindfulness protocols in Europe. It's a wonderful conversation that touches upon activism, the importance of and the consequences of the surrender, how simple it really is - share and care. What happens when we are in opposition even in order to achieve that which is good. The forgotten part of the heroes journey - the return home. Resources to get in touch: Mindfulness Connected, Social Mindfulness in Italy Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Thomas Bruhn is working at the IASS at the Potsdam Institute a physicist and facilitator with interests around consciousness, sustainability and how we can transform our world into a more regenerative direction. In this conversation we speak about ego, being in service and the balance between channeling ones power and taking that responsibility versus to shirk away from it and how that influence our possibility to be effective in the world. If you are curious about what Thomas is up to you can find him at the IASS webpage or check out his project A mindset for the anthropocene - place where you can "find the others". Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

This is a special episode. I get to bring on Raz Kennedy a vocal coach I worked with some 20 years ago when I was in the music business that showed me what letting go really was. Raz Kennedy (website link) has been in the music business for his entire life, initially through his mom but then for most of his professional life. Teresa Kali Stark (fb page) is a singer and vocal coach who's worked with some of the most acclaimed Swedish jazz artists among a number of others. We speak about the healing power of song and music. What it can teach us about surrender and non-judgement. How it heals. We also speak about the teacher and the role of the teacher and what it means to know and what it means to teach out of curiosity. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

This episode is a (first) solo episode by Amit. Reflecting on the themes and topics that have been present in the podcast and perhaps exploring or highlighting some particular curiosities of his going forward. Part reflection, summation, part direction, curiosity. The episode touches upon the topics of the life centric approach - to move in the world in a way that affords more life. How this relates to the concept of centres and fields and interdependence - where is the edge of a lake, or a deer for that matter? I also touch on hyperobjects and living in the time of them - how there is no longer the luxury that we once imagined was called 'away'. I touch on the masculine and the feminine and however useful the collective mapmaking, characterisation is they are irrelevant as sensemaking of individuals, it's more complex than that. Finally I bring all of that into the story of sustainability we are currently living and how our life story sofar condition us to see and generate the world each and everyone of us are living into. Hopefully this inspire you, I certainly had fun flowing on these topics and was able to discover and connect a couple of things I had not quite seen like this before. Wanna get in touch and continue the conversation or work with me as an advisor or coach? Check out my webpage, it's almost up to date. Enjoy.

Joe Brewer a man who barely needs introduction by now visited the podcast. If you have not heard of him check out Earth Regenerators or the book Joe co-authored with the community. This conversation is so valuable. We speak about urgency and earth regeneration - not in the normal way, as if our house is on fire but rather the desire that regeneration creates in us. We speak of why humans should stay around, of knowing, of arrogance and of sovereignty. This is a beautiful connecting of dots between the inner and outer perspectives and why they are so deeply related. I think the conversation is both timely and important. Joe speaks of Prosocial World towards the end of the podcast - go find the others there too. Enjoy!  

Andre Whitley has spent a bigger part of his life advocating for healthier food and food systems. Particularly focusing on sour dough bread. He is running two projects: Bread Matters and Scotland the Bread currently. Andrew takes on a journey from bread through Russian literature studies right through the heart of our sustainability crisis, a profound critique of our current relationship to technology as it stands and some clear sighted insights about deconstructive science and the illusion that we know how our world works. To discover the world through a loaf of bread would be an alternative title to this episode this rich conversation touched on so many important topics. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

Ann-Sofie Forsmark (LinkedIn and her wepage) entrepreneur, coach and ultra marathon runner came on the podcast to talk about the current state of work. What is the point of keeping track of your personal purpose? What is the place for purpose in business? What is this idea that not all of us are interested in our well-being? We also look at the topic of work life balance and the workplace as a hyperobject. As well as the idea of all work having the potential of being meaningful - without us having to spin a grand, heroic narrative around it. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

This conversation with Lawrence Kampf (more on Lawrence check out his webpage) was a rich, slow exploration. Rich in content and exploration. We talk about what the theatre and showmanship has to show us in our lives, creative containers and their potential for transformation, the negative space as in the unseen as well as that which is hidden. We also touch upon quite a few different ways of discovering attention as superpower of orientation. Lawrence has had a career as a theatre consultant for big shows like Cirque de Soleil and the Lion King. He is now a transformative coach and works with companies, leaders and leadership teams through the Nova Earth Institute (visit the page to find out more). Enjoy!

Philosopher Raven Connolly is the guest on the podcast. Raven has explored the dark feminine and psychological diagnosis and their connection to the moment we are currently in. This conversation is exploring the pattern of extraction we are in through the lens of the dark feminine and masculine forces. We play between the systemic and the deeply personal as well as the internpersonal but fundamentally we are talking about all of this world we are living in. There are many layers to this exploration. If you want more of Raven you can find her on twitter here.

Cadell Last is a philosopher exploring the curiosities of humanity. You can find out more about him at his webpage, his youtube channel. If you're listening to this in summer of 2022 he's also launching an online course on Thus spoke Zarathustra (Philosophy portal). This conversation is a walk though of the negative principle where we explore what it and our blindness to it has to tell us about what we see in the world today. We also slip into the topic of the libidinal economy - that our sexuality seeps into our economies, both those aspects we desire and what we try to not look at. It is an exercise of grounding philosophy and looking at how the big ideas move us in the world. We also touch on the masculine and the feminine and what possibility an integrated negative holds for those energies. Enjoy!

Thomas Hahn is an economist, activist and transformer of systems. He is running several projects that revolves around his invention the Regenerative Coop. To find out more or join the movement, check out his webpage and or find him on LinkedIn This conversation revolves around creating a regenerative economy, leveraging the system we have built and putting the earth on the balance sheet. We speak about what interacting with dead things like technology and money vs interacting with things that are alive do for and to us as humans. Thomas is passionate about this topic to say the least. Enjoy the conversation!

Pamela von Sabljar is a different breed of facilitator and a fellow explorer of this shift we're in. Her most recent masterclass is actually called "Facilitating the shift". She works as a radical facilitator and coach, contexts where you might have come across her most recently is at Rebel Wisdom, the STOA, Emerge, Nordic Womens Gathering. For more background take a listen to EP 104 for an exploration on the masculine and feminine principles. Or visit her webpage (I can personally vouch for the Facilitating The Shift master class). This episode is quite different. It is an exploration of eros or life force. It is an experiment in a practice Pamela is a wisdom keeper of and a practice Amit has been engaging with. It is an invitation to a creative space, a practice of speaking when spoken through, an energy or perhaps a transmission. We explore Eros, why it seems to both of us that she will be a key piece in this shift we're in and we try to discern some key aspects for unlocking her potential, especially in areas where our current moment might be confused. The content is important but perhaps more so the space this episode comes from. I'm really curious about how it comes alive in you? 

In this episode Amit and Stefan explore the question of liminality and their experience of it. The guiding question is how liminal are our times, really? Stefan was on the podcast with Nils back in Episode 60 and if you want to find out more about him visit his webpage Human stories. This exploration flies high at times but it's also grounded. We speak of liminality in form of the gardener and the contextual aspects of gardening, how it's not necessarily a peaceful activity. We speak of parenting and the implication of the pending ecosystems collapse and the signs thereof in our immediate surroundings and the pain that causes. And we point to the simple truth that context matters, always. If you are trying to build something, grow something or survive that and those around you are an integral part of your potential. This exploration was embodied, probing fun. Enjoy.

Ronen Hirsch is a polymath who's spent the last couple of decades in retreat and deep practice. Check out his webpage to find out more about him. This conversation is a first in an intent to do more on the topic with Ronen. We come together to explore how we can actually meaningfully create regenerative conditions here on earth. We take a look at the work that Ronen has been doing in discovering a generative sequence for 'crewing'. We dig into Christopher Alexanders work and we circle the topic of what meaningful work looks like - and what we need to do to get there. This is one of the most potent and powerful conversation I've hosted on the podcast to this date. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

In this episode I speak to Pam Pence. Pam works with the challenging topic of educating on population and over population. This is a topic that I've (Amit) personally has been struggling with as it tends to lead me astray but this is a beautiful practice in staying in that which hurts. It is an initiation (not an easy one) for those that tend to shy away from the topic of the ongoing ecosystem and system collaps. We speak about empowerment, of the choice to procreate, deriving meaning from our children, that it's ok to opt out from the "normal" nuclear family and much more. Some of the resources Pam mentions in our conversation: A new republic of the heart and Global footprint network. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

Diego Galafassi is an artist and scientist that has spent is career weaving in and out of different contexts. You can find more of his work on his webpage or reach out to him on twitter. Diego has also worked with so called emerging technologies like VR and AR - you can find out more about the project Breathe here - it is study in our interconnectedness with each other and the atmosphere. Or the project Arts for Transformations. This conversation really moved me. It is a study of the world from a different perspective. A deep passion of knowing, of inclusion and of moving the world towards a regenerative future. I perceive Diego to be a bridge builder and this conversation shows that. It covers all of that which is in the title and much more. And it's just a jumping off point. Enjoy! 

Jascha Rohr is a philosopher and chair of the Co-creation foundation based in Germany. This episods dives deep into the ins and outs of co-creation. We talk about the design principles and perspective of co-creation. Touching on Jaschas perspective and more than 25 years of experience in this field. How his craft as an instrument makers and the experience in permaculture design has influenced him in the work. His passion for tool making and shifting focus to generative sequences. And of course how is it that the statement that co-creation cannot fail could possibly be true? If you want to reach out to Jascha, take a training or learn more about co-creation visit the Co-Creation Foundation's website. Host: Amit Paul   

Elin Bergman was called the circularity queen of Sweden in a podcast a title that stuck. Elin and I get to lean in to the challenging questions of how we become Circular. This is a conversation of different perspectives and starting points and Elins view and optimism is inspiring. We speak of plastics as a tool in our toolbox, the Ellen MacArthur foundation work on technical and organic cycles in circularity and how we can think about solutions in different spheres, we speak of course about the connection between the inner and outer - when we need something, how do we know what we need? And the importance of role models where Elin is most certainly one of the more inspirational and forceful examples of this. Here are some links and resources mentioned in the episode: Cradlenet, Nordic circular hotspot, Nordic circular arena, Ellen MacArthur Foundation's Youtube. We also talk about the Circular Gap report that had not yet come out at the time of the recording for this episode... Elin was right we are between Norway and the Netherlands with 3.4 % circularity - significantly less than we hoped for. The Netherlands are up to >22% in this final report - there are ways to go! Enjoy the conversation. Host: Amit Paul

This week I connect with Legacy17 founder Marilyn Mehlmann. Marilyn is a lifelong activist with a dedication towards empowerment. She has spent her life in service of social and environmental challenges. As always the conversation is wide ranging and covering a number of topics. Co-creation, activism and curiosity, empowerment, the state of the world and the transformation we standing in front of. And we explore the principle of abilie: giving people what they need as long as it doesn't hurt me, you or anyone else. To get engaged, or to access the resources Marilyn refers to visit the Legacy17 webpage. This conversation was recorded in the days after the beginning of the Russian war in Ukraine 2022.

Jeremy D Johnson is a writer, scholar and podcast host. He is an integral scholar on Gebser and hosts the excellent podcast Mutations. You can find Jeremy's writing on mutations.blog. Or get in touch on Twitter or Patreon. This conversation is a deep dive into 'development', progress and liminality. We situate our current moment and then jump off the deep end. It was rich! We speak of progress, what the integral/developmental theorists (Gebser in particular) predicted through their work. We speak about technology, dance and ponder what omni-directional progress could look like. Especially if it's folded back into relationship with the biosphere. And Jeremy brings the radical and exciting idea of decentering progress - don't quite get what it means? Take a listen. Enjoy! Host Amit. Recorded on 21st of February 2022.

Robert Gilman is the physicist turned philosopher who dedicated his life to the intersection of inner and outer development. He is the founder of Bright Future Now and Bright future network (to find out more). Robert was the resident philosopher at the STOA in the end of 2021 and is a frequent voice in sensemaking circles. The conversation ranged from understanding our current moment, to trauma and to how we can use an understanding of (our own) psychodynamics to become more efficient change makers and community builders. We discuss the challenges we face and we get a glimmer of hope when considering phase shifts and exponential processes. Host: Amit Paul

If you want to connect with Thomas and Elizabeth you can visit: One world in dialogue to find out more about Emergent Dialogue and engage. To learn more about the rest of their work check out their podcast Radio Evolve or visit Evolve World. Also an upcoming course (in 2022) at Life itself (more info on the link).

Fanny Norlin supports leaders, teams and business to unleash the creative potential in the dance between the masculine and the feminine. We explore her framework for thinking about these energies. This is an unconventional but useful and very practical conversation on the topic. We touch upon the basic definitions, how to understand them, what we're leaving on the table when we are not engaging with these energies. The potential is there regardless of if it is within business or in systems transformation. To work with Fanny either in your business, as a coach or a speaker take a look at her webpage (Take a look at EP120 with Tom Nixon - to get more inspiration for a start up context)

Dr Tania Singer is the guest of the podcast. Tania is a renowned social neuroscientist and psychologist especially focused on empathy and compassion. She is bridge builder between different scientific fields as well as from East to West. She has applied her frameworks in a wide range of fields such as caring economics, regenerative business, following individuals in Berlin during the course of the pandemic. This discussion ranges far and wide and touches on questions like why it is crucial that we start finding alternatives to the current economical models, what one can do to improve ones mental health, both through mindfulness and through dyadic practices. This touches on a lot of important tools and skills for building the new paradigm. If you are curious about Tania and her work the best place is her webpage, or her landing page at the Max Planck Nurosciencelab. For more info on the CovSocial project. Host: Amit Paul

Hans von Essen the director of BERAS International. He has several decades of experience in transforming food systems on a individual, farm by farm and regional level towards more regenerative practices. He is deeply involved in the budding bio regional movement globally. BERAS has designed a course for individuals passionate about transforming the food systems called "Diet for a green planet" - follow the link to find out more and apply before may 2022. The conversation circulated the topic of food and sustainable development. How should one thing of ones own diet in terms of sustainability? What are the basic principles we should take on board when we are considering eating sustainably and what are the most important priorities? What is the interaction between the system and the individual and where does it make sense to invest time and effort? What are bio-regions and what is going on in the regenerative farming world? This is an excellent primer for novices and potentially a novel perspective for those more involved. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul

This week I got to speak with Tom Nixon. An entrepreneur and the author of the book Work with Source (workwithsource.com). The conversation adressed his work on Source especially in the context of regenerative and decentralised ventures. The work is based on Peter Koeneig's work and it has proven to be of great importance again and again in start-ups. The Source principles is a break away from the not uncommon idea that as we co-create there is no single leader and rather it claims that the actual initiator of the question, gathering or the organisation has a special position. This conversation is exciting and highly useful to get a 10.000 m view of Toms work. If you're curious to know more check out the links in this description. Tom is also the founder and source of maptio.com (a tool for drawing decentralised organisations). If you want to get in touch with him you can either go through tomnixon.co.uk or via twitter: @tomnixon

In this episode I connect with my old friend and fellow curios Patrik Birkhane. Patrik is business graduate and previous communications expert that has decided to step out of the grind and look for his own way. We meet up for a conversation that none of us could have predicted 20 years ago when we met. We speak about our current moment. Our stories. Consciousness. Trauma. Personal development. Life coaching and perspectives around what one could look for in engaging a journey with a coach. It is a wide ranging conversation. If you want to find out more about Patrik his take a look at the yoga studio he runs with his wife, his instagram or his personal webpage.

Marcello Palazzi Impact entrepreneur, economist and visionary for human progress. 35 years global experience focused on Better Economies, Enterprises and Entrepreneurs for public good. Serial entrepreneur of more than 25 successful ventures across the highest levels of business, civil society, finance, government, philanthropy and academia. We speak about regenerative business, the b-corp movement. The concepts and importance bringing of reverence back into business. To find out more about the b-corp movement that is transforming the world of business visit here. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

Jamie Bristow is a long term meditator and the director of the Mindfulness Initiative (UK). The conversation ranges from what mindfulness actually is to how it can be used as a tool for improvement, self-exploration and self-transformation. The mindfulness revolution has swept over the north western hemisphere for some time now - is it over or just beginning? It seems there is much more to discover for the one who dares dip one's toes in. The Mindfulness Initiative work with supporting efforts around improving decision making, politics, policy through offering mindfulness training and research on the topic. Their latest publications address how it can be a tool to combat the climate crisis and for increased wellbeing. If you want to support the work of Jamie's and his colleagues you can donate here. Or if you want to get in touch reach out on Jamies twitter or Mindful Nation.

This is a perspective on the EP116 on the RCO webinar. EP116 maps out the territory and this is starting to give some resolution on motivations, the potential of the RCO and what it is we are hoping to achieve exactly. These are shorter bonus episodes on the topic of the Regenerative Community Organism (RCO). We believe it's important to be able to trace the roots of thoughts and ideas to see how they track in your context. If you're curious please feel free to reach out. 

This is the start of a mini-series of shorter episodes we will post on the channel. They detail the organisational structure called the RCO. It is an exploration into more regenerative organisational forms. It is the result of some 18 months of thinking. The structure is purpose first, it is communal and it has a focus on value distribution and building agency for those participating in the company. The RCO fundamentally sees the limited company as a useful tool for building business and take into account that the company progress through its lifecycle with different needs. What might initially be well served by being strongly driven by a few individuals will over time, if it's successful, be better served if thought about as a commons that is governed by all its stake holders. This recording is from a webinar that Nils and Amit gave on the RCO. The presentation given during the webinar is available here. If you want to get in touch directly because of curiosity, ideas, to start your own or join in reach out to Amit or Nils.

This episode starts out with Sophie Strands poem Fathering is a green slow thing before we get into the conversation. Sophie us an ecological thinker and long form writer dabbling in story as a past time. Her mythic starting point is curious and agile, if there is one thing to be said about it it's that it cannot be pinned down. Sophie has spent a lot of time investigating masculinity with the intention of rewilding it, of letting it expand and sporeulate into a multiplicity of shapes and forms. We also speak about ecologically situated myth, initiation, awe, ecological and continental timescales as well as our current cultural moment. If you get curious you can find out more about Sophie on her webpage as well as her instagram (that I personally follow with great pleasure). Host Amit Paul.

This conversation is with Indra Adnan, psycho social therapist and founder of the Alternative UK. Indra and the Alternative support CAN (Community Action Networks) globally as an alternative or parallel polis to the current political system. One that is vibrant, alive, bottom up and most importantly it's already happening. We speak about the current state of politics, political change from the bottom up, the concept of Ada, technocraty vs humanity, why relationships are primary and the importance of attention. This discussion is wide ranging and points to several design principles for building a movement that can change the world. Indra is also the author of The Politics of Waking up on the topic.

In this episode the podcast has Emma Stenström as a guest. We talk about bubble hopping, the importance of social context for our decision capacity. We also talk a lot about culture and what that makes possible (or impossible) as well as design principles for cultural design. Emma Stenström is an associate professor at Stockholm School of Economics, she teaches and conducts action research as well as runs the NGO "the Fika Project" and writes as a long term columnist for one of the leading business newspapers in Sweden. Enjoy!

Kaa Faensen (LinkedIn or webpage) is a social therapist, facilitator, visual artist and coach who is also working with Fraendi. The conversation is a genuine, emergent exploration into what it is to be a human passionate about humans in a time between times. We venture into care, progress, adult or vertical development, ethics, aesthetics, beauty, embodiment, circular time and beings as well as whether we are fundamentally good or bad. It is one of the most wide ranging, curious and open explorations of the podcast to date for me (Amit). Host: Amit Paul

Aliki Ko runs the initiative Warriors 4 Elements she's spent a lot of her time in and around building spiritual communities. If there is such a term as spiritual entrepreneur it would fit her. This conversation circle around the topic of the 4 capital - financial (earth), spiritual (fire), intellectual (air) and societal (water). How do we invest, collaborate and create value from this premise? We also touch on trust and love as fundamental principles for the new paradigm. Hosts: Amit Paul and Nils Von Heijne 

In this Episode Amit talks to Lasse Lychnell a professor at Stockholm School of Economics, a photographer (Points of Contact), entrepreneur (Being in Business) and human. The topics the conversation touch on circles around trust and acceptance. How we can move from what is rather than what we would like things to be? How we can stay in contact? This episode also contain different language around what patterns actually are too and some tips on how we can move into systems thinking without losing connection or grounding. It is an open, curious and vulnerable exploration into what is. Enjoy

This is a bit of a change of pace. Jonathan Chadwick (who was a guest in EP 101) offered me to think out loud and structure my thoughts which I accepted gladly. The outcome is this open, explorative conversation where I get ot unfold and compost some ideas that can hopefully generate resonance and inspiration in you. Host Jonathan Chadwick. Guest: Amit Paul. If you want to connect with Amit you can find more about him on amitpaul.com. Enjoy.

In this conversation with Giles Hutchins we explore the shift into regenerative leadership. What it is? How do we start our journey into it? And why does it makes sense for all of us to explore it? Giles is an author of several books, latest Regenerative Leadership with Laura Storm, on the topic and he has coached leadership teams in organisations spanning from multinational corporations to start ups . If you wish to seek him out for coaching, courses or otherwise you find him at gileshutchins.com, ffla.co, regenerativeleadership.co, thenatureofbusiness.org. Enjoy! Hosts: Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne.

In this episode we take a deep dive into the actual topic of money with Mar Michelle Häusler. Previously superstar trader and currently working with groups and individual women and their relationship to money. We go through money and identity, (self-) worth, abundance, relationships, receiving. If you want to hear more from Mar Michelle you can find her on social media or at Give Take Lab.

This is the final Stories special sessions for this time. The first ever World of Wisdom Micro gathering on the topic of Money and wealth will start on the 8th of Sept 2021. Feel like exploring your relationship to money/wealth? Come join us at worldfowisdom.io/stories. Host: Amit Paul

This episode explores leadership and organisations in the new paradigm. Victoria Vallström has spent 20 years as a leader in different organisations and have recently taken a deepdive into the science around trust, engagement and motivation in her podcast A bit Curious (https://anchor.fm/abitcurious). To find out more about Victoria and the reading materials we are referring to visit https://www.victoriavallstrom.com/. The conversation ranges far form organisational development, leadership into how this reverberates in society. Enjoy! Hosts: Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne

The conversation is a ramp up to the Word of Wisdom Micro event on Stories: Money/Wealth in September 2021. To find out more and to join check out worldofwisdom.io/stories